If You Think Toskala is an NHL Goalie You Are a Moron
by Chemmy on Sep 27, 2009 9:32 PM EDT
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With literally any other goalie on any team anywhere in their depth chart this is a win for the Leafs. Disgusting.
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thank fucking god for the monster
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Who is this fucking douchebag saying the Leafs were tired and won’t be proud of their efforts? They scored six fucking goals.
This is entirely on Toskala.
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6 out of the 7 he had a good chance at stopping
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say 5. He was terrible tonight.
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by RepressedOptimism on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
How far along into rehab do we realistically expect him to be? How much of Allaire’s tutelage should he have absorbed?
I hear you, but think it through a little.
Burke always speaks highly of guys before he ships them out. You know that Burke and Wilson have been talking up Toskala. There’s obviously a reason we have 3 goalies.
I think they just want Tosk to do something worth talking about so that some desparate team sees worth in him.
Either that or he had a bad game. He did well the other night with the shootout win.
I’d rather prefer last season’s form where he could actually stop 87% of the shots. 70% is pure garbage. Whats the point of being good at a shootout when you can’t get there. Leafs tried their best to bail him out tonight. he just kept letting weak shit going past him.
by LeafFan1989 on Sep 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i bet we could get a 5th round draft pick for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I have nothing more to say on the subject
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How does Patrick “How the fuck am I still employed” Lalime outduel Toskala??
Ok I wanted to give him a chance, but I am now officially at the Chemmywagon
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
let's put it this way
Vesa is a better goalie than I am, (remember, I’m kinda short, never played hockey ever). I imagine he’d be better than my grandmothers (one of whom is dead)
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God Damn...
He’s freaking terrible…waive him and use the money to call up Bozak without worrying about Bonus Padding.
mmmm Bonus Pudding……aaaaaaahhhhhhh
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Career Potential
* No. 1 goaltender.
and Komi gets injured.
Why did we play 9 pre-season games? Waay too much.
Three games in thre nights? No wonder they looked off tonight
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
I think there was some defensive zone coverage that was a little suspect.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't it 9 games in 11 nights?
someone’s bound to get hurt on that kinda of schedule. And now they’re taking off to do some paintballing and running around the woods.
I have a bad feeling about this
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9 in 11
4 then one day off then 2 then one day off then 3
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
9/11 sure doesn’t sound like a good idea… just a couple of bad things associated with that number…
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by CanadianMaple09 on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what I feel bad about?
At the beginning of training camp Burke et. al said that there would be real competition for spots and they were willing to bury guys in the marlies.
Yet Bozak and MacDonald (andy) definitely out played some others at their position.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Bozak outplayed Stajan and Grabovski.
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I think he was just as good and you know what grabbo didn’t exactly set me on fire in camp.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we watch the same Grabbo?
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grabbo was awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
why don't
you tell us how you really feel, Gemmy?
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
wow
chalk it up to the weird spinnyness in my head.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s like chemmy, in gummy form!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking Monster starts, Vesa backups but gets a few chances in October to prove he’s not entirely worthless. If he can’t pull his ass out of the fire, Joey Mac is up in November.
Can it before I drive this truculence through your faceulence and put you in an ambulance.
by Brunswick Bruiser on Sep 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
He’s not even going to be worth a 2nd round pick if this keeps up.
by Another Good Kingston Boy on Sep 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
He hasn’t been worth a second round pick since JFJ traded a first for him.
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I thought it was going to be a trade rumour.
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Guys, seriously, enough with the pessimism.
Look on the bright side: with goaltending like this, we’re practically guaranteed to get that #1 overall pick we’ve always wanted.
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by Down Goes Brown on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is the same goaltending we had last year, and we didn’t get #1
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME ANGRY!?!?!
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Really?
To Die By The Blade?
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we do so love to hassle the locals
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
plus it saved work for Chemmy
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I know that’s why it happened.
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just making sure.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
hey remember that awesome thing that happened tonight?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Stålberg is on the team, btw
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
at least now I get to see kimbo slice get beat up
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
I thought we bought out Raycroft already? Did the last two years not happen?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
Stempniak interview.
Speak into the microphone, squid brain!
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WOW, I AM SO GLAD JFJ WAS SUCH A GOOD JUDGE OF GOALTENDING TALENT THAT HE TRADED ALL THAT YOUTH AND PICKS FOR TWO GOALTENDERS THAT WILL BE HATED IN TORONTO TILL THE END OF TIMES
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Didn't see a lot of it... am making hilites...
Which Toskala goals were especially soft? I’d like to make a point of pointing them out
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Only two of them were good goals.
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Right...
The 2-on-1 was a pretty tough stop…
Which was the other decent goal?
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Where is the dude who always defends Toskala… the guy that wanted us to keep Kadri up
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick opinion poll
in a league – I kinda need another D-man (schneider starting on the IR)
Guy offers me Weber and Rask for Steve Mason
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
Luongo is my other goalie, btw
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
goalie hoarding is a good strategy
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I also have Theodore as an extra goalie
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d do it.
But I love Weber.
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The guy was offering me Bobby Ryan with Rask first.
I told him I wanted Weber and Rask and he said if I want a D man then he wanted to keep rask
I stonewalled him…. and then he made this offer.. lol
Feel bad if I back out now…
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
ditto
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Keeper league? Rask won’t play this year.
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20-odd games. Thomas is old and might turn into Toskala.
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I have been checking out the boston media, fan sites, blog sites… they all seem to think Rask has an inside track on the backup job… last year before he goes RFA..
Also, I guess it is well known that Thomas plays his best when he gets around 60 games…
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We will probably be making this a keeper league
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I’ll take the deal, thanks all on this day we waive the Vesa…
You had style, you had grace, you fell down on your face…
Adios
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston said they expect 60+ games out of Thomas
Do you really want a back-up?
Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform?
Weber won’t get you as many fantasy points as Mason. I love Weber, one of my favourite d-men in the NHL, but I think he falls short of matching his stats from last season. Rask isn’t going to play more than 20 games, if that.
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He’ll definitely be the backup, we waived Sabourin.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS MESSAGE IS STRAIGHT IN FROM PPP I SHIT YOU NOT
Ban anyone that says Toskala is a good goalie.
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Toskala is a good goalie!
And yea, that contradicts everything I’ve said tonight!
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 27, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Toskala is a good goalie…. if he’s wearing a Sens sweater.
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Or a Habs one.
Then again they have their quota of shitty goalies with Price.
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
we can only hope he is as bad as toskala this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If he went to Montreal, Price would be too drunk to notice anyway.
by Another Good Kingston Boy on Sep 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, like in a rivalry as heated as the Battle of Ontario one team is going to take the other’s crappy goaltender.
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by Down Goes Brown on Sep 27, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Patrick FUCKING Lalime… people…
Straw that broke the back
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d actually be more embarassed if he was outplayed by Raycroft.
Then again, I’d be embarassed for anyone that does.
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GO LEAFS GO.
by Raycroft 2.0 on Sep 27, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Toskala is a good goalie....
when he plays another goalie in NHL 10
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Oh, please. Like any men’s rec league team would pick a stupid name like “Sens.”
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Chemmy on Sep 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
i love it when PPP talks dirty
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I approve those messages.
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by Travis Hair on Sep 27, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn. I want one. but $$$$
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by Travis Hair on Sep 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Bleargh
That was a downer. So much so that I’m going to go pour myself another drink and soak in a lovely bubblebath to try and wipe the memory away. See you fine folks later….
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
JOHN MITCHELL SAID “BUTT” ON TV
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PPP got Gustavsson in his draft?
Well isn’t that good for him!!!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
wow the Schenn was with him
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone with the last name Manning is a jerk.
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by Travis Hair on Sep 27, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
STALBERG 8GP 6G 3A 9Pts
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That’s amazing, even for preseason.
by general borschevsky on Sep 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I checked the score at NHL.com and was surprised to see a 7-6 final with Toskala getting burned for 4 in the 3rd. Came over here prepared to ask, “What the heck happened?” but the headline quelled that Q.
I wonder if any media will have the stones to ask Burke/Wilson about their “no jobs are safe” line? Starters should be Gustavsson and Joey Mac.
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Second that.
There will be a day...when the stars align, the planets in full view, and the moon shining brightly as Brian Burke trades Vesa Toskala for more than a 2-4.
GO LEAFS GO.
by Raycroft 2.0 on Sep 27, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Starters should be Gustavsson and Joey Mac.
Normally I don’t get redemption in a matter of hours. Oh this is sweet.
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are the tears delicious?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
well, then
my eyes hurt from staring at this tiny screen all day. I’m going to wash my eyes and do some other thing.
Dobrou noc !
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This is really sad, but it’s not a disaster.
The Vesa is obviously not ready, but this is PRESEASON and that’s what PRESEASON is for. So far he hasn’t cost the team any points in the standings. If he plays like this in October, Gustavsson will be the starter by November. If he plays this way as a back up, MacDonanld will be on the team by Christmas.
I still believe he can bounce back, but there’s pressure on him now like never before. In a way I think that’s good. I think he’ll respond to the pressure and won’t fold. Otherwise, Gustavsson takes over, and that’s just fine as well.
by general borschevsky on Sep 27, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me
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I think you mean
BANNED
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t ban anyone for their opinion on the Leafs.
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But jesus fucking christ
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PPP told you to.
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We all know who runs this town.
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WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly it’s not us, ’cause our votes get OVERRULED
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I think I’m serious. I think it’s too early to get too down on the Vesa. I also can’t believe that I’m thinking that in the PRESEASON.
Vesa has not played since March 3rd. Now he just plays 6 periods of hockey spread out over 3 consecutive days. He had a terrible game. It’s not the end of the road though. Hopefully, it’s just the beginning.
by general borschevsky on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s had lots of terrible games ever since leaving San Jose.
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True. I know. But they were supposed to be fixing that problem. He’s a cyborg now, so the only issue should be his attitude not his athleticism.
Y’know what was the saving grace for me? When he slammed his stick against the boards. He looked mega-pissed. He’s got heart.
by general borschevsky on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck heart. Fuck caring. I want results and don’t care how we get them.
You know what Toskala and Raycroft have in common? They both suck.
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by Chemmy on Sep 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, think about it. Either toskala gets better and that’s a good thing. Or he doesn’t and we get The monster and MacDonald. and that’s a good thing.
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And when Toskala loses us three or four games we could have won in the first couple weeks of the season and we miss the playoffs by two points?
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don't worry
Berger will have that covered.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Then we’ll all be screwed because it’ll really be October that mattered all along.
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You think Toskala magically figures it out in the next three days? If not he’s going to cost us points.
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I hope Vesa plays great for about 5 games and we trade him for a first…
Islanders need a 4th goalie?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
I’m working on a post scouting real estate for him in cities where they need a backup.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Lightning might need one, and the Stars might…then…um…Chicago?
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sharks?
no cap room… but insurance in case Nabokov sucks again in the playoffs?
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Vesa didn’t get save of the game. I’m calling LeafsTV right now.
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Have to make a save first
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, streaming this illegally I got to watch all the post game stuff, unlike Center Ice who cuts me off the second time runs out.
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details!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I would fucking hope so.
You score 6 goals and don’t win, you’d better be pissed off.
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Wilson agrees w me - defensive zone coverage was awful
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
Someone should fill him in on the proper nickname.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont care, its some good news out of this disaster
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
says stempi is the most improved player
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
well I notice him in a game now, that’s a huge step
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
WOOO
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
wooo
he deserves it
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure
but he sat out for precautionary reasons
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Got hit, pulled from game as a precaution.
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Held out for precautionary reasons
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by Archimedies on Sep 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I;m trying to find the presser on mapleleafs.com – anyone got a link?
by The Meatriarchy on Sep 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
our rosters aren’t frozen?
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
I assumed they were until the season started.
Interesting.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Poolies across the country are going to break the Intertubes tonight.
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by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to go start drinking until I pass out
Bye
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 27, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
I want to join you.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
im well on my way!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
toskalas play has made them an offensive juggernaut
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i noticed, but i havnt had enough digs at vesa yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
WILSON
He fucking interrupted the presser to tell the mittenstringers to not even bother asking: Toskala gets the start on Thursday.
Coming up soon: a post that shows how fucking mediocre Toskala has been at times and how terrible he has been at other times.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
OVER UNDER ON GOALS AGAINST THURSDAY: 5.5
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but
it’s against the habs…
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s going to make the 8-spot that dummy Toskala is going to allow even worse.
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At least we’ll have each other at the pub………….
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by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d hate to meet people and then have them see me destroy the bar…
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some of us have already seen that
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but I don’t mean drink a shit load I mean like break the tables, stab a Habs fan, tear down the tvs…
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well I need someone to help me
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt I’ll be the one to help but knowing that Toskalol is playing will probably change things.
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can I bring the matches?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i prefer a bic, easier to start fast when loaded and it can double as a fist pack
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
remember, we need lots of bics…and alibis
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll hold the Habs fan and cover with the Po-po.
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by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
it seems like decades since the leafs have had decent goaltending
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
just
pre-lockout.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah….
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll say one thing and one thing only: at least Toskalol looked pissed off about his performance tonight instead of being Mr. Fancy Pants.
I’d rather an aloof player that does his job than someone that gets angry because they suck.
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yeah, but its better than raycrofts ``I dont think it was that bad`` bullshit after he got lit up
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it’s better than the worst regular goalie the Leafs have had in my memory.
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they are both terrible
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I WANT Toskalol to be better than an .891 goalie and I want to believe that he’ll recover from a couple of big surgeries but nothing he has done in the pre-season gives me much confidence.
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Seriously. I’m in eyebleaf-blind-faith-mode right now. It’s on the edge of delirious.
by general borschevsky on Sep 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Ok
We all have our favourites :)
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stupid pogge…
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Goalies
I’ve always disliked them.
All of them.
For every team.
Pretty much ever.
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by Archimedies on Sep 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
goalies ive really liked
Felix Potvin
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
CuJo the first time.
Crazy Eddie before the lockout.
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I liked Belfour because he proved a raging alcoholic can make it to the NHL.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was so upset when CuJo left, but I think I actually Preferred Crazy Eddie and his hotdog eating ways.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i liked em, but the only goalie to ever reach the upper echelon of favourite was the cat
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Same
It began and ended with Felix.
And Jamie Storr.
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by Archimedies on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I hear you. I really thought he could step it up. Thank God he only played 7 games.
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GAME IN 6 for those with the stomach.
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eyebleaf will be crushed
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if they’re giving Toskala the start on Thursday, you never know how bad the judgement is going to be on other stuff.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
EXCELLENT POINT
I assume Burke is looking for virgins to sacrifice to get Toskalol to improve.
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I was wondering why this hadn’t happened yet.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Allison has yet to process this information
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Come back 3 seasons from now and maybe by then he’ll have got it into his head that he doesn’t belong in the NHL anymore. Or maybe not.
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A Message From Viktor Stålberg
Hi guys!
Wow. I’m speechless. Can you believe pre-season is over already? I really couldn’t ask for more. I just want to thank you all for your undying support over the last 8 games and let you know that I’m going to do my best to justify Mr Wilson’s selection of me on the opening night roster.
Thanks again for your support and attendance in the GDT’s, I’ll see you all on Thursday.
Sincerely,
Viktor
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by Archimedies on Sep 27, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Viktor, we have a little favor to ask of you………………..
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by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Recced that shit. Viktor, you wont let us down
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We love you Viktor!!!!
All the best dude! Good luck in the upcoming season.
I hope you have many more encouraging words for us in the months ahead!
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by Peter de Chatham on Sep 27, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick update:
I took that trade for Weber and Rask.
(Today the Bruins waived Dany Sabourin for assignment to Providence – Rask/Thomas are the only goalies on the Bruin’s roster)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
I remember CH saying it was a lock a while ago.
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by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Also read that he should get at least 20 starts this year…
At least Rask will benefit one Leaf fan this year.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
My hope is that JACK ADAMS TROPHY WINNER Coach Claude will push Thomas with Rask and vice versa rather than letting either rot on the bench.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Sep 28, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
what did the leafs trade for bell and toskala again?
i dont know why im asking, i dont want to know
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
A FIRST, A SECOND, AND A FOURTH
And that first was almost the Schenn pick.
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/vomits with rage
fuck you jfj
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lars Eller turns into a star im gonna stab someone
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
we’ll cover for you
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
or the leafs could have drafted a dude named Shattenkirk
how awesome is that name?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
they both sound like 30s insults so thats awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still like the kid my team drafted. Bloodoff. Great name.
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by Travis Hair on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What really annoys me about Toskala is the way he flails about on his back while the forward calmly lifts the puck over him. Like Franzen did in Detroit.
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he has to stop watching Hasek goaltending tapes
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting closer Vesa...
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by Travis Hair on Sep 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Is there anything higher than a 'rec'?
Cause I awnt to award one of those
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by Archimedies on Sep 27, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is stimulating, but we’re out of here.
Later guys.
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See ya, article
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by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
bye!
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the over/under on how long until people are making similar posts about Jonas Gustavsson?
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by Brad Ackerson on Sep 27, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
never, because he’s amazing
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he was very good for those three periods. I’ll give you that.
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by Brad Ackerson on Sep 27, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
AMAZING BEST GOALIE EVARRRRRR
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 27, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If the day ever comes that I do turn on Gustavsson, he has at least already left me unable to ever say I’ve never seen him look like he actually knew what he was doing in net. Not true for Toskala.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I don’t know, maybe 119 appearances and over 7000 minutes as the Leafs’ number one.
I wish people would stop pretending that this is ALL OF A SUDDEN.
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yeah, let’s try and remember when he was good…the day before he became a Leaf
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
that picture is awesome.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor poor vesa....
While coming off of a hip surgery and then having a new goaltending coach tell you, that you need to change your style can’t be easy. Not to mention a leafs nation that expects superb tenders do to being spoiled with the likes of cujo and Eddie it’s pretty easy to see how one could crumple worse than a suit purchased at giant tiger. This is However no excuse for Toskola. Burke needs to send him down to the marlies to develop his new style, he may not make it to the marlies but if that’s the case it wasn’t ment to be.
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by blueandwhite89 on Sep 27, 2009 10:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
At this point, I would throw a fucking party if anyone claimed him from the wire.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome
Thanks for joining.
Toskala’s in a tough position and Wilson’s trying to protect him by shielding him from any criticism by cutting off the media at the knees. Don’t think it’ll work though.
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Wilson
is being extremely loyal, and I believe that Toskala will be given at least the first month to work through everything.
I’m not sure it’s so wise to do though.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t doubt he’ll be given plenty of chances, but if he plays this well, he’s not going to give Wilson much choice but to start yanking him from games. If that’s happening often, the opportunities are going to run out very quickly.
In all seriousness, I can understand the argument that he’s coming from a long layoff and a hefty surgery. But that’s at best an argument for keeping him on the roster. If anything, it’s an argument against giving him the early starts, because he clearly hasn’t recovered enough to play up to any kind of standards.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
personally
I think it means he should go to the AHL on a conditioning stint, give him some time to rediscover his game…
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d tolerate that. Seriously though, if we’re going to fall back on this “he’s still recovering” thing as the reason he looks like shit out there, what are the chances that wears off by Thursday? I see no logic in starting him, from any perspective.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
just
Wilson’s belief in him? I have no idea.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Idea
It’s in the CBA. All they have to do is say he tweaked his groin and they can send him down for two weeks on a conditioning stint with no fear of re-call waivers.
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perhaps
this is the reason for Tuesday’s start??
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea
All I know is that if I am a Maple Leaf then I wonder how many goals we have to score every game to make up for the softies.
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yes
and there’s no way you wanna play developing kids in front of tending like that
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the CBA have a window for when players can be transferred to a Euro team? It’s one helluva long-shot at best, but it would be good to know the constraints Burke is facing here.
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I don’t think there’s a window for that…
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Would it be legally construed as a threat if I mailed Vesa Toskala a pamphlet explaining the tradition of Seppuku?
No
That’s just being helpful.
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See Odin’s picture of the Monster above. I wouldn’t bother.
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by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
How much tolerance will Burke have for Toskala’s sub-par play? That first round pick to Boston increases in value and the Leafs playoff odds decrease with each sub-par Toskala start.
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Geez, this could turn into a nightmare…
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I think
he trusts Ron Wilson, and will rely heavily on him for what to do.
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Rock. Meet Hard Place.
I totally get where Wilson’s coming from in terms of trying to get the Vesa’s confidence back up. However, let me present the first four games on the Leafs schedule…
Montreal
at Washington
at Ottawa
at Pittsburgh
Two divisional rivals who’ve built their offence around guys who run hot and cold, and the two most dynamic teams in the league featuring the three best players in a generation.
How the fuck is Toskala supposed to get any confidence back before Thanksgiving, with that schedule?
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by Archimedies on Sep 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If Toskala stinks on Thursday, will anyone be able to handle the Friday reports of Gainey’s genius for going with small and skilled?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Would it be “Leaf fans wouldn’t tolerate small” or “Leaf fans won’t demand skilled?”
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
my vote… tolerate small
(never mind Jason Blake and the other small forwards we have)
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by Karina on Sep 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we’ve had small the past couple of years and the crowd is always asleep. We add some size and truculence and the place is rocking.
more sheep drinking the koolaid of no expectations
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be a one-two punch, build up the Habs, knock down the Leafs…
No two franchises in the NHL have undergone heavier makeovers this off-season than the Leafs and Habs. One team looked to the future and decided small and skilled was the way to go, the other looked to the past and decided smashmouth hockey and old fashion goonery was in order. Last night, small and skilled scored a decisive victory in handing the Leafs a 8-4 loss (despite being held to just 10 shots on net).
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
we discover we are all in bizarro world and he wins 3 and gets a shutout
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case, maybe he’s bullshitting to make an excuse for keeping Gustavsson out until he can have a gentler introduction to the NHL.
by puckurgently on Sep 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So we shatter the notion that our defence has improved, plus we get MOntreal and Ottawa thinking that they can make a go of it this year?
No. Fuck that.
I really don’t give a shit who’s between the pipes. stop a motherfucking puck, and put our team off on the good foot.
If that means gustavsson goes thursday, so be it.
Burke’s put a lot of his chips into the pot before we’ve even seen the first hand. We can’t afford to be playing games here now.
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My, we are an angry bunch tonight. I guess Vesa played well.
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he played like those goalies that skate around ACC in the second intermission and still came in last
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical
Lost moving laterally, playing too deep in his net, and going down too early.
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I sat all afternoon and watched Steve vs. Chemmy on Toskala; Chemmy going totally on his instincts, and Steve countering with facts.
I don’t care what steve’s numbers say; Toskala will never be a starter here because nobody has confidence in him. Every time the Lollipop Guild gets a chance on Thursday, every Leaf fan will be waiting for the other shoe to drop with vesa in net.
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Yeah
I got stats to throw back at Steve tomorrow.
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17/24 for .708?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No, longer term stats looking at the entirety of his stint as the Leafs’ starter.
It honestly is disingenuous bordering on just plain dishonest to suggest that Leaf fans are ‘suddenly’ turning on Toskala.
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He’s also injury prone, aging and looking more lost than a blind puppy in a shitstorm. I think he believes we are folding on toskala more because of our desire to see the Monster, rather than the full picture. The team doesn’t believe in him being able to keep them in a game
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna need to hold off going to the ACC for a little bit.
As a prospective CA, I feel the govening bodies will frown upon me hopping the glass and killing the Vesa after another back-breaking goal.
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Yeah
They tend to take away designations for that sort of thing.
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Alright I’m out! When are the opening night pub event details getting posted?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
PPP said monday, btd.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome! alright! party hard!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Sep 27, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
From DGB
Over/under for Gustavsson officially being named starter is October 20
You could make it eight seconds from now, and I’d still bet the under.
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As bad as Toskala is, he definitely gets one month of starts.
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It's one game..
..but the problem is that you can’t say you haven’t felt like this before with Tosk. He had surgeries, he’s got Allaire now, it’s not necessarily Tosk of last year. Burke absolutely has to get him playing, and well, as fast as he can, keep or shop. Such a knee-jerk reaction is so “us.”
It’s hardly knee jerk. He has a .898 sv% in 119 appearances as a Leafs goalie. Is it knee jerk to want the Leafs to try something else?
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And I thought I was being generous with one month. The reason I even said that was not because of Toskala’s play, but has to do with taking things slow with Gustavsson. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if MacDonald was the backup and Gustavsson goes to the Marlies for a month or two.
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Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if MacDonald was the backup and Gustavsson goes to the Marlies for a month or two
Yeah, that’s what I think will happen.
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Look, as much as Toskala sucked tonight....
First off
a) give him a bit of time to get adjusted to the game. Someone did make a good point that he hasn’t been playing since March. If so, yeah, a month of starts seems like a good idea.
b) What did we hire Allaire for? Let’s hope he can get some improvement out of Toskala
c) Gustavsson played three damn periods. I know the picture would look different if he hadn’t had that heart trouble, but we still really don’t know how good he is.
d) I’m not an expert on the whole situation, but can we just waive Toskala and get him off our salary cap permanently? If we waive him does he just become an UFA and he’s off our books?
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 27, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Leafs waive him one of two things happen: he gets claimed by another team (doubtful, given his $4M/year salary) OR he goes unclaimed and reports to the Marlies.
In both instances, his cap hit doesn’t count against the Leafs.
In the event that a goalie gets hurt and Toskala gets recalled one of two things happen: he gets claimed – and the Leafs must pay 50% of his salary (which also goes against the Leafs’ cap) for the length of his contract OR he goes unclaimed and plays for the Leafs (with his salary going against the Leafs cap).
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Hmm, I wonder, at his salary and performance, is Toskala much of a risk of bring claimed by another team when he comes back up?
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Depends on when he gets called up and how bad the injury bug is around the league though. Pay half of the salary and stick the leafs with the other half? That could be interesting to the right team.
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by Travis Hair on Sep 27, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is it depends on how he plays in the AHL and how much money is left on the books.
JFJ really pooched this club. I just hope this is the nadir of the JFJ’s anti-midas touch.
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Anyone else find it just a tiny bit ironic that our current favourite and hated things about the Leafs are both the result of JFJ?
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cue eyebeleaf in………………
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
It’s killer irony.
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JFJ really seemed to do well at the draft table and the waiver wire. Unfortunately, he gave away too many draft picks and never did solve his goaltending issues.
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We can’t afford to give him a month, Peter. If he screws the pooch, we lose a full month of season. I just can’t see Burkie willing to give anyone that much capacity to wreck our season. I can barely see him not shipping him now.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
a) This isn’t a case of him being mediocre for a single pre-season. He was mediocre in his first year and terrible in his second
b) we hire Allaire to make the goalies good going forward. He didn’t waste his time with Pogge because he wasn’t part of the future so I don’t see him working too long on Toskala when Wilson has already said that he’s struggling to pick up what he’s being taught.
c) sure, only three periods. But we have one year of figuring things out? So if Toskala is struggling so much why not give him a conditioning stint and more time with Allaire.
d) No, if we send him down he goes off the cap. If the Leafs try to bring him back up and he’s claimed he’ll count for half of what’s left towards the cap for the rest of the season.
I know there are definite issues with throwing Gustavsson in especially in light of the short pre-season and I get that Toskala is Wilson’d boy but I hope to God that the leash is short.
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If it comes to that, Joey Mac could most certainly handle half the games the season, and I’d a ton more confidence in him than Vesa. I think the team would as well.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you’re right. Hmmmm….
Is there any advantage to waiving Toskala now and freeing up that 4 mil of space? Is there any player that’s out there that we could pick up from another team?
You’re right PPP, that is a shitty reality, made so by the Kessel trade which basically commits us to being good this year as there is zero reward for sucking.
i say start Toskala over the next month. We don’t have any other choice.
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Joey Mac
Dude managed to put up far better stats on a far shittier Islanders team.
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My feelings exactly
I know there are definite issues with throwing Gustavsson in especially in light of the short pre-season and I get that Toskala is Wilson’d boy but I hope to God that the leash is short.
The shitty reality is that there isn’t really an option other than starting Joey MacDonald…
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DIdn’t we bring him in for pretty much exactly this purpose? in case Toskala continued to look like he belongs in the ECHL?
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Yeah
I just don’t know if they’ll do it.
I’d rather they did.
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In other news, the Bengals knocked off the Steelers, and the DETROIT LIONS WON.
Coincidence?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
I think Karina has the best idea of all – send Toskala to the AHL on a “re-conditioning stint” and see if he sinks or swims down there.
Run a tandem of Joey Mac and the Monster at the NHL level.
With Boston holding the Leafs first pick, there’s such little room for this team to fail.
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My thought on the whole thing is that Toskala just shouldn’t be THIS bad. I think what was left of his confidence since the Monster and Allaire and even Wallin signed has either sucked out what was left of his desire to compete and win for the Leafs, or he truly cannont, under any circumstances, accept being a backup, even when it’s of his doing. He know the writing is on the wall and it’s over. He just chose not to wait until he was actually released or traded to stop caring.
I think he’s fully broken as far as this team is concerned and there’s no fixing it.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
First 4 Games of the Season
Montreal
at washington
at Ottawa
at Pittsburgh
Putting him in any of these games makes sense… how exactly?
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clr-
I don’t want him to start at all, if my above comment isn’t clear. I’m just thinking of what could possibly be going through his mind right now.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he wants to fight for his job at the very least. Did you not notice how pissed off he was when he was pulled and at those last two goals?
Well, it’s a funny way to manage the aspects of something that are entirely in your own control. I also think he believes the team has given up on him, and when that happens, if you don’t have an immense amount of pride and fighting spirit, it’s over.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year of his contract means he’s off our books one way or another next season.
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Yeah
Half of his salary on the books this year is still a savings of the other half. It’s only an issue when it’s for more than a year.
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I actually don’t think it’s a terrible idea. I have my doubts Toskala’s even going to be claimed by another team and it’s not like he’s much of a tradeable asset right now. He lights it up in the Marlies, $2 million isn’t that bad of a deal, since the Leafs can still make a deal with another team if they know there is a market for him.
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just to play devil’s advocate
Right now, Toskala’s worth about as much as Raycroft, who’s playing for Vancouver at 500,000, the minimum salary. Noone wants Raycroft for 500K, ergo, noone will want to pick up Toskala for 2 mil, even if the leafs pay the other 2.
I don’t think there’s much of a danger of toskala getting pickup up on re-entry.
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Pogge
could have given up nine tonight if he’d tried
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Sep 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Hehehe
I still think it was a mistake to pick up Gerber after the deadline. We should have thrown Pogge to the wolves at the ACC. Trial by baptism, motherf***er. At the very least we would have dropped lower in the standings, and picked up Brayden Schenn.
Or Pogge could have shined and been a tradeable asset.
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
The past is a useless thing to pick over. The more I watch Kadri, the more I think we might have, might have gotten the better pick. Plus it fucked Ottawa which is always worth it.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
true … fucking up L.A. just doesn’t bring the same level of satisfaction
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Sep 27, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“Kadri’s the kid we’re gonna take. is that the kid you want?”
“Yeah”
“Yeah, well we’re gonna take him.”
Lulz….
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you still on Brayden Schenn? Yikes.
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Those scouting rankings aren’t completely made up…. Brayden Schenn is probably going to be a better player than Kadri, as much as we love him.
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren’t made up but they are rankings of teenagers.
It wouldn’t be the first time a player drafted later is better than one drafted earlier.
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“Probably” and “Is” are two entirely different things. Kadri on the Leafs for the next 5 years might be better, period, too.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the other aspect of this whole thing. I can just picture Burke steaming and fuming in his office right now, having to suffer someone else’s goalie make turn his team into what happened tonight.
I just can’t see him having anything but Toskala on someone else’s team as his plan here.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he should be….
This is a salary cap league now. If we had tanked right after the lockout, we could have had Staal, or Toews, right now. Instead we got Tlustly, who’s going for another season with the Marlies.
The Penguins won the Cup because they tanked. The Blackhawks may win the cup this year, also because they tanked. The Islanders and Lightning and Kings have someone to build around, because they tanked. We needed to goddamn well tank! We could have had Tavares.. Tavares!!!!!!
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 28, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
There is only one thing that would make me seriously consider quitting the Leafs as a fan, and it’s evidence that my GM is tanking. Fuck that now, and fuck that anytime until I die.
A team that tanks should have the Cup confiscated from them.
THE LEAFS DO NOT TANK.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We should have. We should not have made the Kessel trade, and we should have tanked this year.
Without the Kessel trade, Toskala’s suckassedness would be an asset, not a liability.
Look, we love being the playoffs, and I miss it dearly. But do we want the cup, or do we want to make it to the conference semis and get eliminated. because that’s the best I see for us in 10-11….
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 28, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Prove that tanking leads to Stanley Cups.
Remind me when was the last time the Devils and Red Wings tanked.
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Tank teams are cycle teams. None of those teams will ever be a dynasty because of it.
Now tell, us, Peter, which do you want? A single Cup every 15 years if you’re lucky or a dynasty? What is Toronto’s rightful place in the NHL?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a difference. The Red Wings picked up most of their team before the lockout; they were the first to capitalize on Sweden scouting, that well’s gone dry now. The Devils won before the lockout, they don’t count. Also, I’ve been following “Down Goes Brown’s” advice; I just read his blog on the Kessel trade:
“Optimism: You believe in Phil Kessel.
Pessimism: I believe in Phil Kessel.
Optimism: The future 40-goal man.
Pessimism: The future 40-goal man… with a huge contract, a bad shoulder, zero toughness, no defence, and a terrible attitude.
Optimism: …
Pessimism: But he does have one good year to his name.
Optimism: Pass the bottle.
Pessimism: Bottoms up, my friend.”
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, our entire future doesn’t rest on Kessel, just as it doesn’t rest on the Monster. It rests on the building of a team that will take the Cup no matter what is in their way. And since we don’t do NTCs anymore, we aren’t hand-cuffed.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, do you think that all 4 of Tampa, Chicago, LA and Islanders will win a Cup in the next 5 years? They’ll be lucky if it’s one of them.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course I’m a leaf fan… just a very pessimistic one.
" Also, do you think that all 4 of Tampa, Chicago, LA and Islanders will win a Cup in the next 5 years? They’ll be lucky if it’s one of them"
I’d rather take one in four odds rather than one in thirty.
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 28, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d take the odds of the Leafs winning it with Burke and his philosophy than any of those 4 anyday. That’s going to be about 1 in 6 or so. At best, those 4 have a 1 in 10 chance and that’s for a short window.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The Red Wings picked up most of their team before the lockout; they were the first to capitalize on Sweden scouting, that well’s gone dry now. The Devils won before the lockout, they don’t count.
Are they not perennial contenders? Are they not a threat to make plenty of noise in the playoffs every single season? Has Chicago ever beaten the Red Wings in the playoffs, since the lockout? Have the Devils ever placed in the bottom-5 in the last decade or missed the playoffs?
You have some curious logic.
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Where’s the difference with the Lightning, Hawks, Islanders, Kings, and Capitals?
- of Cups won while tanking = 0
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Also, what is Stalberg, chopped liver?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And how many Stanley Cups have Chicago, NYI, and LA Kings won so far?
I disagree wholeheartedly. To be honest, I find the idea of the success in tanking to be greatly exaggerated. Going to a cliché here, but correlation does not equal causation. Just because Pittsburgh won the Stanley Cup does not mean tanking is the only surefire method to build a contender. Building a contender requires a whole litany of factors, few of which includes proper player development and prudent free agent signings. Tanking causes a lot of salary cap implications down the line and last I checked, the salary cap isn’t going to increase markedly in the next few years.
What I will allow is that obtaining multiple first rounds is as important of a strategy than trying to bottom out for the chance of a top pick. Draft picks aren’t guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination, so probability dictates the more chances a team has to pick players, better the result of finding a good/great/elite player.
As I’ve said before, Brian Burke is one of the highest paid executives in all of professional sports. If he can’t build a team without the aid of top-5 picks in the five years of his tenure, why in the world are the Leafs paying him that much? If the decision was to tank every season until the Leafs draft every so-called elite player, it’s quite superfluous to hire an expensive executive to wait on a horrendous team for several years so he can accumulate high draft picks.
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The Hawks, Islander, Lightning, and Kings have won jack shit with tanking.
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That’s not to say they won’t. The Hawks and Ligthning will be serious playoff contenders this year. We may barely make them. And if we do, we’ll in all likelyhood get eliminated in the first round.
Here’s another bit of reality. Gustavsson’s on a one-year. Even if he does turn out to be a goaltending god, he can still demand a giant paycheque for a contract renewal and bugger off when he doesn’t get it.
Stalberg’s had a good pre-season. Let’s see how he does in the real world.
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 28, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a reality cheque: If Gustavsson is great and demands a huge pay-cheque we can give it to him because:
a – we’ll have the cap space
b – He’ll be an RFA
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Ligthning will be serious playoff contenders this year
Ummm, they’ll be in the same boat as us if they are lucky.
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Ligthning will be serious playoff contenders this year
And I’ll believe it when I see it. You are aware their starting goalie is still on and off with post-concussion syndrome?
As for the ’Hawks, guess who are RFAs after this year? Kane, Toews, and Keith.
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All of whom may be interested in going to a team like Toronto as we’ve seen with Bozak, Hanson, Kessel and Gustavsson, who will just happen to have a whack of cap-space.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be very, very surprised if all three don’t return to the Blackhawks. But their depth will take a severe blow because they messed it up by signing Brian Campbell to a boat anchor of a contract.
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That’s why I said “may”, which I’m sure you caught, BK. I’m just pointing out that tank teams aren’t exactly great at drawing/keeping true hockey stars, unless they pay through the nose for them.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Chicago is an exception I think when it comes to attracting free agents. It’s a big hockey market with tradition, but in any case, they were extremely lucky like any “tank” team to get players like Toews and Kane. And players such as those are going to command big time money anyway, so this claim that Chicago will become big-time playoff contenders isn’t even guaranteed.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
True enough. But those lovely filled seats at their stadium will empty just as fast if they fail to win a Cup with this cycle, I think.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Or their team gets gutted because more than a quarter of their team salary will be tied to five players in Hossa, Kane, Toews, Keith, and Campbell.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Nasty. But that’s the price you pay for tanking.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And who is their starting goalie?
CRISTOBAL HUET! They also have Hossa for the next 12 years!
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Truculence FTW
Look, I’m a bit drunk right now, so forgive me for being a pessimist. But right now, our goaltending future is down to an upproven Swede, the Islander’s castaway, and Toskala. We have zero goaltending prospects. Zero! Dammit!
Toskala’s game tonight has me plenty upset. My vision in my head of Toskala was him having a solid year under Allaire’s coaching, getting traded for a pair of 2nd rounders at the deadline, and it’d all be good. But now we get nothing for him….
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 28, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we have:
1) the best goalie in the world who hasn’t played an NHL game yet.
2) a very good backup who did some great work for a horrible team last year.
3) lot’s of flexibility to acquire a Toskala replacement.
4) a team that great goalies will want to play for.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
“Islanders’ castaway” isn’t as bad as it sounds. Remember, they replaced him with two NHL starters to back up the one they already had. A goalie who doesn’t get invited to a party already attended by Biron, Roloson, and the remaining pieces of DiPietro can still be quite good. MacDonald’s numbers were pretty respectable considering the terrible team in front of him. Certainly better than Toskala’s were behind a better team. If you have to depend on one or the other, I’d take MacDonald easily, and that’s only if Gustavsson doesn’t pan out.
And getting nothing for Toskala would still be addition by subtraction.
by puckurgently on Sep 28, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, it’s blatantly obvious that Joey Mac is delighted and motivated to play for the Leafs, much more than he ever was or would be for the Islanders.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
But right now, our goaltending future is down to an upproven Swede, the Islander’s castaway, and Toskala. We have zero goaltending prospects. Zero! Dammit!
So? Drafting Goaltending’s a bit of voodoo to begin with.
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Ligthning will beserious playoff contenderslucky to not completely implode and go bankrupt this year.
Yet another side-effect of a tanking team.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude
Get over it. This is the team we got.
I share the same opinion of the other guys, fuck tank nation.
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Truculence FTW
Tavares will, in all likelihood, be an Islander until 1 min. after his RFA kicks in, unless they are prepared to pay him a crippling amount of money. Tank teams do not draw player loyalty, let alone fan loyalty.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
by kidkawartha on Sep 28, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Kadri is going to be a special player from what he’s shown so far. He’s got good vision, very strong with the puck, and his individual talent is phenomenal. Bulk up, get some more exp, and develop a well rounded game, and paired with how he plays with an edge, he is going to be a beauty. We haven’t picked in the top 3 for our rebuild, and still have great prospects coming up.
just another bit of pessimism…
look at the top fifty NHL prospects on hockeysfuture.com
How many of them are with the Leafs?
by Peter de Chatham on Sep 28, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The Penguins won the Cup because they tanked. The Blackhawks may win the cup this year, also because they tanked. The Islanders and Lightning and Kings have someone to build around, because they tanked. We needed to goddamn well tank! We could have had Tavares.. Tavares!!!!!!
Hockeysfuture also doesn’t have a dedicated staff of team prospects writers. For quite awhile before the Leafs never had a head writer, and instead, they got a series of articles from writers from other teams. HF has been wrong plenty of times.
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First off, Hockey’s Future is far from a venerated oracle.
Second, this prospect ranking was based on a season where Kadri missed a significant portion of the year with a broken jaw.
Third, I don’t know if you’re aware of this but just because he’s ranked 42 doesn’t mean he’ll always be there. Players develop, injuries happen, motivation is gained or lost, there are tonnes of things that can happen.
It’s a fine sign post but the fact that neither Stalberg or Bozak is included is just highlights that the rankings were done a long time ago.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Sep 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
I believe in Vesa Toskala.
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by blurr1974 on Sep 28, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
I’m pretty sure he’s not real. I feel like pucks would sometimes be stopped from entering the net if there were actually someone standing in it.
by puckurgently on Sep 28, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Even though all seven goals got past Leafs No. 1 goalie Vesa Toskala, he can hardly be blamed for the lack of defence that was played in front of him. Wilson indicated that he felt a little sorry for the Finn and announced that Toskala would be starting the season opener — “so there’s no controversy.”
“I think both teams were disinterested most of the night,” said Wilson. “It’s your last exhibition game. Lord knows, we’ve played enough of them.”
In an alternate universe where the Monster played the whole game:
Even though not a single goal got past Leafs No. 2 goalie Jonas Gustavsson, he can not take credit for the spirited, motivated defence that was played in front of him. Wilson indicated that he felt a very sorry for the Swede and announced that Toskala would be starting the season opener with a very short leash — "so there’s no controversy."
"I think one of the two teams was disinterested most of the night," said Wilson. "It’s Buffalo’s last exhibition game. Lord knows, we’ve played enough of them, and it hasn’t stopped us from posting a 7 and 2 record and the highest goals for."
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
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