The Middle of the First Round
by Chemmy on Sep 21, 2009 2:04 PM EDT
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I typed my fingers to the bone for you people just so I could do some basic stat crunching. What I did was take every draft pick between 10 and 20 from the 2000 draft to the 2006 draft and enter their name, career games played and career points.
Then I figured out how many games played per season and points per season (a season being a season they player could have played in, not necessarily one they did play in) each class got which confirmed that the 2003 draft was stacked.
What can we do with this information? We can use it to analyze a Kessel trade. Here's a link to the whole spreadsheet but follow me through the jump and let's make some observations.
First off, for each draft class here's their points per eligible season and games played per eligible season:
| GP/Yr | PTS/Yr | |
| 2000 | 20.7 | 7.8 |
| 2001 | 34.2 | 14.8 |
| 2002 | 29.7 | 12.2 |
| 2003 | 47.3 | 27.1 |
| 2004 | 19.1 | 10.7 |
| 2005 | 14.5 | 6.8 |
| 2006 | 10.5 | 5.7 |
Not terribly inspiring numbers. For every player on that list like Anze Kopitar there's a player who never played in the NHL. Nineteen players drafted between 10th and 20th from 2000 to 2006 have zero NHL points (goaltender excluded).
So let's compare Phil Kessel, 222GP 126 Pts to his draft class (2006). To start, Kessel annihilates their GP/Yr (74 for Kessel, 10.5 for his draft class) and PTS/Yr (42 for Kessel, 5.7 for his draft class). He also torches the 2003 draft class on average.
In fact, if you take the two most productive draft years there, 2002 and 2003, and assume you could combine one average player from each of those rounds into one super player and then compared him to Kessel, it'd look like this:
| GP/Yr | PTS/Yr | |
| KESSEL | 74 | 42 |
| SUPERMAN | 77 | 39.3 |
Of course lots of things could happen to your first rounder. He could literally die before developing into elite talent like Luc Bourdon or Alexei Cherepanov. (Cherepanov isn't on the spreadsheet because the 07 draft class hasn't played many games yet, their numbers were very ugly). He could go play in the KHL if he felt he wasn't getting enough ice time like at least ten of the players on the sheet, or he could just plain old stink.
There's a lot to digest here and a lot of what-if scenarios to run through. I've been looking at the list and seeing if there were two players, each drafted a year apart, that I wouldn't trade for Kessel. Remember though, for every Semin-Getzlaf pair you'll pull out, or Frolov-Hemsky, there's a ton of Artem Kryukov-Igor Knyazev pairs. The draft is never a sure thing.
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re: conclusions.
There are a lot of busts in the bottom half of the 1st round. Where will Leafs actually finish? Are these picks lottery protected? Personally, I think the Leafs are going to really struggle to score, even with Kessel. If these turn into top 10 picks then it is a huge advantage for Boston.
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Why would Toronto struggle to score? Because they lost Antropov and Moore?
Toronto finished 10th in GF last year. Scoring isn’t their problem.
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Four roster players added this summer are offensive black holes.
Exelby
Komiarek
Wallin
Orr
No current Leaf player has broken 70 points in the NHL to my knowledge.
42 Hagman-NHL career high
69 Blake
61 Poni
48 Grab
67 Kaberle
52 Stempniak
The Leafs were lacking an offensive superstar—that collection of 2nd line forwards getting 1st line ice time is going to hurt now that Burke has gutted the defense of scoring ability.
I’m not the only one who thinks this. Puck Prospectus has the Leafs offense falling from 10th to 22nd in the NHL, but then again we could both be wrong. I’ll be stunned if the Leafs finish higher than 20th. Time will tell.
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by The Falconer on Sep 21, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not sure how much stock to put into a system that is a mystery to everyone but the writers.
They have the Leafs finishing 29th which I think is ludicrous considering that two much much worst rosters could only finish 7th last twice.
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They have the Leafs finishing 29th which I think is ludicrous considering that two much much worst rosters could only finish 7th last twice.
That will be tough to take, especially with the ‘08-’09 Habs still celebrating from the Stanley Cup that I assume they won last year (based on media projections).
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Burke has gutted the defense of scoring ability.
I disagree with this assessment. Kaberle is looking to be back to his 0.75 ppg form, Beauchemin has a cannon on the powerplay, and if Finger and Van Ryn are healthy they’ll produce points as well.
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I disagree completely. Sure, the Leafs don’t have a single superstar. But they didn’t have one last year either… and still made the top 10! After Moore and Antropov were traded their scoring output actually INCREASED. The Leafs do not adhere to the usual rules… they have a lot of guys on the second and third line who put up more points than most other teams’ second and third line players. In essence last season it was like they had 3 second lines.
What do you mean by “Burke has gutted the defense of scoring ability”? Only Kubina as an offensive threat is gone. Did you not see how beautifully Beauchemin and Kaberle worked together on the powerplay against the Flyers? That combo is far more of an offensive threat than Kaberle and Kubina ever were.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Sep 21, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
right...
so having an ‘offensive superstar’ is the key to team scoring?
is that why ottawa and tampa bay finished 23rd and 24th last year? and what about new jersey (14th with parise), carolina (16th with staal) and columbus (21st with Nash)?
No that’s not what I said. You have to have a lot of depth to make up for not having a 90 or 100 point player. Nobody on the Leafs roster has every broken 70 points, ergo they need depth to manufacture an above average offense.
Subtracting 48 odd goals supplied by Antropov, Kubina and Moore and replacing that with Kessel + 2 offensive black holes is going to have some impact.
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by The Falconer on Sep 21, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You forget that Grabovski, Kulemin, and Mitchell are still young and developing and should all be able to put up even better numbers than they did last year. Kaberle is looking to have a bounce-back year and Ponikarovsky and Stajan are both looking solid. You seem to treat it like getting rid of players simply creates a vacuum… it does not. As Burke said (and proved) last year, when you subtract a player from the equation others step up and fill the void.
-Graham-
by CanadianMaple09 on Sep 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bozak. Stalberg. Tlusty.
Most 100 point players receive a larger percent of the salary cap than they produce as a percentage of a team’s total offense.
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that’s basically the opposite of what you said above. you didn’t say you needed depth, you said you needed an ‘offensive superstar’. having an offensive superstar does not equal good team scoring.
beauchemin’s not a black hole – he’s a big shot on the point on the powerplay, just like kubina and mccabe were. as a bonus he also knows how to play defence.
kessel will make up a big chunk of the missing antro/moore offence, and i have reason to believe the young players like tlusty, bozak, kulemin, grabs, stempniak, etc, plus a hopefully healthy hagman, can improve enough over last year to help make up the rest.
No. not really. I was pointing out that the Leafs lack a superstar and have a lot of 2nd line forwards and two scoring defensemen—they overcame a lack of quality with a supply of quantity. However, this summer they undercut that depth without adding a superstar, ergo I expect their GF to decline.
To fall back on “every Leaf is young are ready for a break out or a bounce back season” is simply unrealistic. Most teams have a mixture of break out and bad seasons. Planning for a disproportionate share of good luck is going to lead to bitter disappointment I think.
I can see that minds are already made up here and I’m bashing my head against a wall, so I’ll just stop wasting your time.
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by The Falconer on Sep 21, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
No, the minds just have see this same song and dance three years in a row and the “someone will score” argument has come up trumps all three times.
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I don’t understand the loss of quantity argument.
It’s my understanding that the overwhelming consensus on the Hanson and Bozak signings was that these were guys who would be first round picks had they gone back in to the draft. Hence Burke feeling OK with the loss of the two first round picks.
Obviously, they’re not guarantees to produce at the NHL level, but no one ever is. Surely the projected offense of these two, coupled with the expected improvement in our GA thanks to a stronger and more skilled defense has to be factored in before pulling the “Oh, it’s Toronto, they’re 29th” card?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The Toronto Maple Leafs team bus will be hijacked by Anti-Hockey Militants in Kitchener while en route to a Buffalo game. This will derail their season causing them to forfeit twenty games and end up 29th, ahead of the Senators.
At least that’s my only guess as to why Puck Prospectus thinks TIM BRENT will be playing.
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seriously
who the eff is Tim Brent…?
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Pension Plan Puppets: WHO THE FUCK IS TIM BRENT
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a St. Mike’s boy that furcifer went to school with. Burkie signed him in the summer. I believe it went something like this: The Toronto Marlies Maple Leafs today signed Tim Brent to a contract….etc. etc.
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“Who the fuck is Tim Brent” is a shorter more truculent way of pointing out that Brent ain’t sniffing a Leafs jersey after the preseason.
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I know. My point was that:
(a) we were on top of the signing (it got fan shotted by somebody when announced); and
(b) everybody here read it and immediately understood the Marlies roster had increased by one player
I was supporting your basic point that Puck Prospectus is messed up GIGO style.
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Pension Plan Puppets: WHO THE FUCK IS TIM BRENT
Are you saying you don’t read PPP? Your own front page has all the info you need on Tim Brent
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I’m still waiting for the Jason Allison page to load. I haven’t gotten to the “B” names yet…
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Still waiting for the Allison page to load, but the Stalberg page loaded yesterday. ;)
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THERE’S A FRONT PAGE?!?
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THERE’S A FRONT PAGE?!?
There are rumours of such. Apparently they talk hockey there.
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The only loss this summer was Kubina. All comparisons to Bobby Orr aside, his projected 40-odd points are mostly offset by the ~28 Beauchemin should contribute.
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Beauchemin came into his prime behind Pronger and Niedermayer. There’s no reason not to think he has a chance of a breakout offensive season on the PP with Kaberle.
If he can’t do it then Jeff Finger knows how to score.
Fuck 29th and fuck Puck Prospectus. We’re probably going to Anaheim somebody in the first round of this year’s playoffs.
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by jrwendelman on Sep 21, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i’m not counting on every young leaf to break out or bounce back.
but i think it’s safe to assume beauchemin will replace some of kubina, kessel will replace some of antro/moore, and some young guys will chip in with a few as well. maybe we’re not 10th next year, but i’d be pretty surprised if we weren’t at least 15th. and that’s fine, if we can get our goals against down from 30th.
and bitter disappoinment? why do you think i’m here? it’s all i know man!
I love that Puck Prospectus article. Who the fuck is Tim Brent?
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I’ll answer that question for you since I’m a Leafs blogger: Tim Brent is not someone who will be playing for Toronto on opening night and never was.
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by mf37 on Sep 21, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would imagine that the picks aren’t lottery protected since they would have been reported as such.
As for scoring, the Leafs are tabbed to have trouble scoring every year.
Off the top of my head:
Last year they were 10th
The year before they were 11th
The year before they were 9th
The Leafs’ struggle with timely scoring not scoring.
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Chemmy – thanks for crunching the numbers.
All the math on the draft side points to mitigating the risks to this deal so long as the Leafs finish in the top 10. I just wish Kessel had more than one big year in the NHL under his belt so that there could be more certainty about his productivity.
The biggest variable remains the state of the Leafs’ goaltending. If it continues to be terrible, those lost draft picks rise in value (and the Leafs have fewer assets with which to address their goaltending situation).
Wouldn’t it be a huge irony if the Leafs’ run into problems between the pipes and call up Joey Mac to save them only to have the Bruins put in a waiver claim?
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That would be ironic, except I’m pretty sure MacDonald is on a two-way deal doesn’t he? Man, has he looked sharp so far.
Joey Mac is on a two-way deal, but that just dictates his salary at the NHL and AHL level.
As a 29 year old goalie with 66 NHL games under his belt, he’s no longer waiver protected and has to clear waivers if the Leafs call him up.
Waiver conditions can be found here.
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Wouldn’t the Bruins have to keep Joey Mac on their own roster then (I followed the link and did a quick once-over, but I don’t see much about the conditions applying to the claiming team). If so, isn’t it unlikely that they set back the development schedule of a guy like Rask basically in an effort to block the Leafs?
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A) I was kidding
B) No, the Bruins could waive MacDonald almost immediately after claiming him. Zigomanis was waived countless times one year
C) I think if a team claims a player off waivers, they can’t trade him for the rest of the season, but I’m not sure on that one…
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A) I’m an idiot;
B) This is such a pivotal moment in the rebuild I keep essentially waiting for the other shoe to drop and to discover the hidden facet of this trade (Leaf goaltending goes south(er), B’s block MacDonald’s rescue call-up) that makes it just as bad as “Hogue for Fichaud” was – er, was supposed to be. That one turned out rather a wash, didn’t it, after all, if by “wash” you mean the Leafs got a player who played in the NHL (albeit poorly) and the Isles got one who, well, didn’t;
C) Wait, I’m getting confused, what are we talking about; and
D) I’m an idiot. Just go with that one.
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Right. Yes, looks like he’s played enough games…
There is however a rehabilitation clause, so if we want to send Joey MacDonald to the minors without risk of him getting claimed, we need Luke Schenn to look intensely at his knee and hurt his ACL.
Anyone know Joey Mac’s AHL salary? I think he may be exempt from waivers if he’s earning less than $105K, but I find the waiver section of the CBA the most entangled and poorly written (50.9 g iii)
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Nice
According to capgeek, his AHL salary is $105,000. I read over 50.9 g iii, and I take it to mean that he is in fact waiver exempt.
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He may indeed be, if so, that’s some VERY nice work by the Leafs management right there.
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Joey MacDonald grew up a Leafs fan and wants to play in Toronto. It probably wasn’t a hard sell.
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This is also good because Macdonald doesn’t qualify for “Veteran Minor League Player” waiver-exempt status as persuant to 50.9 g (just below iii), because he played in more than 40 games in the NHL last season.
Had he played in only 39 NHL games last year, he would have qualified for VMLP status, been waiver exempt due to that, and his contract could have been more than $105k.
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Bruins probably won’t need a goalie, but maybe Chirarelli does it to spite…
Also, these numbers are fro 10-20 in the draft, so the Leafs only need to finish in the middle of the pack, not top ten.
I think what this illustrates, generally (not to discount all the hard stats work) is that the draft is a crap shoot, especially when you get out of the top 5-10 (depending on the year…and the next two years are supposedly weak, I keep hearing).
Thanks for this Mr. Chemmenstein. Makes me happy. We got Kessel! Woot!
by Leaf in Habland on Sep 21, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see Chiarelli as the type of guy who’s going to piss off other GM’s (not just Burke) by behaing like a petulant child.
The B’s got a great deal for Kessel, and had they wanted the initial offer from NAS, they should have taken it. The MLHS run down of the trade seems to indicate that Chiarelli used the NAS trade to try and drive the price of Kessel up from TO, and Burke then started saying things like “offer sheet” which made the Preds nervous about the whole trade.
Anyhoo, no I don’t think Chiarelli would claim a guy off waivers from us just to spite.
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
claim and trade-back
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
WHERE’S YOUR KES-SEL?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
TAKE NO PRISONERS
(except off the waiver wire)
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Kessel scored 13% of Boston’s goals. Without those goals the Bruins drop from 2nd in GF to 17th.
Discuss.
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by Chemmy on Sep 21, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
First off, rec’d for turning the argument of “who’s going to score for toronto?” on its head.
Secondly, allow me to pre-emptively suggest that any argument made for Boston could also be made for Toronto (with Grabovski, Kessel, Kulemin, etc)., sincethe only logical argument is the expectation that with increased ice time Bergeron, Sturm, Lucic etc. cover the shortfall from Kessel’s lost goals.
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Kessel was the highest-goal-scorer for the Bruins, yes. However, the second through twelfth player in goals scored are still there. Sorting the table by points, he’s the only one in the top ten missing.
We’ve lost 0 Short-handed goals, and 8 powerplay goals. Ryder, Savard, Wideman, and Chara all have more powerplay goals than kessel.
Leaving him with 28 ESG last year. 6 other bruins had more than half that: Wheeler, Kobasew, Krejci, Lucic, Savard, Ryder. All of them are staying. Of course, none of them have over 10 percent of the Bruins even-strength scoring.
However, I think Ryder-Savard will be a good matchup, and if Sturm can stay healthy (every finger and toe on my body is crossed on this one) then we won’t be missing out too much.
Plus we’ll have Tuukka to push Thomas to be as good a goalie as possible, that will help on the other end of things. I think that puts the Bruins in contention for another Jennings trophy, which was a huge help last year.
Even without 36 goals, the Bruins would be 238-196, or up 42 goals over the season. The only teams with 42 more goals for than goals against last year were Detroit, San Jose, and Chicago. 42 is still good enough for best GF-GA in the whole Eastern Conference.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m discussing, here. Care to add?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
1. All of your other players are old and busted.
2. Phil Kessel is the new hotness.
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Who are the five best shooters who used to play for Boston?
1. Kessel
2. Kessel
3. Kessel
4. Kessel
5. Kessel
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by Chemmy on Sep 21, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
- Krejci, Lucic, Wheeler, Rask for starters
- Phil Kessel isn’t going to be new or hot anything until he recovers from shoulder surgery.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
remember last week
when you were pleading with Burke to leave Kessel alone and hoping against hope that he would re-sign…?
good times.
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
shhhhhh
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s already recovered, he is jus giving the people of toronto time to prepare for the inate awesomness comming
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew I should have bought this on Friday:
Now it’s not worth anything. :(
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There was an 81/Kessel bruins third jersey selling for $47 at the pro-shop before the preseason game on saturday. I didn’t buy it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s how I got my Thornton jersey.
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If it’s still there next Saturday, I’ll pick it up.
The pro shop is only open during normal business hours, so I wouldn’t be able to get there until Thursday at the earliest.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously you just lost a 22 year old 36 goal scorer. You’re welcome to become a Leafs fan if you want to leave a sinking ship.
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna happen anytime soon.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
so next season?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubtful.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
so
you admit your GM is a whiny cry baby who got his dinner handed to him by Burke, who said “you’ll eat this and you’ll like it”
who’s your daddy? Brian Burke is your daddy.
that’s right…
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Be it resolved that Brian Burke took a divisional rival’s best player at the age of 22.
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I object. We do still have Savard and Chara, both of whom I would say are better than Kessel. Thomas had a great year, as well.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim “Old” Thomas, gotcha.
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and Tuukka “Young” Rask
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMN RIGHT
ALL THE GOOD GOALIES ARE CRAZY, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
a man that fat better not let in too many goals. that’s all i’m saying.
obviously, we should’ve converted Wellwood to goalie and kept him on his original diet regimen of bacon wrapped twinkies and dr. pepper
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Sumo goaltender!
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Jeez, all the political capital CH built up in the last few months, gone.
;)
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
The CC will save me, maybe.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I have an idea for another pint/$1 bet though- Leafs/Bruins, whoever has the better change in their goals for/goals against in the coming season compared to last season.
You up for it?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
Considering the Bruins ended 2nd in GF and 1st in GA, that’s a stupid bet for me to make especially when I know your defense got better.
But I’d easily put a beer on season series record. Monster vs. Tuukka goalie stats might be interesting too.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 21, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
CH-
I’ll take it on goalie stats. Save percentage only, I assume?
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by kidkawartha on Sep 22, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, why not?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
/Slaps hands
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 22, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Marc Savard has gone over the 40 assist mark 5 times, including each of the last first years.
42 in 00-01 with CAL
69 in 05-06 with ATL
74 in 06-07 with BOS
63 in 07-08 with BOS
63 in 08-09 with BOS
His linemates over the last four years have been Hossa, Kovalchuk, Sturm, Murray, Axelsson, Kessel, and Ryder.
Wings fan by birth. Leafs fan by truculent osmosis.
Not to mention another divisional rival’s best shut-down defenceman at the age of 27.
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Brian Burke would steal candy from a baby; and then have the candy punch the baby in the face.
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 21, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just look forward to completing the set by snapping up Jared Cowan and Drew Stafford.
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not a divisional rival, but the thought is nice
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 21, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he does have more points than John Tavares
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by blurr1974 on Sep 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke will force the Kings to trade Brayden to the Senators – and THEN he’ll take him.
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by jrwendelman on Sep 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Who's your Papi?
Oh wait….damn
A Nation of Masochists I can't believe "Stay Truculent!!!1" replaced goodbye.
This has Toronto finishing in the middle ten, not the top ten. :)
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More statistics, used for no other purpose but to annoy people
I followed up Chemmy’s example and picked players 10-20 from another completely randomly selected draft year. Here are my results:
1993 draft:
- Thibault (goalie, no offensive stats worth giving a crap about)
- Brendon Witt 848GP 116Pts
- Kenny Jonsson 686 GP 267 Pts
- Denis Pederson 435 / 128
- Adam Deadmarsh 567 / 373
- Mats Lindgren 387/128
- Nick Stradjuhan 2 / 0
- Jason Allison 552 / 485
- Jesper Mattsson 0 / 0
- Landon Wilson 375 / 119
- Mike Wilson 336 / 57
Average games played per season 20.4. Average points per season 9.8.
Jason Allison, with an average of 32.5 games per season is clearly above average. At an average of 28.5 points per season, no-one is close.
Leafs totally STOLE Allison! Brian Burke, you’re a fucking GENIUS!!!!!1
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Sep 21, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Hmmm …. automatically renumbered my pointless list. Numbers are 10 through 20.
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Sep 21, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If Falconer is still reading
Here’s some pretty straightforward stats.
9th Atlanta 250 goals for
10th Leafs 246 goals for
Atlanta’s top 16 goal scorers had
43
31
26
22
14
13
9
8
7
7
7
6
5
5
Total 226
Leafs top 16 goal score totals
25
23
22
21
20
15
15
14
12
12
11
10
7
6
6
5
Total 224.
Granted, we lost Moore, Antro and Kubina (47 goals) but Kessel should still be able to pot at least 25 in a shortened season – without the best passer in history, Savard -
Even if Grabs, Poni(contract year) have a moderate increase of 2 goals each, and a few of the new young guys pitch in 8 or 9 each(not an over estimation for Bozak and Hanson) we have our goals back.
Interesting to note that after the Thrashers top 6, there aren’t any other players in double digits. The Leafs had 12 guys in double digits.
If the Leafs finish better than 20th in the league in scoring, you need to borrow/buy/steal a Leafs Jersey – take a picture and post it both on your site and our site saying “I was wrong”
If the Leafs finish 20th or lower in goal scoring, I will do the same but with a Thrashers Jersey.
So much for needing high powered offense.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 21, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
Oops
I forgot to add around 7 or so goals for Francois… try to be conservative for a minute
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 21, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I still consider Adam Oates the best passer in history!
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by Tom Kurvers on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Chemmy
I love you. Nicely done.
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