They want to play and are disappointed in their ice-time. I've never ever heard a player say that before have you? This happens all the time.
Just play better as simple as that and your numbers show if you play well or not. Nobody's entitled to ice-time. Unfortunately a lot of players today actually believe they're entitled no matter how they're performance is to just automatically play without accountability or responsibility.
I wish everybody was out here bitching and complaining but then they went on the ice and backed it up with performance.
Ron Wilson unloading on two supposed veteran leaders on the team and their ridiculous stance. The emphasis at the end is mine.
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Oh wow, that’s a far longer quote that I’ve read elsewhere.
He has a point.
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by Karina on Jan 28, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions
Tough to disagree
with Wilson. Exelby and Mayers have been underwhelming, and that’s being nice. Shut the fuck up and play better, jobbers.
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Ugh
I love this quote, I really do. However, I smell a player revolt soon.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
The players will be revolting? They have been like that all year…. revolting.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 28, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
That’s your wrong opinion that you are entitled too
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 28, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
The players are always revolting. Soon they’ll be rebelling!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 28, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
they’ll be gone anyways…
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by Karina on Jan 28, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Ron Wilson,
Now’s not really a great time to be discouraging players from wanting out.
Please shut up until mid-March.
Thanks,
Leafs fans
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by Down Goes Brown on Jan 28, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
not really a great time to be discouraging players from wanting out
How do you figure? Aside from the “it would be great if all our shitty players disappeared” argument (which has more merit than it might ordinarily, given the absolutely craptastic performance of the whole team over the last ten games or so), how does XLB and Mayers’ situation make it better for us?
I’m not stoopid enough to think Burkie’s going to get much of anything for either Mayers or XLB (unless Bob Gainey is active at the deadline) but public announcements that players want to leave compromise BB’s ability to get fair value in the deal. Mayers and XLB going public like that are like the Heatly/Senators thing but on a much, much, much smaller and shittier scale. The effect won’t likely be much, but Burkie’s already sitting with a pair of fours at the poker table and everybody knows it. I am not in favour of anything that makes it harder for him to get something in return for those bums.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
it would be great if all our shitty players disappeared
Well, yeah. Until we forfeited the rest of the season.
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…costing us two places in the standings, approximately facepalm.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
…ah, Hall, Seguin, Fowler, whatever. They’ve got Jordan “Destiny Panics” Eberle to look forward to!
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Hmm, if only he could get his hands on three twos Burke would have a full house!
by Mirinov's Nose on Jan 28, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the sense of entitlement hasn’t left this team after all.
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Exactly
Maybe more Torontonians need to treat the players like shit around town.
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I mean soccer players have to be recluses when they stink. Why not get to near that level. If I saw them at the grocery store I might follow them around booing…until they beat me up.
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id love to see someone boo orr
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 28, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Or heckling them in the hallway at their own apartments?
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by puckurgently on Jan 28, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Honestly, I almost couldn’t breath when I heard that story. My friend does good work.
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But seriously. This topic or Leaf royalty comes up again and again. Are the fans wrong? Should we honestly give the team the cold shoulder? More paper bags on our heads? Or is that just an empty attempt at gaining control over the fucked up state this team is in?
The bag on the head expresses shame, not disappointment. I’m not ashamed of being a fan, I just hate most of the players on a personal level and would upper deck them if I knew where they lived.
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by puckurgently on Jan 28, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
i hate half the team
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 28, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I’m not ashamed of being a Leafs fan so the paper bag is out but I wouldn’t mind booing them non-stop at a game or heckling them in public.
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I agree. I’d like them to become so worried about this that they don’t come out of hiding, even for games.
For some of them, you might even say I want them to emulate JD Salinger.
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by puckurgently on Jan 28, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
my views on loyalty
are complex. I mean, you don’t abandon — that’s bullshit bandwagoning.
but you don’t encourage unacceptable performances with your money or your cheers. The most sensible option for me lately has been to try not to watch too much, check in here when i have to and shake my head at the result. And parse through looking for reasons for optimism.
Ultimately, fans are fucked. It’s a completely illogical thing to do. But you persevere on the belief that one day it will all be worth it. To paraphrase Bill Simmons (who’s turned into a bit of a douche since his sports town turned into everything he used to hate) all I really want is to win one cup, to get the monkey off my back, so i can be treated like any other fan. Not be the subject of such pettiness, pity, jealousy and scorn.
No one on this team should be complaining about ice time.
If there was a way to give less ice time to all of them(with few exceptions), I would.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 28, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions
interesting comments from Burke and Mayers:
"I can play a specific role and it is no secret that teams look for certain things like more depth for a playoff run," Mayers said. "I have not had a chance to win yet so I would certainly like to have that."
Burke wasn’t thrilled that Mayers’ request became public.
"We would prefer to handle situations like this internally," Burke said. "The agent asked for a trade and I have no idea why the agent leaked this. We’ve let teams know he is available."
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jan 28, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions
doesn't Burke hate this
Remember when the Heatley thing became public and he DESTROYED Heatley
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Also love this quote
"It is tough on the family, but it is a business,"
Ponikarovsky
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Do you think it ever occured to them
that the reason they’ve never had a chance to win is because they are part of the problem rather than the solution?
Maybe if they were better they would win more. Rather than looking for good teams to be a passenger on, they could perhaps do everyone a favour and shut up about how they think they can do more to help the team. You’re “Defensive” players on the worst defensive team in the NHL. You’re Penalty Killers on one of the worst PK’s in history. If you think there’s a reason for it beyond your shitty play, you don’t seem capable of articulating that… in fact they seem to think they want MORE ice time, despite their atrocious numbers.
It really makes no sense on any level for them to think they have trade value… these guys are becoming the NHL equivalent of the LA Clippers.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 28, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
It really makes no sense on any level for them to think they have trade value… these guys are becoming the NHL equivalent of the LA Clippers
Poignant.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 29, 2010 4:55 AM EST up reply actions
They’d get plenty of ice time in the Marlies
by theothervatican on Jan 28, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions
You know,
When I’ve thought out loud about why either of these guys has a job with the big club, one of the things people have consistently said is that they’ve been led to believe both are “good for the room.”
Huh.
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by puckurgently on Jan 28, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Have U Heard?
Turns out that Garnet Exelby and Jamal Mayers are shitty veteran leadership. Good luck selling your potential new employers on that now.
Huh.
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Boo Hoo!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 28, 2010 4:46 PM EST reply actions
I got less ice time last night too
My beer league team had 5 d-men. 5! I should demand a trade!
by Its Cold In Here on Jan 28, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions
It stinks when everyone actually shows up at beer league games.
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Ya, we had three subs since it looked like we would be short, but then everyone came. Stupid “early” games (10pm).
by Its Cold In Here on Jan 28, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Should have come to my game. We had 9 guys and then lost one in the 1st to a broken collar bone. Finished the game with three D and five forwards. I was pretty bagged by the end.
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Well I played a game earlier this season with 6 skaters. That was brutal.
by Its Cold In Here on Jan 29, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
wow.
I’m getting the sense of impending doom with this team that I had in the lead up to PM’s firing.
Prediction: RW lasts until next season, but gets fired < 20 games in.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 28, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions
Yeah
Was talking about this with God Till but I think he gets until Christmas next year.
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so...
next season, do we start a “Ron wilson watch” pool?
I'll roll up on you smooth and punch you in the jeans
Just curious, what would Carlyle’s potential firing have to do with Wilson’s situation?
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I’d like Hitchcock to get fired. Would hope Burke would jump all over the opportunity to bring him in.
At first I thought “wow. great idea.”
But lately it seems like the coaches who have done well in the NHL are a new-school of coach that typically has been brought out of the AHL. I’m thinking Bylsma and Budreau. Obviously those teams have some skill not present on our team, but they seem to get through to the players. The Pens went something ridiculous like 1000 wins and 2 losses under Bylsma at the end of last year and beginning of this year….
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 28, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
So this makes Paul Maurice the exception to the rule?
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 28, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Maurice was an NHL coach long before he was ever an AHL coach (think Hartford). Although maybe he was an AHL coach before that?
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 28, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
and yes, I’m sure there are other exceptions, so don’t go looking for them. I’m just no longer convinced that going with the same old-boys works in the new NHL. see:
Pat Quinn
Ron Wilson
Hitchcock (?)
Crawford
Martin
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 28, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Quenneville’s still out of a job, despite having a cup ring.
The style of play is so different now, it seems a different school of coach is required. Guys like DeBoer and Clouston are doing rather well in their first gigs.
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by Karina on Jan 28, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Quenneville’s with Chicago, is he not? You may be thinking of someone else.
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dammit I am.
I am thinking Hartley.
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by Karina on Jan 28, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I knew what you meant actually. I was trying to remember that guy.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 28, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure it's always as simple as that
Boudreau and Blysma had incredibly talented teams.
But Hitchcock has shown to be able to install good defensive systems. You know, what Wilson was supposedly brought here to do. He turned Nash into a complete player. And he took a not very good team last year into the playoffs (of course it helped he had a great goalie…..Gustavsson?) I think there would be a ton of interest if Hitchcock was available, and he has something RW doesn’t, a cup ring.
and Hitchcock this year?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 28, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Torpedoed by terrible, terrible goaltending.
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And regression to the mean. Same thing that did in Andy Murray. Too much success too early is pretty much a death sentence the following season for a coach.
Murray took a terrible team
And made it good his first 2 years though. One year they turned from good to great for a brief period and it was all over.
The Blues were horrible last year before their miracle run to sneak into the playoffs.
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Dilemma
Everybody who has ever played for Wilson hates him. And basically all of the Leafs suck. What are you going to do?
http://www.sharkspage.com/2008_05_01_archive_history.html
“The worst was saved for Al Strachan, who not only described Wilson’s “terse and sarcastic” demeanor as wearing thin with players, but who also reported an instance of Ron Wilson calling out Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Matt Carle, and Milan Michalek by writing their names on a chalk board in between periods and allegedly saying “These are the guys that are letting us down”. He reported that Wilson would probably be let go in favor of a head coach that was “less acerbic”."
i could care less if RW is a nice guy
he’s trying to squeeze water from a rock in this situation, and hasn’t had much opportunity to show anybody what kind of a coach he can be in toronto.
right now hes a “coach a crappy nearly last-place team for a couple of futile seasons then get fired” kind of coach. but thats as good as you could say about anyone in the same situation.
i like how he doesnt play a trap, which is what a lot of coaches revert to when they have no talent (i.e. florida).
im not a stempniak fan, but he’s seemed to find a way for him to be utilized in a few different situations.
he recognized the budding talents of ian white and let him take the reins and run with it.
he saw the emerging creativity of kulemin and has given him a chance to shine
last year, he saw the spark that grabbo & hagman had and that was a fruitful combo when healthy.
so there are definitely areas where we’ve seen a little glimmer of what RW can do. id like to see what comes out of a team with more talent.
if these players dont want to hear the hard news that they suck, then too bad. you’re professionals, please act like it.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jan 28, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that came pretty late in Wilson’s tenure as the Sharks coach. He was ripping on good players on a very good team at that point. So it makes more sense that they would get angry.
If these bums are upset then too damn bad.
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I would also like to point out
that neither Michalek or Carle are still with the Sharks… they’ve both since been dealt (Carle’s moved twice since then actually)… so it’s not like the Sharks were desperate to hang on to them either.
Wilson is demanding, and as far as I can tell that isn’t working much with the pack of retreads we’re throwing on the ice with regularity. The guys that respond to it, who step up their intensity, seem to be thriving to some extent. I don’t know if that method will work for some of the guys that have to work their asses off just to be brutally mediocre. It’s not like Exelby or Mayers would ever be All-Star material if they could just figure it out. They have always sucked, and probably always will. They’re both NHL players, but they’ve both played on bad teams their entire careers – for a reason. The idea that Wilson would suddenly convert them to winners is laughable.
Exelby has been coached by the following coaches: Brad McCrimmon, Bob Hartley, Don Waddell, John Anderson, and Ron Wilson… two of those guys have made it to the Stanley Cup finals as head coach, one of them did so as a player (McCrimmon)… and Anderson has won a Calder Cup in the AHL. The idea that it’s the coaches that are making him bad and not playing him enough is ridiculous.
Mayers has been coached by the following guys: Mike Keenan, Greg Gilbert, Joel Quennville, Mike Kitchen, Andy Murray, and Ron Wilson. Again… two of them have made the Finals as a coach, one as a player, and again I wouldn’t hold any of them responsible for his poor play.
This whole lack of ice time thing in the case of pluggers who are NEVER going to be 1st line material is a joke.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 28, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Jamal Mayers’ highlight as a Maple Leaf is pounding Tom Kostopolous in a game when they were down by 4.
Garnet Exelby’s highlight as a Maple Leaf is wearing a pimpin’ fedora the night of the season opener.
That pretty much says it all right there.
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And what a fedora it was. Exelby also won that yoga competition between him and Luke Schenn with Trish Stratus judging.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 28, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
she just wanted an excuse to invite luke back for some private lessons
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 28, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah she did!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 28, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Get rid of all of the crappy players.
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Bloge needs to do a clip about this…
RW, Schenn, Hagman, KESSEL, White, Kaberle, Gunnarrson and Kulemin sitting by themselves in the dressing room – ‘Talent only Meeting’
I didn’t include any call ups or UFAs…
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 28, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
what about Gus?
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by El Monstruo on Jan 28, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
shit is getting out of control around the team. at least that’s how it seems. I’d be really interested to see what one of the guys has to say about the coaching staff once they get moved.
I agree with Ron Wilson
somebody make a note. It’s unlikely to happen.
Seriously, the fact that bags of bones like Mayers and Exelby are “demanding trades” is fucked.
who do these guys think they are? dany fucking heatly?
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by my son has a choice on Jan 28, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
I’m not a big fan of Wilson but I’ll give him full marks for this quote.
So many of us want the players to be held accountable and the only thing left seems to be the carrot of ice-time
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Here’s a question: how does all this impact how Mayers plays in the next few games?
- More fighting/hitting, to showcase himself
- Less fighting/hitting, to prevent injury and also because screw Ron Wilson
- No difference
- Doesn’t matter because you won’t notice him anyway
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by Down Goes Brown on Jan 29, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions
D)
Also, he may get less playing time than ever. Don’t f*@( with RW
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 29, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
scratched
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 29, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
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