Breaking News: Toronto Maple Leafs Trade Anton Stralman, Colin Stuart for Wayne Primeau
by Chemmy on Jul 27, 2009 6:46 PM EDT
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The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded Anton Stralman and Colin Stuart to Calgary for Wayne Primeau UPDATE: The Leafs also get a 2nd rounder in 2011 to make this trade slightly more palatable and they give up a 7th rounder in 2012 to make it less palatable. I always thought Stralman would be a great puck moving defenseman and a good replacement for Kaberle so off the bat I really despise this deal.
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The one memory I have of Wayne Primeau is the time his big brother Keith beat the shit out of him in Hartford.
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Ben Hankinson, the USA Director of Player Representation for Octagon Hockey just tweeted that the Toronto Maple Leafs have traded defencemen Anton Stralman and winger Colin Stuart to the Calgary Flames for centreman Wayne Primeau. This move helps clear a spot on the Leafs' blueline as well as bring them down a contract further from the limit of 50 not that I like the way in which these important goals were met.
Colin Stuart wasn't a gem of a player by any stretch of the imagination but his departure definitely solidifies the notion that the Kubina trade was more about clearing salary cap space. That space was then used to bolster the defence corps which I guess made Stralman expendable despite the fact that he was waiver-exempt and could have benefitted from a year as the top dog with the Marlies. Not to mention that he was a restricted free agent after this season so the Leafs gave up a cheap defenceman that they could control salary-wise and showed offensive potential every time he played for the Leafs.
And what did they get back? In Wayne Primeau, they picked up a 33 year old that has played 24 and 43 games over the past two seasons, has never scored more than nine goals a game 11 goals in a season which explains why I am so upset much better, and has not been a plus player since 2003 despite this scouting report on his player page:
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I think that Brian Burke has taken the notion of competition a bit too far as the Leafs now have about 15 centres vying for that 3rd line role and no one really suited for the first line role. And what do opposition fans think? Well, friend of the blog and the object of Puck Daddy's commenters' affections Two-Line Pass is happy:
Almost certainly true and 100% awesome RT @benhankinson Calgary trades C Wayne Primeau to Toronto for LW Colin Stuart and D Anton Stralman.
Any time an opposition fan is happy you know that you are in trouble. I have to hold out hope that this deal is just one step towards a bigger and more important deal because otherwise this one stinks. Calgary saved about $400K under the cap which despite being pennies still helps Old Man Sutter with his salary cap mess AND they give up a guy that didn't play for them the last two years (essentially) and was not facing tough competition at even strength and is terrible.
What are your thoughts on this move?
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 27, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only thing I could find about this debacle
http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/279256.html
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That is in fact French confirmation that this deal was made.
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And as I read it… with no other “additions”, picks or anything…
Hockey ain't fun unless it's dirrrty, kids.
I just hope it’s because they rushed to get the story up…
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that is the first thing ive heard that has made sense
the lack of hockey news and all
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
this makes no goddamned sense
It solves nothing.
The Leafs give up a young prospect for a 4th line grinder, which there is already a surpluse of
The defense is STILL a huge log jam on defense because straleman wasnt even penciled in to be in the NHL line up
no sense at all
i cant bring myself to believe this is how it stands
now
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
Sense
This makes none.
Wayne Primeau’s famous moment came when he was part of the 40 cents that was traded to get Joe Thornton out of Boston. I figured he’s been living happily anonymous in Calgary since then.
Jesus this is dumb. Stuart isn’t very much, but Stralman too? Fuckin’ A,
There better be picks coming our way, or a prospect or something.
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I hope there’s something. The Leafs just gave Calgary two cheap players that will help with the salary cap disaster that Darryl Sutter has created and they get a guy that’s been crap all of his career?
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yeah, how much was the lesser premeau making?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sorry
what just happened…? i blacked out for a second there and thought i heard Primeau for Stuart and Stralman.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
Welcome back.
And yeahhhhhhh about that….
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 27, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And no, it’s not 2004 Keith Primeau.
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yea, bad deal
What do we need a 33 yo journeyman that can not stay healthy or score any points for. All this will do is take playing time away from some of the college players Burke signed, and I would rather see them get some xp and give us some future.
If Anton is now gone maybe that means Kabs is staying put ?
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Thanks for joining. This deal does in fact make little sense in that it is a shitty way to get one defencemen out of the picture (that could have been sent to the Marlies) and it gives the Leafs one more contract to play with under the 50 contract limit.
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frogren, sure, Finger, why not, but not your number one defensive prospect
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
well
isn’t that still, technically, Schenn?
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn is a certifiable NHLer Straleman still hand to cross that line
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I do believe Stralman’s played as many games…
just saying, it’s hard to draw that line.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
id say it comes down to earning a spot, straleman needed to develop, schenn was already there
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well
Schenn’s still developing, he’s just got a much higher ceiling so that he can be top 4 even where he is now.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
of course, Schenn is just going to get better, but then so will crosby, they are both already in the unquestionable NHLer status
Straleman was not
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck, just bury Van Ryn in the minors and let Frogren go instead! WHY STRALMAN!
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little…
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 27, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
Expressing how I feel in gif form;
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 27, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
oh benjamin sisko, you look how i feel
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
is it bad that the first thing i did was instinctively pour myself a very very very strong drink?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
no
because you have to have one for me, too
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m off in 5 minutes and i’ll quickly be following suit
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
what the...?
there’s a bigger deal brewing here… there has to be.
But crap, I do NOT want to see Stralman killing us while wearing the flaming C…
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
HEY REMEMBER THAT AWESOME PROSPECT WE TRADED AWAY?
WELL IT HAPPENED AGAIN
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
given his play at the worlds, I really think Anton can become a really good, puck moving defenseman.
(starts praying he decides he’d rather play in the KHL)
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
two words
Brad Boyes
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Boyes
Brad Boyes
Watcha gonna do?
Watcha gonna do
when he scores on you?
Brad Boyes
Brad Boyes
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 27, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerk. :)
And let’s definitely do a Bruins-fan MBA in a few weeks, CH. I’ll let you know.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 27, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the salt-in-the-wound thing that was the point.
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I just like the song.
If I was going to put salt in a wound, I’d be talking about Rask.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 27, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s still time to swap Gustavsson for Raycroft.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s going to be ok! We will get through this!
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I could go back to wishing something would happen with the leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
File this under: Be Careful What You Wish For
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where
is my trident!?!?!?!
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was quite happy to see nothing happening.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we wake up and this was all just some silly misunderstanding… like instead it was suppose to be "Chief Sutter trades Wayne Primeau for a straw man and a picture of Jennifer Love Hewitt. "
Sounds more proportionate…
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 27, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Just in case there’s a silver lining here, here’s some JLH-related humour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuNCkgGVnOM&feature=channel_page
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Cue Rhaen laughter and the acquistion of the second round pick.
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hysterical laughter at the fact the Flames are giving away picks like it’s Halloween… next year they’re going to be the house with nothing but raisins…
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You guys realize we were going to lose Stralman for nothing, right?
After the Kubina trade, we had 10 defencemen:
Kaberle, Schenn, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Exelby, FInger, Frogren, White, Oreskovic, and Stralman.
Any way you slice it, Stralman would not have been in the top 7, so we would have been sent to the Marlies. Stralman signed his 1st pro contract at 21, and he’s played more than 80 games, so he’s not waiver-eligible. Oreskovic sitll is, and Finger’s contract should get him through waivers no problem if we need him to. But Stralman is young, cheap and MIGHT turn into a homeless man’s Kaberle. Someone would have snapped him up.
Colin Stuart is a non-entity. And I can’t fucking believe that somebody was lamenting the loss of Tim Stapleton.
It’s crazy how totally opposite this is of the Pogge situation. The majority of us think Pogge deserves another chance because he hasn’t got a fair shake. Well, Stralman did, and I wasn’t impressed.
I’d rather Burke take a loss on a D trade like this, than giving away somebody like White or Van Ryn.
Chill the fuck out, y’all.
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but
Stralman is younger and cheaper than both, I’d rather keep White, but I don’t see a place for Van Ryn and his injuries.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm I think we need a confirmation on his waiver eligibility because I was pretty sure that he was waiver exempt.
I think that we all agree that Stuart’s nothing in this deal or in the other and same with Stapleton.
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Nope, I checked NHLsCap.
Stralman signed his first pro contract at age 21. At 21, the rule is 3 season or 80 NHL games. Stralman has played 2 seasons, and 88 games.
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This HFBoards thread has him as waiver exempt. The plot thickens.
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He signed a two-way deal. It doesn’t matter how many games he plays, he’s waiver exempt till next summer.
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Thanks
Ok, there we go.
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first
he’d need to be exposed to waivers.
there are ways around it. and, i’d much rather he game away van ry and saved us $3M more in cap space for a guy we’re going to get 15 games out of if we’re lucky…
so ya, this trade still sucks genius.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Van Ryn could go through waivers untouched, Frogren could go, there was never a threat of losing him for nothing.
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So, you’re telling me that Calgary, a team that is well known throughout the league as way tight against the cap, had leverage in this situation by still getting a cheap young defenseman for a forward that was making more money than he should by virtue of being injured, old, and a bottom-six forward? This is a bad trade simply by virtue of once again, the Leafs being unable to capitalize on their trade assets and trading them at their proverbial worst value. Stralman wasn’t worth much at this point, and this trade absolutely shows that the Leafs didn’t really bother on upping his value. That’s terrible asset management.
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Essentially, this trade is now 2 parts.
First part: a 27 year-old plug for a 33 year-old plug (giving us a little more veteran presence on a still-young team)
Second part: Stralman & a 7th rounder for a 2nd rounder.
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heres the thing
WE DONT NEED ANYMORE PLUGS!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well
seeing the picks we get back, it’s OK…. I don’t think Primeau will be on our roster any more than Stuart would have been.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
re-signing Devereaux would have been free.
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Yes, but he would have been a constant reminder that we could have had Brayden Schenn
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The draft picks changes things, of course. But that wasn’t how the trade was initially construed, nor did your original justification of the trade ever bring that part up.
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I was reserving full judgment until I saw TSN or Sportsnet confirm, but I understood why Stralman would be an odd man out.
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Fair enough. And I’m not a big fan of either White or Van Ryn, which is why I wasn’t opposed to seeing them moved before Stralman. My response was clearly going by the original report.
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Can I like the ’stache and not White, or is that not allowed?
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That does make it seem a little bit better.
Still don’t like the deal on its own merits though.
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I think the best part of this trade is that it actually subtracts goals for from our roster. Last year: Stralman 1, Primeau 0. Keeping our offseason addition goal totals at what, 3?
Well, to be fair, Primeau was injured most of the season.
I’ve yet to see this confirmed in the major (English) press, but as a Flames fan, I hope it is true. Not because Primeau is a bad player, but because we’ve got about a half dozen kids on the farm who can play that role for half the price.
Not because Primeau is a bad player, but because we’ve got about a half dozen kids on the farm who can play that role for half the price.
Coincidentally that is exactly why we fucking hate this deal.
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Me no likee.
I think we could have got more for Stralman.
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I don't
but I’d prefer a draft pick over a roster player that we already have like 3 of.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Stralman and a 7th for a 2nd? I’ll take it.
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http://flames.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=457737
Ah yes… there’s more…
“Calgary Flames General Manager Darryl Sutter announced today the acquisition Toronto Maple Leafs forward Colin Stuart and defenseman Anton Stralman along with Toronto’s 7th round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft in exchange for forward Wayne Primeau and Calgary’s 2nd round pick in 2011.1”
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ahhh
the 2nd round pick. Excellent.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
somewhat
but I am still unhappy that Stralman left.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can live with it. I like Stralman’s potential, but it’s pretty obvious that there’s no space for him on our blueline.
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yeah
I just really, really hate seeing our prospects bloom elsewhere.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
But there is space. MVR won’t be here long-term, Frogren won’t be here after this season, and, to be brutally honest, I don’t think White’s around long-term either.
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Actually, make that Oreskovic. I think White stays.
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I am pretty convinced that White and one of Finger and VanRyan will not be a Leaf by the start of the season
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I still have a feeling that White will stick around.
Although, if all White could get at the trade deadline was a 2nd round pick, Burke turning Stralman into a 2nd round pick is rather brilliant.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
also, straleman has the same value as antro and moore!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well Stralman + 7th round pick.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, what the fuck!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Burke essentially paid about $400K for a 2nd rounder. Last year he paid around that for a 4th rounder.
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Stralman for a mid-to-low second, not a bad trade
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
Here’s an article from when Stralman signed
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At 6-1, 190 pounds, the Leafs believe Stralman can fit the up-tempo style favoured by coach Paul Maurice.
“He’s a real fluid two-way defenceman, good positionally, moves the puck well,” said Ferguson. “Strong skater, he’s really improved in the last two years.”
Burkie no likee Maurice defencemen.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
seriously
the only holdover on the list of who we had when Stralman was signed is Kaberle.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Being one of the more positive members of LeafNation, I’m going to go on record and say that this move will ultimately be for two things-
1. To replace next year’s loss of the 2nd round pick.
2. To clear out a contract to make room for Burkie’s final trade (for top-6 forward) before the season starts.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
If it becomes part of a larger move it’s a better trade just like the Kubina one was better because it let the Leafs get Komisarek and Beauchemin.
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I agree with point one, but I doubt Burke will land a top 6 forward though
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
That’s where the “optimism” part kicks in.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
I would rather Burke clear the dead weights like Stempniak and Mayers to give our younger guys more room, rather than go after a “top sixer”
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Im willing to give Stempniak another year to get his shit together (a la Blake) but Mayers needs to go
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Stempniak is really pretty young, actually…
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he was about as old as Stapleton and I would rather have seen him play more for the Leafs
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
but
Stapleton is small and has never produced at the NHL level.
Suckniak had a poor year last year but has put up points previously
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Size doesn’t maker as much in the “new” NHL, just look at Wellwood, small and pudgy. He shouldn’t even be allowed to skate since he might crack the ice
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
Kriv has obviously never heard of 4500 psi reinforced concrete.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
you obviously have never seen Wellwood eat
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
you
obviously don’t know Brian Burke if you don’t think size matters.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
TWSS!
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 27, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
that is what I, a she, said.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the point has gotten lost
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
I’m actually monitoring more closely about Burke slowly but surely ridding the team of more Europeans than the size thing to be honest.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
I would be inclined to agree
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
I find this slightly disturbing, but yes, I see it too.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
When did we hire Don Cherry as head of human resources?
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- Major Mike Shearer
by article1 on Jul 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stapleton was going to be a marginal player. I don’t really see him being a huge factor with the Thrashers either.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
me either. I loved seeing him play for the Marlies, but there were reasons he never performed like that in his call-upps.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is one of the great fracture lines in LeafNation. Fast as possible rebuild, or slow development build, or a little of both.
Sometimes I sense that Burkie has even less patience than I, and I’m certifiable on that issue.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
yeah, he seems to being doing thing in fast forward. My fear is it ends up like the Quinn Leafs… I don’t think we need a complete rebuild, I would just like to know first whats in the cupboard before we go looking to make deals.
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
Well, to be fair, our prospects cupboard is fuller than it’s been in a long time.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
not on the defensive side really,
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
all the more reason to trade for Belak
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by Kriv on Jul 27, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he’s gonna try his damnest, weather it comes to fruition or not is another thing all together, just like the draft I think he is gonna do all he can, but wont over pay
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I still dont like this
wayne fucking premeau….
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
Well the Marlies do need a Captian
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by Kriv on Jul 27, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
???… link please
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
Haven’t read it anywhere, but how else do you explain this trade?
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
peyote
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
no one thought it was real, sounds too much like a good joke
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish I could score 9 goals a game...
“And what did they get back? In Wayne Primeau, they picked up a 33 year old that has played 24 and 43 games over the past two seasons, has never scored more than nine goals a game…”
Just going to go out on a limb and say you meant season?
by theothervatican on Jul 27, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
has never scored more than nine goals a game
MVP!!! MVP!!! MVP!!!
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I saw that too, surprised it took half way down for someone to note it.
9 goals a game, that’s hot shit right there
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean we’re keeping Kaberle, then?
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
well I don’t think this necesserily means we’re keeping Kaberle, but I do think we’re keeping him.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I’ll be fine with the Stralman trade if it means Kabby’s here next year.
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
Will you still be after Kaberle signs with a contender and Stralman breaks out in Calgary?
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no room for him in Calgary
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not now!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but Calgary’s top 4 is signed long term its gonna be hard for Strlaman to do anything
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top 4?
they have Regehr, Phaneuf and Bouwmeester… who else?
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarich isn’t really a #4 D. I’d say their top 3 are set, 4-7 are open for competition.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
acoin?
sarich?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ah yes, i knew one of em got traded, couldnt remember who or be bothered to look it up
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he was UFA, actually
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d eat cupcakes from Lombardi anytime.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d play him over Staffan Kronwall
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
huh, I didn’t know Kornwall was now in Calgary too
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Calgary- yet another happy home for Leaf castoffs. See, Tampa Bay, St. Louis.
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hehe kornwall
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair Kornwall did get pinched off of waivers
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
and
then was a UFA
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke's Philosophy
Look back to his time in Anaheim, and you’ll see that this is the way that Burke prefers to build his blueline. He’d much rather prefer to have proven veterans on defense and have younger guys up front. He doesnt like developing defensemen from within… that’s what free agency and trades are for. (Luke Schenn is the exception, Strahlman is NOT Schenn).
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Premeau only makes 1.14 mil a year what was stewarts salary?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
we’re helping Calgary with their salary cap
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
600k doesnt seem like much of a salary dump, even if they chuck steward into the minors they are still pretty screwed cap wise
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And they’re returning the favour by helping us out of territory unfamiliar to Leaf fans – having quality prospects.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Colin Stuart’s 27, and couldn’t crack fuckin ATLANTA’s lineup on a regular basis.
Stralman’s 23, and has spent his entire pro career shuttling up and down the Lakeshore.
This isn’t exactly Naslund for Stojanov.
Resident Capologist
I don’t know enough about Stuart to care about that part of it. Stralman has legitimate potential. Are you really going to count the assignment of roster spots and ice time for defensmen under Paul Maurice against him? Against anybody? He may be 23, but he’s had exactly one year of anything you can consider proper consideration, hardly enough to throw a guy under the bus about.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me crazy but I only see 2 options.
1) Burke is as bad a GM as his detractors have been telling us for the last 15 months.
2) TANK!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing he has done will make the team better next year. Gustavson is the only real wildcard, if he’s just average we get a top 3 pick.
I doubt it, we have decent offense and now a solid defense, I’d be surprised if we picked in the top 10
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Decent offense? We’re still talking about the Leafs, right?
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
10th in the NHL in goals last year, thats pretty decent
even with the subtractions from this year they’d have been int he top half
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
10th highest scoring team in the league last season. Yeah, were still taking about Leafs. Our offense didn’t kill us last season our defense did.
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
and goaltending.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was more of the defense, they let our 4 out to dry way to many times
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Wasn’t the combined save percentage something like 87%? Hard to pin that on the D.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
blocked shot totals
might indicate a lot of those “good shots” weren’t hitting the net. In fact if you consider the fact that Leaf netminders faced fewer shots and let in more goals… well… yeah they blew.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing is, on its own. But when it’s that low, you have to at least acknowledge something doesn’t smell right. Doesn’t necessarily mean there isn’t anything else wrong (and I wouldn’t argue in favour of last year’s D in absolute terms), but you shouldn’t let the goalies off the hook either.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it was
an all around team effort. you don’t just wake up and suck that bad, it takes hard work and every guy striving to be that awful
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Seen on TMLfans
Someone will correct me if I’m mistaken I hope. Didn’t Stralman do a newspaper interview back home saying that he was leaning towards coming home after his contract expired this year if he wasn’t getting significant ice-time in the NHL this season? I vaguely remember something like that and thinking that may be his ticket out of town if BB felt he was being dictated to about playing time and/or a spot on the parent club. I think it was shortly before this years World Championships…
That may help explain things. Anyone remember this?
yeah
I do, which is why I said above that I hope Stralman goes to play in Europe instead of with the Flames.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
that would make me very happy, then we’d win this deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Even then, it’s pretty Burkian to give someone away so they can get a chance to play.
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- Major Mike Shearer
we seem
to be coming around to a rational understanding of this deal, instead of the freak-out we had to start with
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I think Steve’s post below is a rational and fair assessment of the trade.
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
If Chemmy is still contemplating jumping from some random American building, someone go talk him down.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
I think he’s more likely to shoot someone than kill himself, tbh.
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
if its the Empire state building, people never hit the ground they always slam against those edges/ledges sticking out the side of the building
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I'll write more about this later...
But at this point I’m thinking 2 things.
1. Colin Stuart for Wayne Primeau is a wash. Primeau has more NHL experience, Stuart is 5 years younger. They’re both spare parts at this point.
2. Anton Stralman and a 7th rounder for a 2nd rounder sounds about right. Stralman wasn’t going to play on the Leafs this season, and while he could spend another year on the Marlies, he was going to chafe down there. He came over to North America expecting to play in the NHL, and I think that has something to do with this. It’s sort of like how Burke let Kronwall go on waivers last season.
I wish Stralman the best of luck in Calgary, and frankly I hope he turns out to be a solid NHL citizen for them.
As for the Leafs end of things – if the 2nd round pick takes shape as a player down the line I won’t mind this one bit. Stralman never caught on here, and I don’t think Wilson was a huge fan.
Wilson and Burke like big blue liners, and Stralman, while not small, isn’t particularly sizable or physical.
In the end it doesn’t change things a lot for the Leafs next season, and we have another draft pick a year from now.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
but
Stralman was the next Lidstrom!!!! (cries)
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
dont worry, that 2nd round pick will be the next…..really good second round pick…guy…person
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I see it more as Stuart +7th = Primeau
and Stralman = 2nd
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Well really with my way
It’s two 7th rounders for a 2nd rounder. I’d do that deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s disappointing to those of us who were clinging to the hope that Kaberle would be cashed in for a quality forward, with the idea being that Stralman steps into the space he leaves down the line. Not a valueless move, but it makes it fairly clear that that isn’t going to happen, which is tough to swallow.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
all hope lies with Ian whites moustachulence
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
I kind of supported that plan, but considering Burke’s stance and the lack of offers for Kaberle, I’m not that shocked.
I wanted White to be the trading chit, but I suppose it’s neither here nor there at this point. If White improves again this season, then I’ll be less annoyed with them keeping him around. I’m taking a wait and see approach over the next 4-5 years.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want to look at it like that, but I just can’t convince myself Kaberle doesn’t walk as a free agent (unless the team turns around insanely fast before then, which I’m not counting on). I tend to think of this summer as the last chance to get anything for him. Stralman had time.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted White to be the trading chit
I fully support this spelling typo.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
I think if Kaberle doesn’t go, White will and the logjam will be somewhat cleared
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
According to...
Paul Maurice and JFJ if I recall.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
well im calmed down now, but i am going to continue drinking, just in case
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
ditto
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s safe.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to go back to marking exams
If one of these kids turns out to be the Leafs next capologist we’re all in realllll trouble.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
to the future!
/drinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Have they been drinking petrol, too?
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- Major Mike Shearer
Yes, I was drinking gasoline, MOTHER.
by Godd Till on Jul 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
I was never really that impressed with Stralman. I don’t think he realistically figured prominently in any Cup-winning plans, Kaberle or not. With a logjam at D, I therefore say gathering up another second rounder = good.
Worst part of the trade? The possibility that Wayne Primeau pulls on a Leafs jersey, even for a photo op.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I’ll just pretend he’s Keith.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
just pixilate the face
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
just pixilate the face
In Keith Primeau’s case, I believe nature took care of that for us.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Jul 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
except it wasn’t nature it was…. wait, who was it that dealt him the final hit that ended his career?
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s start a pool at who would buy that jersey here in PPP.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
better yet
let’s raise a collection to have Chemmy buy the jersey
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Better make it a Marlies jersey
Please……….
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Just another reason why...
KABERLE IS STAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Burke’s thinking playoffs (!!!!1). I’m all for it. We get Primeau, and a 2nd round pick. He gets to play on our 4th line, instead of one useless Brad May, and we get a decent draft pick out of it.
Stralman? Whatever.
PLAYOFFS!!!!!1
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nah, we dont need kabby, who needs offense anyways? its not like its a goal scoring competition
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the issue with a 4th line of Primeau, Mayers and Orr?
Both Primeau and Mayers have expiring contracts, too.
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no issue, since that line will just be there to punch people in the face
even though apparently premeau cant do that
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
neither can Mayers, not once last season do I remember him throwing down
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
I think he did, but lost….
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
he tuned up kostopalopalopalous for vanryans revenge
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected he fought Kostopo…. He fought a guy who doesn’t usual fight, and it was only once
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it was still awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayers actually fought a few times...
did quite well for himself typically also.
He’s just a middleweight is all.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i love pointing out
that Mayers beat on the Bruins “heavyweight” Shawn thornton last season
he can fight, he can hit, he plays with broken bones through pain. he might be overpaid, but i still think there are a few others i’d rather be rid of before him
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lets start the list then
1.?
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
Stajan
2. Blake
3. Stempniak
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake is (besides form Poni) our only top 6 guy.
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
shhhh
you’ll kill my buzz
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabbo is top 6!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
righto
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
just you wait! 25 40 point man we have there!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but only sometimes, then he turns into Stempniak the other time
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nah, grabbo never dissapears, he just flys around bouncing off things comically
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
serious
he’s indestructible
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he is made of some sort of secret cold war metal that is impervious to attack
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
what? What about that month where he didn’t register a goal
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he was busy
bouncing off stuff
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
eh, it happens, everyone goes through cold streaks
Grabbo is awesome, full stop
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also old
And didn’t do crap last year without Dominic Moore.
Last I checked, Moore is no longer on the team.
So much for Jason Blake.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He played just as well with Mitchel
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no he didn't.
And I think the sample size is a tad small to draw that conclusion… he was on Mitchell’s wing for like a week?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore
had like 35+ points playing alongside Blake.
Mitchell had like 14 points all season.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Stajan
Van Ryn
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
White’s up there for me. But I just plain dislike him. The mustache saved him from being absolutely vilified.
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you're right
i hated him, then he shaved his head and grew a stache and looked like a complete dirtbag and i fell head over heels for him
that, and he played his ass off
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw move him up, he did good playing the wing
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i like that he fights only other teams superstars
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we give Stajan
the Larry Murphy treatment this year?
Make it official and such?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But he’s basically out of everyone’s dog house after last season.
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3rd on the team last year in scoring. 55 points, 40 assists for under 2 million. What would people say about Leaf fans if we all started booing Stajan mercilously now?
by general borschevsky on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
1. Stempniak
2. Finger
3. Mayers
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Finger
had the most ES points of any Leaf blue liner last season.
He also came 2nd in hits and had more hits per game than Schenn.
He also blocks shots.
I really don’t think he’s as bad as people make him out to be.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
errr maybe 2nd most? Kubina led the team I think
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he is also slew footed, can’t handle any one-on-one plays, and can’t make the first past.
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He's slew footed?
He’s constantly having his skates taken out from under him underhandedly by guys he can’t even see?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's
Slew faced.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
he also makes Kubina look like a figure skater. I stand by my comments
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Kubina skates well
I’m not sure why D men are all expected to skate like Niedermayer and Coffey.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can't make the first pass
How did he end up with so many ES points?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
swap finger for Frogren
all we got from Frogren was this:
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and know that we’ve got him, he’s useful how…?
also, I think Salming had a fair bit to do with it…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he looks kinda scary?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Frogren is akin to Finger. But since the Leafs already have Finger, Frogren is the odd man out.
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but Froggy has a nastier attitude
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And a cheaper contract, which means Frogren’s easier to trade.
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Frogren is UFA next year, not the best trade bait…either way he is probably gone (back to Sweden?)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
For salary relief, he will serve that purpose fine. That being said, I rather the Leafs keep him. He’s a good d-man and will get better as he gets more accommodated to the North American rinks.
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didn't
we sign Frogren in part because he played so well with Stralman at the world’s?
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so and thus, he was regarded as an afterthought. Turned out Frogren had some underrated defensive skill (mean, blocks shots, and clears the front of net) than most people gave him credit for initially (me included).
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you hate finger why…?
what incredibly horrible things did he do last season?
he was steady, dependable, and a heeavy hitter. if you don’t remember, go back and watch some of the game in 6 minutes vids from last season. You’d be amazed at how much he did well. Problem is, the MSM latched on to that contract as all that is wrong with the Leafs so hard, they can’t bare to admit they were wrong and that he just might be wroth the money.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he makes a mill less a year than komeserik
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
again i ask
what were his major McCabe esque fauz pas commitments from last season that makes so many hate him?
forget everything you’ve heard and remember the way he played the game. he took a puck off the face and stitched up and came back. he dumped guys into our bench on multiple occasions trying to make their way into our zone, his shot is a freaking bullet and he’s confident and capable at making a smooth outlet pass.
Worth the money…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we’re watching the same player.
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watch these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyapqgxUtuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC_NT4BC9iM
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
money is the end all and be all of why I dislike him, thats only a small factor. Aside form shotblocking, I really don’t think hes a good defender, his skating ability, his one-on-one play I don’t like at all. On top of that he doesn’t really have that “warrior” in your face style attitude like Frogren does. I don’t think they’re the same at all outside of their shot blocking ability.
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who cares?
did he do his job? did you notice him screwing up with some form of regularity?
he’s better than anyone will let you believe, because the Leafs signed him. Overpaid? Probably. But find me a FA contract that wasn’t…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
only when i'm drinking
but thanks…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd type a lot of stuff to agree with blurr here
But he’s doing just fine.
I see I’m going to have to do a major blog posting about Jeff Finger’s skillzzzzz.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with Finger… contract is a little steep for a Defensive D-man, but other than that he his a solid guy who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Monster turns out to be the real deal, I got no problem having a couple of his SEL buddies around to help him make the transition.
Chemistry is important. We already have Hanson, Bozak & Stahlberg living together (henceforth referred to as Animal House), what’s wrong with having a pack of Swedes roaming round town?
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He also blocks a lot of shots
I don’t think the Frogren signing was bad… he just needs to adjust a bit more to NA.
Finger and Frogren are a very solid pair of defensive D men. The Leafs D will be awesome if they are our bottom 2 D men.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Leafs will lose Exelby
a year from now… he’s an UFA at year’s end.
Frogren will also be gone probably.
That means Finger is still needed.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he has no fear be it taking a shot or a body
too bad he also has no discernible hockey skll
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Blocking shots is definitely a skill
He also did a half decent job on the PK.
If I recall the main problems on the PK defensively last year were not Frogren or Finger.
Schenn and Kaberle were victimized often.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, schenn has much to learn about NHL PK defense, but he will learn it
Kabby….well thats not his thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well this year 2 things happen
1. Kaberle’s minutes go down
because
2. He’s not playing any PK time.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
the leafs are gonna have a couple sick PK defensive lines
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeppo
PK1 – Komisarek and Schenn
PK2 – Beauchemin and Finger/Frogren/Exelby
That works just fine for me.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I think Frogren was great when he played for the Leafs at the beginning of the year. He does need to tone it down with his play (he was taking pucks off his chest – wicked, but hurt-y), but he’s the closest we have to utterly fearless on the blueline since Yushkevisch/Markov/Svehla.
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oh how I miss Yushkevich
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Too bad he got blod clots
In his legs and almost died.
Stupid legs.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he should get some of those robot ones that antro got
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
the Leafs refused to take him back, and last I heard he was playing in the KHL last season
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Insurance
wouldn’t cover him after the clotting issue
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
hes Dimitri Fucken Yushkevich, he doesn’t need it
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He played like a non Russian D-man.. best compliment I could give him(well besides Gonchar)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
that and being the person closest to ending the life of Sharko Ruutu
that gif is amazing though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue is
Wallin, Mitchell, Stajan, Grabovski? Which ones play Centre on the top 3 lines?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is that Stajan’s the odd one out.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
im gonna guess stajan gets the nod at first line to start, just because he had something going there last year and is a “veteran” leafs center
grabbo on the second
and walin/ mitchell on the thrid
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m thinking Grabbo has the edge over Stajan on the top line this year, and i’m still convinced Bozak will make the team.
stajan is still high on the out list i think
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I was asking rhetorically... here are my lines (which I'll post about later this week)
1. Poni-Grabo-Kulemin
2. Hagman-Bozak-Blake
3. Stempniak-Stajan-Mitchell
4. Mayers-Primeau-Orr
w. Stalberg, Tlusty, and Hanson fighting for ice time whenever someone else messes up or is injured.
Seriously… the Leafs need a top C and they need to dump/bury like 2 or 3 of their veteran forwards.
TOOO many guys who aren’t top line material.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that’s a pretty sorry first line. Well, I’m not really thrilled with any of the lines to be honest.
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Not that sorry
That was the line where Poni finished like top 3 in the NHL in scoring for a month.
He had as many points as Ovechkin.
I think it’ll be alright.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
that line was pure magic. after antropov was traded, seems like Poni finally came into his own
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Poni is fine. I just don’t see either Grabs or Kulemin as first liners. I hope Kulemin is that guy, but I see him more as an excellent second liner who’s defensively responsible and capable of offence, a la Milan Michalek.
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I think Kulemin could grow into it. He’s not there now, but neither is anybody the Leafs could put ahead of him.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Kulemin is one of my favourites. And if we can consistently score 25-30 goals, fantastic. But I’m not going to elevate him to a legit first liner just yet.
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by bkblades on Jul 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed on Kulemin
and rec’d.
He’s fast becoming my favourite Leaf forward. I can see him being a 25 goal scorer, defensively responsible, and makes smart plays.
I think his ceiling is something akin to Shawn Horcoff. WIth sandpaper.
so you mean a 1st line center?!?!?!
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i would argue Horcoff is a very very good 2-line centre as opposed to a legit No. 1.
His offensive peak was 73 points, but besides that he’s only been barely above 50 pts in a season three times (one, granted, was in an injury shortened campaign)
I’m not sure anyone’s ever won a Cup with a No 1 centre tallying 50 points.
But regardless, my point was, if Kulemin becomes Shawn Horcoff, I’m more than happy, and that’s the path I see him on at the moment.
I think this is shaping up to be one more ‘transition’ year. A lot of contracts on a lot of somewhat marginal(easily replaceable) players are up after this year.
I don’t see this team making the playoffs this year, but I am fine with that if we can get some young guys in there at least part way through the season.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see Stajan getting dealt. Which wouldn’t upset me tremendously.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK MATT STAJAN
Burke made it clear he wants offense on the top 2 lines, and dirtbags with lunch boxes on the bottom 2 lines.
So why’s everyone so upset?
Apart from one end-to-end rush against MTL, what the hell did Stralman ever show us? Everyone complains that Kaberle was soft, so what the hell was Stralman.
And I’m the one chanting “Playoffs!!!!1” like a lunatic. Y’all are supposed to cool with another bullshit non-playoff year, so I don’t quite understand why this trade has so many people pissed off.
(I’m drunk.)
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by eyebleaf on Jul 27, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Wasn't he going to be Captain
a year ago?
Where’s Damien Cox when we need him!
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s writing an article about how this is all of our fault for being too forgiving. Or too demanding.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
WCH is probably all over the
Leafs trading away talent for nothing angle!
2nd rounders aren’t worth the imaginary lack of development they’re festooned with!
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle will be gone through free agency before there’s another playoff game in Toronto.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Kaberle is terrible at playing defense.
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by eyebleaf on Jul 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
everyone needs to rec that
that needs a burkei next week…
also, to answer the question, no, not sober.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn!
One thing ya gotta love with eyebleaf, you always know where he stands with things and where you stand with him. It’s all black and white, none of that “shades of gray” bullshit! :)
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
this is why your one of my favourites
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's only half of it
Then there’s that tricky keeping it out of your own net side of things.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Im thrilled with this move…because Im a Flames fan.
Primeau is next to useless and his salary is absurd for a guy who plays at about replacement level. He can’t check tough competition, can’t score, isn’t going to fight anybody…and that’s when he isn’t injured.
I can tell you that he has a reputation as a good teammate and leader in the dressing room, for what it’s worth. That said, I’ve been wanting Sutter to dump his contract since the Flames signed him.
Enjoy!
Oh jee just what the Leafs need!
Another “glue” guy to play for the Marlies – isn’t that what Ben Ondrus is supposed to be doing?
I don’t care where Primeau plays… Manchester is nice this time of year. ECHL anyone?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
enjoy Stewart, we know nothing about him
thanks for the second rounder for a 7th round pic!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
your thrilled with a minor move like this? must not have much going on today
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
The Flames haven't done much since signing Bouwmeester
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
except suffocate under the cap
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys, chill. Dude has every right to be glad to dump a player he hated watching.
by Godd Till on Jul 27, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WAT?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!1
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Primeau makes 1.4mil, for this coming year alone.
Stralman never really showed his skill, may have peaked, and was never physically involved. He was more stickwork than Kabs.
Calgary needs a cheap d. Stuart is a roster dump. Primeau will fade into the sunset as our healthy scratch, play a little fourth line, nothing much. May & Poulin’s beer buddy.
Suckulence
I love me some truculence, and can get carried away with convincing myself that making Sens-shaped impressions in the end boards somehow leads to Cup glory, but this?
Come on, Burke? If there’s anything that JFJ taught us it’s taht role players are available FOR FREE on the waiver/UFA wire.
Primeau brings absolutely nothing that the Leafs didn’t already have a surplus of. He has lost several steps and has less offense than the ghost of Lonny Bohonos. He is the proverbial bag of pucks. Correction: An injury-prone bag of pucks
WTF? I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop here. Is there some contract flexibility we’ve gained in this? Because I don’t really see how Burke turning Kubina and Stralman into XLB and Primeau is any sort of net gain whatsover.
At this point I don’t want to trade Kaberle not because of his awesomeness, but because I’m reasonably sure that Burke is holding out for a package consisting of a coke machine with plastic road-hockey blades duct-taped to the sides.
Wrong way to look at it. I don’t like the deal either, but the acquisition is the pick, not Primeau. Much less bad that way.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
optics
that’s definitely what this is about. you take out those picks and this is just bad all the way around from the Leafs perspective…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
People, the objective is to build a team that competes consistently. It does no good to build a contender whose window opens for two seasons – see “Blackhawks, Chicago.”
The 2nd round pick isn’t going to put pucks in the net this year or keep ‘em out either. Wayne Primeau can go take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut for all I Brian Burke cares. But Anton Stralman wasn’t going to do those things for the Leafs either – not this year, and not two years from now. So Burkie turned a saleable asset that wasn’t on the development track into a piece of the puzzle for the future; if we plan ahead like little squirrels and re-stock the talent cupboard before it goes empty, the team will have a chance to contend on a consistent basis.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Jul 27, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again
You are a voice of reason. Thanks jr.
I'd rather be insufferable and them have nothing - Karina
Natch. It’s how I do.
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I agree. Brian Burke’s attitude is simple : If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
He saw that Stralman was not going to be part of the solution, so he moved him and a 7th round pick for a 2nd round pick… The other 2 players don’t matter because Primeau is not getting resigned after this year.
You have to look at cap space as an asset to be used when needed.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Kubina was a large part of a defense core that allowed 293 goals. So I’ve got no problems seeing him go. Stralman couldn’t make a defence core that allowed 293 goals. Even my mom finds that shit laughable.
So a hearty thank you, good luck, and peace out to the both of em.
(Yeah, yeah, Kaberle was part of that 293 goals allowed d-unit as well, but I’m going to conveniently just single out Kubina and Stralman, as is my God-given right.)
Playoffs. !!1
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PLAYOFFS!!!!1
Not to mention
Toskala… and Ron Wilson… and all the forwards… and Luke Schenn… but whatever.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
TRADE THEM ALL!!!!1 (Except Shenn and Kaberle.)
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no way, we need ron to spit on hungry howie some more
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs had to clear out
some of the softness on D. Exit Kubina (offensive blue liner) and Stralman (offensive blue liner).
Add toughness on D. Enter Komisarek (defensive blue liner) and Exelby (poor positionally but physical blue liner), and Beauchemin (defensive blue liner with a wicked shot and awesome cement fists).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Exelby is going to be a huge love hate relationship, he is going to ruin so many oposing players, but probably cause more than his share of odd man rushes against
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Bryan Marchment?
Bryan McCabe’s stupid ass-check hits?
He’s a bit of a head hunter, but it’ll be nice knowing he’s not hunting the heads of our players anymore.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, the type of guy players on the other team are constantly worrying about
the leafs havnt had a legitimate open ice hitter since Clark departed
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t Danny Markov a pretty reliable open ice hitter? Sure, he took a lot out of himself on the play, but I remember him sacrificing his body a ton.
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Not to mention Yushkeyvich
and then there was the occasional flying Darcy Tucker…
you do realize how long ago Clark played for the Leafs right?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, again, Yushkeyvich was probably pretty close although i dont remember him doing it a lot
Tucker would hit anything, but bouncing off bigger dudes 70 percent of the time doesnt count
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
Knocking Ron Francis, Sami Kappanen, amongst others, senseless was kinda fun to watch.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
cant remember the francis one off hand, but the Kappanen hit wasnt open ice
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, the boards magnify the impact, being not a giant myself, i know all about using em to maximize a hit
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he could do it, but it wasnt with any regularity
Exelby seems to throw a good one every 2 or 3 games
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Clark was injured half the time too
So it’s not like he was doing it every night either.
Hence his not being in the NHL hall of fame.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yah, well it comes down to per games played
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hall of Fame are haters for Wendel Clark. Simple. Clark rules.
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i think with Neely finally getting the nod, there could be an outside chance Clark someday does as well.
maybe…
Gilmour will beat him in though.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear Gilmour will take a little while to get in as well. The guys that are coming up for hall of fame eligibility is pretty stacked.
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Gilmour will be in before Clark
I doubt Clark ever makes it. Not enough goals, and too few games played. If he does make it it’s because of Leaf fans alone.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The infidels are conspiring to keep both out. They’re just jealous of Wendel’s moustache and Gilmour’s privilege of having played alongside it.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
no doubt
Neely took forever to get in, so i’m not saying it’s soon. Not even in the next ten years…but someday
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re in the rafters of the ACC and that’s the only place that matters.
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- Major Mike Shearer
and our hearts
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We have hearts?
speak for yourself.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
its small and black, but its still there
at least for me
i havnt had the operation yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Robot hearts are better
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i want one that runs on steam power so i can shoot steam out my ears when i get mad!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
no homo
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
do you ever wonder
If sergei berezin will make it into the rafters?
Or Jonas Hoglund?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
no
should i? did i miss something?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No...
I just think the ceremony would be awesome.
I imagine Berezin showing up with his greasy locks and gold chains… highlight videos playing on the big screen…
I mean it would kinda fit since we won’t have many banners other than Sundin and Cujo from the past decade
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
if hoglund gets his jersey raised i will burn down the acc
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if they’re hurting for work and the Leafs start mimmicking that Buffalo gag where the mascot descends from the ceiling at the start of the game.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sergei Berezin? See my sig on how I feel about him. Berezin for life.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
I used to love
Sergei Time…
Where he and the puck would go on long walks along the beach… I mean ice… together, and get to know eachother better without all those other players getting in the way.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They should put non-rafter worthy players on the boards or something, imagine Berezin staring at you from the boards in front of the visitors penalty box?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
See the funny thing is
If a team wins a Stanley Cup, then every tom, dick, and sergei on the team gets to become this icon all of a sudden. Like just think for a second what happens if next year’s Leafs win the Cup (I KNOW it’s never going to happen… just bear with me).
That means Jason F’ing Blake will be forever tattooed on a zillion idiot’s asses, and we’ll never be able to escape his swollen eyes ever. That’s just creepy.
Ok so I’m saying it now… I don’t WANT this years Leafs to win the Cup. Tanking has nothing to do with it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hah. It’s the Red Sox disease. Every Sox fan has to love every player on that championship team, no matter what.
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So which Leaf gets to be nicknamed “Doug Mientkiewicz” if it happens?
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the Marlies who gets called up for a dozen games or so?
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Ben Ondrus with the game 7 winner!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, its gonna be something, all right
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t imagine he’ll play very often, to be honest. I see him as more of the guy you bring in for extra sandpaper on some nights than a liability to worry about on a regular basis.
by puckurgently on Jul 27, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Adding 3
and Subtracting 2, still doesn’t work out entirely well.
But something had to give. Considering how crappy they were defensively last year, it was probably the non-defensive guys that had to be moved.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering Stralman’s past stance on playing in the AHL and the Leafs glut on defence, I wouldn’t be surprised if Stralman’s agent hadn’t called Burke and told him that something had to give.
I hadn’t given up on Stralman’s potential, but he didn’t appear to be in the Leafs immediate plan’s and I think a 2nd is a very good return for him at this point.
hmmm, the rum has a calming effect
good thing i am not drinking rye
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
From Garrett at MLHS-
Just got a tip that the Stralman-Primeau swap is the tip of the iceberg to something larger happening in Toronto. Being told to keep an eye on the Blue Jackets. Brassard and Klesla are two names that have been bandied about.
There has been a lot of talk surrounding Columbus, Vancouver and St. Louis during the past week. The suspicion is that today’s Stralman trade was a necessary move to facilitate another, larger move with one of the three aforementioned teams.
Speculate away, folks. Things are getting real interesting, real fast. Updates will come as I receive them.
Fuel for the fire. Let it burn!
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
And, his follow-up-
@danvertising:
Today’s move was not a blunder. It was a necessary setup move to allow for another trade, as I hear it.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
Brassard Please!!!!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if we get Brassard
I will have Brian Burke’s love child.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he is as close to a number one center as a prospect can be
so want
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok is it me?
Or is MLHS turning into HockeyBuzz all over again?
I don’t mind Alec at all… but all the random speculation that doesn’t pan out is a bit silly sometimes.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
It sure as hell makes a long summer without hockey go by easier.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
How long is it until the 24th of September?
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
2 months
almost exactly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, ive noticed that too, the comenters are getting lowlier and lowlier
its becoming less discussion and more “DONT ME GAYE”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the commenters are self-trolling there. They’re not bad. I think Steve is just annoyed that MLHS is a lot of speculation and not enough truth. Which is fair.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
well the atmosphere has just dropped suddenly, its not even close to hockeybuzz levels yet but its on its way
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully it’ll pick up when camp opens.
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
If by pick up
you mean drop off a cliff… I’m pretty sure it will.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think some of the PPP crew were discussing this very thing not too long ago. I don’t doubt there were said discussions to every deal, but to be fair, they do make it explicitly clear that they don’t claim to put any confirmation or any e3s (yet).
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No they just reference their
“sources”.
I did kind of notice that their posting about the Leafs draft picks in recap form was alarmingly similar to my own posting – and came like 2 weeks after mine… and I’m pretty sure I had no secret sources.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
shenanigans!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't even count as plagiarism when you refer to sources
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
shenanagiarism?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that I'm bitter or anything ...
about how they have a few hundred more readers for their articles written by their 7 different contributors!
cries in corner
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thread Jack
Hey Steve – since you’re here tonight, I thought I’d ask you directly for something that’s been on my mind.
I fully confess having a limited at best understanding of the new hockey statistics/metrics. I refuse to believe that I’m alone in that state of affairs. I’d like to increase my knowledge about them.
What are the chances of convincing you to do a series of posts that kind of go through these metrics one by one and explain what they’re about, where they come from and what their limitations are?
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
If Steve is too busy to do an intro to hockey metrics, there’s a good one at battle of alberta that explains rates/60, corsi, etc.
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Hockeys Future also had a very late Leafs draft review as well that rehashed a lot of the same material from other blogs/sources. It wouldn’t surprise me if there were some borrowing all over, especially with how little information is available on the Leafs draft picks this year. But you’re right, it’s a little peculiar.
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Yeah considering
I was pulling info from personal blogs some of the players drafted kept… I’m not sure why they felt the need to make sources sound confidential.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As for HockeysFuture
They have to maintain crap on all 30 teams, and they stagger the postings, so I understand their delay a bit more.
When it takes 2 weeks to compile info it took me 2 days to do WHILE working another day job… yeah I don’t think it’s that impressive?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
This summer they’ve been stretching for topics so Alex and Garrett have turned a lot to rumours but at least they present them as such for the most part and don’t pretend things are done deals.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Not really
I’m just fine contemplating the team we have. Inventing fantasy line ups with players from other teams is amazingly pointless and stupidly frustrating.
I get kind of sick of it.
The funny thing is, it sure does jack up the hits on the blog sites. I know… from personal experience!… (quoting Chris Farley is fun)
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
at least we are excited(no matter how lamely manufactured)
Who else but perhaps one or two other teams would go to this length of well over 400 posts about a minor league guy, a nobody prospect and a 7th for a washed up roll player and a 2nd round pick.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We outnumber the rest of them like 10 to 1
So the fact that 30 people post 400 times on one blog isn’t really that shocking.
I bet there’s 3 people that post 40 comments on blogs about the Penguins when they make a trade!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of which...
do you all need an overflow for this thing, or is everything still kosher?
i’m not having any issues…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
it's working fine for me so far
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been fine since I switched over to using Google Chrome as my browser.
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
I am still waiting for an issue with FF. No problems
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe after we hit 500 we should just stop.
I think this reaction has something to do with the fact that nothing Leafs related has happened since Wallin was signed
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
And we’re sort of getting off topic on the post in hand, heh. So that’s my fault and hence, I will post only sporadically to any Stralman – Primeau type discussions from now on. And that topic looks like it’s running its due course by now.
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well if we stop with this, im just gonna start with the speculation of what the “bigger trade” everyone seems to think is coming is!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to stop posting now anyway
Exams are calling my name.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
an overflow
of sorts
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/7/27/965067/is-the-stralman-trade-part-of
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/7/27/965067/is-the-stralman-trade-part-of
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/7/27/965067/is-the-stralman-trade-part-of
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
Here's how I see it
The Leafs have never liked Stralman as a prospect; it just seems clear from the way he was treated. I’m not sure why not, although they never liked Tellqvist either (how did Steen manage to kick around so long?). At this point, it’s clear Burke has given up on him and was willing to shuttle him out for a second round pick. To get that to happen, they had to also swap Stuart for Primeau and, one third liner for another, Burke doesn’t mind getting bigger. And slower.
At least this time Jamal Mayers came along with a second round pick.
On the upside, how long do you think before the Sutters decide they don’t like Stralman either?
I've been looking at the sky
Should have mentioned whether I liked the trade
I don’t. The Leafs better be damn sure Stralman isn’t an NHL defenceman, because a puck-mover from the blueline – even if he’s still a year away – is a lot more valuable than a second round pick.
I've been looking at the sky
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