Is the Stralman Trade Part of Something Bigger?
MLHS seems to think so. We'll have to wait and see..
Feel free to speculate away in the comments as to what could make up the rest of the "iceberg."
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now youve done it
so who is coming to the Leafs now?
we’ve already touched on Thornton, Marleau, Richards and Lecavalier
hmmmm
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
teams listed in the link
are CBJ, STL and VAN.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the list of wants for those teams is pretty easy
Columbus – Brasard, Filatov, Vorachek
Blues – Bakes, Berglud
Van – Hodgeson
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Filatov and Vorachek are going nowhere, and quite frankly I’d be shocked if Brassard was as well…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
same, but short of Rick Nash i dont see much else they have that Burke would persue
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
rick nash...
the ol sign and trade!
(i know, i’m a little drunk now…)
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
i may have giggled with glee when i typed his name
some crushes die hard
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the speculate source for reference again, from Garrett at MLHS-
Just got a tip that the Stralman-Primeau swap is the tip of the iceberg to something larger happening in Toronto. Being told to keep an eye on the Blue Jackets – Brassard and Klesla are two names that have been bandied about in the rumour mill.
There has been a lot of talk surrounding Columbus, Vancouver and St. Louis during the past week. The suspicion is that today’s Stralman trade was a necessary move to facilitate another, larger move with one of the three aforementioned teams.
Speculate away, folks. Things are getting real interesting, real fast. Updates will come as I receive them.
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Rosters:
prospects won’t be listed there, but i’ve got to believe a roster player is involved if there is any truth to the matter,
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Klesla is a somewhat Stralman-type, judging from stats.
Stats page.
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his name is too european sounding
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe goulbleuf then
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
BURKE, PUT THE PHONE DOWN
We don’t need any more furniture for your truculence diorama.
kabby and set peices probably
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
picks
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
its probably unrelated, just another trade that has nothing to do with the other (if there is another)
it was just a minor salary dump and straleman for a second
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you about picks, but the original post said it’s the tip of the iceberg. I can’t see Burke purchasing a 2nd in 2 years for a deal with Columbus.
That "post’ is all speculation, Kohma. Nothing more.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
and
the “iceberg” is a quote from the post i’m linking.
i got no sources to feed me bs about this kind of thing…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh of course. I’m just looking to find sense in the trade. At least if we were getting a piece to use in the forthcoming trade I’d be able to reconcile it.
chances are
the trade was just what it was, and there is nothing more going on about it.
but that sure doesn’t drive clicks, now does it?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
but then, whose to say this 2nd isnt the last piece in a trade for better picks and or prospects?
DUN DUN DUN!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if the move is “larger” and Vancouver is involved, I assume Kyle Wellwood is being winched aboard the C-130 to Toronto right now.
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by jrwendelman on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
el oh el
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He's waiting as we speak...
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Jawo ke, Burke HO HO HO
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wonder what Vancouver will say if they actually got to arbitration with Wellwood.
“Mike Gillis, as I said, no defamation of character is allowed.”
“But it’s true. Kyle Wellwood is fat. It’s what inflates his totals.”
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by jrwendelman on Jul 27, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
see, the donuts are a test, they put them there to test your guilt, you dont touch em, your guilty, i ate the box up, that shows i have nothing to hide
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I understand I gotta bring it if I’ma keep up with you, o Burkie winning one!
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Just out of curiosity, how many varieties of awesome are there?
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TWSS?
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
a philosophy i subscribe to myself
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
not only are there kinds of awesome, but there are shades
to my count there are 7 different shades
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
David Backes
30+ goals and lots of truculence. Burke should grab him and make the Blues take Stempniak back.
word
i ♥ backes
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Backes is pretty much untouchable from the Blues, same with Oshie, Berglund or Perron might be more attainable
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you got that backwards a bit
Oshie and Berglund are untouchable
Backes and Perron less so (read – expensive)
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, well thats what i gathered from what Blues fans were saying
figured they;d know better than i
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
aaaaaa-zing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
about the stralman trade
think of stralman and a 7th having an equal value as antropov… not so bad now is it
by GerbersAdvocate on Jul 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
how about this for an optimistic take?
stuart+7th = primeau - irrelevant
stralman = 2nd rounder -- so burke got the same for stralman as he did for antropov and moore at the trade deadline.
stralman wasn’t in the team’s long term plans, clearly. so why not get a 2nd rounder for him and hope you get someone who is?
are you two the same person?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this make the Antropov better or worse?
Either way, I think the Stralman for a second round pick (albeit in 2011) is about right in terms of value. And if he wanted out, even better deal for Burke. Just wonder if the Leafs could have held onto him a little longer considering a few d-men will not be here by maybe as early as mid-season.
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i’m not sure.
i think you’re right about the value. if the trade had simply been announced as stralman for a 2nd, i don’t think anyone would have freaked out (or they wouldn’t have freaked as much). The inclusion of Primeau (and exclusion of the 2nd initially) was disturbing, for sure.
as initially reported
for at least the first 30-45 minutes the trade was;
Stuart and Stralman for Primeau
so, i think the freak out was warranted
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by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe its the rum, but i am all sort of cool with this deal now
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Mojitos for me
this summer…
only I make mine with Black Rum… so… they’re dark… and stormier … but still minty and sweet
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
mojitos are great, such a pain to make though
i dont get any more complicated than a rum and coke most of the time
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I went through that phase
The best way to make mojitos less of a pain is to make a huge pitcher of them.
13 ozs of liquor at once.
Makes 8 drinks – or just 4 big drinks.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i do that with long island iced teas and white russians sometimes
so good
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like I’m buying pitchers from Honest Ed’s.
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More than 1?
Do you really want to increase your chances of contracting hepatitis?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Having little disposable income at this point, I’ll take my chances to get hammered to not even care about diseases…
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Well if you're going to honest eds anyway
Just go to Paupers after work on Thursdays where they serve half price mixed drinks until 6 pm.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
and cheap appetizers
I was drinking $6 doubles two weeks ago.
The Victory Cafe is also reasonable, and it’s around the corner too.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the victory cafe. Not that big a fan of paupers, but it’ll do for early cheap booze.
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well yeah...
Paupers service can blow some times but I like the rooftop patio.
I prefer the victory – their beer selection is better also, and the food is better.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I love both those places and am often there.
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I was at the Victory last thurs evening
one of many nice bars this city has to offer.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
the only GTA bar i have ever frequented with any regularity is the Madison
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm going there on Wednesday
after the last day of Summer School… at about 10:30 AM hopefully. Early Bird Gets Drunk and all that.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's a quick list of places to attend though:
Cameron House, Drake Hotel, The Rhino, Sweaty Bettys, The Ossington, Ronnies, Embassy, The Boat… Castros, Cadillac Lounge, Wrong Bar…
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like the Maddy. But anywhere in the Annex, you can’t go wrong with bars. Well, except the Brunswick House. That place blows – 20+ years and counting.
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+ shootings
as of two days ago yet another one.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yanno what goes great in a White Russian
and really just makes it taste like hot chocolate -
ANY NUT LIQUER
toss in some frangelico, amaretto… lots more vodka… tia maria works too… pretty much anything nut, coffee, or cream flavoured. You can mix in the Grand Marnier for an orangey flavour to boot.
I used to mix that in pint glasses back when I had a drinking “problem”.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i like to make em with mint bailys
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
where do you
find the sugar cane syrup???
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't need sugar cane syrup.
You can mix it yourself if you want, but really you can just add 4 tsp of sugar.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
heat the sugar up on a spoon before you mix it, works real well
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
excellent, we have been on a fruitless hunt for sugar cane syrup for about a month
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the recipe
4 limes, 8 mint sprigs (muddled – NOT sliced), ice, 4 tsp sugar, 13 oz’s rum, 15 oz’s soda water… ta da.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
feel free to go easy on the soda though
I usually just do 1 to 1 on the booze and soda
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, mojitos are also a dynamite rum drink.
i just mix sugar and water and boil it down into a simple syrup. i add a little less club soda as a result so it doesn’t get too watered down.
and definitely make a big pitcher, way easier. plowed through a couple of those in the backyard last weekend. minty rummy goodness.
it’s pretty easy to grow your own mint too. stuff grows like a weed.
One little piece of info about Primeau, he was born in Scarberia, and was drafted 17th overall by the Sabres.
Cue homecoming back from the ashes season music………..:)
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but
that only works when it’s a hometown kid playing for another team, looking to impress family etc.
When is the first Islanders game this season?
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear that the Rangers might walk away from Zherdev’s contract if its around 4M. I hope Burke jumps on that.
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
I dunno, Zherdev is too moody, I think, to be a Burke type player.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Unless Zherdev comes at a great bargain, I don’t think Burke even looks at this guy. And even then, moody Europeans is like radiation to Burke.
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seems more like Bob Gainey’s type.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad about Stralman. Thought he had a future with this club. Oh well. 2nd round pick in return is ok.
Haven’t seen anyone else mention this so I will: Primeau has played for coach Wilson before. In 2003-4 he had 9G 20A 29P 90PIM in 72 games. After the lockout, 2005-6, he had 5G 3A 8P 17PIM before being traded to Boston. So there’s some familiarity there. Wilson knows what Primeau will do for him.
My guess is Jamal Mayers just became extremely expendable. Just a hunch.
by general borschevsky on Jul 27, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
well Mayers has been expendable since Orr got inked
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind seeing Mayers have a shot at having a better year. He redeemed himself a bit in my eyes in the 2nd half last season, and with the Kostopoulos fight. Don’t see where he’d fit in now though.
by general borschevsky on Jul 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The full MLHS story suggests that Burke just wanted a 2nd to trade to Chicago to get Toronto’s own 2nd back and sign Kessel to an offer sheet.
Completely ridiculous.
by Mirinov's Nose on Jul 27, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
now the hotstove is saying that colorado, anahiem and detroit were interested in Premeau, teams that are ALSO interested in Pogge maybe, sorta kinda
if true, that might prove interesting
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Chicago has our 2nd rounder?
I can’t remember a recent trade with them, can someone enlighten me? Or did a different team trade our pick to them (SJ maybe?)
From Wikipedia:
The Toronto Maple Leafs’ second-round pick will go to the Chicago Blackhawks due to a trade on September 12, 2008 that sent Robert Lang to the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for this pick.10
Montreal previously acquired this pick due to a trade on July 3, 2008 that sent Mikhail Grabovski to Toronto in exchange for Greg Pateryn and this pick
by Mirinov's Nose on Jul 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Primeau, when healthy, logged over three minutes a night on the PK – more than any other Flame forward. The PK is one area of the Leafs’ game that needs serious work. Wouldn’t surprise me if Primeau was targeted for his special teams play.
Colin Stuart was this year’s Tyson Nash – a spare part who didn’t have a legitimate shot of making the big club.
Stralman played small. Given the log jam on Leafs D and his contract situation I’m not surprised to see him moved.
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I am probably in the minority but I like this deal. It has become fairly obvious that Stralman was never going to get a legitimate chance with the Leafs, turning him into a 2nd round pick is not bad at all for a re-building team.
Primeau is overpaid but he is a big, useful checking line player who will help out the Leafs awful PK and can be a leader on a young team.
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The 2nd rounder went to Montreal for grabs. Then they traded it to Chicago for Lang I think.
I also can’t see the Jackets trading Brassard unless Kaberle is involved. A desireable trade for the leafs in that situation would be Kaberle for Brassard and a First.
i think Brassard and a first is a bit much to ask from the jackets, as much as id like to see that i dont see it happening
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
A desireable trade for the leafs in that situation would be Kaberle for Brassard and a First.
That would be a massive haul for the Leafs. As such, I doubt Columbus makes that deal. Even a Brassard for Kaberle straight up makes Columbus hesitate.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
rebel yell!!!
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Like this guy?
:)
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by kidkawartha on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but i tie my mullet back with a Nascar bandana
bring the class
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Why’s he slagging Rick Moranis? What did he ever do to that guy?
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
the flintstones
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone should photoshop that Go USA sign to read Go Flyers
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My Brother is moving to Philly next month
I’m going to go to Flyers Leafs games and take photos so I can photoshop them into wonderousness.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
oh lord, the stands will be ripe with material, and body odour
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
That would work, except for the Cardinals t-shirt……..
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by kidkawartha on Jul 28, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, i thought that said “Candinals”. Go Flyers on me.
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Ya moran!
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by kidkawartha on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Making that a Flyers fan would solve any inconsistencies of logic.
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Seeing as Primeau has never played a full season in the NHL, can we start calling him Spaghetti-Bones?
P.S. We are Primeau’s 7th team- lucky 7?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
Also, from the Star-
Primeau said the ankle is fully healed. In fact he was on the ice Monday with Keith teaching at a hockey camp in the Owen Sound area where he spends his summers. That’s where his wife found him to let him know that Calgary GM Darryl Sutter was trying to reach him.
“I figured I was on the move,” said Primeau, who is joining his seventh NHL team. “I turned to my friend and said that if I’m going somewhere, I hope it’s Toronto.”
Primeau, a product of the GTA, was born in Scarborough, lived in Markham until he was 5 and then was raised in Whitby. But more than just happy to be coming home, he’s pleased to be reunited with coach Ron Wilson for whom he played for during his best seasons, including a 29-point campaign while with San Jose.
“I really enjoyed playing for Ron,” he said. “He was just one of those guys that if you worked hard he rewarded you and he just showed a lot of confidence in me. A big part of hockey is confidence and he brought my game up to another level.”
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Jul 27, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
A 29 point career year. Fuck.
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by Chemmy on Jul 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone needs to start a comparative calculator of sorts to see if Stralman can out duel Primeau for GP, goals, assists, etc.
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Sorry, I meant we should do it going forward. See how they compare for the 2009-10 season.
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i doubt either sees much NHL time
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Flames already signed Giordano, they’re pretty much full up in youngish powerplay defensemen who are iffy in their own end.
and the leafs have 10 players that could be 4th liners in the NHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Van Ryn waves hello before breaking his arm.
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by bkblades on Jul 27, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man…I walk away one evening and the Leafs go crazy and trade away a young d-man and fourth liner for another fourth liner that can barely stay healthy and a pick…wow…maybe its the beer talking but this doesn’t seem optimal…please tell me we are sacrificing Primeau to the hockey gods for something better…anything
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
premeau for stewert and a 7th was a wash / salary dump
so its esentially a 2nd for Straleman, who was a 7th rounder himself
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
stralman had potential…how much, who knows…Primeau has potential to be pumping gas at a snowmobile dealership in flin flon.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and the second rounder technically has unlimited potential
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Primeau
would pump gas in Whitby or Owen Sound before he’d go to Flin Flon.
Manitoba kinda sucks
+
He’s from Southern Ontario.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
they can always use pump jockeys in scarburough
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
hows this for a trade scenaro
To Columbus – Kaberle, Stajan, Mayers calgarys second
To Toronto- Brassard 2010 1st
then
to st louis- Frogren, VanRy, Columbus’ 1st
To Toronto – Bakes or Berglund and Perron
then
To Colorado- Pogge, Premeau
To Toronto – Svatos!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
it sounds like
you’re the GM for the Tampa bay Lightning.
too good a return for us on every deal.
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Stalk me here...
by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i think every trade is at least plausible,, but i have also been drinking
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
drunk trade talk is good times. Also too much one way salary on the first deal. We’d have to swallow a bad contract or two from CBJ to make it work.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 27, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
do they even have any super bad ones? Id definetly take a Malone sized salary dump for Brassard
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
nope…some guys make a little too much…like mike commodore @ 3.75…but nothing sather bad
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
not really, Howson’s been patient and not jumped on any free agents that didn’t deserve it.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha yeah right on Svatos.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ill throw in a 3rd!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I really can’t see any of the above happening, although I would love it.
I especially don’t see the BJ’s moving Brassard… they finally have a #1 center after all these years, they won’t move him.
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
again, they went out and spent 4 mill on antro, and they reeeeally need a puck moving defenseman, i think they might bite
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Antropov signed with the Thrashers.
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thrashers, blue jackets, they all blur together with rum-o-vision
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
woooohooo Rum-O-Vision!
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by Karina on Jul 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
rum o vision is great technology…now in HD (hard drinking! WOOO!)
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 27, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta signed Antro, not Columbus.
The only way I see these trades happening is if JFJ gets hired in Columbus and is fired after trading Brassard for Kaberle and a soft, middling centre.
Doug McLean gets the St. Louis job and pulls the trigger on that deal after confusing Frogren with Frolov.
I can’t come up with a punchline where the new GM in Colorado would trade one of his few assets for this year’s Eric Fichaud and a broken down 4th line Centre who hasn’t played a complete season in the 14 years he’s been in the NHL and has fewer goals in 14 years than Svatos does post-lockout.
Could happen though.
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thats the spirite
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok I'm done marking
Have we raided Columbus, Vancouver, and St. Louis of everything valuable yet?
P.S. I think the whole concept is hogwash… we aren’t getting half the prospects in the NHL because we dealt away Stralman for Primeau. WTH are they huffing over at MLHS these days.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
disclaimer
I dont think anyone (even me) thinks these trades are really all that viable, I basically bring em up to spark conversation and because honestly, its fun.
note: when i say anyone i dont include them fellers over at the MLHS, some of them seem pretty convinced about some absurd things. just bring up Kessel and you can almost see the delusional drool hit the screen.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
glue?
"If you are going through hell, keep going." Sir Winston Churchill, a Leafs fan...
Stalk me here...
by blurr1974 on Jul 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
My "sources" tell me
their glue is laced with meth.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
woops forgot to hit reply
;)
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 27, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
mmm meth glue, all the cool trolls are doing it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wrote a posting about the deal...
but you can link it in FTB tomorrow
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
what I dont get at all over at MLHS is the continual naming of Janssen, do people actually want him as a Leaf? Do they think Burke is actually in the market for a lumbering useless gutless turd?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
I actually wouldn't mind Janssen
But yeah like we’ve been saying… lots of their stuff don’t fit with logic so much. Having him AND Orr would be more than redundant.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, cant say im a Janssen fan, and not just for the dirty hit on Kabby, i mean he nearly lost a fight to a guy half a foot shorter than him in goalie gear who had just fought
among other things
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
oh wait, that was peters
yup, definetly drunk
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Andrew Peters is a d-bag
Plus he plays in Buffalo which only makes his life more sad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I don’t even think Andrew Peters is much a enforcer, mainly because he lacks other hockey skills.
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he also lacks enforcing skills
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
In his defense, he tastes pretty good. At least, Jarkko Ruutu thinks so.
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
dont taste me bro!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
600+ comments about a swap of third liners, a minor league d-men and some picks. Only on PPP. We rock.
A Nation of Masochists The waiting is the hardest part.
just wait till my trade scenario plays out to the letter
then you’ll see some shit
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
We've degenerated to
mix drink recipes and bars to visit… sideways conversations are good.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
its a speciality
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm making a drink now...
then going to bed.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
wooo night cap!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
I’m out for the evening and look at what I miss. A trade goes down, and everyone goes from wanting to jump off a bridge to calming down and accepting, if not loving, the trade. What a rollercoaster.
For some reason, at this point I want to pull a Ron Burgundy and yell “I’M IN A GLASS CASE OF EMOTION!!”
Anyway, I don’t love this deal but it’s not that bad. Wayne is definitely the lesser of the 2 Primeaus, and if he never ends up playing for the Leafs I won’t be upset at all. I don’t really have much of an opinion on Stralman, he was OK but never struck me as anything special. Maybe he’ll still develop into a real solid puck-moving D but I’m not all that certain he will. To get a 2nd round pick for him is pretty decent to be honest.
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
I think Wayne is simply a leadership/PK/sandpaper guy who will jump at the chance to finish his career, as minor as it probably will be, here in Toronto. Maybe a guy with a future in the Leaf’s organization somewhere. At $1.4 million, I’m not particularly concerned.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Jul 28, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a meh deal. I don’t love it. I don’t hate it. I’m not jumping up and down. I’m not tearing out my hair.
A Nation of Masochists The waiting is the hardest part.
i am
BUT ONLY BECAUSE ITS GOING TO LEAD TO SOMETHING HUUUUUUUGE!!!!11
playfofs!!!@
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You go, g.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Jul 28, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone here needs to do a post about what our PK will be like this year, furcifer. I think there’s some interesting things there. And seeing as we’re likely to be killing more this year, it’s going to be important. :)
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Jul 28, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
the PP is defietly not going to be anything special (as it stands now the number one unit is Poni, Hags and Grabbo)
but the PK should be pretty solid if the goaltending keeps up
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Never have I been more pleased to see the words “…and a second round pick”.
It’s a shame we won’t see Strålman develop here – and I do think he’ll turn out a good player – but if it was never going to happen (roster congestion, Wilson not a fan, whatevs), then it’s a decent return and a trade that I think works out pretty well for both teams.
That 2012 7th rounder is going to be a 90 point a season player though, I can feel it in my bones.
He's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes.
Pretty much, Wilson said Stralie would be a good NHLer one day, just not here. If he needed to go, a 2nd is fair. If he turns out like he could, and we’re hurting for a PP defenseman in the future, fire Burke and Wilson.
Um, is it just me?
A borderline NHLer, a low value prospect and a 7th pick swapped for a never has been and a 2nd pick….
How is this a jumping off point for a bigger trade???
Just sayin
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
cause we needed a segway to talk trades and over value our players
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 29, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Being reasonable is not part of Leaf Nation.. sorry I forgot, I won’t do it again!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 29, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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