Phil Kessel Anticipation Station
by Chemmy on Sep 10, 2009 6:20 PM EDT
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PrintPhil Kessel has made it clear that he doesn't intend to negotiate any longer with the Bruins, his Toronto-based agent in recent days informing the Boston front office that the right winger's priority instead is to sign a free-agentoffer sheet with one of the league's 29 other teams. - Bruins Blog
The day is here, Phil Kessel isn't negotiating with Boston and is waiting for an offer sheet to sign. This alone doesn't mean that Kessel won't stay with Boston or is hostile towards management. This means Kessel is testing the waters. Boston reserves the right to match any offer made to Kessel or to accept compensatory draft picks from the team that signs him to the offer sheet.
Kessel's looking for salary in the $4.5-$5M range meaning compensation for signing Kessel will be a first, second and third round draft pick. Is this worth it?
Here are some things to consider:
- The players who scored more goals per game than Kessel last year are: Alexander Ovechkin, Jeff Carter, Zach Parise, Ilya Kovalchuk, Marian Hossa, Thomas Vanek.
- The 2010 draft contains two good draft picks up top (Taylor Hall and Kirill Kabanov) but allegedely drops off quickly after that. The Leafs will probably be picking between 12-18.
The easiest way to explain why this is worth it is the following: if a team drafts a player who's only the 12th best prospect of his draft class it's unlikely he'll blossom into the 12th leading goal scorer in the NHL by age 21 as Kessel has. If the price of turning a mid round first into truly elite talent is a second and a third round draft pick there's no question at all: make the deal.
We'll hear an awful lot about how Toronto always trades their draft picks and needs to rebuild and this is completely different: Kessel is still only 21. This isn't giving up the future for a washed up asshole like Owen Nolan, this is guaranteeing our first rounder next year is an NHL superstar. Let's hope Burke makes the most attractive offer and Kessel is wearing blue and white this fall.
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i was trying to work in the “42” from HHGTTG
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
Yes
In a heartbeat
Or in a Wellwood dinner session, whichever speedy situation you prefer
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 10, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Wellwood’s time at the dinner table cannot actually be measured in units of time. You have to use chaos math theory to calculate it.
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by kidkawartha on Sep 10, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You need imaginary numbers.
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like maybe...
12 parsecs?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like the kessel run in Star Wars, where distance is the meaurement. In this case, the length of italian sausage that is consumed.
by Its Cold In Here on Sep 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
also
if Kessel does sign with the Leafs, that means I need to get another new jersey
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions
My Steen authentic is waiting to get relettered.
Beauchemin or Kessel. Hopefully I have a choice to make. :)
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Kessel...#18
lining up next to Kadri in #19
/drools
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Oh God....
Please make it happen.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Sep 10, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends
on the contract length. I don’t believe the Leafs will truly be a cup contender for about 4 years or so, and if Kessel becomes a UFA at that time or before, what’s the point? If we sign him for 4.5 mil now, how much is he going to want in 4 years, and why not just wait until then?
If however we can lock him up a few more years, so that his (hopefully considered low or at least affordable) cap hit is on the books then I say yes.
The problem with doing it longer, as Leafies pointed out yesterday I think, is that the value of the contract is spread over 5 years for compensation purposes rather than the actual length of the contract.
Plus, if Kessel becomes worth signing in 4 years the Leafs will never be able to afford him or be able to get at him from his current team. This is a rare opportunity to get a guy that under normal circumstances wouldn’t be available. If we wait we end up like JFJ waiting for Luongo to be a UFA.
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Kessel – Bozak – Stahlberg as your first line for the next couple years.
Giggity.
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If there is a trade, I have a scary suspicion STalberg is going
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by Karina on Sep 10, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, I dont see Burke moving him, he is poised to be a big part of the rebuild
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Do I hear bells of a 12 year contract, hmm?
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No. Leafies dropped knowledge on all of us yesterday, in terms of compensation for the signing the “compensation hit” is calculated as the total salary divided by the number of years in the contract or five years whichever is less.
4.5 mil per year for 5 years means we’d give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
4,5 mil per year for 12 years means we’d give up four first round picks.
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Oh, I read Leafies comment (was it yesterday?) and agreed with what he said fully. mainly because it was correct. I would puke if Burke offered Kessel a 12 year type contract. It’s not financially feasible or prudent at this point.
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I think term is important too. If Kessel is going for big money as an RFA I’d want some assurances that he’s not just going to bolt as soon as he’s a UFA.
by Mirinov's Nose on Sep 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep the 2nd?
If my research is correct, if we can sign him to just under $4.5M/year on an offer sheet, we’d only lose our first and third round picks. I say do it.
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What would happen if we signed him for $4.495 million plus bonuses? How could/would Boston react?
Then it would give Burkie a year to recover those two other picks……..
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
somehow we’d get in trouble for doing something perfectly legal and be penalized the 2nd rounder all the same.
/checks tin foil hat for fitting
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t work the way you’re expecting it to.
Bonuses are only exempt from the cap if it’s an entry-level contract, or if the contrat was signed previously when the bonus deferral was allowed.
So any bonuses are going to count against Kessel’s cap hit.
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Thanks for clearing it up!
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I’m doing like 8 things at once, so it was a little shorter and blunter than i would have wanted, but yeah. lol
haha
Straight and to the point. I like it.
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If the Leafs sign him, he should pick a number that is less than 12
by Its Cold In Here on Sep 10, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
Warning: Damien Cox Style Allusion ahead
Kessel had surgery like Jeff O’Neill’s.
To balance that out, I’m doubtful that Kessel will follow O’Neill’s all-cheeseburger rehab plan.
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The only thing I would say to that is that the circumstances are very different.
Kessel’s coming off a break-out season, and Boston can’t or won’t sign him to the money he wants.
O’Neill requested a trade because his brother had died and he wanted to be closer to home, but his head wasn’t right.
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just saw this on Twitter re: Salary compensation...
Someone needs to tell Felger that Kessel tied for 12th in NHL in goals scored. Avg salary of guys ahead of him on list: 6.25 mil per season
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions
Also Kessel only played 70 games. He’s 7th in G/GP.
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so
$4.5M is still a bargain…
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm..
what would you rather spend $10M on?
Ovechkin
or Kessel, Grabovski & Ponikarovsky?
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nah
3 players at $10M means you’ve got more of your roster filled out. Problem with this is that eventually the Caps can only afford to surround Ovie with scrubs and you get what Lemieux had to put up with during his comeback years: an ECHL caliber team with one guy carrying it.
how long before a competitor like Ovie says he wants out?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
$10 million is still a lot of dough. I would pick Ovie obviously, but having three players who can make up production of a single player is very, very hard to pass up. Washington is lucky they players like Semin playing at relatively cheap prices right now.
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That’s going to be trouble.
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Which is why Washington will have similar troubles to salary just like Chicago very soon.
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Except I don’t think that McPhee will be “forgetting” to fax in the qualifying offers.
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Although it’ll be tough to use the fax machine when Burke mashes his fingers with bricks.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
If this does happen, I look forward to a whicker column in which he ruminates on the practise drills Kessel missed during cancer treatment, and closes by pithily instructing Kessel to “have a ball in Toronto.”
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by puckurgently on Sep 10, 2009 5:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 9 recs
Oh Wow
That is a brilliant comment.
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by puckurgently on Sep 10, 2009 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe my vocabulary just increased 0.01% by reading your comment. Splendorous.
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by puckurgently on Sep 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone asked what Bozak's bonus was this year
According to capgeek.com its 2.85 mil, for a 3.725 total cap hit.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Sep 10, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 10, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
That was a funny exchange.
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by kidkawartha on Sep 10, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
You've never heard of Brian Burke?
He’s the GM that signed Phil Kessel!
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
hahaha nice
This needs to happen now.
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I love the picture
it would be that much sweeter with him in the blue and white.
Imagine: Kessel, without having to give up Kaberle.
(I just pitched a tent.)
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something to think about...
According to this article, Phil Kessel recorded 6 hits in 70 games…
truculent?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
Hits = not truculent
Playing with one testicle = TRUCULENT!!!1
And he doesn’t hit because he swoops in like a ghost and is gone with the puck just as fast.
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hey, i’m the fore-bearer of Kessel fandom round here.
just saying, 6 hits…?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
hehe
WITCH!
6 sounds obscenely low. Even Stajan has been credited with more and that’s not counting the times he hits the opponent’s shoulder with the middle of his chest.
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i wonder if Stajan gets hits tallied for the number of times he’s hit elbows with his head in the neutral zone.
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he got two hits due to a soccer ball to the face
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
you forgot:
TRUCULENT!!!1
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
my bad! TRUCULENT!!!1
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again
Burke says he does want his top 6 forwards to be skilled. I don’t know that they necessarily had to be truculent (or TRUCULENT!!!1). Though that probably wouldn’t hurt.
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
On the other hand
6 hits… OLAS looks at a guy sideways and is credited with 6 hits!
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Burke’s ideal top six forwards never have to do anything other than dazzle us with their skills and goals.
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Yessel for Kessel...
I just don’t like giving up the three picks all at once…I like the idea of a player package (no Kaberle, as the money makes no sense to Boston) with the 1st…we have a few excess d-men
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
strange, how quiet TSN has been on this whole thing…
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
THERE IS STUFF GOING ON IN THE DESERT!!!1
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Another thing to think about...
Blake Wheeler signed with the Bruins so he could play with good buddy…Phil Kessel.
Wheeler is an RFA in…2011
just saying.
/tin foil hat
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
and
in 2011 the B’s also have to qualify:
Lucic
Sobotka
Rask
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking we need to find a way to make wearing tin foil hats stylish!
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Blake Wheeler’s redonkulous SHG
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so pretty…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that video
reminds me why americans should NEVER be involved in a hockey broadcast
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope the Leafs don't sign Kessel to an offer sheet
1) Even though Burke has stated that the Leafs are retooling, what they should be doing is REBUILDING. Sure, Kessel has talent and is only 21, but the Leafs farm system still needs to improve. The Leafs aren’t ready to be moving picks yet.
2) If it were like the 2011 draft, then I’d be all for it since it’s supposed to be a very weak draft (ala 1999). Though, the 2010 draft is considered by many scouts to be a fairly good one. The chances of the Leafs getting someone good is pretty high.
3) He was helped by one of the most underrated playmaking centres in the NHL, Marc Savard. If the Leafs had someone like that, then I’d be more than welcome to an offer sheet, but they don’t (Or, at least, not anyone ready yet).
4) His attitude could be an issue, though this could be solved.
For #2
I meant the chances of the Leafs getting someone good in the 2010 draft is higher than in the 2011 draft.
Nazem Kadri, Kenny Ryan, Jamie Devane
I would trade them in a fraction of a second for Kessel right now.
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no matter where the Leafs draft
a pick is still a gamble over a proven NHLer.
See Stefan, Patrick, Brendl, Pavel, Daigle, Alex etc…
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. The only argument that ever applies against trading picks for players is the “mortgaging the future” one. When you’re talking about a 21-year-old, that dog won’t hunt, Monsignor.
Whether he’s worth three or not might be a debate, but freaking out over the fact that picks are involved is unjustified.
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by puckurgently on Sep 10, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not against signing Kessel to an offer sheet but I think people are using the word proven a bit loosely here.
Kessel’s had one good season. He hasn’t scored 20 before that (granted it was only two years) but I would hardly consider him proven. There are some players who have only had one good year before flaming out.
See Andrew Raycroft, Jonathan Cheechoo, etc
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Sep 10, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel was always projected as an elite scoring talent though, whereas Cheechoo and Raycroft were seen as legit NHLers, but not elite players.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Sep 10, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course he could flame out. I’d still say there’s more evidence suggesting he’ll be able to get it done at the NHL level than there is for, say, Taylor Hall.
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by puckurgently on Sep 10, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I’m not doubting that. My whole thing is with him being called proven. If he scored 30+ 3-4 years then I would consider him proven but a one time thing could very well be a fluke. Especially if it was a big jump like what we saw last year.
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Sep 10, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Semantics.
What matters is the likelihood of that happening compared with who you’d give up to get him. Kessel comes out favourably in any such comparison with an undrafted prospect. That’s the essence of the “proven” argument, even if that isn’t quite the right word.
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by puckurgently on Sep 10, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Poni hasn’t scored 30 ever. Is he not a proven NHLer?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For his role, yes. Is Kessel a proven goal scorer (which is his role)? No. He could put up third line points from hereon and still be considered a proven NHLer but I wouldn’t want to give up three picks for that.
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Sep 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I may consider it also, especially Devane
However, Kessel was helped by a very talented Marc Savard. THAT’S my concern. Who knows? If he really does mesh with the Leafs like, lets say, Gilmour, then I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong.
If, however, Kessel doesn’t reach expectations and the picks used turn out to be good ones, it would likely hamper the rebuilding process (If it still is a rebuild anymore) for the Leafs.
Rome wasn’t built in one day.
Kessel
will have Nazem Kadri.
Savard was nothing until he got on a line with Kovalchuk and Hossa. He signed in Boston based on those numbers he put up there. Not saying he’s overrated as I like the guy, but you have to wonder how good Savard would look without a guy like Kessel being able to finish for him…
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Kadri
I don’t think he’s NHL ready yet. He’s close, but I more see him playing next season. He has the talent (Trust me, when I saw him, he has bucketloads of talent!), but he needs to increase his size so he isn’t pushed around so much. We’ll see.
Even if 2010 is better than 2011 draft-wise, it’s not like we’re talking about 2003 here. Without Kessel, the Leafs are going to be picking 10-15 overall. Absolute, best-case scenario is that who ever they draft at that spot is the player Kessel is now.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Sep 10, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 10-15 may be a bit optimistic
I was thinking more top 10. Though, I’d like to be proven wrong. :)
the last thing i heard about his attitude was during his draft year, as it was a reason for him falling as far as he did.
i’ve not heard anything about it since he started playing in the NHL, and certainly not since his cancer diagnosis. i really think it’s a non-issue at this point.
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if this counts but there have been rumors that Kessel isn’t very well liked by his teammates.
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by Brad Ackerson on Sep 10, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw that he wasn’t well liked on the US junior team, or with the guys he played at on the Gophers in uni, but nothing about his time in the NHL.
got a link?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 10, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
1999 was supposed to be a very strong draft. 2010 is supposed to be a terrible draft.
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Not according to the scouts I’ve been reading as of recent. It’s not the strongest of drafts, but it’s pretty good.
I’ve heard that after the top three, it’s pretty average.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Sep 10, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
ive heard elite top 3, the next 3 are decent but then there is a massive drop off
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if it has been mentioned here yet but...
according to Sportsnet Kessel is denying that he has cut off talks with the Bruins http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/09/10/kessel_bruins/
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
nnnnnooooooooooooo
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by Karina on Sep 10, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
/looks around for Arch
Sportsnet’s not the most reliable source…. (see Ponikarovsky to the Preds)
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by Karina on Sep 10, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well they got lanky euro leaf to borderline NHL city right
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been trying hard not to follow this saga because it’s annoying as hell. Damn you people and your optimism.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel for White!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
optimism
it’s how we leaf fans survive
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by Karina on Sep 10, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that and alcohol
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He admitted negotiations and trade rumours have been unpleasant and the odds of playing for the Bruins are slim at this point.
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If he doesn’t play here he will be booed here. But I guess when you’re making 5 million you just don’t care do you?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
why would you boo him? its not his fault the GM didnt leave enough room under the cap to sign him
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
BECAUSE HE WAS HERE AND HE LEFT AND IT DRAGGED ON FOR FUCKING EVER.
It’s hard to boo chiarelli.
State of the Bruins is coming up on the 17th…that’s going to maybe be a shitshow.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it comes down to worth.
Kessel thinks he is worth a certain amount and Chiarelli thinks he is worth a different amount.
Unfortunately, those two numbers are obviously not close.
Don’t boo him for that. There are lots of reasons to boo someone, thinking he is trying to get fair value for his services is probably not one of them.
If he decides not to go to camp or if he was under contract and he sits, that is a really good reason to boo him.
Bad reasons to boo someone: See Habs fans
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If Chiarelli had 5 mill in cap space i have no doubt Kessel would be signed for close to 4
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Me either.
GOOD THING WE’VE GOT 2 FUCKING MILLION OF DEAD CAP SPACE!!!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
bergeron, hint hing
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
At least when he’s a dead weight he doesn’t take up cap space.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry CH, I like you and all but you won’t get much sympathy for me in this situation.
We had JFJ and haven’t made the playoffs since the lockout.. you guys finished first in the conference last year.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not expecting sympathy. This is a divisional rival’s site.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
A divisional rival that looks like it is trying to poach your young talent….
At least we are civil!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
speak for yourself
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I do, a lot.
That’s part of my problem
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you maintain the balance on the civility
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole kessel situation has been dragging on for the whole summer and frankly I’ve just wanted it to be over for at least a month. It’s aggravating as hell.
Civility isn’t very truculent.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well, at least you dont have to deal with heatly
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Sundin.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
See, there goes the Civility right out the window!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the only one that has to deal with Sundin this year is is new wife.
Must be a pain living with him.
“What do you want for dinner, Honey?”
“Ummmm, ahhhh, errrm…. this is too much pressure… get back to me in about 6 months”
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i cant decide if im gonna rec it or not, ill get back to you in 6 months
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Very good counterpoint recced
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 11, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I can be perfectly civil, right up until the first Leafs/Bruins game… after that, keep your head up!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer to keep my elbows AND my head up.
Wednesday…..sure it’s preseason, but still.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Got my Leafs TV all up and ready to go.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
just don’t watch the rookie game on rogers…its uncivil!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t – Don’t live in the Toronto area.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
its against the Sens…no connection for them up there?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya right.
The Sens media are worse than the team… if that is possible..
Also the coverage is crap.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah…the coverage seems to be full fail up there…and mute works for me if the talking heads are the expected homers…
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember the first few seasons after the lockout where they had Pay Per View games??
What a laughing stock. I guess it was just more of the same BS, just extra. It was a big flop.
Pissed me off because one of those PPV games was a Leaf game
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
they know that Leafs and Habs fans still outnumber Sens fans
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
NHL Network for me…just as soon as I make my roommate add the channel.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just go all Lucic on him, put him through the window from behind.
After he does the ’there’s glass in my hair’ dance, you will have your NHL Network
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We were both at that game. :D
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you get a piece of Van Ryn’s soul as a souvenir?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They were handing them out wrapped in shards of glass at the exit, I got one of the last ones.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 10, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs TV isn’t carrying the rookie torney live.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 10, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I know..:(
But they are carrying 6 of the preseason games
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they get off their asses and carry some marlie games this year
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 10, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Cox has his “Draft, Schmaft?! Leafs do it again!” article dusted off?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
Like DGB with a Wellwood joke, that is ready to fire at all times. And he has an itchy trigger-finger.
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If we don’t get Kessel, then Burke was too scared to pull the trigger and improve his team right now.
If we get Kessel, we threw away our future by trading draft picks for a guy with a poor attitude.
Typical Coxian theory
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hi Damien!
I didn’t know you were a member here!
Seriously though, you are right on. Both those articles are being prepped as we speak.
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I am all for Kessel but this post injury trend scares me
Kessel
Komisarek
Beauchemin
Bozak
Di Domenicao
all have had major injuries last year. Who knows if they will fully recover. If the Leafs sign Kessel he would’t play till December.
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True, but we drafted Dido before he got Femur’ed
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Right but we don’t have that excuse for the others.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 10, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Beauchemin did play awesome when he came back from his injury in the playoffs so im not worried about him
Bozak cost nothing but money so nothing lost if his knee explodes, same with Komi
Kessel is gonna cost a lot
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If Komi is not recovered it is far more significant than Bozak.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 10, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
quite true, but at least we didnt trade for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cost us cap space in a roster spot… and while definitely not insignificant, it is at least recoverable.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
True, it is a matter if he is hurt enough to go on LTIR or if he is just injured enough to play crappily…
I would prefer the first option.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 11, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Btw, in case you guys are wondering
The Sens are crushing the Leafs 7-0 in the 2nd Period at the Rookie Tournament. Holy crap, we can’t play defense nor pass the puck properly!
poor remier, he isnt even playing badly
but its hard to stop em all when your getting 20 shots a period
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God the Monster isn’t playing – think of the headlines tomorrow.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 10, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I have concerns with his lateral movement and positioning, but I blame mostly the defense and poor passing for this game.
yeah, he;s young and not very experienced, so he;s gonna need some work
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
if gustavsson was in net it would only be 2-0, maybe not even that
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Being the best goalie in the ECHL…
Take it for what it is worth. He will get his chance on the Marlies this year. Also, our goaltending coach should help
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking
He kinda railroaded himself out of town.
I had hopes for him for the last few years but he was the only prospect we had that I kept hearing how much of a poor attitude he had.
I don’t like them apples, Will
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 11, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame Gillbert, I am so glad that fucker is gone
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 11, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh and also he played pretty poorly for the Marlies and played like shit with the Leafs(and I agree – the defense and forwards did not help him out)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 11, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
the team quit in front of him tonight…someone gets truculent tonight and a player wakes up with a dead horse in his bed
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, do we have any good defensive prospects?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Blacker and Gunnarsson were good…..were
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Blacker and Gunslinger
Have actually been pretty good in the Rookie Tournament. They’re just having a bad game tonight IMO.
especially Gunnar…he’s just looks beat
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like it is more of a conditioning issue. Playing 4 games in what, 5 nights?
A lot of these prospects are European/US College kids who are probably not used to playing so many games in such a short time.
Whatever, they will learn from it. Also, they will remember it in 5 years when they are playing against some of these NHLers on the Sens…
Truculence doesn’t forget
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want to see Greenop maul one sen rookie and this game will not have been a total loss
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
they gotta do something to salvage some pride
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Dress Colton Orr in a Rookie’s uniform and let the shenanigans begin
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
throw luke schenn out there
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
wow…death blow
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
no mercy
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No, too many pregnancies would result
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Blacker didnt look tip top last game either, but he’s gonna develop well
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
or the open ice hits
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Open ice train wrecks… Loved Coli, but he threw himself around like he was indestructible.
There’s a way to throw a hit and he never learned that.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, you mean your not supposed to bounce off the player and fly headlong into the boards?
coulda fooled me
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, don’t look so surprised when the player you are about to hit up high ducks and you end up exploding your bones against the dasher
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he needs to use his less talented brother to be a stunt double
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, he’s a goalie though
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
So they are a reverse Lundqvist twin?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
with more bone explosions
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is hilarious though
His identical twin brother, not even mentioned.
How the hell does that happen?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
people are stupid in the media?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
awwww…cutoff…link
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 10, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have harvested the bones from his twin to build him better, stronger.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 10, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god, shut up about how calm and cool the sens goalie is, its like the cary price pre melt down fellatio all over again
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 10, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
shhh
think of how awesome it would be to see the Sens goalie turn into Carey Price
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by Karina on Sep 10, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget Kessel, pull a JFJ!!
From Darren Dreger/Twitter:
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oh lord please let the Habs sign him, he can run through hal gills legs without bending over jut like the rest of their forward acquisitions
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 11, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Montreal Sign Theo?
Well, that should help with their size issue up front.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 11, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
he would give Gomez someone to look up to
/badumching
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 11, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The only way Kessel leaves Boston is an offersheet of $6mil and up..so well above market..almost double.
Doubt that happens.
Ha, where’s Boston getting $6M in cap space? Plus if the Bruins lock up Kessel we’ll just start Lucic watch 11.
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Er where’s Boston getting $5M in cap space even.
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How do you figure that it’s going to take $6M+?
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