Maple Leafs Acquire Primeau and 2nd Round Pick; Barilkosphere Finally Has Something to Write About
by blurr1974 on Jul 28, 2009 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintLots of confusion kicked off this trade, but with some time, informed discussions and a few (4) beers, I'm liking this trade. Honestly, I once thought Stralman had the potential to some day replace Kaberle on our blue line. Why? I have no idea. The more I read, the more I realized other than one great end to end rush, he's not done much.
You'll see from the links that the response was varied on this trade. I tried to find some highlight vids of Wayne Primeau, and came up with minimal. Here's a highlight reel goal of his while with the Bruins. Not holding my breath on seeing anything like this in the blue and white though.
Epic Wayne Primeau Goal (via Hockeyman127)
- So, lots of talk on this trade. Here are the Leaf centric takes: Dr. Steve, jrwendelman, Toronto Mike, The Other Vatican and Norman James. UPDATED: A few more from bkblades and koopa kid. eyebleaf also adds his two cents, and talks fantasy draft.
- TSM has a few choice quotes form Brian Burke on the trade. He certainly doesn't sound like a man who's done trading.
- The Canucks fans are so thrilled with Burke's generosity to the Flames.
- I enjoyed reading the comments of this message board. Most Flames fans are convinced Stralman is the greatest Leaf prospect we had. Knowing there was a second rounder coming back helped with this trade, but these comments made me realize just how hoodwinked the Flames were. It could be like Moore to Buffalo all over...
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http://fallenleafs.tumblr.com/post/150754905/goodbye-anton-stralman-i-hardly-knew-ye
More random observations about Stralman from my end, but hardly groundbreaking stuff. I even slid in a dirty pick-up line as part of the trade justification, so serious analysis should probably go elsewhere.
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http://www.sportsandthecity.com/2009/07/drafting-marc-savard.html
Drafting Marc Savard, and So Long Stralman
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 28, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Went 9th.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 28, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
missed that. Rick Nash to the Sens – stab me in the eyes now.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions
Anyone else think
Primeau was an attempt to get another centre so that Stajan could be packaged off in a deal for a top line forward.
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it smells of a pre-amble trade leading to more, but honestly who knows what Burke has up his sleeve. Who’d take Stajan as part of a package for a top 6? San Jose? St. Louis? Boston?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Dr. Steve correctly understands the trade in that it’s really Primeau for Stuart, and Stralman + 7th for a 2nd. Primeau gets relegated to the 4th line with Orr so who cares.
But the real deal here is that 2nd round pick. I see that as a chip to be used along with another one of our excess defensemen, and probably one more player, for a top line forward.
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I see that as a chip to be used along with another one of our excess defensemen, and probably one more player, for a top line forward.
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Chemmy already has that. Can’t have two. If anything it’d be an old school Clark.
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by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
On another note
How Steve saw it is how I saw it but I still think that Burke is going to get rid of more on the roster than just the excess d-men.
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The biggest thing he did is remove some of the leverage that other teams might have had over us in a deal for one of our defenceman.
With 9 D, and Oreskovic able to go through waivers, White able to play forward, and Finger (and possibly Van Ryn)’s contracts large enough to get them through waivers, now Burke can wait for a deal he likes rather than making a Stempniak-deal just to move a defence off the roster.
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If the Leafs move Van Ryn or Finger to the minors, they’ll both be there to stay. Recall waivers puts the Leafs on the hook for 50% of a player’s salary. Finger at $1.75M and Van Ryn at $1.45M would get snapped up in an instant. No chance either of those guys go near a waiver wire.
The Leafs will either deal one more D or wait for Van Ryn to go on the IR and carry 7 D this season.
I wish I had a great Primeau joke to finish this off.
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I could see Van Ryn go down because even if he gets snapped up his contract is done after this year. Finger is not going to waivers no matter how much people wish for it.
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I don’t see Van Ryn getting waived. Both Burke and Wilson have spoken out about how much the like him and his character.
I could see him moved as a salary dump/ log-jam clear before he hits the waiver wire. If we’re lucky Burke turns him into a 3rd or 4th round pick.
And then we can all enjoy the half-dozen “Leafs turn former Norris Trophy Nominee and Canadian Olympian Bryan McCabe and a 4th round pick into pretty much nothing” columns from the sporting press.
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This is where you wish some of these guys were whiney and russian; then we could just send them to the Marlies until they got fed up, left for Russia, caused a big deal and eventually freed us from our contract obligations.
by Shield on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i’m getting a Finger jersey. I’m the anti-Chemmy (not really, what with Tucker, Sundin, Gilmour and Domi jerseys. The Hagman one is getting a lot of wear…)
’nuff said.
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I see that as a chip to be used along with another one of our excess defensemen, and probably one more player, for a top line forward.
I love it when Skinnyfish refers to the Leafs as “our”. For some reason it stands out like a virgin in a strip bar.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Methinks...
Kaberle, Stajan, Pogge and this 2nd are a package to be shipped out for something. LA, StL or CBJ.
Shall we guess on the returns?
by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
PLayers I think burke will target
LA – Teubert, Schenn, Frolov
StL – Backes, Bergulnd, Oshie, Perron
Columbus – Brassard, Filtov, Vorachek
of course a few of these players are probably non-starters so its a total crap shoot
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
LA would deal Schenn. They could use a Kaberle :D
by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
heh, im thinking Burke is more likely to persue a Brassard or Backes with more gusto, they are NHL ready, young and very skilled. Ready to step in and fight for the number one line right away.
Schenn is at the very least a year out
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh my god the comments on the Calgary board could be the funniest thing i've ever read.
I can’t stop laughing. Honestly though, this trade helps our bottom 6 and we get a 2nd round pick on top of it. I think I would have done Stralman for a 2nd anyway, this just helps our logjam on the backend.
The mass panic that set in when it was first announced (without the picks) has passed, and people are starting to see an upside to the deal.
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not so bad
no need to keep Stralman
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Yup, if 4 days ago you sat me down and said that you’d give me a 2nd for Stralman, I’d have no huge problem. That second will be flipped in a bigger deal, or can draft us some better dman later. And you KNOW we’ll be looking at a blue-chipper dman next draft
by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Without the picks the deal just looked horrible.
I guess it’s not too bad with the 2nd.
I would still rather have kept Stralman only to see if he would amount to anything but I guess there really wasn’t a place for him on this stacked blueline.
Hope he gets the playing time in Calgary. At least he will only burn us once a year now that he will inevitably become a hall of famer.
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by Hungry Leafs Fan on Jul 28, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
But will he get ice time? Phanuef, Bouwmeester, Regehr, Sarich, and Giordano already seem to fill the spots.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s the funny thing.
of those 5, i can already see 2 PP units, so I’m not sure he’ll get the time there. to me, it seems like Sutter might be content to leave Stralman on the farm and let him walk at the end of the season. this may have been more of a cap relief trade for the Flames than them wanting Stralman.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
When it first came out there was no talk of picks.
Now, I am still not happy but I think I’ll have to look at this trade not only for the 2nd but also as part of whatever comes next.
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What about Mayers?
Maybe Burke is planning on trading/waiving him and Primeau is a replacement for the 4th line who cares less about ice time?
I’m not sure, he’s an equivalent cap hit. I’d imagine May is not being resigned now.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No. I suspect May is gone.
Remember, re-signing him costs us a 6th round pick in a draft where we already don’t have our 2nd (Grabovksi deal) or 4th (McCabe/Van Ryn deal) picks.
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Yes
The Leafs can sign him for free now.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Brad May’s a really good interview. He has a long career in broadcasting ahead of him.
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I thought the pick was based on resigning him prior to july 1st, once he tested the open market he was free game. Not that we need more spots filled on the bottom 6 though
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, that’s twice in the last day that i’ve posted identical posts at the exact same time as someone else. get out of my head people!!1
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This trade is Stralman for a 2nd rounder. That’s all it is. Forget about Primeau.
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 28, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
So this Primeau guy, he’s all I can think about….
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Bang-on assessment DGB, which makes this a pretty darn good deal, considering that Stralman had no prayer of cracking the top 6, and frankly, not much chance of clearing waivers if a stiff like Kronwall didn’t clear. So Burke essentially got a 2nd rounder for a guy he was about to lose on waivers and a 7th round pick. That’s a steal in my books.
by Jacques Strap on Jul 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
considering that’s what we got for both Moore and Antropov….yeah. I likey
by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
TSM put together some really good quotes:
“He can really help us if he can stay healthy”. – Burke
“…if I’m going somewhere, I hope it’s Toronto." – Primeau
"I really enjoyed playing for Ron," he said. "He was just one of those guys that if you worked hard he rewarded you and he just showed a lot of confidence in me. A big part of hockey is confidence and he brought my game up to another level." – Primeau on playing for Ron Wilson (in San Jose, 2003-5)
by general borschevsky on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
FYI
links were added from eyebleaf, koopa kid and bkblades. Anyone else got something?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
Tomorrow....
The oracle is reading her tea leaves now
by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
so many links, so little time to read them all :(
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
reading about hockey>work
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all about a soon-to-be major motion picture starring Nicolas Cage
Here’s my take: http://bitterleaf.blogspot.com/2009/07/leafs-trade-stralman.html
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next week is vacation, then major dealine… but I won’t be able to read hockey nws then.. choices!
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm off the ledge
You’ve all talked me down. When this deal didn’t involve draft picks it was Ryan Hollweg redux.
I’m telling myself we’re turning an offensively-potent but defensively-suspect d-man who didn’t fit into our long term plans for a 2nd round pick.
Primeau is just the mechanism to make it all happen. And who knows — maybe it’s a classic story where the change of scenery to the home town hooks him up to the rejuvenation-machine and he becomes a guy who can eat up 10-15 minutes a night without getting pwned.
Welcome back, I know how difficult of a process stepping down is. (I sprinted to that very same place when I read it at first).
it was mighty crowded up on that ledge…
i should know, i was there
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by blurr1974 on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
it had an excellent view
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
And an open bar, judging from some of the comments.
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by clrkaitken on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
bartender nearly cut me off
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
I still like Stralman but I almost broke my keyboard when the picks weren’t involved.
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I was playing Xbox and let me tell you many a player died in the name of vengeance for Stralman. >:(
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankfully, we’re a tight knit group of caring brethren who are there for each other through the tough times and help shed light on the reflex of blunder we’ve become so used to. PPP + BB = serenity now!
Did anyone play a game where your friends would yell out a category (name five breakfast cereals; name at least five Friday the 13th titles; five animals that start with “C”) and repeatedly punch you in the arm until you came up with five correct responses? (This might have been a variation on the upside down “ok sign” game where you get to punch someone in the arm if they look at the sign. If they can put their finger through your ok-sign, they get to punch you. Maybe I’m hallucinating all of this, I’m getting too old to remember the details).
Anyways, I think name five young highly regarded leaf defencemen who turned out to be busts would be a good question.
Berehowsky, Ware, Benning, Kronwall, Dempsey, Nylund, Pilar, Tremblay, Stralman – I’m sure there are many more…
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With apologies to St. Louis, I think Splodeybones v 1.0 would count as a correct answer to that question.
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by jrwendelman on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because he played in Oshawa…
He was a first round pick, 15th overall. I’d say that counts as highly regarded.
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Also, I remember playing that game.
Good thing the category wasn’t ‘top-6 forwards on the Leafs’, cause you’d be standing there till your arm fell off.
by Godd Till on Jul 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember him playing ok back in ’96 or ’97 and then wrecking his knee in a late season game. He was done after that.
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he was pretty decent, until he nearly lost an eyeball, and heck he was still NHL calibre after that.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
also
not drafted by the Leafs. He was drafted by the Sens (I believe?) and refused to play for them.
Therefore, they sent Hossa after him.
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
As per my tweet earlier
The next lidstrom?? Pffftt more like the next Anders Eriksson!!
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by leafer1984 on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I saw that and it made me feel much better.
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Anders Eriksson…
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
Eriksson, Stralman, Kronwall – the Flames are liking the Leafs ex d-men.
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Also, face off specialist and penalty killer.
by Cat Smasher on Jul 28, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont see him getting much time on the leafs, too many centers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Matt Stajan.
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EB – you and i are on the same page on just about everything, but i’m not with you on the stajan hatred. i think ‘complete indifference’ best describes my stance.
as esentially useless and dismissed by Leaf fans he has been, i am thuroughly convinced that if a first line center is not brought in, Stajan will start the season as the leafs first line faceoff man
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That frightens me, but you might be right.
Stajan went 51.4% on the draw last season.
Mickey Grabs: 44.5%
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yeah, grabbo is a second line center, its where he is most effective so i cant see him moving up
JMFM is awesome and all, but peaks at a third line center 2nd line filler, and with Wallin, Mayers, Premeau…..yeah
stajan it iws
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Mickey’s the first line centre to me. Way more upside than Stajan.
Let’s see how she shakes out.
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if he can step up and gain some really good consistancy I can see it, but not at his current state
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s only my opinion, but I can’t fathom any possibility where Stajan is the #1 centre. Once Antro and Moore were traded, Mitchell was getting more ice time than #14 last season.
Anyway, Malhotra won 58% of his draws last season. Fourth-highest percentage in the league. SIGN THAT SHIT, YO.
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yah, but being a number one center is more than just face offs (although thats a pretty big part) its the ability to put up points, work well with your first line wingers, etc
Stajan has some chemestry with Poni and did have a pretty good point thing going there for a while until he was assulted with a soccer ball.
on that alone i think he gets the starting nod
i dont think he’ll be there all season though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOO!
COME BACK HOME, DOMINIC MOORE!!!1
Do not like this.
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for 1 mill a season!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
54.1% in the faceoff circle.
HE OWNS THAT DOT, YO.
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he also has excellent foot work
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
more than half!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true. I don’t know why he bothers me so much. And he’s coming off a career year!!1 55 points. Unbelievable.
I’ll stop hating. For now. He’s earned a reprieve.
Thanks for the guidance, my good man.
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just imagine how thankful you will be for that career season when Burke parcels him off in a package for a top 6 and Kaberle stays!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn’t really trying to offer guidance – we’re allowed to disagree. sometimes.
but glad you’re going to give little matty stajan a second chance. he’s put in his time, and he’s earned our indifference!
Agreed. 40 assists. Totally exceeded expectations last season.
by general borschevsky on Jul 28, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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Does anyone find it amusing that the last two headlines on the Matchsticks and Gasoline blog were about their questionable forward depth, and blueline prospect depth respectively… and then they go on to talk about how good of a trade this was for them? Hilariously Maurician if you ask me.
Not really. Primeau adds nothing to our forward depth – we’ve got a pile of kids who can do his job, with less fear of injury, at half the cost. That cost is what makes it a good trade for Calgary. Primeau was not going to be a Flame this year. He was being traded, or he was going to Abbotsford. This is a great trade for Calgary because we cleared the salary, we were able to do right by Primeau, and we got some bodies out of the deal.
Well then in that respect this is an even better trade for the Leafs. We have a pile of defensmen and 3rd or 4th liners who could do Stralman or Stuart’s jobs. Also, neither Stralman or Stuart were going to be Leafs this year: they were being traded, or going to the Marlies. This is a great trade for the leafs because we cleared a contract to make room for new faces, gave Stralman a shot at cracking an NHL team, and shed some bodies.
If that is your logic then basically we traded you a 7th rounder for a 2nd rounder… be proud.
It's like you guys have forgotten
that ideally in any transaction both parties get what they want.
The Leafs lost 2 expendable bodies from the bottom of the depth chart, and a 7th rounder in exchange for a Penalty Killing Veteran Centre with size and a 2nd rounder.
Calgary lost an expendable player who is injury prone for a young offensive blue liner and another checking forward that’s cheaper and younger, and all they lost in the process was a 2nd round pick.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I was just trying to parallel his logic whilst making the opposite conclusion, showing him exactly what you just said. If you notice, my sentences are basically his with a few nouns changed.
Your comment seemed to imply that you felt the Flames were dealing from a weakness into a strength. I was simply addressing how the Flames forward ranks are no weaker as a result of this deal.
All told, all sides are happy, except, possibly, for Canuck fans. That’s about as close to a perfect, if minor, trade as one can expect.
Michael Scott says it should be Win – Win – Win
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Since I can’t be bothered to start yet another Leaf’s blog, here’s my take.
First off, it’s very strange to finally, after a life of mild compulsion and bad decisions, to go through the entire “Stralman traded for crap” period with total equanimity. I just was not worried at all, and had a strong feeling it would come out in the wash. Trust me, finally having evidence that I’m developing patience after 41 years of trying is nice.
I think it’s because, for the first time in a long time, I trust the Leaf’s GM. Ya know?
Think back to what the team was like at the start of last season- D and goal a wreck, somehow, without a discernible plan, we were scoring goals in bunches, and we were getting pounded into the boards every night. (That last point pissed me off more than anything else- there’s no place in my universe for a Leaf team without truculence)
Now we have a GM who not only has a plan, and it’s one most of us can all at least agree is a worthy one, but he is out there working his ass off every day trying to make it happen. I swear we have one of the hardest-working GMs in the league, and given Peddie-pooper’s choices in the past, I’m just tickled pink. As a former cellular sales agent, I would kill to have MLSE’s contract under my belt. I would bet that fishing or not, Burkie’s minutes went down maybe 15% on that “week off”. He is talking to everyone.
I guarantee that even if we’re all completely wrong about if this is a set-up trade, BB is working it and shaking every bush from Florida to Vancouver to see what turns up.
And that makes me very happy.
It’s the least LeafsNation deserves.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
I’m just curious, how did Leaf bloggers coin the name Barilkosphere for your group?
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Okay, so what does that mean though? How does Leaf blogosphere = Barilkosphere
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Barilko? He was a player for the Leafs in the 50s, #5, scored a Stanley Cup winning goal. Died in a plane crash that summer. One of only 2 Leafs to have their number retired.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and they never won another!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Barilko, Leafs defenceman, scored the Stanley Cup winning goal. Died in a plane crash. Didn’t win another Cup until his body was found. Has one of the only 2 numbers retired by the Leafs.
As to why him and not another Leaf? Beats me
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cause it sounds cool
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d get a Bailey jersey if it wasn’t a jersey foul
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wendelsphere would’ve been nice, but Wendel didn’t approve of being linked to something round. He’s all jagged edges and sharp points covering a titanium exo-skeleton.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
You should just settle with Chucknorrisphere and be rest assured it would be the most awesome conglomerate name ever coined.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the seagalosphere would argue, but it went straighttovideosphere
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The Bergosphere.
OH GOD YES.
A Toronto sports blog, where unabashed homerism is alive and well...
PLAYOFFS!!!!1
Bestersphere
Bealkshere!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sundin-o-sphere.
Just for eyebeleaf.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
little known fact, in the dressing room wellwood was known as the Buffetosphere
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny, I heard the same thing about Dustin Penner.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds like a medical term.
“Yes, we reconnected his Kordicoshere to his Berg-back. We had to close off about 30 bleeding VanRyns though.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
the coliacosphere is, as you would imagine, broken
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Borchevskisphere?
Yes, I like that one. Spelling could use some work though.
by general borschevsky on Jul 28, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
THANKS!
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I still like the name Oilogosphere better. I’m such a homer.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
meh, no zaz or story behind it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
it rolls off the tongue
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so does castor oil
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure why they didn't name it the
Gretzkysphere… I mean… is that too obvious?
Perhaps the Samenkosphere would be better.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the kurrisphere!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice. Cue the jokes about the contents of Oilers fans heads.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
furhosphere?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But then we’d have to actually share with Oilers fans.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
i like the sound of the smithosphere for the oilers
nice and historic
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Which Smith are we talking about here? I hope you don’t mean Steve.
As for Oilers spheres with history, I’d have to recommend
Bonsignoresphere
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
oh you know who i ment
I do like coglianoshphere though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the Moogosphere!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i like coglianosphere as much as i like coliacosphere
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
rolls off the tongue!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
what happens if we keep replying and the thing runs out of space
and try saying coglianosphere five times fast
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Space filler experiment part 1.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Space filler experiment part 2.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We got Jason Smith, you got Curtis Joseph. Let’s call it even.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s nothing tragic about Gretzky’s time here except that it was too short, plus we wont a cup after he left.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have gone with Buchbergosphere, but that’s just me.
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Because I name things around here and “The Chemmysphere” doesn’t sound right.
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Threadjack
but I’m super pumped about our fantasy league
by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
I look forward to starting well, fading badly and finishing with a pick just outside the lottery!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like how i work, excellent start and then running out of mangames and finnishing low
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
“Mangames” Sounds like fun.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
bow chicka bow wow
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown chicken, brown cow? Am I doing it right?
by theothervatican on Jul 28, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Blarg chicka honk honk!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m looking forward to sending out 4-6 trade proposals a day, and spending way too much time analyzing the relative fantasy benefits of paul martin vs jaro spacek. in 3 different pools.
i can’t frickin wait till october.
Awww
Tomas’ brother has been bought out…
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Bring him here. Forget the Schenn brothers. Kaberle Brothers!
A Nation of Masochists The waiting is the hardest part.
BLASPHEMY!!!
YOu should be catapulted for that
The Leafs may not win everygame, but they will beat the shit out of you
Truculence FTW
bringing in his brother won’t make people forget Tomas if they trade him…which they likely aren’t
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
no
we already have eleventy billion defensemen.
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Frantisek, forward, no?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
nope
defenseman
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
but
Frank is a cup winner.
how weird it is to type that…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 28, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
not only that
he also scored the cup winning goal.
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomas’ brother has been bought out
We should sign him and then re-open the Kessel trade dialogue with Boston.
BB: “Yeah, we’ll give you Kaberle for Kessel. Straight up. Sign here.”
PC: “Kaberle for Kessel straight up? Awesome. Why are you giggling so much, Brian?”
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Jul 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PC- Isn’t it normal to put the player’s first name on the contract?
BB- Um, not for Europe-born players.
PC- Well, ok then. Where do I sign?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
if you stop talking ill throw in Keith Premeau
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
if you stop talking ill throw in Keith Premeau
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
toss in Brett Lindros for kicks?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 28, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
/waggles tee-pee’d fingers
Excellent!
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i love how other teams fan rip on our prospects but when one ends up on their team there the next coming of christ. Stralman will be too soft for the Sutters liking.
Praise OLAS
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by furcifer on Jul 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
That’s hilarious.
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by raventalon40 on Jul 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
IF THIS DOESN’T GET REC’D I WILL PERSONALLY VISIT YOUR HOME AND FORCEFULLY ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER.
As per new community rules; all signature tags on PPP must contain the word "truculent".
(843): the red head has a bf
(1-843): just because there's a goalie doesn't mean u can't score
by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 28, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks babycakes.
As per new community rules; all signature tags on PPP must contain the word "truculent".
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 28, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
hey
who took the Bertuzzi fanshot off the front page? Now I can’t get to it!
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 5:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
here you go
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Stalk me here...
by blurr1974 on Jul 28, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it made me sick looking at it on the front page. Plus it’s just random rumour mongering. Not front-page worthy.
Weird that you can’t get to fanshots though.
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yeah, I have a long list of improvements for the mobile site. It sucks having to go to the full site version. Aslong as it’s not on the front page I will assume it’s nor happening.
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by Karina on Jul 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Disaster of a move.
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