Lightning 3 Leafs 2 (OT)
by Chemmy on Jan 21, 2010 9:43 PM EST
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PrintTerrible penalties sink the Leafs again. Tampa ties the game up late on the power play and then win the game in OT with 10 seconds left on a too many men on the ice call that didn't happen.
Gustavsson stopped 29 of 32 including some big stops on the PK, but all in all this was a boring game that no one deserved to win.
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Shit like that infuriates me.
The Mayers penalty was incredibly selfish. Ditto both Ponikarovsky penalties.
And how do you get a too many men penalty with 40 seconds left?
Ron Wilson needs to skate these bastards AND himself for letting shit like that happens. Unbelievable.
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the second Poni penalty was crap.
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
The first was crap as well. St.Louis saw him coming to steam roll him and turned at the last possible milisecond.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
Stop bitching about the officiating sucking. so it did. The leafs suck period. We could get calls galore our way and we’ll still lose. I am fed up with this shit effort by these players every game. God dammit i can’t wait till the seasons over.
the refing was shit, and it handed the lightening two goals tonight.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
the PK was actually quite good until two blown calls gave the offense that is stamkos / Lecavalier / St Louis 2 four on three power playes, which is the hardest situation to defend against, especially against a high flying offense
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, did you watch the game? It wasn’t a great effort by the Leafs but it was far from the shitty effort they’ve had a lot of nights. And the refs did suck (although Poni should have kept his mouth shut and he wouldn’t have got the second penalty).
It’s fine to blast these guys but let’s make sure it’s fully deserved.
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yeah, downie got a warning, but Poni didnt, pretty fucking one sided
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
even the first call of the game on Primeau was completely made up.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
yeah noone was deserving, this is a good point.
But from what I saw, Monster played well.
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions
agreed.
i just want to fall asleep and wake up in april 2010. fuck this season and its aggrevation.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
So do I go out and drown my sorrows socially, or sit at home and drink alone with no pants on while playing Prince songs (poorly) on only an acoustic guitar? The latter seems more appropriate for this season.
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That’s winning. All my stupid asshole friends are being responsible adults and not getting shittered on a Thursday. Jerks.
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by puckurgently on Jan 21, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
congrats on movie out of the ’rents
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I MOVED OUT OVER THREE YEARS AGO LADY!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
IT HAS IT'S OWN ENTRANCE!
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Are you even allowed to run a blog now?
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Technically
No but only if the authorities find out.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 9:45 PM EST reply actions
Can’t blame Gustavsson. Ponikarovsky takes yet another terrible penalty. Leafs make yet another terrible line change. These are simple, simple fundamentals that Leafs, sadly, aren’t getting right.
I don’t think that was a legitimate too many men call. Primeau’s guy Stajan was inside the bench when he touched the puck.
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They justified it based on when he played the puck.
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by puckurgently on Jan 21, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Stajan had his ass on the boards and feet off the ice when Primeau touched the puck
i doubt auger saw anything and just called the penalty on Toccet yelling for a call
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think the BS call
was the 2nd Poni penalty. The first one was suspect to me anyway since St. Louis turned last second and it was a bang bang play… showing it slowed down doesn’t really do it justice from Ponikarovsky’s perspective. The Ref was basically reacting to how St. Louis ended up… not his positioning on the play…. he twisted in the air also to end up at the boards… Poni was coming at him from an angle… not straight into the boards.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Poni even playing that far down low? There were already two Leafs trying to get the puck away from St. Louis. Poni shouldn’t even be there.
Yes
and it was the 2nd borderline hit he made in the shift… he should have gotten a penalty further up the ice… but it’s hard to blast him when people bash him for not being physical enough. You can’t have it both ways… you either want him to be a physical presence or you don’t. Guys that play on the physical edge are bound to make those sorts of plays… hence Steve Downie being 3rd in the NHL in PIMs.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t like him in the first place. this isn’t exactly the first bonehead penalty he’s taken this year. in fact, he’s taken several. i don’t mind if he takes a decent penalty, but this one or the holding the stick calls….just unwarranted.
actually to be fair to Ponikarovsky
he doesn’t take very many penalties at all… the problem you’re noticing is when he does take them they seem to stand out.
He isn’t a 100 penalty minute guy.
The distinction is, guys that end up with 100 penalty minutes take more than their share of stupid calls but you accept it because of all the other ones they take.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
i agree. he isn’t a big time offender. the problem is that he takes very stupid penalties. his penalties always seem to be momentum killers for the Leafs, as in “wtf is that guy doing” type of penalties.
That I'll grant you
but his positive contributions to the team out weigh his dumb penalties… or occasional misplays.
We notice them more because he doesn’t do it that often I’d say. When Rosehill does it we chalk it up to the tough guy being rambunctious. When Poni does it once every 20 games, people freak out over it. I really don’t think it’s as big a problem as we’re implying here.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it’s just me, but he’s taking A LOT of offensive zone penalties this season.I don’t know if it’s always been like this, but it’s a real issue.
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Ok I'm looking into it since I wanted to know how bad it is
and I’m going to have to eat my words. Ponikarovsky actually leads the team in minor penalties with 22 now.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
That being said
he’s taken 22 minors in 53 games… so it’s not like he’s doing it ALL The time.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
that’s ok. he certainly doesn’t have a reputation where you say “hey, he takes a lot of penalties”
he just, this year, seems to take bad penalties
He has taken
5 minors in the last 5 games. That may also lead to some of us thinking he’s doing it a lot … since he has been… recently.
Prior to those 5 games, he had taken 17 penalties in 47 games… or roughly one every 3 games. Not such a big deal.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ok NHL.com is updating
it’s only 20 minors… not the 22 (I added the 2 from tonight onto the 20 they had posted).
He still leads the Leafs though.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
i’d be curious to see if anyone has more offensive zone penalties than poni. he’s gotta be top 5 in the league.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I'm not going to compare
him to everyone else, since they don’t seem to keep stats like that.
But I will check the location of all of his penalties.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I look at it the other way. The first one was debatable, but I’d rather see that call made more often than not.
But Christ Poni, use your head!!! Everyone’s been talking about whether Auger went out of his way to screw Burrows over, and you think it’s a good idea to start screaming at him after a marginal penalty? What did he think was going to happen?
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that Auger should grow up. Anyone who officiates a game is going to be told where to stick it now and then.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
He shouldn't need to grow up
the NHL should hold him accountable for his idiotic refereeing… and not wait until the end of the year. It’s making them look bad.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
they already looked bad, though
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry. It’s the players’ responsibilty there to keep his mouth shut. Particularly when Poni doesn’t have a letter on his sweater and isn’t in a position to speak to the refs on the ice anyways.
Auger’s terrible refereeing is another issue, but it doesn’t excuse Poni’s stupidity.
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well then as a ref you dispense justice equally
how does steve fucking downie get a pass for acting out when the game isnt on the line but ponit doesnt when it is?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said before, there’s no defence for Auger treating identical situations differently.
But there’s also no defence for Poni beaking off at a ref after he just caused the team to give up the lead.
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and im not giving poni an out, he had a similar spaz out last year (stick throw anyone?) and he needs to keep it under wrap
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
was it?
huh, could have been
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
towards the refs at the end of a game/ot
yes, antropov
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
i stand corrected
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
burke used to work for the nhl
should we be able to curry some favor for the leafs instead of against them?
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Burke’s teams have never curried favour
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Great
Now I’m starving.
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I am going to make the world’s best sandwich, have an ice cold beer, and munch on some Danish butter cookies.
Have a good night folks. Only hockey talk in here.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 22, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
it’s near the end of the game. a weak call blows the team lead. Poni lets out steam and it’s a penalty parade afterwards? No, that’s crap. A game shouldn’t be decided on that.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
If Poni keeps his mouth shut, it never happens. That’s the moral of the story here.
You can debate Auger’s refereeing all you want, but that fact is irrefutable.
IF PONI KEEPS HIS MOUTH SHUT, IT NEVER HAPPENS.
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There was already a pile of questionable calls in the game. The players didn’t decide the winner of this game.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Horseshit
Calling a penalty on a guy breaking a stick on the boards is something you do with kids. Not in the NHL.
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Yeah
Horseshit call. Stajan was at the door when Primeau touched the puck.
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Re: your other point… yes I’ve accepted the Leafs suckiness this year and know they will lose more. It’s just the manner in which we lost this game… never fails to drive me nuts.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
yeah, I get that too.
I have beer now.
But I also have to hear John Garrett
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
You’ll need a lot of beer to drown out the suck of Garrett.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
it’s been changed to True Lies, I’m in the clear.
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I just need to mention that
Gustavsson has a wicked-awesome 0-8 record in OT.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
They lost
during a 4-on-3… not 4 on 4. They also gave up the tying goal in a 4-on-3. .. the Leafs 4-on-4 play wasn’t really the problem aside from the penalties they took during it.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
i meant that in relation to monster’s overall OT record, not this game in particular.
but if your stat wizardry finds most of those games were 4-3 OT PP wins for the other team, then it still isnt a negative reflection on gustavsson
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
the Leafs 4-4 looked like a PK.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well
they were facing Lecavalier, Stamkos, St. Louis, and Foster… that’s a pretty difficult to stop group of 4 for any NHL club.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
doesn’t mean you should form a box and let the opponent set up in the zone. Need to be a bit more aggressive.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Blake's giveaway
certainly didn’t help matters. The Leafs suck at getting the puck deep.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
oh.. that was brutal. I was waiting for Blake to do a complete lap of the rink.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Their inability to score 4-on-4 is killing them.
by general borschevsky on Jan 21, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you say mean things?
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by puckurgently on Jan 21, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Because I spend all my days
trying to say uplifting and positive things to children who have low senses of self worth. You guys I don’t give a shit about… sorry.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
HAH
I love brutal honesty
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Every teacher I’ve encountered since I’ve been out of school has made me wonder about the ones I’ve had when I was in it.
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by puckurgently on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
explain?
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
You know. How many of them are going home and venting about what jackasses their students are, etc.
My sister’s best friend became a teacher. I’ve known her since we were little kids, and while I have nothing against her, I would certainly pause a moment if I ended up with a kid in her class.
Steve’s comment (while awesome) made me think of this.
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by puckurgently on Jan 21, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
teachers care here and there
but sometimes you have a grade 4 teacher who cusses ‘fucking kids’ under her breath in class and you remember it forever.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Oh don't get me wrong
I care about my students … a lot actually. They’re generally great kids.
But I was being brutally honest about how they also have fucked up senses of self worth. The number of kids I teach that actually think they’re remotely capable of anything is astronomically low… but I teach in an alternative program.
I didn’t mean to imply that I think they don’t HAVE worth… I said they have a low SENSE of SELF worth… those are entirely different statements.
Most kids are capable of a lot more than they (or their parents) realize… sure the occasional kid isn’t… but that’s not really their fault.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
i think we all assume you fall into the “teachers who care” category.
being a leaf fan is the best way to learn about adversity.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
You also need to realize
that the interesting stories teachers share are rarely about how awesome kids are… because frankly those are far less interesting tales to tell than the ones about the screw up kids.
We usually DO have good improvement stories… but I concur with your concerns… a lot of teachers are idiots to be honest.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Idiots are everywhere – intelligence and degrees on the wall doesn’t necessarily translate into good judgment.
I have known a lot of stupid ‘smart’ people in my life and worry that they might have an influence people’s lives.
Pretty scary stuff.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Be fair
That’s not Gustavsson’s record. The Leafs own their abysmal OT record as a team. 1 win and 10 losses. At least Gustavsson gets them to OT a earns them a single point. He can’t score and there’s no ties so the only thing he can do in OT if the Leafs don’t score or win the shoot-out is lose.
by general borschevsky on Jan 21, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's pretty fair
to mention that Gustavsson has been in OT or the shootout 8 times and hasn’t managed to win ONCE.
Sure this one was on the team in front of him… but goalies need to steal you a point occasionally. That’s how this whole thing works for NHL goalies.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
i think that’s fair, but he made several big saves. he hasn’t gotten much support. it’s one thing to steal a game, but the leafs played almost the entire final 10 minutes of the game on the PK.
Actually
more annoying was the amount of 4 on 4 play, which is obviously skewed in Tampa’s favour frankly.
Then adding penalties to make it 4 on 3. 4 on 3 is frankly the highest likelihood of scoring of any man situations… it’s a bit ridiculous for them to have multiple 4 on 3’s within a 10 minute span.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
i’ve tried arguing this before – that 4 on 3 is easier to score than 5 on 3 – and been told i was an idiot. i still think it’s true.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
more room on the ice is always a good thing for scoring. I think it’d also depend on the quality of the 5th player on that 5 on 3.
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Go to Behind The Net Hockey and e-mail Gabe. I’ll bet he’ll give you a tonne of facts to throw at the person that called you an idiot.
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exactly
roger clemens had a 1.87 ERA in houston one year, but only had a 13-8 record to show for it.
sometimes you’re just a guy hung out to dry by your crappy team.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Of course his ERA isn't 1.87
or his GAA… it’s 2.97… and his save percentage is only .901.
He’s closer to Alex Auld or Mike Smith than Ryan Miller and Martin Brodeur… just saying.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
fair to say on an overall basis. I wouldn’t criticize Gustavsson much for this game, with the exception of the first goal where he got over but left a big hole in the short side. Otherwise he played well tonight.
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He doesn’t “win” the game though. Somebody else has to shoot the puck in the opposition net for that to happen. The leafs don’t do that, there are no ties, the only option left is lose.
A goalie doesn’t win the game for you in overtime. That’s up to the players. “His” record of 0-8 is a reflection of his teamates efforts in OT, not his. I feel pretty strongly about that. He can’t help the quality or frequency of the scoring chances against.
by general borschevsky on Jan 21, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well
if it makes you feel any worse… only 1 of the losses came in the shoot out… so he isn’t even making it that far… and he CAN do something to get it that far.
Being 0-7 in OT, and 0-1 in the shoot out (which he looked absolutely ATROCIOUS in by the way) doesn’t really make me feel better based on your arguments.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
i chalk that up to being foreign.
learning different ice dimensions, different defensive zone dimensions, and having to piece it all together behind an inept OT system dont lead to great returns in north american bonus points
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
basically
he makes as many saves as he can, but is still learning the ropes. im not expecting magic but at least hes playing alright.
this season is already a write-off so i take the positives whereever i can
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
What is with the idea that foreign goalies
need a lot of time to “adjust”?
Have we not noticed that like half the NHL has foreign goalies these days?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but most of those goalies aren’t rookies.
and if they are, they probably spent some time in junior or the ahl.
monster went cold from sweden to the nhl.
and coming out of the lockout a lot of goalies had to re-learn their visual cues, because the blue line had been pushed back and using them to judge your angles and position yourself in your crease wasnt the same anymore.
so i assume its the same for an north american green-horn
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure they need to adjust
But I don’t think it’s something that takes an entire season… or even 20 games frankly.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Niemi in Chicago seems to be doing fine…
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Again
it likely has more to do with the team in front of you. Chicago is probably the top defensive team in the NHL right now.
Gustavsson would probably look good on Minnesota, NY of 2/3 years ago, Chicago, or Boston, or wherever they actually play well defensively.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
heh, you surprised me with that Chicago statement, but I really haven’t watched them lately.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and do I need to e-mail you to get
postings listed in the FTB? I’m not good with that but I shall work at it if required.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
We have hockey analysis in the RSS reader, have I missed any of your posts?
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by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
But he’s a rookie who had basically no training camp, missed a fair amount of regular season games with a groin pull and a second ablation procedure and, as mentioned before, came straight from Sweden to the NHL.
He’s not the Nabokov everyone hoped he would be but he’s also not an abysmal failure. He’s showing promise. Imagine the difference it would make if the rest of the team could play above a peewee level.
Niklas Backstrom
came over from Finland and had a .929 save percentage his first year in the NHL.
Henrik Lundqvist came over from Sweden and had a .922 save percentage in his first year.
Semyon Varlamov came over from Russia and had a .918 save percentage in the NHL as a rookie, and .916 save percentage in the AHL the same year.
Lots of goalies have to continue to develop, but I don’t think learning the “new angles” has a lot to do with that… otherwise Canadian World Junior goalies would be at a huge disadvantage every time they hold the world juniors in Europe on Olympic Size Ice… which never seems to be a problem.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
All three of those goalies had significantly better teams than this season’s Leafs though. Gustavsson has seen his share of struggles no doubt, and it’s still clear the Leafs will have to bring in another reliable co-starter next season, but it is sill his first year in the NHL. So I’m willing to cut him more slack than most.
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I'm not sure I agree with that assessment entirely
Lundqvist was probably the difference maker in NY. The year prior to his arrival they went 27-40-7-8… that’s pretty crappy. They added Jagr partway through the year, and traded away Kovalev, Leetch, let Messier walk, etc. I’m just not sure it was guaranteed that they’d turn everything around without Lundqvist playing well as a rookie.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Jagr scored 120+ points in that season as a New York Ranger. Nylander was still more than serviceable as an almost ppg player. The Rangers were a pretty good team that flopped in the playoffs. Did Lundqvist make a difference? Of course. But anyway you slice it, the Rags were a great regular season team. And the point still stands for Backstrom and Varlamov.
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I'm not arguing that the Rangers weren't decent
I just think Lundqvist was a large part of their turnaround… similar to how Gustavsson was probably expected to help with the turnaround in Toronto… and might eventually.
What worries me more is his .901 save percentage… I would have liked to see him dominate in the AHL for a while before being thrust into the NHL, but I suppose time is a luxury Toronto never seems to have.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I would have liked to see him dominate in the AHL for a while before being thrust into the NHL, but I suppose time is a luxury Toronto never seems to have.
I also would have liked to see that as well, but I’m thinking the whole “you’re in the NHL as soon as possible” was the deal maker for Gustavsson to come to Toronto. The regular season is pretty much his training grounds. Unfortunate, but reality.
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He also had at 2 PP goals against in the last 20 seconds of games (tonight and Buffalo) so his teammates, aside from never scoring, aren’t helping either.
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Best thing about the Too Many Men penalty. Exact same thing happened in the 2nd but was done by Tampa. I’m going to find a cat to kick.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
well yay….pity point!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 9:50 PM EST reply actions
once again, if anyone's interested.....
…. canucks host dallas, game begins in a few minutes. if anyone is interested in joining us, here’s the Nucks Misconduct gamethread.
Official Ambassador for Nucks Misconduct.
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler."
GO CANUCKS GO!
Sorry. I need to sleep.
6-3 Washington. Ovie with an empty-netter to pad my PPPPP stats.
"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer
green having a sit is hurting my pool
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
god we’re horrible in overtime. you know who wasn’t horrible in overtime? mats.
is it july yet? do we have a bunch of new players that don’t suck yet?
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
i refer you to my statements above:
i just want to fall asleep and wake up in april 2010. fuck this season and its aggrevation.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like canceling all by NHL subscriptions, selling anything with NHL on it and moving on in life.
This is gonna put me in a early grave.
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take that only if we don’t finish in the lottery. I’m just tired of these losses crushing my soul.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Right now
Edmonton and Carolina are on track to get Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin… our odds of Boston landing either of those two are pretty low. They might get their hands on Cam Fowler… but we can pretend we’ve never heard of him when his name gets called so it’s not a big deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I can live with that.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Same
Cam Fowler who? as long as its not Seguin or Hall im not too upset. We have a bunch of DMen anyways
Luke Schenn/Carl Gunnarsson >>>> Cam Fowler
true story, that.
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
jamie devane will crush first rounders with his iron fists.
taylor hall? more like taylor schmall…
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Can he get this done before June?
If so, Jamie Devane will forever be in my debt.
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 21, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Devane
has hardly fought since he broke his hand at the start of the year. 3 fights all season after 18 last season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
really?
That’s kind of ridiculous. They took the lead, they took it again… then some iffy calls ruined the ending.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna have some chocolate and reminisce about Sundin
I'm worse than Auger.
by Kerry Fraser on Jan 21, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
i’m going to have a glass of port and some chocolate and reminisce about sundin. fucking right.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I'm going to drink some apple cider with a shot of rum in it
then I’m going to mark some math papers… and pretend the Leafs actually have some trade irons on the fire.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
or head over to DGB
92/93, 93/94, and 98-04 videos make my heart warm.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking about Mats while watching that game last night.
We would have never gotten to OT with him on the ice….
I miss Mats….
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I want some mother fucking chicken wings
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 10:13 PM EST reply actions
yes, yes i think i might
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
i had some tonight. perhaps the most generous ‘pound’ of wings i’ve ever had… 15, 16 wings? ridiculous deliciousness.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
the kelseys free pound?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
wow tortorella
going at it with brooks again. only this time he didn’t say “fuck” on air.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 PM EST reply actions
Just got back from watching a bunch of big, truculent, blue guys that like to kick ass – sorry not the Leafs, saw Avatar.
Go Leafs Go!!!
by Another Good Kingston Boy on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST reply actions
holy crap Mason Raymond has really improved this year
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions
wait, whats with the post headline?
4-3 lightning/leafs? is there a reason for this?
we expect better things, chemmy.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:35 PM EST reply actions
The Positives...
- I would say something about Schenn being even on the evening but…. :(
- Primeau was okay from what I saw.
primeau looks like he wants to punch Losing in the face.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Game in Six
http://mapleleafs.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=796&id=57952
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Ron Wilson and Brian Burke should be ashamed that this heap of shit is the team they put together. Feel sorry for the usa olympic fans cause they are being run by this incompetent duo. It;s almost sickening to watch this crap year after year and see it keep happening.
funny
this is the first year Burke has put together the team. You can’t blame them for the past few years.
I think you may need a little Leafs break.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Burke hasn’t really put together this team. It’s still JFJ and Fletcher’s team.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
this is more accurate than my statement.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
indeed, its about 1/3rd of the way to being Burkes team
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
quite.
toskala
blake
finger
mayers
hollweg
van ryn
mccabe
raycroft
tucker
mark bell
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
oops, forgot this was about the present team
…got on a roll about JFJ mistakes.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 21, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
This team is my personal nightmare. JFJ, Burke, Wilson and fletcher are the four horsemen of incompetence and MLSE is Satan himself.
yup, that is totally reasonable
not a single one of them have ever done anything good for this organization, nope
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
JFJ was a dick, but he did do a few things right – drafted some good players and signed Kabs to that crazy lowball deal. He did do a lot of stupid shit, though.
Fletcher – Hollweg and Mayers were stupid disaster trades – giving picks away for these guys? The Stempniak for Carlo/Steen trade is about a wash. Other than that, he was stuck with trying to deal with the No Trade Crew. I know we didn’t get Tyler ‘Norris’ Myers, but does anyone have a crystal ball? I liked that draft day deal then so I refuse to flipflop now.
Burke – Komi and Beauch both had a horrible start to their Leafs career. Kessel was NOT picked up for this year, He was picked up for the next 4 years, so don’t judge that trade yet – especially since Boston hasn’t fucking drafted ANYONE yet. We have to wait a year or 2 on Kadri… Burke’s big test will be what he does between now and the next training camp.
Murphy’s law combined with over inflated expectations is why we are so upset about this season. It won’t get worse than this, and I expect the Leafs will still finish around or just out of the bottom 5 this year.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I give fletcher a pass on the Hollweg and Mayers deals for the Gilmour trade, more than compensation
Also Finger wasnt signed to be a 7th D man, he was signed to play top 4. If he was he’d be worth the contract but things didnt work out for it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
If it keeps happening year after year, why blame Wilson and Burke?
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Caveat
Since I don’t want to discourage you from having an opinion and feel like you’re being ganged on here, I will say that you’re right this has been a frustrating year for the Leafs. But I hope you can relent that the Leafs would have been very hard pressed to make the playoffs this season by any measure. Hockey is still a form of entertainment. If you find the Leafs bring you no discernible joy, then I’m not sure how much the Leafs are worth it at this juncture for you.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
How do you see this team competing in the future. Almost everything Burke has done has been a failure.
you really need to calm down and stop posting ridiculous things
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
you’ll still be cheering for the leafs even if they do.
A Toronto sports blog, where unabashed homerism is alive and well...
yeah, the team is going to get made over even more for next season, there is no way to tell how they will look.
No one can make any accurate measure of where they will finish next year. You can be negative and ignore the good that is there all you want but the fact remains there is potential.
If you can’t see it then you should stick to Cox and Berger
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
You’re right. I’m still fuming. Hopefully Burke can do the right things. It’s just so disheartening having to watch game after game of crap. I just pray for the love of Wendel that half these bums are gone after Mar 3 and we get a decent return of picks/ prospects.
well there ya go, that wasnt so hard was it?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent
additions with the new features, ladies and gents of PPP industries.
Just when I didn’t think this place could possibly get any better, y’all go and pull a stunt like this.
Keep up the great work.
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i know we could probibly get a decent return on Ian White, but there is no way we should trade him. I’d say bye to Kaberle before letting White go. Hell if I were going to pick a captain out of any member of the team it’d be Whitey.
Definitely they should trade Kaberle before White.
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4:38 PM jorach: we should start guessing what hilarious failure happens to the leafs
tonight seems like “go down three goals in the first five minutes to a terrible team, claw back in the third and lose in a shootout”
So Handsome.
I should have known it was “blow a late lead, lose as OT expires”.
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You had a 50-50 shot
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
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