TSN Reports a Kessel for Kaberle Offer
But the Bruins want our 7th overall as well. Too rich?
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No, not too rich. Totally do it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
Quiet you!
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by leafer1984 on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too funny
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Quiet you!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quiet you!
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by stucky on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NAY
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The vote has been counted. I’m just having fun with this because there’s no way it happens. Either that or Peter Chiarelli is some kind of voodoo mastermind. Still, what happens with the cap is like a train wreck in the middle of an airport and everything is an oil tanker.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
What makes Kessel not worth it?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically handing over your two biggest chips. If it was Kaberle for him sure, but you can’t send both.
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Plus, what happens if you can’t get Kessel signed? Then you’ve given away your best D-man and a high pick in a loaded draft for pretty much nothing.. No, no, nothing about this deal adds up…
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good point
but let’s remember this is just the initial offer.
What way can Burke take it to make it more palatable?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
As people have been saying, take the 7th pick off the table. Or insist on another piece from Boston, though right now I can’t think of who or what that could be that Boston would also consider giving up
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Yeah, you can get both guys that have been sat in the playoffs!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. I know. I want to keep them both.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
No way.
If Wheeler is put on the table it would be… regrettable at the very least. I’d rather do Sturm or Ward maybe.
by bruinsgirl30 on Jun 26, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
hi!
i can tell by your name, you’re in unfamiliar territory.
Suffice to say, anything you read as remotely ridiculous is probably sarcasm.
But welcome! Thanks for commenting. :)
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re invading. BWAHAHAHAHA
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruins fans I can stand
and Wings fans, and even Rangers fans.
Sens and Habs fans…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Rangers fans are mostly assholes. I know one nice one.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Technically, there is no such thing as a Sens fan – they’re all sort of "ex-[someone else]
by Blue and White Expat on Jun 26, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
AHHHH!
Put up the force field!
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what about Wheeler? or Bitz? Both are “Burkian” types…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Would the Bruins give up Wheeler?
And maybe I’m wrong, but Bitz seems too… limited… to be a good addition.
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Yeah, he is. And I don’t see him leaving Boston unless there’s a stupid good offer for him. He’s a good 4th-liner and cheap to boot.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Kessel Looch and Fernantdez!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 26, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s “truculent”
and, he replaced Wheeler in the playoffs. he has some offensive upside. minimal, but he’s not completely one dimensional. also, he’s very young as well, want to say 21 or 22…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s wicked young, I don’t see him going anywhere because he’s cheap too and the Bruins don’t exactly have a ton of cap space.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if there is an offer from Boston then something has to be missing from those details, no way Burke trades two great assets for just one
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I can only hope. Really, I don’t see this happening the way it is reported right now.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Kessel’s a bit too one dimensional and there have been questions about his attitude.
by Pal Hal Pall on Jun 26, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Call me sentimental
but I’m a big fan of cancer survivors. I’m sure the Bruin fans round here can attest to the attitude piece, the only time i heard that was when he fell in the draft, nothing since. but i haven’t payed that much attention to him until this season…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I pay pretty close attention to the Bruins and I haven’t heard anything, attitude-wise, in the last year or two.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was watching the All Access draft specials last night
and they had Kessel’s draft day, and they followed him around.
He seemed like a goofy kid with some spirit. Not any false humility, but not high on himself. He knew what his strengths were.
When kids were asked how they saw themselves, every forward said “solid two way player.” Kessel said he’s a sniper and he’ll light the lamp for you. Nothing wrong with telling the truth.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially when he backs it up like he did. 36 goals, 60 points is pretty snipy to me.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The other thing I noticed is how funny and goofy the kids were. Even with the cameras rolling.
Stamkos was hysterical as well. The sides that get “coached” out of these guys when it comes to the media are probably the best parts to market…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
See: Ovechkin
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
What makes Kessel not worth it?
The 7th overall pick.
Kabs for Kessel straight-up? I’d do it. But to throw in the pick? That’s like Kabs and Cowan for Kessel and that seems way too much for an RFA.
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see above
what if Wheeler or Bitz is included coming back…?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a huge “what-if”
The reports were Kessel for Kabs and the Leafs top pick and I think that’s what everyone is reacting too.
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my 2¢
Don’t trade within the division. Ever.
I know we’ve established Burke isn’t afraid to make little moves, but this is not little at all.
Also, I ♥ Kessel, but I wouldn’t pay this much for him, not without a few more pieces coming back. Maybe take the Bruins first rounder and Bitz or Wheeler
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
loooooooch
with Fernandez if we dont get the monster
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 26, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Fernandez is a UFA, why would the Leafs give up anything for him?
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never mind then
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 26, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
RASK!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 26, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Now you’re talking!
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For the Monster!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
While that would be ironic and hilarious (for maybe 10seconds), I suspect that shortly afterwards all sane Bruins fans would get out the pitchforks and torches to hunt down Chiarelli.
by bruinsgirl30 on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
After playing like shit for us for two years, we should just demand that Boston give us our money back for the Rask/Raycrap deal.
by Blue and White Expat on Jun 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if Looch were traded Boston fans would have a Montreal-style riot.
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I’m envisioning the fallout from that.
There’s be a lot of empty seats, I can tell you that.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
and rightly so
Still, I’m wondering if Burke is counter offering. Also, I don’t think this was the deal that was talked about yesterday. It was rumored that team was in on the Bouwmeester sweepstakes, so chances are, there are at least two offers for Kabby on the table…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone who has read several of the links has heard both LA and Atlanta as well as some outlandish stuff about TB….but what about Phoenix? I read somewhere that Burke has no interest in selling the farm for a shot at Tavares or Hedman…that their main focus all along has been Cowen and Schenn.
by wayne scarlett on Jun 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Lucic leaving Boston in a trade is a hilarious idea.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Lucic for Blake
straight up?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Throw in Wheeler and Chara, and we’ll give you Pogge and Tlusty.
by general borschevsky on Jun 26, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
well
Swap Tlusty with Stapleton. don’t want to completely hose them…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with the trade is that it starts with “From Boston: Lucic…”
Everything after that is white noise.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Kessel? Lets see...
…0.5 points per game over three years, most of them coming last year when Boston was the best team in the East. You would have to be a complete friggen idiot to make this deal.
Drop the draft pick and it’s an OK deal.
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In Jason Blake’s contract year, his shooting percentage went up by half. Here’s a short history of Blake’s year by year shooting percentage:
2003-04 9.2%
2004-05 9.1%
2005-06 9.9%
2006-07 13.1%
Spot the outlier.
After signing his boffo deal, he shot a paltry 4.5% in 2007-08. Last season, in a partial return to form, the Albino Assassin’s shooting percentage returned to the norm at 8.3%
Let’s have a look at Kessel’s shooting percentage. In his three seasons in the NHL he put up 6.5%, 8.9% and a whopping 15.5%
Spot the outlier.
I don’t think Kessel’s shooting percentage is sustainable, does anyone else? The team that acquires him is likely to double his salary and see his goal production drop.
That’s just one more reason I wouldn’t do this deal.
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Thanks mf. As usual, excellent work.
And as I said in the CC, this deal as proposed is not happening, even if that means I have to kill everyone on earth to ensure it doesn’t.
"If this is another one of your lectures about how we should all blah blah blah and whatever, well you can save it because we all know it by heart."
Eklund just twittered
“I just 100% confirmef the Kaberle offer. It was Kessel for Kaberle straight up. Definitely not enough. think Burke waits for JayBo losers”
doofus…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke
should not give up our first round draft pick for anything unless it involves moving the pick up.
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Just read this as a comment on a posting on thescore.ca , no wonder this is the first and last time I visit that site.
Of all of the Kaberle rumours I have heard I think the one for Kovalchuk & the 4th pick was the best.
Does this person inhabit reality? Come On!
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 26, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
only
if they include Bogosian.
Then it would be fair
/sarcasm overload.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Hee
I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. But sadly, I think they might be insane. And let’s just hope that Waddell is that kind of insane too!
"If this is another one of your lectures about how we should all blah blah blah and whatever, well you can save it because we all know it by heart."
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
true
but even he managed to not sign Wade Redden at $6M per until 2014
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Glen Sather tends to trade well, though.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
really...?
i did not know that.
seriously…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I hear from people who pay more attention to the rangers than I do, at least.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly can’t think of a trade he’s made where he got the better return.
He got hosed on that Montoya deal with Phoenix…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know the rangers trading history well enough to tell.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So I’ve heard. I don’t think he is this bad though. Even Mad Mike wouldn’t do that trade… I think.
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I dunno. Waddell has said that it is hard to say no to Burke…
"If this is another one of your lectures about how we should all blah blah blah and whatever, well you can save it because we all know it by heart."
Hard to say no when he’s pulling your tongue out with tongs.
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Tooo much!
Also I woke up at 6:30 am to check my twitter feed to see if Kabby had been traded. The report of this offer was very confusing at that time of the morning.
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by Karina on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
still some discrepancies.
Damien and TSM are saying the 7th isn’t included. Straight player for player swap.
Turns out Eklund may have been right after all…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
Eklund right about something?
I think I need to lie down for a minute…
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It happens about 3% of the time.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
if it’s straight up…. maybe.
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by Karina on Jun 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
no maybe about it for me
i love it…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
if we sign Kessel, then yes. But we need to sign Kessel and that’s what holds me back.
If they do a sign and trade, then fine.
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by Karina on Jun 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
he'll sign...
he’s being traded because the Bruins can’t fit him under the cap.
Give him a 4 or 5 year deal, front loaded…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that’d be fine with me.
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by Karina on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Wamsley (from EOTP) made a good point about getting him signed first because what if the Leafs trade for Kessel and a team gives him an offer sheet that sets the market for him?
I guess you could take the picks but if you have your heart set on Kessel you should have it set before hand.
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Cox is actually saying the LEafs would get Kessel and a pick. I’d be fine with that return. Sure, his % was high, but that was a goal every two games at age 21.
If he reverts to his norm and his shooting percentage drops by 5% Kessel is a 20 to 25 goal man.
That’s amazing for a 21 year old, but it’s not worth $4.5M/year.
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One other thought
to the naysayers, three words:
Jeff Freaking Carter
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
i know it didn't
hence my still being all bent out of shape this many years on now…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i like your style
Andrew Raycroft who? Never heard of him. Certainly didn’t play for MY Leafs…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
TSN is reporting now that they got it all wrong. It is Kessel and a Bruins pick for Kaberle. It is also not the Bruins first round pick.
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by Zachary Zielonka on Jun 26, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
I’m thinking it’ll hinge on whether or not he can move up in the draft without Kabby now.
Otherwise, I’d have done that trade already.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
me too…. though honestly, I think kessel’s ceiling is possibly as high as Tavares’ so why not just make the deal and not bother moving up?
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by Karina on Jun 26, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Add another team into the mix: The Stars have apparently offered Matt Niskanen and the 8th pick to the Leafs for Kaberle
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