Background Details of Failed Kessel-Kaberle Deal
Apparently Bruins' GM Peter Chiarelli is one of three things:
1. An idiot
2. The World's Biggest Optimist
3. A Recreational Drug User
There really is no other explanation for thinking that Kaberle + 7th was going for Kessel + a late 1st rounder.
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A theory
He probably thought JFJ was still in charge, so #1 applies.
by thisisrobster on Jun 29, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chiarelli: So we have a deal, right?
Burke: You’re having a laugh.
Chiarelli: It worked last time!
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by article1 on Jun 29, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything, they still owe us for Tuuka Rask
by Pal Hal Pall on Jun 29, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
chiarelli smokes crystal meth.
kessel and kaberle are both skilled at their respective position. but kaberle’s been at it longer and more consistently than kessel, not to mention a scoring winger is way easier to replace than a puck moving defenceman. and kabby’s very cheap compared to other d-men of his ilk (signed for another 2 years). kessel’s looking for the going rate, and has yet to sign.
by daoust on Jun 29, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kessel is also not doing well in the durrability and consistancey market
Kabby excels in both
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kessel has missed games due to: Testicular Cancer and Mono. Sorry that Kaberle didn’t have to overcome cancer.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 29, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Kessel’s shoulder is fucked up now too and that’s a pretty serious injury he has now right?
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by PPP on Jun 29, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy is riding a unicycle for crying out loud!
i don’t think a shoulder injury is gonna slow him down much either.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 29, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he won’t be there for the first game of the season, but we’ll see how he recovers. Krejci had the same injury, I’m not too worried about him.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 29, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
coulda swore he had a knee or something go out on him too
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sturm was out for the end of the season with a knee injury, but Kessel’s true blue american joints aren’t failing him currently. Kissing disease and ball cancer, sure, but no knee injury that I know of.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yes, Mono, that was the other thing, and sturm is where the knee thing came from
but his shoulder be fooked
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny how
a knee injury fazed no one on Cowen, but a shoulder injury on Kessel and the guy becomes untouchable…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not saying i dont want Kessel, in fact I do, I’d just rather have Kabby
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always been against major injuries except for Antro. He’s knees are bionic!
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by PPP on Jun 30, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cost him six places or so in the draft….
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by 1967ers on Jun 30, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't have
if some of the folks around here were the ones making the pick…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any guy who loses half of his..ahem…self and still plays has got my full respect.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THERE’S NO HOPE WITH DOPE
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by furcifer on Jun 29, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will add I hope this still gets done. I wouldn’t even be too upset with a straight swap provided there’s some assurance a deal with Kessel would get done.
by Godd Till on Jun 29, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still, id rather them sign him first (on the condition of the trade) to something reasonable
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we signed him to something reasonable, we’d keep him. Probably.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 29, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reasonable for the leafs is probably more than reasonable for the Bruins cap wise
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like the straight swap idea…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 29, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could sign Antro
http://www.sportsnet.ca/thewire/hockey/2009/06/28/eyeing_talent_and_progress/
Slats is pissed. Remember these comments are coming from the guy who offered the Redden deal………….then signed it
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by Haeyena on Jun 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it says he thought the deal was Kaberle and a first for Kessel and a first.
Still not a good deal, but at least it’s better than just Kessel. Now it’s just pot-smoking bad, not meth-snorting bad.
(Do you snort meth? I honestly don’t know. I don’t hang out with Sabres fans.)
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by Down Goes Brown on Jun 29, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to understand when they talk since they have no teeth but it appears that you smoke it.
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by PPP on Jun 29, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe meth is smoked. At least that’s what four habs fans says about it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 29, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they say so then that’s official confirmation.
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by PPP on Jun 29, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Vancouver fans are the meth-head experts
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by furcifer on Jun 29, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t herion dens and pot bars more the lifestyle of Vancouver? shroom fields?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 29, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen East Hastings?
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by furcifer on Jun 29, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meth and crack abound….
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by Karina on Jun 29, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cocaine is a helluva a drug
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by PPP on Jun 29, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CHIARELLI!!!!!
IS TOTALLY AWESOME
I wish he was good enough to have gotten that done. I would have laughed for days, and you guys would have banned me. It would have been totally worth it, Kadri is a badass name.
p.s. you guys should get the eagle back: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4295830
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 29, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy Cow, he’s been running triathlons. We should offer him $750,000 just for fun. “Eddie!!! Eddie!!!”
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by kidkawartha on Jun 29, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, Kaberle’s 10 years older, so there’s that…
by Toe Nash on Jun 29, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Kessel’s an RFA
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by furcifer on Jun 29, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point is Kessel could improve. I don’t know what a good offer would be, but it’s not like they are in the same place career-wise.
by Toe Nash on Jun 29, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kessel will have to ensure that his shooting percentage doesn’t drop from a career high 15.5% which is 7% higher than his previous high or he better start shooting a lot more.
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by PPP on Jun 29, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his shooting percentage drops to 12%, he’s a 27 goal man. At 10% he’s down to 23 goals. With the contract and term Kessel will be looking for (I’d guess 5 years, $22M) I don’t think it’s worth it.
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by mf37 on Jun 29, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Chiarelli,
We’ve already got one Jason Blake. We don’t need another.
kthxbai
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by article1 on Jun 29, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gratuitous Star Wars quote
Who’s the bigger fool: the fool or the fool who follows him?
Burke apparently spent much of his draft day, up until the first picks had been made, negotiating a deal that had no chance of getting off the ground. Advantage, Chiarelli.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 29, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just because he was talking with Chiarelli does not mean he was not talking to anyone else.
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by JohnnyG on Jun 29, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
apparently, so did Chiarelli. this was miscommunication with Boston thinking one thing was happening and Toronto thinking another. If Burke was spending “much of his draft day” negotiating this on his end, so to was Chiarelli
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by blurr1974 on Jun 29, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh snap!
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by furcifer on Jun 29, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The obvious difference being that the Leafs are going into a rebuild and the Bruins are coming out of one.
Burke was very clear that he wanted to make a big splash of a deal on draft day. And he didn’t, at least in part because he was on the phone with Chiarelli for much of the preceding 48 hours. To put it bluntly, Burke failed at what he was supposed to do. Did you see his face when the #5 pick was being made?
Yeah, Chiarelli might have spun his tires a bit, but he had nothing to lose. Burke did. Again… advantage, Chiarelli.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re another one of those tin foil hat wearers aren’t you?
News flash – all GM’s want to move up to improve their team. All GM’s want to improve their team. What Burke had to offer, the teams ahead of him didn’t want. Ya he was pissed. So what? Wouldn’t you be? God forbid he show emotion, because that means he must suck at his job, right?
If it makes you feel better to believe that Chiarelli, with all of 0 Stanley cup rings to his credit and a total of two seasons as GM is the better guy, have at it. Whatever keeps your tin foil shiny.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that was a bit of an overreaction.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, I didn’t realize you were being level headed, what with the utter nonsense you’re spewing.
You can see how i’d be confused…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop defending against offence!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh, sarcasm. Feel the burn.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
If you don’t grasp the concept of trying to improve a team, through any means necessary, then discussing the point is moot. Blind homerism is great for some message boards, but if you’re not going to have an honest discussion, then what’s the point?
Don’t troll through another teams message boards acting as if you’ve got all the answers and not expect to take some heat for it…
hugs and kisses
blurr
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what if you DO have all the answers?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the sake of beating a dead horse
Boston.com has an article regarding the trade
and I quote:
…the Kessel-for-Kaberle deal crumbled because Toronto didn’t have as many trimmings on the plate as the Bruins initially believed.
In other words, Chiarelli was assuming the trade to have more coming back than Burke was offering.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it was also reported that the Leafs were offering Kaberle for Kessel and a pick…there seemed to be a lot of confusion over the whole thing.
The Bruins had a really boring draft, what else are we going to do?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean to say
there was confusion on both sides, with each GM trying to improve their team?
that’s just crazy talk…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told you, I have all the answers.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do, that’s why we like you!
darn shame about that B’s thing of yours though….
:)
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a shame at all. It’s awesome.
Remember that last team that swept the Habs in the playoffs. hellllll yeah.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief, the entire conversation to this point has been predicated on the assumption that Chiarelli is “an idiot” or “a recreational drug user”, and you’re calling ME the blind homer?
I don’t think it’s trolling to suggest that, perhaps, this situation involved a bit of executive gamesmanship. It’s striking that nearly every comment in here assumes that he was seriously expecting to make the most lopsided trade since… well, I won’t bring it up. But I really doubt Chiarelli was expecting lightning to strike twice in the same place.
Don’t be so darn defensive. It’s the middle of the summer. You’ve got a solid 3 or 4 months to NOT wear an inferiority complex on your sleeve.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the entire conversation to this point has been predicated on the assumption that Chiarelli is "an idiot" or "a recreational drug user",
Jesus Christ it was a joke. Chiarelli put together the 1st seed in the East so he’s obviously not a moron. The point was if the Bruins thought that the Leafs were giving up Kaberle and a 7th for Kessel, an RFA, they were out of their minds.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have any problem at all with the joke, actually thought it was cute enough on first read. I just find it amusing when someone pulls the “homer card” under these circumstances.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the homer card was pulled when you stated “Advantage Chiarelli” on a Leafs board, without thinking maybe, just maybe, the deal was a two way street of broken communication.
Instead, Boston is a faultless beacon of perfection, and Toronto is the keystone cops of management. right?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that it’s “homer” to say that a team got the advantage in a failed trade? Really?
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what advantage did Boston get?
Not trading an RFA they don’t have cap room for, potentially losing him for nothing?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how else to spell this out.
Burke said repeatedly in the press that he was planning to make a dramatic move on draft day.
Burke spent at least 48 hours negotiating a major deal that had ZERO chance of actually happening.
Chiarelli was the cause of that waste-of-time.
Chiarelli’s team plays in the same division as Burke’s.
Maybe not so much a positive for Boston, just a bit of attrition against a division rival, which equals an advantage.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you be sure that was the deal he was talking about? or that he didnt have mutltiple huge deals on the plate?
Just because the one talked about most was the Kessel deal means nothing other than it got leaked
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had multiple huge deals on the plate, negotiating with Boston until at least 6pm was rather pointless wasn’t it?
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its called maximizing value, if you can get X for Y from one guy, but another dude says they might give you X2, you work both
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly. Thanks for addressing my point without turning it into a shouting match.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right you got us. Burke didn’t do anything for 48 hours but talk to Chiarelli. He showed up to the draft in his undies because he was so busy talking he didn’t even get time to change. I liked his bunny slippers.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This explains why he didn’t get any deals done – GMs were afraid of the bunny slippers.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's a thought
every GM wants to move up. Every GM wants to make a big splash. Only one GM works in a city where every word uttered about hockey is treated as news. I understand you viewing this as failed because your a Bruins fan. Maybe you don’t like the Leafs, that wouldn’t be a shock. There are just as many Leaf fans upset that Burke didn’t do what he said, and feel the draft day was a failure because of it.
We’re used to Toronto media spewing sound bites on repeat. Just because Burke said he wanted to make big moves to improve his team, doesn’t mean no other GM wanted to do the same. All GM’s want to improve their team. Obviously, those in the top 5 felt they had a better chance at improving through the draft than through trades.
As far as the “working the phone” argument. It’s ridiculous to think only one man knows how to use the phone, but perhaps that’s why Chiarelli got hired in the first place? He can use a phone?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that there are always multiple trades on the table, but anyone who has ever had a white-collar job knows what happens when one issue is demanding your attention. You delegate the less important things, and focus on your “blockbuster”. At the very least it’s a distraction, at most it can sandbag your entire strategy.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as someone with a “white collar job” I’m quite adept at multi-tasking.
Burke, with a team of who knows how many adept multi-taskers however, can only work on one issue at a time.
makes sense.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hence the need for blue collar truculent players to balance off all the white collar multitaskers
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, you know a Harvard educated lawyer with a team of GM’s with years of experience can’t handle some negotiations.
Right on again buddy
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why he was so successful at making a draft-day trade, right?
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
about as successful as boston
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is fine from a Boston point of view.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Burke not doing anything to epicly fuck up and make some good picks is perfectly fine with leafs fans
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then where is all this defensiveness coming from?
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
er….you pretty much stated burke was a failure, we are stating he wasnt, thus has been the argument
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. Nobody said Burke did a stunning job at draft day. Nobody says they hoodwinked anyone. You though are claiming that a non-event was a big coup for Chiarelli, hence the disagreement.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston didn’t even have a draft part locally
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah cause the amount of draft day trades that went down was staggering. I could barely leave my seat at the Bell Centre in case I missed one.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forget, which team did Chiarelli trade the RFA you can’t afford to resign to again?
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by clrkaitken on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and who is to say the Kessel deal was said block buster? ever think that maybe it got so confused was because Burke was more focused on another deal? like the Kaberle to Dallas for the 8th over all deal that also leaked?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Nieuwendyk was just wasting Burke’s time for fun as well. Oh those GMs and their pranks!
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, all this AND Murray was able to trick Burke into taking Kadri out of spite?
man what a bad GM we have!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we suck so bad…
i had no idea. i see the light now. that 9th place finish had me convinced we were the best team in the league, cuz you know, it’s not a goal scoring competition…
:P
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Burke. All that coffee I made for you? I used tip-ex instead of milk!
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by article1 on Jun 30, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burke…wanted to make a big splash of a deal on draft day. And he didn’t, at least in part because he was on the phone with Chiarelli for much of the preceding 48 hours.
So status quo is an advatage for Boston because Burke didn’t have call waiting? riiiiight.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does one get an advantage in a failed trade? Honestly, did that even make sense? Is this real life?
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if that Pronger deal had failed. it would have been advantage philly
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SPISA???
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
touche
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shock and dismay!!!!
are you saying that, on a Leafs message board, we’re OPENLY suggesting that we like our team?
i for one, am thoroughly outraged. PPP, I ask that you immediately begin a top down investigation into this matter so that we can once and for all, figure out who we’re rooting for here!
In regards to the maybe/what-if/could have happened between Burke and Chiarreli. You know what the say when you assume things…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes! More sarcasm!
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it comes in droves here…
probably should have gotten the lay of the land before putting your stake in the ground.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem, I’m willing to wait until you’re able to have an adult conversation.
waiting
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO IS YOUR FACE
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me to
let me know when you can see both sides of an issue.
also
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve got a solid 3 or 4 months to NOT wear an inferiority complex on your sleeve.
And 3 to 4 months until your superiority complex wears out I hope…
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by PPP on Jun 30, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Burke only spoke to Chiarelli? How long do you think the phone calls were? It’s not like they were trading recommendations on Boston restaurants.
It takes two to tango so I am not surprised that no team wanted to deal with Burke. 4 of the top 8 teams are in disarray and no GM wanted to sacrifice the cheap young talent that is required to win in the NHL.
And while Chiarelli was on the phone with Burke he also didn’t address any of the Bruins faults while the Flyers added Chris Pronger so now he’s fallen down in the Eastern Conference pecking order. Oh, and he still has cap trouble and he still has an RFA with a bum shoulder. Advantage Burke.
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by PPP on Jun 30, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, there was no pressure on Chiarelli to make a dramatic draft-day trade. The Kessel deal was the only rumor going around, and it was an obvious non-starter from the beginning.
I have to wonder: did you guys actually think the deal was going to happen?
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, because as it came to us it was Kabby and the 7th over all for Kessel, and we knew Burke wouldnt pull the trigger on that, by the time the facts came down it was already a broken deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, the deal was obviously a non-starter yet there was an awful lot of back-and-forth between Burke and Chiarelli over something that clearly would not happen.
And, given Burke’s position, that kind of distraction is not the least bit helpful. That is the entirety of my point. It seems obvious enough, not sure why there’s so much defensiveness over it.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you should read this that explains how draft day deals are made. Burke can work multiple deals at the same time. That’s one of the reasons Nonis and Fletcher were at the draft too. They weren’t there just to shake hands and look pretty.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The article doesn’t address the fact that trade happen like a row of dominos. Nothing Nonis and Fletcher did would have mattered if Burke was sitting on a blockbuster for two days prior.
Again, I’m not saying anything here that isn’t obvious. Burke wasted a bunch of time on nothing. He didn’t get into the top-5 as he declared he wanted to. Chiarelli didn’t move Kessel, but that wasn’t going to happen anyway. That’s all.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that wasted time? Were they on the phone for 48 straight hours? Honestly, you are talking nonsense.
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I have to ask… did you at ANY point think that deal was actually going to happen? I can’t speak for everyone on the Boston side, but the general sentiment was that it was obviously a ridiculous offer and would never happen.
Snippet from a personal email, dated June 25:
“No telling what the Bruins are going to do tonight. TSN has them making a ridiculous offer to the Leafs which will undoubtedly be rejected. "
Imagine my surprise to turn on the TV before the draft and STILL hear about frantic negotiations between the teams. At that point my immediate thought was, “Chiarelli is fucking with this guy. There’s no way this deal happens.”
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, nobody thought it was going to happen. I can vouch for that.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we already said no
also , what relevance does us believing this or not have on the current discussion?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a deal is obviously dead, as in “There is no way in hell this would ever happen in a million years”, why make the offer?
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Chiarelli...
he’s the one who made it.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are there no such things as counter offers in Boston? Or is negotiating not allowed?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. That’s how the big dig got done, and dammit that turned out okay. horrendously overbudget.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
opening negotiations
GM1 calls GM2 and says, hey i want this, here is this
GM2 says no, how about this?
back and forth ensues till both are happy and a deal is done
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the counter offer might be a foreign concept in Beantown…Burke obviously stunned him with one
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, when you go buy a car and they say it is $20,000, do you just take it or leave it? You dont negotiate?
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JFJ Negotiated!
$20 000? I’ll give you $50 000
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a 4 year no oil change clause
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did i Say $50k
I meant one billion.
and please, charge me extra for A/C. Also, i never want my oil changed.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two words:
As Is
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JFJ offered $8M for this
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was only rolled once! That’s a steal!
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but Chiarelli dropped the ball and the deal fell through
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Advantage Boston – still proud owners of a 1999 Acura Integra, only rolled once.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you can have my children, too.
And one of my lungs.
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by article1 on Jun 30, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I concede
It was all ONE big giant plot by Chiarelli to distract Burke, cuz he is a divisional rival.
Someone call MENSA immediately to get Chiarelli a membership, cuz he is obviously a genius. I mean bravo, BRAVO.
I tell ya, with moves like this I might just turn to a Boston fan
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky for us bostonblueline came in and showed us the light.
Points conceded
1. Chiarelli is a genius and only called Burke to “fuck with him” and waste his time.
2. Burke sat on hold for 48 hours
3. Chiarelli can use a phone better than Burke.
4. GMs can only work on one trade at once other wise they might get confused and make a deal like Raycroft for Rask…hey wait.
5. GMs like throwing out ridiculous deals just for shits and giggles.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
we shoudnt be arguing, we should THANK him for showing us the light
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i knew it was a conspiracy!
tin foil hats for all!
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it
really doesn’t matter what the intent and purpose behind Chiarelli’s actions are, if Burke so much spent an ounce of effort on something that was never going to happen, then he failed in that regard
maybe bostonblueline is exaggerating Burke’s failure turning that 49% on his test to a 20% epic failure but 49 is still under 50 and that’s a fail no matter what school you go to
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by Winkle on Jun 30, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so true
Winkle. We’ve all turned a corner here.
I guess we should be like Boston fans and wait for the team to be good before jumping on the bandwagon.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got them confused with Habs fans
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the media told me thats a good thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all great hockey cities like Boston and Montreal and Chicago know, you only support your team when they’re winning.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey
I’m just saying, we as Leafs fan need to stop drinking all that kool-aid and be more rational like our mentor and hero Damien Cox
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by Winkle on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you like playing up the asshole angle, but man thats a little overboard
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by leafer1984 on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you forgotten who i am?
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by Winkle on Jun 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Glass half Full
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should take over Cox Bloc and just write about how right Cox is about everything.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah, this is all the hate I get?
My effort is wasted on you people.
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by Winkle on Jun 30, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
effort is over rated, just ask Burke!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I tried to stir up shit here but it was never going to happen
I FAIL
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by Winkle on Jun 30, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn’t have warned us that you were stirring shit up.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you tell people things that are obvious it makes them mad at you and unwilling to cooperate no matter what
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Winkle alarm went off premature
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just end up on on hold waiting for some asshole to get back to you.
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by article1 on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Chiarelli is just on drugs.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burke wasted a bunch of time on nothing
Oh my god. That was the point of the article. The GMs don’t do everything themselves. Burke wasn’t just sitting chatting to Chiarelli all day long crossing his fingers the deal would be made. He was at the draft table before any other GM. He went from table to table talking to them trying to get deals done or at least starting discussions for future trades. He picked up his phone and called other GMs. He didn’t just sit there twiddling his thumbs, playing jacks or chewing on straw.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s a much more enjoyable image to think of Burke on hold, pissed off, and the whole time Chiarelli is just giggling with Claude Julien.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
having been there, i can vouch that Burke was moble the whole time politly telling GMs to go fuck themselves when they asked for Schenn
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the while shaking their hands in his underwear and bunny slippers.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bunny slippers were rather bad ass
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it takes a special man to rock bunny slippers
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t remove the humor of the mental image. Especially if they come off hold and ask if his refrigerator is running.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, Burke’s an idiot!
wooooooo!!
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by Winkle on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see your sarcasm machine is in working order again, Winkle
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by clrkaitken on Jun 30, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Because it came to us as Kaberle and the 7th for Kessel. Even if it included swapping firsts it doesn’t make sense for Burke to trade Kaberle considering what he said in the past which is why I doubt that he didn’t make other trades because he was occupied by Chiarelli.
Burke did a lot of talking at the draft. I saw him talk to about a dozen GMs and the conversations were quick. It’s not like he left the draft, turned off his phone, and sat in a room with Chiarelli.
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by PPP on Jun 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
48 hours straight.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are totally missing the prank call aspect of this.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torn rotator cuff and labrum surgery in the off-season and an RFA looking for mega bucks after a career season in a contract year. Where do I sign-up?
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by mf37 on Jun 29, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if your name was JFJ, you would have signed in your blood already. Kessel is decent, not worth the trade offer nor the huge money he’s looking for. He needs a second season at that level first.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the recovery from that surgery has worked out perfectly for Dustin McGowan. What’s that? His career is in jeopardy? Hmmm…
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by PPP on Jun 29, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff O’Neill had similar surgery but I think it was the all-cheeseburger rehab plan that slowed him down.
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Rec’d.
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by kidkawartha on Jun 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmm cheeseburger rehab!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheeseburger Rehab would be a great band name.
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by mf37 on Jun 30, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to bosontblueline...
No sarcasm, and being completely honest.
I have a lot of respect for you coming in here and sticking to your guns. we are a very sarcastic bunch, and we love a good fight. we spend just as much time arguing with one another over these exact same things. Still, it’s our team, and we can’t have someone else coming in here and knocking us down a peg. that’s our job….
My hat’s off to ya.
Also, advantage Burke! :P
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, advantage Burke! :P
You just destroyed our entire case.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what case?
the nothing happened so we’re better than you argument?
i’m at a complete loss now. if Burke does something on the 1st, does that mean we suck, because he did something? seriously, it’s all quite confusing…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. And if he does nothing, you suck again!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullet proof logic.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Advantage: Boston.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
curses!
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part is we get to re-start this entire conversation at 12am tonight.
Cheers, I’ve gotta go make an offer on a car.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the Acura?
get in line. the guy’s got me on hold right now…
wait a minute…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bidding war!
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why to I get the idea that Doug Wilson is attempting to keep JFJ away from a telephone
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesnt need any baloons
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 30, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he likes the red ones at the used car lot!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Chiarelli is going to up the offer so we’re probably safe.
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by PPP on Jun 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiarelli
Also, not so smart.
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by PPP on Jun 30, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s what they call the boomstick
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops sorry thought it was smaller.
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by furcifer on Jun 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still awesome!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 30, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for #1 and #3, woot!
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