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Maple Leafs 1 v. Capitals 6: What Did You Expect?

The contented Maple Leafs travelled to Washington to face the Washington Capitals, a Stanley Cup contender, and the result was about what was expected. Alexander Ovechkin scored early after Tomas Kaberle left him alone to try to chase Ian White's man. We found out tonight that Tomas Kaberle has the second most points among defencemen since the lockout behind only Nik Lidstrom. That's great and Kaberle doesn't have to be the best defender ever to go with being one of the best offensive d-men but that play was so far from acceptable.

Karina's picture form the post-game thread perfectly sums up the Leafs' defending tonight: just an absolute mess. The second goal was more of the same as Ian White decided to venture over to Kaberle's side of the ice which left Eric Fehr all alone to deflect Alex Ovechkin's weak shot. Pierre McGuire tried to lay the blame on the Capitals' third goal on Francois Beauchemin but I don't see what he did poorly. He took a shot, tried to get the rebound that came right to him - which unfortunately bounced over his stick - and then he backchecked and picked up his man. Phil Kessel almost covered perfectly until he tried to intercept the pass to Mike Knuble rather than tie up his man. Once he missed that pass it left Mike Knuble alone to tap it into the open net but Knuble was Kessel's.

The Rest:

  • The fourth goal was an illustration of what happens when the puck isn't put in deep on the penalty kill and the opposition has a lot of skill. Beauty goal.
  • Good work by Nikolai Kulemin on the screen on Tomas Kaberle's power play goal.
  • On the fifth Carl Gunnarsson peels off of Alexander Ovechkin but Ponikarovsky doesn't get to him quickly enough. At the same time Gunnarsson doesn't get back in time to cover Tomas Fleischmann who promptly gets an easy deflection.
  • Matt Stajan and Niklas Hagman dog it on the backcheck and that allows Tom Poti to waltz in and fire it past Vesa Toskala.

Corsi and Fenwick | Head-to-HeadEvent Summary | Game Summary | Japers' Rink Recap

 

Star-divide

The Corsi/Fenwick and H2H numbers are at even strength. Based on those two here are a few other assorted thoughts:

  • Ian White got absolutely shredded in (on?) Corsi. He had an absolute nightmare of a game.
  • Alexei Ponikarovsky and Niklas Hagman were the only players to be on the positive end of Corsi.
  • One night after being perfect the Leafs gave up essentially three power play goals (2 officially, 1 basically)
  • Gunnarsson and Beauchemin were on the ice the most against Alex Ovechkin. They also played the most time with each other. Somehow Beauch ended up -2 and Gunnarsson was even.
  • Kessel played almost 12 minutes at even strength. Despite having the last change it looks like Boudreau was happy to roll through his lines.

There were three flashpoints in the game:

  1. Here's what Becca had to say about the first goal - a somewhat devious yet brilliant move by Tom Poti to use Jason Blake as a net removal device - I missed the goal but was the call the right one?
  2. Alexei Ponikarovsky's high-sticking penalty whcih cancelled out Matt Stajan's goal came when his stick got caught in Mike Green's jersey and under his shoulder pad. Green certainly made a meal of it though with a Ribeiro-like head throwback. That was enough to make Chris Rooney think that it was actually high-sticking since the stick never went above Green's shoulders and probably shouldn't have been a penalty based on the way that rule is written. Rooney was behind Green which blocked his view.
  3. The Orr Hit - I've watched it about 10 times in slow motion in all of the different angles. I'll re-iterate Karina's comment that he didn't intentionally hit Mike Green in the face with his cross-check. He hits him in the chest and if it did - because it wasn't clear to me that it ever hit Green's head - then it was a result of the stick running up Green's chest as he fell back.

    As for the intent of the hit it was not clear from the replay if Orr was looking at Green or if Green came into his line of sight while he was focused on the puck that he seemed to be pursuing. Pierre McGuire was of the opinion that it was a reaction but I have to say that it looked to me like it was just an intentional hit on a player that didn't have the puck and wasn't going to have it. Since we can't see his eyes it's tough to judge but in my opinion it was a dirty hit.

This game wraps up the season series and the Washington Capitals win on points 5-4. As I've said before, these aren't the games that the Leafs can expect to win (although they should still work their tails off intelligently every night) but if they are going to make some headway out of the last five spots they better not give this kind of effort against their fellow lesser lights.

October 3, 2009 - Toronto 4 at Washington 6

November 21, 2009 - Toronto 2 vs Washington 1 SO

December 12, 2009 - Toronto 6 vs Washington 3 

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Regarding the Orr hit, he isn’t exactly the type of player to give the benefit of the doubt. It wasn’t a Ponikarovsky or a Schultz (gentle giants). He’s done this same exact thing before (against the Caps, actually). Considering this, I have a hard time believing he was going for the puck. I think he meant to hit Green and meant to get his stick up (to the chest, not the head). Still a shot that was nowhere near clean or legal.

Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 16, 2010 12:51 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

That’s why I don’t give him the benefit of the doubt either. He doesn’t look that surprised to me. He has his stick heading up pretty early.

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by PPP on Jan 16, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. He ain’t no Hellen Keller.

And to those that (might) say he doesn’t have the skill. He is still in the NHL, he may not be a Scott Niedermeyer, but he’s still a good enough skater to routinely get an NHL contract.

Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 16, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah I was thinking about this a bit more… someone in the post game thread said that Brashear is one of the best enforcers in the league and after watching him in Washington, doesn’t see the need for enforcers. The thing is, “best enforcer” means best fighter – he rarely loses a fight – not that he’s necesserily a lesser liability on the ice than other enforcers. Orr is actually a decent 4th liner, I feel – certainly better than some others I’ve watched. But yeah, while I love the hit because I am growing to increasingly dislike Green, it wasn’t a clean hit, even without the stick work. He should’ve kept his stick down – even though it only went into Green’s chest – but then, I think players are irresponsible with their sticks all over the NHL.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 16, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That was me. To be fair, Brash has lost a step and he was a decent forechecker and reliable 4th line guy for many years. In addition to his fighting ability he was one of the most skilled enforcers in the league for most of his career; that’s how he made it so long. He’s falling off for sure, but I think the point still remains regarding the entire breed.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 16, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno. Would you consider Rypien an enforcer? He’s probably the best of the breed right now, but as hard as his hands are in a fight, he’s also got some soft hands around the goal.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 16, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s an awesome hockey player. I’d kill to have him on the Caps. Are you seriously suggesting that Colton Orr is on the same level as Rypien? I’ll take guys that can play hockey and fight everyday. I just don’t see the need to have a guy that’s no good at hockey but will fight anyone; and then have that guy play 5 minutes and fight the corresponding guy on the other team.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 16, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I just think that Orr does have some skill beyond fighting. I meah, he’s a heckuva lot better than Darcy Hordichuk (forgive me, my husband’s a canucks fan so i watch them a lot). I also don’t know how much of a difference there is between a Jamal Mayers and a Colton Orr, while Orr’s a heavyweight enforcer, and I have no idea what Mayers is supposed to be. I’d say Orr is also better than a Derek Boogard. I’d put George Parros a step above him, however. Orr’s got some skill, not a whole lot, but where he’s lacking is in the smarts, I think.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 16, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

also

my point on Rypien is that he likely never would have made it to the NHL if there were no enforcers in the league – he’s made his way in hockey through fighting. He’s just a lot more skilled at hockey than any other enforcer I’m familiar with.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 16, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice recap. Balanced analysis of the Orr/Green thing.

You guys are good eggs.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Jan 16, 2010 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

When I read some reactions I was worried Orr had killed him. It’s not nearly as bad as I thought but not as innocent as some others interpreted.

If we could see his eyes we could definitely determine what he intended to do.

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by PPP on Jan 16, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

heh, around the nets people seem to think that Orr will get suspended for this… is anyone else surprised by that?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 16, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

I kinda am. I don’t think there’s any way he’s suspended. Green was fine and there was no head contact. Considering how dangerous you have to be to get punished I don’t see it coming.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 16, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

They are nuts

If Orr gets suspended for that hit after Gonchar didn’t get anything for an elbow that actually made contact to the player’s head I’d be stunned.

So yeah, 3 games.

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by PPP on Jan 16, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

True, you have the Star/No-star and the History/No-history dynamic, but it would be ridiculous if Orr was suspended. Koci didn’t get suspended for his hit on Green, which was much, much worse. Orr won’t be punished.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 16, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Great

recap, PPP! Kudos.
From what I saw on the replays, Toskasieve didn´t faulter too much – for sure 1 (the 2 or 3?)of the goals but the rest was just the hen running d´s fault.
Amazing how incredibly bad positioning they show this late in the season!!

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by SweKool on Jan 16, 2010 2:34 AM EST reply actions  

I still don’t think Orr saw Green coming, looked to me like he was looking past what was around him towards the play.
Not that I think it was a clean and legal hit or anything, but it would have been avoided had either player been paying attention to something other than the puck that was nowhere near them

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 16, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

I thought the Leafs were really robbed on the goal that would have tied the game 1-1.

Says John Mitchell,

“If we get that goal that the net got knocked off, things would have changed. It would have been a 1-1 game, and momentum coming our way.”

The net getting knocked off was completely inconsequential to the play. Washington never touched the puck so the only reason the whistle went was because the Leafs had scored. The goalie was way out of position, and the shooter was already in possession of the puck, directing it towards the goal. The time between the net coming off and the puck going in is less then a full second.

The goal should’ve counted. Knocking the net off right before the puck crosses the line because your goalie is out of position and there’s nothing else you can do is not a legitmate hockey play and a two-minute penalty does not suffice. It should be an automatic goal, or at the very least, treated like throwing the stick or covering the puck with a hand in the crease, and a penalty shot should’ve been awarded PLUS a delay of game penalty.

The Leafs are not good enough, as we’ve seen several times this season, to battle back from having legitimate goals taken away. They just can’t beat the refs AND another hockey team at the same time.

by general borschevsky on Jan 16, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

I just remembered the worst part: the Leafs had a goal scored on them that way last season and there was a scramble this year when Gustavsson was in net where the net was up and the puck slid wide but the goal apparently would have counted.

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by PPP on Jan 16, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

good thing that the NHL is Leafs biased…..

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 16, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that a goal should have been awarded. I said the same thing in the arena when it was happening live. But I completely disagree that it would have made any difference in the game. Sure, you never know what would happen but the Leafs’ D was atrocious all night, AO looked like a man on a mission, and the game was about as one-sided as it gets. The final score may have been a bit closer if the Leafs get that goal, but I don’t think it stops the eventual steamrolling that ensued.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 16, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

thats the thing though, the Leafs lose all motivation after that happens. The Leafs probably wouldn’t have won but they would have put a much better effort forward past that point and the game would have probably been somewhat respecteble

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 16, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure I think it would have made a difference to the outcome – OV was sensational and the Vesa was back to mid-season form – but John Mitchell thought so, and it definitely had an impact.

Caps coach Boudreau was sympathetic;

“They had a little bit of bad luck. Two goals being disallowed would have made it a different game.”

A different game, not neccessarily a different outcome.

by general borschevsky on Jan 16, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

True, and probably a more entertaining 3rd period. Except for the Green/Orr thing it was like both teams were just trying to get the final 20 minutes over with.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 16, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What did I expect? If not a Leafs win, a good solid effort.

I didn’t even get that much.

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Jan 18, 2010 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

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