How Well Does the Draft Translate to Finding NHL Worthy Players and Making Successful Teams?
Editor's Note: You guys are going draft crazy. Here is another contribution from a Red Wings fan that took no offence whatsoever to daoust's masterful spreadsheet. Do you hear that crazy Wings fans? Stop being so damn sensitive especially if you are going to call Crosby "Crysby". Also, check out The Falconer's post that looks at where stars are born.
Every NHL draft is full of potential. The potential for a team to sign a generational talent; see Sidney Crosby. The potential for a team to find a late round diamond in the rough; see Henrik Zetterberg. The potential for a team to make a monumental franchise altering move; see the Sedin Twins to Vancouver. Or the potential for a team to waste away a golden opportunity; see 1993 # 1 overall Alex Daigle.
Daigle’s case is a perfect example to reference in remembering that not all who are drafted into the NHL are talented enough to play in it, and that draft order may not necessarily reflect talent; see 2002 last overall pick Jonathan Ericsson. Properly assessing talent is not an easy job. If it were, people wouldn’t get paid lots of money for doing it right. However, as both Ericsson and Zetterberg can attest, even professionals get it wrong on a regular basis.
And that’s what got me thinking; what is the current makeup of the league in regards to draft picks and free agents? Does being a high draft pick help your chances of making it to the big stage? Should you prep yourself for a future in the ECHL (Go Toledo Walleyes!) if you’re selected in the 7th round? Just how good at evaluating talent are these scouts and GMs really?
Side note: There is no place I could find, on any of the internets, that let you look at a current NHL roster and see a listing of how those players entered the league; either via the draft or free agency. So my only option for acquiring all the necessary info was to log onto nhl.com and look up players one by one from their teams’ roster pages. Yes, that’s right. I visited all 783 player pages on nhl.com…in one day!! And let me just say, there are some ugly ass professional hockey players.
Without further adieu, the numbers….in pie chart form!
(Data represents official active player rosters from nhl.com on June 17th, 2009)
From the chart you can see that nearly one-third of all current NHL players were selected in the 1st round. When you stretch that out to encompass rounds 2 and 3, you get 55% of all current players. From this it seems that, yes, scouts and GMs are pretty good and seeing NHL caliber talent and drafting accordingly.
But then look again, 45%, or 350 players that have passed the test to become worthy of an NHL roster spot were selected after the third round, or even undrafted all together; nearly 100 players in the NHL today did not garner enough interest at a younger age to be drafted, but grew to prove, through college, juniors, or foreign leagues that they had the chops to play in the NHL.
Side note: Those two current 11th round picks? Nashville’s Scott Nichol: 1993, 272nd overall to Buffalo, and Minnesota’s Kim Johnsson: 1994, 286th overall (that’s dead last!) to NYR. You might remember Johnsson as being part of the Lindros to NYR trade in 2001.
Moving along, a lot of discussion has been made recently (egged on by the masterpiece that is Daoust's Draft Spreadsheet), about whether or not certain teams are good at drafting. It's quite hard to judge a team's drafting prowess based on on-ice performance (the only kind that matters), because no team is made up completely of their own draft picks. Trades are made, players are moved, free agents are signed. It's just not an easy thing to do.
So instead I sought to see if a team made up primarily of high draft picks was also a successful team on the ice. I also examined each team's current roster and calculated their Average Draft Pick (ADP). I calculated ADP by simply summing up the rounds in which each team's players were drafted and divided it by the number of players on that team who were drafted.
I also tallied up the number of free agents on each team to help make comparisons. As you'll soon see, Pittsburgh (the #1 team in the league) has 8 free agents. Whereas, Chicago, a team that finished 3rd in the post-season this year (yes, ahead of Carolina) has no free agents. It's hard to provide a "draft round" for free agents as the talent varies greatly, so I left them out of ADP calculations.
Without further gibberish, the ADP chart o' goodness:
From this chart, no real correlation can be made relating high draft picks to overall team success. Boston, the 2nd best regular season team this year, has the lowest ADP of 4.30 and 1 FA. Whereas the young upstart Blues and Capitals are 1 and 2 in ADP with only 2 FAs apiece.
So is drafting good talent earlier in a draft important? For the league? Yes. For a team? Who knows. But it certainly can't hurt, can it?
Thanks for reading, SkinnyFish.
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Excellent work
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by furcifer on Jun 23, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Side note: There is no place I could find, on any of the internets, that let you look at a current NHL roster and see a listing of how those players entered the league; either via the draft or free agency. So my only option for acquiring all the necessary info was to log onto nhl.com and look up players one by one from their teams’ roster pages. Yes, that’s right. I visited all 783 player pages on nhl.com…in one day!! And let me just say, there are some ugly ass professional hockey players.
NERD ALERT!
No really, though, excellent work. I’m digging Boston being #30 and still doing okay this year. And of course our color commentator was a last overall pick.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dumb question: by “Free Agent” do you mean “never drafted.”
I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest a disproportionate number of players who were drafted in the late rounds or went undrafted and still made the NHL are undersized (Rafalski, St. Louis) or goalies. I wonder if there’s any way to check the data…
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by mf37 on Jun 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Free Agent means they went undrafted and were later signed as a free agent by some team. For instance, take Gustavsson. He was never drafted but this year he’ll enter the league as an FA.
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, here is a chart relating player position to draft position or free agency:
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chart is confusing because it’s proportional within each piece but not from column to column, but I got it after a few seconds. Made round 6 and 9 look like good rounds for goalies. Good info, either way. Thanks!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, thanks!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s. the 5th round sucks for some reason.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either that, or Rounds 6 and 7 are a bit of a statistical anamoly as they only have 1 and 2 less players than Round 4 respectfully. You would have figured that the number of players would have fallen at the same rate as the previous five rounds.
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe fifth round players are more likely to play in other leagues (KHL, SEL, etc) and 6th and 7th are more likely to stick around in the AHL?
That’s my crazy theory, anyhow.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By my math (not a thing to be trusted) 14% of goalies, 14% of D and 12% of forwards went undrafted. Would have guessed the rate of goalies would have been much higher.
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by mf37 on Jun 23, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup. You are dead on.
783 players total
460 Forwards – 59% of league total. 55 Free Agents – 12% of forward total
252 Defense – 32 % of league total. 34 Free Agents – 13.5% of defense total
71 Goalies – 9 % of league total. 10 Free Agents – 14% of goalie total
I also expected more goalies to have been FAs. Who drafts a goalie anyways?
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Tim Thomas was drafted. Fat lotta good it did him back in 1994, sure, but he WAS drafted.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the
“fat” may have been part of the problem…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 23, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but so’s brodeur, and aside from a couple of hilariously bad moments (aka the end of game 7 for…
shit.
nevermind.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't look THAT fat

When he’s getting a Vezina.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PHOTOSHOPPED!
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by blurr1974 on Jun 23, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this one
Half of his brain is going, “Holy shit I just won the Vezina! Thanks to mom and dad and everyone who believed” and the other half is going “HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW, COLORADOOOOOOO”

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 23, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey thanks for the link.
I’m curious as to why the 6th and 7th round fares better than the 5th round. If every NHL team is taking the “best player available” this shouldn’t be the case. My hunch is that teams were taking more over-age Europeans in the 6th 7th—when they really should have been taking them higher than that.
by The Falconer on Jun 23, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking it’s because they do select the “best player available” in the 5th. But then in the 6th and 7th they have their “This guy’s not great now, but he might be really good some day solet’s take a chance on him” pick. Hence we have guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk.
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Detroit knows they’re going to be great, but chooses to wait until the 5th round to draft them.
i know it’s true, I read it on the internet… :P
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by blurr1974 on Jun 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My hunch is that teams were taking more over-age Europeans in the 6th 7th—when they really should have been taking them higher than that.
That seems like a logical thesis.
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by PPP on Jun 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of drafting europeans later. Bob Mckenzie was discussing this guy,
Alexander Avtsin. Plays for a lower level Moscow Dynamo club team. His stats are ridiculous – 56 goals and 110 points in 76 games
as a possible late second, early third rounder. The Leafs have 2 late second round picks right now.
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by furcifer on Jun 23, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSN’s draft board had Toni Rajala at 50, which is the Leafs first 2nd round pick.
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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McKenzie was asked about a guy outside the top 60 who should possibly be ranked higher.
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by furcifer on Jun 23, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair, but as far as I can tell Rajala has slipped from “The Finnish Crosby” to “Leafs 2nd round choice” because he’s small.
He’s still scoring, he’s just small. Crossing my fingers so hard for Rajala, another steal a la Stefanovich.
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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sleza would be pleased.
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by furcifer on Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome work ...
Just goes to show there is no “magic formula” .. You need to get lucky – real lucky – to have a cup contender.
It’s much like a winning TV show .. You need the right script, the right actors, the right directors, the right everything — if 1 element is missing the show bombs.
The same thing applies to building sports teams. It’s all about the right pieces fitting together. Whether these are 1st,2nd,11th round picks or FA’s .. it doesn’t matter… but fun to look at none the less.
by hallandnash on Jun 25, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i joined PPP just to rec this fanpost. (not that i won’t be sticking around!)
awesome job!
by Natty Bumppo on Jun 25, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir.
Welcome to the site.
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for joining. A lot of us are sweating booze right now so give us a day or two to get back up to speed.
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