Leafs Fans - We Get By With a Little Help From Our Friends
by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintAfter reading through the links today, I've come to the realization that the Kaberle trade discussions are not going to end anytime soon. At first, I was a little apprehensive with this knowledge. Kaberle is a Leafs lifer, and through his outstanding level of play, commitment to the blue and white and emo-esque almost uni-brow, the man has garnered a passionate following of Leaf fans.
The last time an issue of this magnitude lingered, we had a mini civil war in Leafs nation. The Sundo's and the Sundon'ts faced off for, what seemed like, months. Steely gazes and harsh words stirred up lot's of emotion on both sides of the fence.
In the end, we gave the man his due and, for the most part, considered it a closed subject. There is the occasional "sign Sundin" appeal to the masses from a select few (you know who you are...) but the response is limited to a knowing smile. This is Burke's team now.
As you click through the links today, I would say that the best tonic to those passionate emotions you're probably feeling is to hum a few bars of the Beatles "With a Little Help From My Friends." Come the beginning of the 2010 season, after what could be even more roster upheaval, one thing will remain...
We're all Leafs fans.
- Let's start things off with the hot button. Dr. Steve brings us the science on those Kaberle for Kessel rumors.
- Down Goes Brown, in his usual stoic and reflective style, takes a look back at Gary Roberts: Senator Slayer.
- Bittter Leaf compiled the 6 words or less, and added his own. Feel free to drop in and check them all out side by side, along with any new ones in the comments. Kumbaya and all that...
- Loser Domi has another Leafs chat that includes some Thrashers as well.
- TSM has their take on Burke's most recent radio outing as well as who the latest front office hiring could be.
- MLHS listened to Burke on the radio as well, and came up with a few observations. Plus, some news from around the league.
- TML Central has even more jersey and logo madness. Am I the only one who doesn't mind the Leafs logo as it is currently?
- TMLFan Fury tries to predict the upcoming Leafs roster. Conspicuously absent: Tyler Bozak and Christian Hanson. Will they start in the AHL? Time will tell...
- Meet Justin Pogge: a 23 year old washed up NHL goalie has-been (or never-was) who's name is never mentioned in the same sentence as the word "potential" anymore.
- Former Leaf prospect Sebastien Centomo signs with the IHL Lumberjacks. My favorite quote of the article: "Centomo has proven to be a goal guardian of masterful winning stripe." orly?
- On Frozen Blog makes note of the oddness surrounding Crosby's living arrangements.
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- The general goes all feline on us.
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I love Tomas Kaberle
I just love him so much.
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PLAYOFFS!!!!1
by eyebleaf on Jul 23, 2009 5:39 AM EDT reply actions 14 recs
He has
never the same after that Jensson hit :( :( :( :(
:’(
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jannssen is a f*cking turd. textbook example of a completely marginal player injuring an all-star player with a dirty hit.
Mr Janssen, meet mr Orr, and Mr Exelby, and Mr Beauchemin and Mr Schenn
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
I hope he never has to go…but if he does, the players coming back make the team a better one
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Eye, your complete love for Kaberle makes me smile.
I want it all, I want Kabby to stay and the Leafs to get more offense and win the Cup, etc. But if Kabby has to go Burke better fleece the other GM and make him cry.
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This is why I'm glad I don't read the Post
hey nothing’s happening so let’s tear down a 23 year old even though the only apparent problem with him talking to his coach is that he’s 23.
Meh
Pogge’s shit. Whether it’s November, February, or July, that ain’t going to change.
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by eyebleaf on Jul 23, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TRADE KABERLE!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I deserved that, Jared.
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we all have our foibles
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to have to agree but would love to be proven wrong.
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“The saving grace now is that you’ve got the best goalie coach in the history of the NHL working with the Leafs,” McKichan said. “So if anybody can turn it around in that development it’s Francois Allaire, who I have the utmost respect for.”
As opposed to the shitbox coach we had before…what was his name? Oh yeah, Steve McKichan.
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not to mention Mr Mind fuck Gillbert has gone the way of the pink slip
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
isn’t Dallas Eakins getting the gig?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke loves this wait till the last minuite shit doesnt he?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a skilled and experienced showman.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 23, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
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From the On Frozen Blog story about Crosby still living at Lemieux’s house.
Posted by erinK, July 22, 2009 12:14 PM
Dude, when I was 21 I lived with my mother. It’s no big deal.
Crosby probably spent his entire adolescence with billet families. I don’t begrudge him spending a few more years with a family he really likes.
And Lemieux was a teammate when they started living together – nobody complains that Malkin lived with Gonchar until this year, and Jordan Staal rented a room from Mark Recchi.
Seriously, people in DC really care about this kind of stuff? Hmm, well I suppose you have to have something to talk about when your “Caps Image of the Day” is Bob Woods talking to an imaginary Mr. Hat… ;)
Yes, erinK, you living at home until you were 21 is the exact same. Except, you know, that Crosby was making $8.7M this year, and you most likely making $8.70 an hour.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You all hate on Crosby, and call him a diver, because you wish he played for your team. Go Pen!s
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All the guys on the team are the best TV actors of the sports world! Go Pen!s
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s the Pens fans equivalent of "Go Flyers!"?
Woooooooo!!!
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That’s not exclusive to pens fans.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Dont worry, we’ll suck again soon so we can tank for the next generational talent! Go Pens!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Jean Claude van Damme made a movie about the Pens! We didn’t suck! Go Pen!s
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sudden Death is the best Hockey-centric action-thriller starring Van Damme, ever.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 23, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Tyler Kennedy TOTALLY won that fight with OLAS!! Go Pen!s
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by kidkawartha on Jul 23, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ZING!
(843): the red head has a bf
(1-843): just because there's a goalie doesn't mean u can't score
by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 23, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
But Kennedy is more a meteorologist than fighter these days.
I mean…uh…
Mats Sundin?! LOLz! Go Pen!s
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 23, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Lemieux was better than Gretzky. When I was 21 I lived with my mother.
That might work.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha! nicely done!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, I’m 22 and still live at home. But it’s because I don’t have a job and I’m going back to school in the fall and I DON’T MAKE MILLIONS PLAYING HOCKEY.
/bitter
/sorry it’s been a rough week
/obligatory gif
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 23, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that guy balancing the stack of money on his head is my hero
i am so doing that at work tonight
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm ok with the Jerseys the way they are now,
Although I will admit I liked them better with the stripe across the bottom.
But I am fine with the logo and using the classic logo on the 3rd jerseys.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
I like our current sweaters better than the pre-RBK Edge ones, but that might just be because we lost that god-awful TML shoulder patch.
i agree on the shoulder patch, but the stripes need to come back
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Stripes were good. Patch bad.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
UniWatch on ESPN did an entire article on the newest (at the time) NHL jerseys. He made some very interesting arguments against the straight horizontal pin striping form an aesthetics POV. Wish I could find the link…
I liked how the striping on our old jerseys broke up the shirt blending into the shorts, but i also like how the solid blue looks.
There are probably bigger worries in the nhl than jersey style though…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont mind the solid blue so much, but the solid white looks awkward, I wish they’d make the whites look like the third with the dark blue shoulders only with the canada leaf logo
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s why I bought a third jersey…the blue shoulders are cool.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I always thought the stripes sat too high, made a player look like he’d pulled his pants up to his navel. plus it had a tendency to make people look fat.
No no, he had the tendency to make fat look Wellwood…
by theothervatican on Jul 23, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
“Tendency”. He he.
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by kidkawartha on Jul 23, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Other good Beatles' tunes to cheer you up:
Yellow Submarine and Octopus’s Garden.
I was feeling nostalgic for the Cat late last night.
by general borschevsky on Jul 23, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions
I feel nostalgic for The Cat every night!
Hoping he would make his comeback somewhere so we can see that glove hand one last time.
I’ve only met him in person once. He was very appreciative and humble. Class act all the way.
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
added
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
curious
when did it post?
i stayed up uber late (for me) last night trying to make sure i got everything…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
3:13am but it had Wednesday’s date before I realized that it was actually Thursday morning. It’s now 10:38am and I’m still in the midst of realizing it’s Thursday morning.
by general borschevsky on Jul 23, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
that should have been 12:13 for me, and I was still up, but there’d have been a delay with my reader feed…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not about the Leafs but...
…there’s a great read up over at MC79 hockey looking at product vs. process in sports decisions.
Bitter Leaf Fan: a life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...
it is a fascinating read. It shows the flaw in decision making based on varying opinions on what is important and why. Teams need to make decisions based on what will make the team better as a whole and not based on a singular event or previous success without accounting for the reasons of that success.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
His argument would be stronger, if, you know, Khabibulin had posted worse sv% numbers in the regular season than either two goalies the Isles signed. I get what he’s saying, but that bit about a pay scale depending on save percentage sticks out when you consider that Bulin was 6th in the league for it.
honestly, I think as much as Bulin’s contract bothers him, I think he’s more embarassed by the fact that Bulin has no backup to really push him to be great
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh for sure, it just bugs me that a strong post gets so flawed later on. He could talk about Bulin facing less rubber and fewer games, he could have compared defenses, but instead he just makes a point about save percentage that actually credits the Bulin signing. Kinda erodes the foundation of it all.
I think it’s a fair comment to make. He’s comparing the tandems.
Here’s what the Islanders have next year for less money than the Oilers:
Roloson – .915% on 1787 shots
Biron – .915% on 1572 shots
Here’s what the Oilers have signed:
Khabibulin – .919% on 1096 shots
Deslauriers – .901% on 302 shots
Sure, Khabibulin’s is the highest save percentage but the Isles’ pair have face way more shots. And if the trend continues from last year the Oilers have to spread 2000 shots over two goalies one of which is essentially a rookie and the other a goalie that had a light workload last year because his team was trying to get rid of him, has never had a competent backup pushing him (and still doesn’t), and who had a sub .900% during the playoffs.
I think it’s a fair point.
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“Hockey” is not a new sport, invented in the fall of 2008. Messrs. Khabibulin, Roloson and Biron have a track record that extends into back into the mists of time, beyond October of 2008. Khabby had a fine campaign last year. His track record, save percentage wise, post-lockout is worse than both Roli and Biron.
yeah, the Oil paid him loads of money for an outlier season and the fact he won the Cup. The kid will need to push him and have the team play fabulous to post similar numbers over the length of that deal.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I always forget how old Rollie is, but what is interesting to me is how will Bullin respond to not having a all star calibre defense in front of him? The Oilers arnt the worst defensive team in the NHL, but they dont have anything like what Chicago had in front of him during that run
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You could tell me the Maple Leafs soak their hands in deer urine before games because it makes their knuckles stronger … I’d believe it
Real men drink deer urine, Go Flyers!
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My hoes banded together and got me SexDeer cologne for Christmas. It’s got bits of real deer soaked in deer urine in it! Go Flyers!
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60% of the time, it kills braincells ever time. Go Flyers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
PO-GGE PO-GGE PO-GGE
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
pierogies pierogies
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those are also awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
NOT PO-GGE NOT PO-GGE NOT PO-GGE
The Monster will prevail!
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Jul 23, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Pogge will prove you all wrong!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope you’re right, because damn it would be sweet to have a stockpile of goalie talent for a change
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
it is nice to have a stockpile of any talent
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice of Steve McKichan to throw Pogge under the bus.
McKichan did such great work with Raycroft and the Leafs that Fletcher fired him and he’s coaching where now?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, I dont get this hate on for the kid at all, he had the weight of the world put on his shoulders, was thrown in the worst possible situation, got no help at all, hung out to dry time and time again, had any shred of confidence destroyed, starts to make a comeback, plays very well in the post season in the AHL, even out duals the best goaltender in the league for a while, then gets mind fucked by his coach and benched for no fathomable reason and people still rip on him.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
the kid is held up to his past accomplishments. people/fair weather fans expected him to pop out of junior and solve all the Leafs goalie problems, even if it took a few years in the AHL to become NHL ready. sadly, the Leafs/Marlies coaching situation did not helpand his progress slowed to a death crawl. Hopefully Allaire and co, turn him around before we lose him to the nether regions of pro hockey or worse we lose him to a team that doesn’t fuck around with his development, and suddenly he re-appears on the NHL to fuck with us.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the year i suppose, with a healthy Vesa and the Monster, also some competition with the Marlies we will see if the kid has what it takes mentally.
I’m hoping Allaire gets his mind right because he has a ton of skill
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
also, 23. Some very decent goalies are late bloomers at the pro level, if he can sort himself out, he’s got the time to still make it
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
in Burke’s end of year conference, he said Pogge had all the tools to be a starting NHL goalie except the mental toughness to survive in this market. It’s just too bad that he’s in a town where they run character assassination pieces on him out of the blue as filler.
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This article is so random and so mean-spirited. Basically it’s McKichan being able to get his licks in on the Leafs, fans and Pogge.
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Wendel Clark should get a position with media relations for the MSLE, no one would ever write a bad word again.
I’m still waiting for a scandal when a player writes back to one of these goobers with “dear Mr asshat, get fucked” and watch the media work itself into a froth about the player being unprofessional
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So will everyone else. Shame Roenick is retiring.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 23, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
so looking up stuff on that Steve McKichan, I found the site to his goalie school It appears to be a little out of date:
Under Steve’s guidance, Justin Pogge developed into the WHL MVP, Goaltender of the year in the CHL, and was a star player on the 2005-2006 Canadian World Junior Championship team.
Seems like he took credit for his success’ and takes no credit for his shortcomings to date. Seems shady
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just a tad
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d because I’ll be stealing this for today’s NNN.
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I sense you are foreshadowing a post
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Pogge needs to be given more time. That said, his WJC win is overrated. He played on one of the greatest teams ever. It would have been tough not to win. That probably contributed to increased expectations.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No you are thinking of the year before I believe. You’re referring to the year of the lockout when we had that powerhouse team. The year after when Pogge played, in Vancouver, Canada had a talented team but they went in much more the underdog with lowered expectations of success… the US and Russia were supposed to dominate that year, even Sutter tried to downplay our chances.
Of course we all know how that turned out! :)
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So true! I have been having an on-going argument with a Habs fan about Price vs Pogge, and he always says Pogge is overblown because of the strength of the WJC team. That’ll teach me to trust a Habs fan! In fact the Pogge team and the Price team are quite similar in terms of rosters.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 23, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Mean spirited? Getting your licks in on an opponent not able to fight back?
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for me
it’s not so much hate. I’ve never advocated bailing on the guy, I’d still like to give him the time and adequate coaching to prove he can turn it around.
I say he sucks because, other than that game in Atlanta, he sucked.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
And except for the game in Atlanta, the team in front of him sucked him even harder.
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funny thing about that argument
Luongo played behind a far worse team in FLA.
I’m not comparing Pogge to him skill wise, but when you get the “future franchise goalie” tag applied to you, you better be able to steal game or two.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but even if they were comparable skill wise, Luongo was able to get settled, he knew where he stood. He wasnt bounced back and forth between the AHL and NHL and having his head screwed with by management saying he hadnt earned the starts. Also the obscurity of playing in Florida and for the Florida media is a tiny bit less pressure
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
excuses
if he can play, he’d have played.
if he can’t handle pressure, maybe he’s in the wrong job.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
nope
but if he could play, he’d have shown it
somehow i manage to be the loan voice of opposition on every contentious point around these parts.
i’m gonna shut up now.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
not true, for a while now, ive been the lone voice on the positive Pogge position (try saying that three times fast, also bowchickabowow).
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
You’re a contrarian! And not really, if Eyebeleaf wasn’t on vacation he’d be here telling us Pogge sucks which, based on the numbers, he does. Of course, it doesn’t mean he’ll always stink.
He has the best goalie coach money can buy, increased competition, and a new contract. Let’s see what he can do now!
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and that
has always been my point
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Let the kid play out of the spotlight for a while. Lets go Monster crazy and “oooOOOooOOO Reimer is our hidden gem.”
By 27-28 Pogs may be a starter..who knows…
by theothervatican on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
see, that’s not an argument. Pogge showed he could play, he made some nice saves in those losses. He made nice saves in his win. Saying “well of course he’s young, and admittedly unready, but he still should steal games like an NHL starter because I say so” just… doesn’t make sense. It’s an utter contradiction.
You and eyebleaf can say he sucks till you turn blue, and it won’t mean anything. Yes, he sucked in a few meaningless games on a team that sucked before he was ready in his development. What does that actually mean about his chances as an NHLer? Nothing at all.
Remember, this kid was picked in the last pick of the 3rd round. We won’t know whether or not he’ll have turned out until he’s retired. He doesn’t have any of the pedigree of a Brodeur, Rask, or Mason.
my point
is that he’s not NHL ready, and at times, appears to not be AHL ready.
Was that the fault of coaching? Who knows, but time will tell, and I advocate giving him the time to prove it.
To say everything is the fault of something else is blind excuse making. If he can’t start putting up better numbers, then let’s move on.
The dogged pursuit and signing of Gustavsson should say something to all of us. Burke has little faith in Pogge.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that’s Burke trying to motivate him by ripping him in the press? I certainly don’t discount that possibility.
Yes the early returns on Pogge have been very disappointing, but he’s still young and now has an opportunity to learn under the best goalie coach in the business. I wouldn’t brush off all the factors listed by others above, but they alone don’t explain Pogge’s weak performance. Like most other situations, it’s a combination of everything, and Pogge must accept his share of the blame. Fans also have a right to criticize him, but I think it’s wrong to completely give up on him and call him a worthless bum (and to be fair blurr, I don’t believe you are doing that).
Maybe with Allaire, a better Marlies head coach, and a better attitude on Pogge’s part, Pogge can turn it around. I sure hope so. Bottom line I think it’s too soon to give up on him.
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pressure is but a small part of it,
the major issue was how his team played in front of him. Take the Buffalo game for instance, I remember clearly counting 5 two on one rushes in the first half of the second period, all resulting in insane good scoring chances. and Pogge made some pretty damned good saves, but i dont care who you are, you cant stop em all.
were there bad goals? oh hell yeah, but when everyone else takes the day off, i dont blame him for some mental slips against a team that is being given every chance to score that they want
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry. I don’t buy that comparison at all.
Those early Luongo Florida teams were bad, but the Leafs looked like they weren’t even trying half the time.
There’s a difference between having to make a number of saves because your team can’t get the puck out of your end, and getting hung out to dry all night facing breakaways and 3-on-1s
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you know who else was hung out to dry on a lot of nights
Belfour and Cujo.
The Leafs under Quinn NEVER played d. it was run and gun every night…
anyhoo, i’d say the fact that Burke publicly stated he wasn’t all that keen on resigning him must mean something is wrong with his game play.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, again, not a viable comparison, Belfour and Cujo were two future hall of famers in their prime
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
cujo
went undrafted
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
relevance?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
he didn’t come in with the pedigree Pogge did
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
he came into Toronto with a hell of a track record
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I know the Leafs sent Pogge a qualifying offer, but did Pogge sign it? Does anyone know?
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you know who else was hung out to dry on a lot of nights
Allan Bester.
He was awesome before the bone spurs….
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I say the Leafs as a whole sucked all those games, it wasnt all on Pogge thats for sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Dave Poulin is the new Leafs hire?
http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/2009/07/leafs-add-to-front-office.html
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/it buuuuuuuuuuuurns
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
former Anaheim Ducks scout? It all makes sense. Maybe I can get a job as cappuccino boy with MLSE so Nonis can make me head of scouting for whatever team he GMs in the future.
Meh
Hiring people that you are familiar with isn’t exactly new or a phenomenon isolated to Burke and the Leafs.
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yeah, but the thing is, Burke doesnt just seem to be hiring people he is framiliar with, he is hiring people that he knows are good hockey people. Knowing your shit seems to be a requirement, not just being poker buddies
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
of course
the NHL is a total old boys club, which is why it’s important to worm my way in. I’d never want for employment in my life so long as I didn’t care where I lived.
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Reminds me of one of my all-time favourites from Michael Lewis:
Anyone who wanders into major league baseball can’t help but notice the stark contrast between the field of play and the uneasy space just off it, where the executives and the scouts make their livings. The game itself is a ruthless competition. Unless you’re very good at it, you don’t survive in it. But in the space just off the field of play there really is no level of incompetence that won’t be tolerated.
There are many reasons for this, but the big one is that baseball is structured less as a business than as a social club. The Club includes not only the people in the front office who operate the team but also, in a kind of women’s auxiliary, many of the writers and broadcasters who follow the game and purport to explain it. The Club is exclusive, but the criteria for admission and retention are nebulous. There are many ways to embarrass the Club, but being bad at your job isn’t one of them.
The greatest offense a Club member can commit is not ineptitude but disloyalty. Had he not been an indiscreet writer, Jim Bouton might have made a second career of scouting and coaching big league prospects. But because he wrote Ball Four he was as good as blackballed from the Club.
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LUKE SCHENN SPEAKS
Here is an interview from the golf tourney he played in where he mentions that he loves being physical (CALM DOWN LADIES!) and likes the team’s additions.
Also, 7pm start times so I don’t have to stay up so late recapping the game. Thanks MLSE!
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/swoon
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Each time they do an article on Schenn in the Sun, the sunshine girl ends up pregnant!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
7 pm start times? i’m not kid-free and relaxy until 8:30 at least. looks like lots of PVR’d games for me, and 3rd period appearances in the gameday threads.
I like it, gives me an extra half hour sleep after the games, when you start work at 12-3am that is vital
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Do what I do, watch at normal speed on PVR and just post as normal in the gameday threads. It really confuses everyone else.
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 23, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
thats a better option than those who have to stream it online, being 5 mins behind seems to be really irritating
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
it is. I hope to get a pvr before the season starts. Otherwise I’ll never see more than the third period of a game.
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PVR
What is annoying about PVR is that games are given 2.5 hours (except CBC), but often take about 2:45. So I’ve often ended up missing the last 5min of a game, or overtime, if I don’t remember to record OTR or Sportscentre or whatever is on next. I know it is partly my own fault, but why do they do that? Grrr.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 23, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Always have to edit the hours. That’s what I learned the hard way.
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I like his hair cut.
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Blurr
That intro almost made me weep. It was seriously beautiful!
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aww shucks
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
On behalf of Pogge:
I’m doing this quick, I’m at work, if someone wants to take this and run by all means go for it:
The thing that bothers me about people giving up on Pogge is, like has been said ad nauseam, is that the kid is just 23, and has played all of 7 games in the NHL.
For comparison’s sake, from hockey-reference.com, some numbers to consider (and yes, I know different eras and all that, but again, quick and dirty and the point is to show not all great goalies are great immediately).
Pogge’s first year: (and sorry it doesn’t line up perfectly, again quick and dirty)
Season Age Team Lg GP MIN W L T/OT GA GAA SOG SV SV% SO
2008-09 22 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 7 372 1 4 1 27 4.35 173 146 .844 0
Luongo’s first year:
1999-00 20 New York Islanders NHL 24 1292 7 14 1 70 3.25 730 660 .904 1
Belfour’s first year:
Season Age Team Lg GP MIN W L T/OT GA GAA SOG SV SV% SO
1988-89 23 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 23 1148 4 12 3 74 3.87 605 531 .878 0
CuJo’s first year:
Season Age Team Lg GP MIN W L T/OT GA GAA SOG SV SV% SO
1989-90 22 St. Louis Blues NHL 15 852 9 5 1 48 3.38 435 387 .890
Luongo started out a few years earlier, but Belfour and Cujo were 23 and 22 respectively, neither had a Sv% over .900, and both had GAA in the mid to high threes, over the course of 8 extra (CuJo) to 16 extra (Eddie) games. You’re telling me Pogge’s #s are at least a bit comparable, and wouldn’t have dropped (regression to the mean!) with extra games, perhaps some consistency, and becoming more comfortable? Even Luongo (though 20 years old) had a mid threes GAA and Sv% of only .904.
I’d love to get game logs to see the first 7 games of each players respective career.
There is no point, not one, that I can think of to give up on him, and to say he sucks (and won’t get better) is jumping to gun by far in my opinion.
by lordosis on Jul 23, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
3 points on Pogge
Pogge isn’t very good right now. There’s no disputing that.
Rightly or wrongly he was given the "next franchise goalie" tag. Our expectations for him were probably too high.
Not being in the NHL at 23 doesn’t mean your career is over, especially if you’re a goalie. Maybe 3 years of personal maturing, as well as tutelage under Allaire, will get Pogge back on track.
no denying Pogge isnt NHL ready, he definetly isnt. has his development been stunted? maybe, he may have maxed his full potential, no one will know. This year will be very telling. Personally I believe the kid has all the skill to be a viable NHL number one. But he needs to get his head right
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Thomas part 2!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 23, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s not just the NHL. His AHL numbers aren’t exactly stellar either.
He definitely needs more time, and could very well be a great goalie some day. Right now, not so much.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
And he definitely is NOT ready for the NHL, that is blatantly obvious. But no point in writing off his NHL career either. That’s all I’m getting at. If he were a prospect for any other team, with a smaller and less caring fan base, no one would be slagging him. Give him time, that’s all I ask. If we’re having the same conversation when he’s 25, that may be a different story.
who said
he won’t get better?
I know I never did. I said time will tell, and let’s give him the time. Even as as anti-Pogge guy, I was still an advocate of resigning him…
sheesh
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't a post to anyone in particular
I really only browsed the comments and stuff. It’s just stories like the National Post one really irk me.
I’ve even read comments on the interweb saying Tlusty hasn’t produced at the NHL level, let’s trade him! I just get irritated when we rush the few prospects we have.
fair enough
my apologies. as the resident “contrarian” my feathers are ruffled…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t support trading Pogge
But that’s mainly because we would get absolutely nothing for him
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Is there a possibility to loan him to a European club? Get him out of the spotlight and even the NHL for now. Let him go off, see some culture, play for a small market team and come back when he is ready a la Tim Thomas. We could loan him to the Monster’s old team :)
by theothervatican on Jul 23, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
heh
Unfortunately the CBA wouldn’t allow it plus the AHL’s better than those leagues for him.
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No need to apologize, I like these discussions, and I like that we have a community where they can take place rationally and intelligently (go flyers??).
We need the season to start so that some of these issues can get resolved.
Bingo
That would be great.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
/digs foxhole
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
dont cross the streams!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
just ask Brittany
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s like a baby’s arm holding an apple.
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by kidkawartha on Jul 23, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SUNDIN IS THE BEST LEAF EVER!!!!!!!!!
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
/gets out debating gloves
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Put em away Jared
Let is slide… she does live in Vancouver after all
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needs more tinfoil
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
mine are also blue and white
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
SUNDIN IS THE BEST LEAF EVER!!!!!!!!!
You just made a statement in which I cannot disagree with.
The universe is about to implode.
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I’M SCARED!!!!
I WANT MY MOMMY!!!!!!
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
ARMAGEDDON!!!!!!1 TOO RICKY!!!!
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cujo’s first season was in the 80’s. That tells you all you need to know about the save pctg.
The Blues had him and Vince Reindeau as goalies in the playoffs against the Leafs. Joseph was outstanding and to my eyes easily the best of the two. He did in a knee in that series and Reindeau took over. For some reason, the Blues then decided he was the backup and floundered for two seasons until they let Joseph be Joseph.
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Wow.
I want to change my vote in Chemmy’s post. You’ve convinced me that I was wrong to be ready to let Pogge go. Nicely done, especially the “regression to the mean” bit.
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So
what’s with this Poulin signing?
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Burkie bringing in another one of his Duck cronies
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
QUACK
QUACK.
QUACK.
QUACK.
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He was always a better coach than a player
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triple deak!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
the mighty ducks trancends logic
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Slow as molasses?
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Allison is slower than frozen molasses
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Allison is the source of molasses
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
allison pee’s molasses
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Replacing Nieuwendyk. He’s another guy with good NCAA connections.
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Ah okay. That makes sense.
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Poulin
is on the Fan right now.
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This has been an angry morning. Do we need to all watch All Heart and cool off for a little while?
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Ive been watching that hf vid too much, truculence overload
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
i keep watching the Gary Roberts:Senator Slayer vid on DGB’s site…
good times
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
forgetting to put it on mute is the major blame here
Nickleback angers the blood and stings the nostrils
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn’t notice the nickleback, my default youtube volume is mute…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Nickleback is the best band in the world! Go Flyers!
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by stucky on Jul 23, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
wow, why did it take this long for someone to come up with that?
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Freebird!!!! Go Flyers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet Home Alabama is about Philly! Go Flyers!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
That’s very nice
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He's Not
It’s a trap!
Wait until you read the uncivilised NNN this afternoon.
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A NNN sighting?
WOOOO!!!
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ah, he’s filtering out the last drops of civility to make it extra truculent
excellent
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
This needs to be said
PPP needs a logo to appear at the top of my browser and on my bookmarks bar. Too long I’ve stared at the little white sheet of paper. Hell, steal Mirtle’s crease logo for all I care, but get one! Do it!
mine changes
it’s kind of weird, but when i cruise through SBN sites, the last one before i go back to PPP ends up being the logo to my shortcut…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Mine does that too!
Currently the PPP logo is the logo from MLBdailydish..
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Too much sadness
going to that site. I’m not going back until this Halladay mess is sorted one way or the other.
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A Favicon?
I will look into it.
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Favicon? never heard the term, odd.
Even just something like three Ps overlapping on a downward slope or something. Or have a user submitted contest, and then have people vote on it.
I personally think it should just be a Wendel moustache. That’d be awesome.
I’ve whined about this in the past. My favicon for PPP has somehow defaulted to the blogspot logo. OG I suppose.
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my facebook one changes to blogspot.
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I agree. I needs some puppets in my toolbar..
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well how conveniant
Via the hot stove Pogge officially signed to a two way 600k one year deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks. When I asked earlier if Pogge had signed his QO I was wondering if the recent turn to the media was Burke’s way of turning up the heat.
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possible, the comments on that site have me thinking, maybe he becomes part of a trade to Vancouver. I dont see the Nucks trading Schneider but throwing Pogge in might entice them
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see a Vancouver deal happening.
Schneider is waiver exempt so he can slide back and forth between the NHL and the AHL as the team requires.
What the ’Nucks needed was a goalie earning league minimum who can ride the pines, open the door, and most importantly, get transferred to and from the AHL without any worry of being a waiver wire claim.
Raycroft is the ideal man for that job.
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yah, i dont see it happening, but it gets the wheels turning a might
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I would stop the wheels. The discussion started because one guy said that Burke told Bruce Power workers that Pogge was going to be traded.
First off, not likely.
Second, what possible value could Pogge have right now?
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yah, not saying the comment has any merit what so ever, just that it got my brain going in that direction.
Like you said, Pogge’s value is negligible, his only value would be as part of a package.
My ever present need to make up possible deals went into over drive picturing a Kabby + Pogge to Vancouver for Kessler, Schneider and Raymond and then Schneider and Finger going to LA for Frolov etc etc etc
just more fat to chew on in the dog days of summer, keeps me sharp….and crazy
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
mmmm
fat
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Colour me skeptical
The report is the Cap Geek website and the official site hasn’t even announced it.
Meanwhile, they had the Poulin signing up 17 minutes before the presser. They had the Boyce and Foster signings up around 3pm yesterday and Deveaux’s around 5pm on Tuesday.
Nikhil says that he’s noted that Cap Geek’s had contract info up before other news groups so this’ll be an interesting case to keep an eye one.
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Plus, they don’t have the Kyle Brodziak signing up yet
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my skeptical colored crayon is just about done…
one too many cup parade maps drawn in that shade
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what it says about the site’s sources:
CapGeek.com uses league, team and player sources for details on contracts signed on June 30 or later. It also relying on trustworthy Internet and newspaper reports. Chip McCleary is the source for all entry-level contracts and two-way deals signed prior to June 30.
So it’ll be interesting to check this one against what they have. The rest of the site is super informational so I don’t think they are making it up but another source would be great.
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so
no one caught me putting the Pogge and Centomo links side by side
i win? :)
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
i chose to let that one slide, had enough coal raking
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
/opportunity for example making sighted
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
theres this “water boarding” thing ive been hearing about, thinking about giving it a try
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke is quoted as saying in the press conference for the Poulin hiring he is nowhere close to trading Kaberle and fully expects him in the lineup come opening night this season
Yeah, consistent with his position that it would take a tonne to get him and that he’d immediately be trying to replace him.
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I like it, its a very “you want him, come and get him” type of stance, if someone wants Kaberle, they are going to have to man up moose
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
“you know what we need? a top forward? let’s trade kaberle for one.”
2 months later….
“you know what we really need? a top puck-moving defencemen. where can we get one?”
it just doesn’t make sense.
i’d also argue that while there are no guarantees, our current group of prospects is more likely to produce a top 6 forward than a #1 puck-moving D.
the recent post on Kulemin’s potential has me more than content to wait it out.
still, if Burke can get a king’s ransom for Kaberle, i wouldn’t hate it.
i don’t think any one of us is openly advocating trading Kaberle for the sake of trading him.
to your other point, I think Steve has made some excellent counterpoints to the loss of Kaberel’s production from a points perspective.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t think any one of us is openly advocating trading Kaberle for the sake of trading him.
So what you’re saying is I can be the first?
/ducks
it was nice knowing you
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if Burke gets a king’s ransom, i’m on board as well, even though i’ll really miss him.
and i’m not so much concerned with kaberle’s points as i am with his ability to control the flow of the game. kuba got lots of powerplay points in ottawa, but their offence struggled because he (and the rest of their D) wasn’t able to move the puck out of their zone effectively.
yah, and thats probably why Burke hasnt pulled the trigger on anything, he wants someone to over pay (prospect, young good roster player, high pick) so he can either use his plethora of assets to attain a Kabby replacement or compensate for it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i still can’t figure out if he’s posturing or not.
that’s the one drawback to having a media savvy GM I guess…
either way, we win.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to trade 2 d-men according to Burke. I hope one of them isn’t Kaberle.
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other than Kaberle, that pretty much leaves White, Finger and VanRyan, I dont see Frogren going anywhere because he has a 2 way
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are chatting too quiclly in the CC so my phone freezes when I try to comment :(
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You’re pissing all our comments. We’re Raven’ about you.
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oops that should be missing.
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team Mats FTW!!!!!1
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
both responses
get the knowing smile from Burkie Claus. in fact, the correct response to any question ever is this:
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I know something you dont know!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo me all you want, LeBlanc is a terrible pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
too truculent for vowels.
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if I ever met Brian Burke, I would gove him a big hug.
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So
who’s Brake Derehowsky?
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Mamie Jacouan here
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 23, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Hiklas Nagman
since Chemmy stole my Tarcy Ducker…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Stole? http://darcytucker.blogspot.com
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¿stole?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
stol-i?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Berg!!!1 wait, am I doing it wrong?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Carlo Coliacovo!
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by blurr1974 on Jul 23, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dick Duff!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 23, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me,
Or is the fact that “The passion that unites us all” is on a backdrop of what looks like blue pleather annoying?
Shouldn’t it be granite , or a wallpaper of Wendel’s moustache or something?
Here’s one that mixes Metallica and the Leafs-
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Now all we need is someone with Photoshop skills
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I was hoping
you’d see that.
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Canes overpay Ruutu….
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by Karina on Jul 23, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Dr. Steve
made me want Kessel even more…..
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