Leafs Go Trade Crazy - The Media Reaction
by Mattblack on Jan 31, 2010 7:41 PM EST
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PrintJust as I was posting the FTB earlier this afternoon, I saw something in my Twitter feed, to wit:
Source tells me "major changes" coming today for the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Via DarrenDreger on Twitter, Sun 31 Jan 13:53
And my first thought was, 'Eff me, they're going to sack Wilson'. Oh ye (well, ME) of little faith....
Something enormous is about to go down. Working on it
Via DarrenDreger on Twitter, Sun 31 Jan 16:08
But what could the sharp harp have in store for us?
First of all came the block buster. Matt Stajan, Ian White, Nik Hagman and Jamal Mayers for Dion Phaneuf, Fredrik Sjostrom and Keith Aulie. Let's take a look at what the fourth estate are saying about this doozy.
Your first thought, upon hearing the news that the Calgary Flames traded Dion Phaneuf to the Toronto Maple Leafs in a blockbuster seven-player trade, was probably the same as mine: When did Flames general manager Darryl Sutter start channeling one of his greatly unlamented predecessors, Doug Risebrough? As anyone who’s watched him play this year realizes, Phaneuf remains a decided work in progress...A succession of coaches has tried to play Phaneuf with a succession of partners, with limited success...Still, the operative point about Phaneuf is that he was a Calder trophy contender; was a Norris trophy contender and theoretically could be that again. Who, among the players coming Calgary’s way, fits that bill?
Great! Strike up the band! Break out the tickertape! But wait....
On one hand Burke appears to have brightened his team's future by bringing to town a young defenceman with a solid track record and massive potential. The flip side is Burke has invested heavily in two young players, Phil Kessel and Phaneuf, neither of whom has a reputation for being leaders. To build a team around these two represents a huge risk. Burke had better be sure he adds veteran leadership to his group moving forward.
Of course, it's wasn't just Phanuef heading east - what of the two other players heading our way, Sjostrom and Aulie?
Sjostrom is just baggage - he teases, but never pleases. Aulie is a huge 6-6 defenseman who will add size and strength to the blue line in several years.
Hmmm. Not unlike the Kessel trade, the jury is going to be out on this one for a good long while yet. I'm giving the last word on this one to Duhatschek:
Typically, any team that acquires a core player without giving up a comparable asset in return wins the deal hands down. Score this one heavily in Brian Burke’s favour.
Of course, the TNL brains trust weren't done for day at this point. Not by a long chalk. If, when you went to bed last night, someone whispered in your ear that Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake would no longer be suiting up in the Blue and White in less than 24 hours, you wouldn't have believed them - would you?
The Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired veteran goaltender Jean-Sebastien from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for netminder Vesa Toskala and veteran forward Jason Blake.
The deal reunites Giguere with his long-time goaltending coach Francois Allaire, as well as former GM Brian Burke.
The most valuable player of the 2003 Stanley Cup playoffs, Giguere needed to waive his no-trade clause in order for the deal to go through.
Rejoice, just rejoice at that news. You can even give TSN a pass for brutal misuse of the word 'netMINDER'
"Obviously I would have liked to stay in Anaheim," Giguere said. "When I re-signed here three years ago, I envisioned things going a little different. Saying that, I could see how they just signed re-signed Jonas, but even before that I could see that they were leaning toward Jonas.
"At 32 years old, I feel like I still have some hockey left in me. I wanted to try to get a chance to be a No. 1 goalie somewhere. I feel like in Anaheim that wasn’t going to happen. I’m glad that now I can get that chance again."
"We are pleased to add Jason and Vesa," Murray said. "Vesa will ge an opportunity to play behind Jonas Hiller and Jason brings veteran leadership and offense to our club."
Bob Murray has a terrific career in satire just waiting for him if the hockey thing doesn't work out....but where there are arrivals, there must be departures.With Toskala, Blake and Mayers gone, who'll perform the vital role of scapegoat now? Step forward one plucky Swede...
In trading away wingers Hagman, Stajan and Mayers, the Leafs suddenly find themselves thin up front. Burke said the forward positions would be likely filled by players currently not in the lineup (Rickard Wallin and John Mitchell) as well as with youngsters in the minors (Viktor Stalberg and Christian Hanson).
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Larry Brooks is reported the Leafs might be interested in trading for Ales Kotalik. Mentioned XLB possibly going the other way. Kotalik’s got 2 years at 3 mil per remaining on his contract. Thoughts?
That’s not that bad actually. Toronto still needs forward depth, so it makes sense. That being said, if XLB can bring a conditional mid-round draft pick, I’ll take the Leafs scouting brass to do their job.
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I read it at first as 2 years for $3 million. But $3 million per year gives me some pause.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
That being said, the Rags seem to have interest in Exelby for some reason. Kotalik plus a draft pick for Exelby, since Kotalik would serve as their salary dump would be a trade I can swallow.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
id rather get higgens than kotalik
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Dreger just tweeted
complications have grounded a trade involving the Rangers Kotalik. A deal with Calgary? Stay tuned…
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Kotalik for Mayers!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
the ny post is reporting he’s been traded, but it doesn’t say to who.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Another Calgary Deal?
Dreger:
Flames expected to deal Jokinen to the Rangers for Kotalik and Higgins or Gilroy. www.tsn.ca will have the details as they break
.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
If that happens I would think Higgins makes more sense for Calgary. Flames still have a lot of D and don’t really need Gilroy even though he’s pretty good. As for the Rangers… seems like a big and needless gamble on a player with a big name but little production to back it up.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
but both Higgins and Kotalik suck.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Higgins had some potential to be OK, maybe he still does.
Agreed on Kotalik, he is terrible.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Higgins has 14 points in 54 games and is -8.
In Tortorella’s offense-first system.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
HA!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
If Glen Sather gets out from under the Gomez, Higgins and Kotalik contracts in a 7 month span, he wins Executive of the Year without question.
Resident Capologist
Toskala Cap Counter - RIP
Until you look at his defense……
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
But if this trade goes through, can anyone doubt Sather from getting out of Redden just as well? Sather’s almost free to make another cap-binding illogical free agent signing soon!
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
I still can’t believe he got rid of Gomez.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
bob gainey is missing part of his brain
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
plus a pick…honestly i’d want a first, 3 million a year is alot of salary to eat.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
plus a pick…honestly i’d want a first
haha i think that’s a bit unrealistic for Exelby
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
a wee bit?
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
my searching has lead me to believe that Kotalik was origionally part of a Phaneuf to the rangers deal and thats why he was told he was getting traded
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
That makes Sutter sound even stupider.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
yeah, i base that conclusion on nothing but circumstantial evidence though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
works for Eklund
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
yeah, but i am trained in investigation, Eklund is trained in….well im not sure he is trained in anything
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
what is it you do Jared?
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
working on the cop thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
my brother in law
works for London City Police.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
nice, i know a few of the guys, they have a good crew
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
some of them are tools apparently
when they go out as the force they get totally drunk and start busting up restaurants because they think they’re gods gift to everything.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
sorry, i mean when the guys on the force go out on the town…
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
haha, yeah, you get that in any decent sized force though. always some power tripping assholes
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Burke also said the roster shakeup for the worst team in the Eastern Conference probably isn’t over.
“We’re still open for business,” Burke remarked. “We’re not done.”
This is going to be interesting…
Oh yeah... (fixed)
Burke also said the roster shakeup for the worst team in the Eastern Conference probably isn’t over.
“We’re still open for business,” Burke remarked. “We’re not done.”
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 31, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Bob McKenzie calls Ian White the best player in the deal.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
yeah but he also says Ian White is playing at 100% of his ability, and Phaneuf while slightly worse than White right now is playing at 70% max.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Um, how does that change what I wrote?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
you should’ve said:
Bob McKenzie calls Ian White the best player in the deal right now
that’s all I’m saying.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Didn’t mean to get your panties in a twist.
Perhaps people could just go read the link for themselves?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Well, at least I don’t have to worry about White getting a bloated contract he doesn’t deserve for being a fan favourite.
Anyway…. Hagman and Stajan were expendable. I’m glad we go Phaneuf out of the deal.
It’s interesting isn’t it? Burke builds from the defence out, and he likes big defencemen. It shouldn’t have been that surprising that he’d trade White for something. I’d have preferred picks, but them’s the breaks. Phaneuf seems like a nice addition.
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
From Puck Daddy
On seventh day, Brian Burke did not rest.
Amen.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2010 7:59 PM EST reply actions
We're still open...
Awesome. I’ve got real reasons to be excited this time, too.
Wish I could figure this Twitter thing out. Seems pretty cool but confusing as hell. I’m sparow13x since somebody stole mah name
Boo hoo!
i tried to make the Giggy toskala one and the ducks wouldnt go for it!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Remarkably
I made similar deals on NHL 10, but it was well after my Leafs made it to the Cup Finals and lost.
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 31, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t it funny how much our players suck, until we trade them to another team and the media praises them. How many times did you hear anything postive about Stajan and Hagman like we are today.
and suddenly Phaneuf is the worst player ever
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Most of the things I’m reading are uniformly positive, almost too much, about Dion Phaneuf.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
im reading stuff by flames fans on, admittedly, suspect places like Hfboards etc
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve basically read the media’s take. Seems like Stajan is good enough to be Flames number 1 centre, but not ours.
hagman is a perfect second line winger for ollie eyebrows too!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Vancouver fans filled the comments with complaints, it’s going to take days to fee up the servers for more user commentary on anything.
"I will take the subway - we were on the subway last night...I'm not above riding the subway or riding on a bus, I don't care. As long as people don't hit me." --Ron Wilson
Cox isn’t entirely incorrect though. McCabe, at one time or another, was one of the NHL’s top offensive d-men who had suspect defensive skills when the NHL banned all his patented moves.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
yeah, there are some similarities for sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Cox also brought up a lot of the concerns that were brought up in the comments here and then basically said: It doesn’t matter. Leafs win.
I was stunned.
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I see a load of similarities between McCabe and Phaneuf.
I think people forget how great a player McCabe was for a few years: 4th in Norris voting, 2nd team all-star, Team Canada taxis squad, scored 50 goals over three seasons and was close to a PPG player in 2005-06.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
what do you think of gigure?
will he better with a change of scenery or will the media pressure be too much for cuz as you know the media in anaheim is not the media in toronto.
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think Giguere is done. He’s put up bad numbers over two seasons now.
Hillier, playing behind the same team, has a sv% 16 points higher and a GAA that’s .4 lower than Giguere.
Next season, goalie gear gets downsized again, I can’t see that helping Giguere improve either.
Even with all of these knocks against him, he’s better than Toskala and gives the Leafs nominally better goaltending from their back-up.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Yup
Hopefully Phaneuf is young enough that the crew around him and the coaching staff and the shock of being moved can help him work on them.
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It’s a shame that McCabe is only remembered for the bad stuff.
To think of the the bounty the Leafs could have realized had JFJ traded him as a pending UFA.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
That’s what probably colours my memory the most. When I think McCabe I can just think of the bad parts because when I remember the good I recall that he could have brought a mint in if JFJ had any balls.
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if phaneuf projects no better than mccabe
then the leafs lose this, hard, because we’re going to be paying Phaneuf $6.5M (more than mccabe ever got) for 4+ more seasons.
I have a hard time seeing how Phaneuf can ever be a “value” at that contract but maybe. I’m encouraged by the fact that dmen peak a lot later. I mean, 10 years ago Chara was a throw-in in the Yashin deal.
Now he’s the best in the league
i dont think Phaneuf will ever live up to the billing price, but he is still big, mean, physical, fast and he has an absolute bomb from the point
he’ll be fine
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Peak McCabe was pretty good.
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I wonder if today
is a record for PPP posts on a Sunday?
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 31, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions
By a mile
Normally we only have the FTB and a game recap.
Record for traffic too.
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with these two trades coming down today.
possibility for a Ron Wilson firing by tomorrow?
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
but i cant stand ron wilson
every since his days in DC with the caps after they got swept by the wings then in san jose when he was a horrible coach in the post-season. thats all
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
heh
Well, he can only do so much. That Caps team had no business making the final to be honest.
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well that true
you see im a small percentage cap fan and happy to see them make it that year. but come what has he done with the leafs execpt put kessel on blast bout not going hard in games.
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know Wilson's negatives get glossed alot here
but he has: helped made Kulemin into a steady forward, gave White a prominent role, his benchings have had a positive effect (Hagman, Blake, Schenn, Stajan, etc.)
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 31, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
but do you think he can lead us to a cup?
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm no
prognosticator of the future, but you never kn ow.
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 31, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not with the lineup he had to work with. Let’s let the shakeup work itself out and then see how we feel about him. There is much to be done!
Loving Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 31, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
He'll lead us
into getting knocked off in the second round for a few years… for sure…
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
The earliest I could see him getting fired is next Christmas.
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You really do need to set-up an SPG equivalent so we can wager on RW’s date of departure.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Trade deadline day. Burke makes some deals, and if he’s ever going to fire Wilson, that might be the best day. Either that or day after the season is over.
We require, as a team, proper levels of pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence.
by Belligerent Burkie on Jan 31, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
so basically after team usa gets destroyed by canada which i hope doesnt happen but i think will
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
they do have the youngest team, and we had torts to be the coach and who did burke choose, his lackey wilson.
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Tortorella is a terrible coach.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
do u see how he is doing with the rangers. i would rather have him then pat quinn or tom renney
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
You mean losers of 5 straight; 1 loss away from the draft lottery; can’t score with Marian Gaborik or win with Henrik Lundqvist? Do you mean those Rangers?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
yeah thoese rangers, who fired renney in the middle of last season then went on a run to get in the postseason just to get beat by the caps
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
The team with Redden and Roszival? Those Rangers?
We require, as a team, proper levels of pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence.
by Belligerent Burkie on Feb 1, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson was hired by Fletcher in June of 08. Burke didn’t come to TO until the end of November. That’s some kind of revisionist history we’re talking about now…?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
ARE YOU SHITTING ME
WITH THESE TRADES!?!
BYAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
So Handsome.
by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Are you shitting me? This needs to be photoshopped so it’s Dean and Wozniewski.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
WEREGONNAGETPHANEUFANDTHENTRADETOSKALAANDBLAKEFORGIGGYBEEEEYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Amazing to think it was the Dems who leaked that tape. Nothing like internecine warfare.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I heard that in Howard Dean’s voice, magic.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
ANDTHENWEREGONNAWINTHEDIVISIONANDTHENTHECONFERENCEANDTHENTHECUPBYAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
ANDWE’RETAKINGTHECUPTOCVANCOUVERANDCALGARYANDEDMONTONANDOTTAWAANDMONTREALQUEBECBYAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"
AIIIIIIII-EEEEEEEEEEE!!
So Handsome.
yeah you guys should hire him to do the pressers cuz buirke his a pr borefest
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not only are we going to get Phaneuf, Sjostrom, and Aulie; Daryl Sutter, we’re only going to give you Niklas Hagman, Ian White, Matt Stajan, and Jamal Mayers. And we’re going to get Jean-Sebastien Giguere for Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake! And then we’re going to trade Tomas Kaberle for some poor slumps 1st rounder and then we’re back to the playoffs! YEAH!!!!!!!!
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
<3 you
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I heard about the Phaneuf deal
Flying back home from the Maritimes while I was in layover at- of all places- the Calgary Airport.
I can’t help but laugh at this face.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions
Did you run up and down the terminal declaring that Phaneuf was now a Leaf? Because you really should have.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
i would have spent the whole time looking for someone in a phaneuf jersey
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
20 minutes tops
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t have taken nearly that long.
Loving Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 31, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
high odds, they were crying
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
just follow the weeping
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
and the shakes
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't see any
But there was a Flames kiosk still selling a high number of Phaneuf jerseys.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I was at the Hitmen game today and the FanAttic already had their #3s on the 50% off rack. They sure didn’t believe in letting the grass grow under their feet.
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So what your saying is...
I’m not dreaming and all these deals really need happen?
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions
yah
but sadly the one where we traded poni and exelby and finger fo ovechkin was a dream
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
DAMNIT!
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
So confused by this
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Wilson once called Kessel and Blake “the sisters”.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
huh… I do not remember that at all
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Captain?
Does anyone think Phaneuf can fill this role down the road?
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by Another Good Kingston Boy on Jan 31, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions
no
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
if he fits in well and performs like he can, then yes. But it might be Komisarek first
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Survey says.....
X
Three strikes.
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Nope
Not from what I’ve read.
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Captain?
Of what? His sailboat? Oh good Lord, no.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amazing thing from the national press
Is they are focussing on the Phaneuf trade as the great one for the Leafs and the Giggy deal as a side note.
If the Leafs dump Finger in the minors, resign RFAs Kulemin, Mitchell, Hanson and Mitchell at 10% raises, sign Gustavsson for $2MM and put someone like Mikjus in as #7D, they’ll have almost $8MM in cap space needing to sign only 2 forwards. This could be interesting.
That doesn’t include bonuses but Cap Geek doesn’t include them in calculating cap space.
Bruce Arthur’s piece at the NP is good.
Found this quote interesting:
“This is where it all is,” Blake said. "It’s not easy playing here. It’s a great organization, great fans, but there’s a lot of pressure. And it can get to you..
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Blake gets really criticized, but he never ever once complained about his role on this team. I have a lot of respect for him, despite many instances where he could have snapped at the pressure and lashed out in the media.
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but now the yakkity sax sound clip i have lined up for when he skates around the offensive zone will go to waste!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
thats the good stuff
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Blake
233 games prior to joining the Leafs: 90 goals
216 games with the Leafs: 50 goals
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I never said the criticism wasn’t justified. :P
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Ya, he was just calling him a stand up individual. His hockey was crap.
In the Name of the Holy Truculence
We sort of fault him for finding that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. At half the cost, his results are good
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
man, I am watching the interview with him, he thanks the fans for being exceptional, I feel kinda bad now.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
meh
it’s just that Blake thanked us when, frankly, none of us wanted him for so long.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
also
I have a feeling that Stajan was one of the players who still maintained the country club atmosphere.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
He was a great guy, a great story too with dealing with cancer. But you gotta remember, when we were bashing him, it was his skills and contract, not him.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
I distinctly remember bashing him for his go-to move: The Hampster shoot-at-chest special.
Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite Jason Blake moment was during last year’s game at Long Island, where Chemmy and I were at the game on the glass and I called Blake’s spinorama in the shootout that the Leafs won.
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mine was that first game we played against Carolina with Paul Maurice as coach when he had a hattrick.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
mine was when he packed his bags and said goodbye.
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by mf37 on Jan 31, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
haha
ouch, harsh.
I have no favourite Stajan moment. Except for maybe his eye injury due to the soccer ball.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I got his autograph once. At a marlies game, he had a harem of PR ladies.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Mine was at a Coldplay concert. Seems rather appropriate he was there at the behest of a woman.
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I am unfamiliar with this story…
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I usually got away with not elaborating the story because that means I would admit to being at a Coldplay concert myself.
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hahahaha
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
CBA expires in 2011. Teams will have to account for bonuses in their salaries next year.
If you factor them in, the Leafs have $13,960,000 to sign 10 players (1G, 9F) or $1.396 per guy.
Have to think Finger is gone by waivers or trade.
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yeah, he’s got to be next. He’s holding too much cap from being used effectively. Buyout seems plausible too, just most unlikely
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
AHL time for him.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I’ll see it before I believe it.
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yeah. doing it will make Burke prove that there is accountability
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t imagine trading him, but I couldn’t imagine trading Toskala or Blake.
Either way, if they’re serious about next year he can’t be on the cap.
by The '67 Sound on Jan 31, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Avg cap space per player...
With Finger: $13,960,000 or $1.396M/per player (10)
Without Finger: $17,460,000 or $1.587/per player (11)
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She’s much less appetizing post-Sean Avery, IMO.
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
same
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, I would too
I’d just double wrap that s*** first
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
And
She looks better in a bikini than you or I. Sorry.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Right
So my whole game plan would be to get her to bear my seed and leech off her millions of dollars and child support payments.
So Handsome.
Then you could get business cards that state
“Arch – Manwhore”
That would be sweet
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 1, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
whos betting looking?
Cuthbert or Carrie Underwood? isnt underwood dating that horrible sens player mike fisher.
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
not only dating, they’re engaged now.
Yes, the Ottawa media Fisherwood watch is in full swing! blerg…
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that makes her insane cuz he aint worth, she dated tony romo whop then dated jessica simpson so that tells u something right ther
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I am having a lot of trouble warming up to him.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
a lot of us still have issues with Komi
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I did at first too. But then he looked so excited to be a Leaf and I gave him a pass.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
If Dion turns his game around, hopefully slapping Kaberle saucer passes into the net, then I think he could win us over
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Sept. 22, 2009
Lifting Staal up onto his skates just so he could give him a proper pummeling = the very instant I welcomed Komikaze into my heart as someone fit to wear the blue & white.
Also, let’s all laugh at Edmonton: 1 win in their past 21 games, and then their most tradeable asset breaks his hand last night. In a fight with Jerome Iginla. HAH.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:31 PM EST reply actions
that is pretty hilarious
poor mighty quinn though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
As I said last night, Edmonton is a real disaster right now. Up until this morning, I said the Oilers are shockingly close to the Leafs in terms of team makeup. Not anymore!
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Poor Oilers, they’d have trouble winning in the AHL these days.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
There are many who are holding the Oilers first round pick over the Leafs’ head. Have they not seen the Oilers drafting history over the last decade and a half?
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Apparently not… either they are just flat out making bad picks or their development system is terrible. Probably a little of both, actually.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
The Oilers have a new(ish) head scout. Lowetide blogs about their scouting and development system with great regularity. It’s always worth a read.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I missed Coaches Corner last night and am watching it now on cbc.ca. I can handle Don’s bigotry and closed-mindedness, but Shakespeare? He’s been hanging around Ron for too long.
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by Another Good Kingston Boy on Jan 31, 2010 9:37 PM EST reply actions
FUNNY STORY ABOUT LAST NIGHTS GAME:
VESA TOSKALA WAS IN IT
AS WAS JASON BLAKE
AND MATT STAJAN
AND JAMAL MAYERS.
So Handsome.
bahahahah
just when i think the day cant get better a sens fan entertains me by saying this
Joe Mama
Don’t kid yourself fellas, Murray was never after Kadri. It was Cowen the whole time, and Murray used the the bate and switch to perfection.
Burkey was so angry over losing Schenn, he never saw what was right in front of him. Kadri IS good, Cowen WILL BE great…
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions
Great like how it was at the world jrs? Or how he has been a large letdown with Spokane this year?
Yep all according to plan alright.
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i like the part about how Murray pulled the wool over burkes eyes and that he was so angry to lose schenn
i mean does anyone think burke was shocked that a player ranked higher than 7th was picked higher than 7th?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did he watch the World Juniors?
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
obviously not
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
im not even gonna correct him, i think its hilarious that he is wallowing in that poorly formed delusion
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
life and it’s simple mercies. Time will give him the answer. In due course
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 31, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
By Bate and Switch he means: getting bitch slapped on live television?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you Jared Cowen: Your first 2009 NHL Entry Draft bust.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is fucking hilarious! I love how stupid most Snes fans are!
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yeah, i mean look they love wade redden then he leaves and he some horse dung in new york
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
without the terrible knee injury or, you know, just being terrible!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Aulie also comes from a crappy farm system, so let’s hold off the Aulie expectations for now. That being said, Cowen smells like doo-doo. Am I doing it right?
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very very very little
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea
If you had said yesterday
“What will Toskala and Blake as a package get us?”
I would have answered “Laughed at.”
So Handsome.
by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
I have no idea what to expect, but I am hopeful I’ll be surprised.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
the moral of the story is keep expectations low and you will on occasion be pleasantly surprised
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I really can’t see anything more than a 4th or 5th round pick, to be honest.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
nor i
but then i said the EXACT same thing about toskala
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
AND WE GOT FUCKING GIGUERE
So Handsome.
by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
which will mean nothing if he doesnt lead then into the playoffs. i wll say johan gets more pt then he does
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’d have preferred a 5th round pick. They don’t carry a $6M cap hit.
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yeah, but now we have a goalie
maybe
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
wha? Giguere is done.
Don’t make me go all Chemmy on Toskala here. Just look at Giguere’s last two seasons of play: below average sv%; increasing GAA; increasing differentials between his play and Hillier’s (behind the same team) and just 16 wins in his last 49 starts.
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YOU WILL NOT RUIN THIS FOR ME!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah a goalie’s who last had a great year in 03, then couldnt beat out hiller, i bet you thought raycroft was a great goalie too.
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
his last great year in 03?
really he was pretty good 2 years ago
and Hiller is not exactly a slouch
he is better than toskala
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not being a smartass here Jared, do you really think Giguere is an answer for the leafs goaltending issues?
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i think he does. i bet he thought martin gerber was answer too
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
where is this smart assery coming from?
did Lebrun tell you Giggy was done?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
funny!!! no but he has much more pressure now then he had in america
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, im sure he never felt pressure in the cup finals both times he was there
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
no i understand bout the cup finals but hockey is covered 24/7 in canada and not in anaheim ca.
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pressure?!?
The rest season is a write off. It’s like a run of 32 exhibition games.
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Alright
Simmer down skins.
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haha, no, im thinking he is better than toskala and wont be half bad in a tandum and mentor to Gus
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll provide nominally below average goaltending, eat up an enormous part of the cap and be gone.
I’d rather have a low pick and the cap space, but considering the deal got rid of Blake and Toskala, I won’t complalin.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
this club will get more value out of giguere at $6M than it would have out of blake at $4M. end of story.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Would love to know the math on that calculation.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Add in a starting goalie’s average salary to that deal and it makes sense. Especially with 1 year on Giggy’s contract compared to 2 for Blake.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Still waiting to see math.
Extra marks for showing your work.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
if giguere’s even an average tender next year, that’s worth $4M at least, given how much goalies in this league make. still overpaid, but not as overpaid as a $4m 3rd-line plug like Blake.
add in the potential ‘mentoring’ of Gus and the fact that it’s only a 1-year contract, and i think it’s a pretty clear win.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
sorry, didn’t show math:
giguere earns $4m of $6M contract = $2M in lost value for the leafs.
blake earns $1M of $4M contract = $3M in lost value for the leafs.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Giguere hasn’t been an “average” goaltender for 2 years.
38th sv% in 2008-09 and 37th in 2009-10. Why would he be “avearage” next year?
Blake was a 25 goal scorer last year, good for 63 points. To sign a player in that point spectrum as a UFA it would cost about $4M.
I don’t see the value in Giguere, nor do I see Blake only being worth $1M.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
i am still tying Giggy to the hope balloon that was Cujo and Belfour, two other “washed up” vet goalies that came to the Leafs
and will continue to hold onto that dream till it lays shattered on the floor!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
So I’m assuming you’re not giving Giguere a mulligan for last season due to his extenuating circumstances, right?
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If he had bounced back this year, he might get a mulligan, but he’s almost statistically identical.
And (broken record alert) goalie gear gets downsized again next year. Giguere has more gear than a GWAR show.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
the leafs could find about 20 guys to play on the 3rd line for $1M and be as effective as blake has been this year.
and yes, blake was decent last year. if that’s relevant, than so is giggy’s .922 sv% 2 years ago.
he’s had problems with his kid, then his dad died, and he’s only been given a handful of starts this year. i have more reason to believe in giguere than i do in jason fucking blake.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Look, I’m no fan of Blake and I’m thrilled that he’s gone.
But to claim there are 20 guys available for a $1M that could replace him?
I’d love it if the Leafs could find a guy 2 to 3 guys on pace to net 17 goals for $1M.
And Giguere ain’t bouncing back. He’s put up a long string of bad numbers over two seasons, gear is getting smaller, and he’s about to play for the Leafs, who are always good for a .15 to .25 dip in sv%.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
time will tell. but i feel marginally better about our goaltending than just having monster next year. we may have been able to sign a cheaper goalie who’s just as mediocre as giggy, but then we’d still have blake, too.
20 may have been hyperbole (ok, it was) but the role blake’s currently filling could be replaced with a much cheaper contract.
i think i’m just baffled that anyone could be negative about a trade that gets jason blake off the team.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I’m not negative about the trade, I just have zero expectations for Giguere.
He’s a nominal upgrade over Toskala, albeit at 1.5x the cap hit.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I don’t know that there’s much else I’d rather spend our cap space on next year than an upgrade over Toskala.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Joey Mac at $950K was an upgrade over Toskala (and $3.05M cheaper against the cap)
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
So what you’re saying is it’d be impossible for him to disappoint you?
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I’d be disappointed with a sv% below .895, especially at that cap hit.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
First of all, how is Joey Mac any more than maybe a 0.01% upgrade over Toskala? He sucked when he was up.
Also, we have enough 2nd line guys who can score 20ish goals for a lot less than 4mil…
Sure, Giggy will hit us with 6mil next year, but writing him off as washed up is ridiculous. He’s not raycroft, who had ONE good year and sucked, this guy was a dominant goalie for several years. I’d take his 6mil cap hit for 1 year over Blakes 4mil for 2 years any day… not to mention we are now Toskalol free.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
First of all, how is Joey Mac any more than maybe a 0.01% upgrade over Toskala? He sucked when he was up.
Vesa Toskala’s sv%.874
Joey MacDonald’s sv%.892
Toskala cap hit: $4M
MacDonald cap hit: $0.95M
Sure, Giggy will hit us with 6mil next year, but writing him off as washed up is ridiculous.
That was an argument many made about Toskala.
Let’s look at Giguere’s tale-of-the-tape.
Over the past two seasons Giguere has posted the 38th and 37th best sv%.
He has 16 wins in his last 49 starts.
Next year equipment gets smaller.
He’s the 5th highest paid goalie in the NHL and all the arrows are pointing in the wrong direction.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
that’s why it’s a good thing he’s off the books next year. We just need a semi-competant year of goaltending from him and mentorship for Gustavsson, and we’re OK. We couldn’t get either from Toskala, either for the rest of this season or next.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
mf, I’m not trying to be a douche, I just think that you should give Giguere a chance. Honestly, he’s won a Con Smyth and a Cup. He’s been through a lot of personal problems, and he lost the goalie coach who make him who he is.
Maybe with Allaire, a new environment, and a team that allows less shots a game than the Ducks, he can do well. Either way, he is a veteran who can mentor the Monster and is an upgrade on Tosk AND/OR Joey Joe Joe.
Also, take into account the weak FA class this summer, and the 6mil cap hit we take next year is a good trade-off for the 4 mil we save in 11-12 by unloading blake.
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MF37’s point is the same one Chemmy and I made this summer about Toskala.
We can HOPE that he’ll bounce back and be better than below average with a fresh start but all signs point to no.
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yeah, but at least he isnt coming off of surgury and once was a certifiable number one cup winning goaler
unlike toskala
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not trying to be a douche either, but Giguere is left-over spare parts.
If you put any hope in his resurgence, odds are you’ll be disappointed.
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i hope he is better than toskala, that is all
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
A shooter tutor would be better than Toskala, but he’s still a pretty meh ’keeper.
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i am satisfied then
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
as am I
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I just like being optomistic about my Leafs. At least Giggy seems like a good guy with some class, whereas Toskala probably thinks that invading Russia is a good idea.
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Here’s not being a douche…
we aren’t going anywhere next year and trading Blake with 2 more years at a cap hit of 4 million gives us a chance to upgrade after next season (when Giggy comes off the cap hit) Also, my left asscheek is better in nets than Toskala – Giggy won’t be great, but we didn’t trade for him to be great – we traded for him to suck less than Toskala and get rid of that boat oar of a Blake contract.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 1, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
LA LA LA LA LA
FINGERS IN MY EARS
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by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff has a brother?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
well I think Toskala was filler, the Ducks needed a back up if they were giving up Giguere before the summer. Maybe they actually wanted Blake.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
really the islanders didnt want blake so why would the ducks want blake at this point in his career. how old he anyway mid 30
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
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so he has maybe 2 good years left in him. good trade, toskala was a bust anyway, he got no playing time in san jose and came here with the hype and totally screwed up his future
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Another person brought this up, but I think it makes sense if Burke offered to take Giguere off Anaheim’s hand by giving them a choice: either give us a first round pick or take Blake’s contract.
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and seeing as how their 1st this year will be a good one, taking on Blake makes sense for them long term
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they have Philly’s first as well.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I speculated this too yesterday (not on here.. too busy dancing a happy dance)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 1, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
going with my old standby
Not a single pick due to the NHL draft being shortened to 7 rounds in 2005.
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Whoa
@DarrenDreger Flames expected to deal Jokinen to the Rangers for Kotalik and Higgins or Gilroy. www.tsn.ca will have the details as they break.
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That’s a strange salary dump.
Jokinen’s a pending UFA at $5.25M
Kotalik is $3M/yr through 2012.
Gilroy head a great start…
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If Sutter picks Higgins he should be fired on the spot.
Why are all these GMs helping Sather out of his cap crunch mess? First Gainey, now maybe Sutter.
I’d do that deal just to land Gilroy. It’s not like Jokinen is going to net much at the trade deadline.
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What I want to know is, how does replacing Jokinen with Kotalik and Gilroy/Higgins make the Flames better for the post season? Unless Sutter has already conceded the playoffs……
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I’m guessing he already knows Jokinen isn’t built for the playoffs even if he got them there, but at least Kotalik has had some measure of success with the Oilers beforehand. And Gilroy has to be the prize. Higgins just doesn’t compare, right?
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no Gilroy
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Either way, there seems to be a contest of oneupmanship out West on who can be worse over their tenure. Lowe set the bar real low, but Sutter is that underdog everyone is rooting for in the surprise disaster hit, “PS, I hate you Calgary Flames”
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If Calgary had to deal with the Toronto media there would be a shitstorm of epic proportions.
The Flames gave up a first to get Jokinen and now it’s rumoured he’s heading out of town for Kotalik and Higgins? Yikes.
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the only thing left to go wrong would be iginla demanding a trade
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, so the Flames would have lost Jokinen to free agency and been rid of his $5.25M contract. Instead they get Kotalik’s hit of $3M (which is terrible because he sucks) for the next two years and Higgins for the rest of the year at $2.25M.
Whereas the Rangers effectively free up $5.25M in cap space for this upcoming free agency.
How does this deal make any sense for the Flames? Why would Sutter agree to this?
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now it's Jokinen and Prust for Kotalik and Higgins....
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what the hell is going on out west?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Funny, Jokinen was traded for Prust about a year ago. Now they’re being traded together.
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not sure
someone just suggested to me that the flames are trying to get cap space, so i wouldn’t be surprised if this is so that they can get kovalchuk…
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No, they actually take on salary in this deal because Kotalik has 2 years left at $3M whereas Jokinen in set to be a UFA.
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interesting…..
i have my twitter open waiting for updates still…
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I’ve heard grumblings from a couple of people out West that the locker room in Calgary had a lot of tension.
I know Jokinen was labeled as trouble in Phoenix and who knows about Phaneuf.
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by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
i've heard the rumour too
first i heard about it was today though, people were tossing around the idea was it was phaneuf….
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I find it highly unlikely that Phaneuf would sit idly and quitely as he went from a go-to, #1 “Defenceman of the Future” to sitting 4th on the chart below Bouwmeester and Regehr
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by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
tsn is now saying that the flames and rangers are expected to make the official announcement tonight...
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I’m waiting for it before I laugh too much.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Where are the piano bars in Toronto?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDc2mnS48ng
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by Another Good Kingston Boy on Jan 31, 2010 10:15 PM EST reply actions
he does rock too.
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by Another Good Kingston Boy on Jan 31, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
what bout komi? i think he is forgotten in all of this
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
i believe he is finished in toronto already. would u consider him a bust?
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
You tell me, do you think 28 games is enough to decide a player’s time is done and the signing a bust?
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yes, i am wrong to think that. he was a much better suit with the habs
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
why do you think he is finnished? because he is hurt?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
because he hasnt produced up to the expectaions of his lofty contract that burke gave him. too me if you dont live up to the money right away u r a bust
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
thems some lofty expectations you have there
you cannot possibly expect a defense first player to look like he is worth 5 million bucks on a team as bad as the leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
That`s asinine.
5 year contract, and you want to write him off after half a season of injuries and a terrible team around him?
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well fine i will give him till next year. how long did we give blake till we shipped his ass out of here
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
totally different players and circumstances
blake was brought in being billed as a 40 goal scorer because our GM didnt know to look farther back than a year
Komi was brought in to be a total shut down defenseman, which he is doing quite well (when not on the shelf)
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
well then, maybe thats my problem cuz i have to watch a team like the caps suffer through injuries on the defense
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
yes, i mean what has he done of importance for the leafs, except suck in my opinion
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
He has the best GAON/60 on the Leafs D. At 1.88 he’s in some pretty good company.
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Komi had a rough start, but after he came back from his first injury he was a defensive rock and the Leafs went from just kinda bad to totally horrible guarenteed lotto pick bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
cont
after he got hurt the second time
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
but do you consider him a top d- pairing now that they have phanuef
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say they need him even more given Phaneuf’s penchant for brain cramps.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
first PK for sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
ok if you could would you take hal gill, zedano chara or komi?
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
why did you pick those 3 names?
Chara will be the answer every time, but he also makes 2 million more a season than Komi.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
Why not throw Lidstrom in there?
Hey guys:
Would you rather have Weber, Keith, Lidstrom, Chara, or Komisarek?
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by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Is the answer Jesus?
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lets not bring cary price into this
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
uh…..you just picked 3 VERY different defenseman
a giant lumbering pylon who was no good for anything except blocking passing lanes
arguably the best defenseman in the NHL
and a very good Defensive defenseman
of course chara
who would you have Phallson, Crosby or kotalik?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
crosby hands down, but if you add ovie in that mix i take ovie 100%
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
the point, you missed it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Phallson?
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Sammy Phallus, what ever the fuck his name is
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Pahlsson.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, thats the ticket
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
hah, you said phallus
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it means penis!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
could you pair kaberale and komi up which is a damn good pairing than phaneuf and kaberale
by Skins4ever on Jan 31, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberale
so smooth, makes a cross palate sip like you wouldnt believe
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS
TYLER MYERS!!!!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 1, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, because he will still play most of his shifts against other teams’ top lines.
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Yeah, Komi is the 1st shutdown pairing with either Schenn or Beauchemin. Phaneuf is going to be on the scoring pairing with Kaberle.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I’m too scared of being scored against with Phaneuf and Kaberle on the ice. I say it’s Komi Kaberle and Beauchemin Phaneuf.
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
beauch pinching with Phaneuf scares the poop out of me
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
he’s been a lot better about that lately…
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think I’d test Komi Phaneuf, and put Beauch with Kaberle, in attempts at limiting Kaberle’s 5 on 5 time. Play him the whole PP.
id like to keep schenn and Gunnar together
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Komi/Phaneuf
That’s a “Not to be fucked with” pair of individuals
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by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Minutes breakdown in my mind
Phaneuf’s 27 or so: ES and PP
Komi 20 of so: ES and PK
Kaberle: 20 or so: ES and all the PP
Beauch: 20: ES, remainder of PP when Phaneuf comes off, PK
Schenn: 16.5: ES, PK
Gunnar, 16.5: ES, remaining PP and PK.
I like the French Connection of Beauch and Phaneuf. Beauch to play totally defensively like he did in Anaheim. Total stay at home d-man to make up for Dion’s mistakes which I hope will almost never happen.
Kaberle and Komi.
Schenn and Gunner eating up a few less minutes. Dubious last pair (for now) but I like it.
by Pyramid Power on Feb 1, 2010 4:26 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry if this has been said already...
But to me the biggest addition of the day has been the subtraction of Blake and Toskala. I never believed for a second that any team would take either of those two, let alone both of them.
It’s all about getting rid of Blake. Toskala was already gone come July 1st, but Blake was a $4M plague for the next two seasons.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
True, Toskala was going to be gone anyway, but this is like Christmas coming 5 months early, and getting a gift from a rich uncle you didn’t know you had.
If you wanted Toskala gone that bad, you should have just told me and I would have run him over with my car.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
after you screwed up the Brandon Witt job we decided to go in a different direction
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
how was I supposed to know that he was half Cromagnon man and thus impervious to SUVs?
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shoulda used the suburban, more rolling mass
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
CANYONERO
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
toyotas suck for taking out pedestrians
the japanese build things with the safty of walkers in mind, you want spatter, you go american
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
That is exactly how I felt. Christmas came in July. Or in this case in February. “……who’ll perform the vital role of scapegoat now? Step forward some plucky Swede.” WAY too funny. It’s finally sunk in – Toskalol and Shake ’n Blake are gone forever. Thank you Brian Burke. You are a golden god. And Wallin will be gone in about 70 days.
by Pyramid Power on Feb 1, 2010 3:44 AM EST up reply actions
woah
the calgary/new york trade might not happen just yet….
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Heh
Like Dreger’s understated tweet response:
Trade call is unlikely tonight. Sounds like the Flames are holding this deal up. Working on why.
Oh, I don’t know…’cause it sucks?
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over at matchsticks and gasoline, they’re all guessing that calgary is making sure that if they make this trade then they can use all these guys for getting kovalchuk….
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so….Stajan, Hagman, Mayers, Kotalik and higgens for Kovalchuck?
say what>?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Kotalik’s GFON/60 – 1.45
Kotalik’s GAON/60 – 3.42
That’s so horrifyingly bad.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jan 31, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
That is an UGLY differential.
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For sure. Of the guys who’ve played 20 games this year at 10 minutes/game, the worst differentials go in this order:
Witt
R Nilsson
Kotalik
Horcoff
O’Sullivan
Mara
Park
Larose
JEFF FINGER
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jan 31, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I really wanted the Leafs to sign Jeff Finger. He had great stats as a pending UFA. I figured the Leafs could land him for around $1.5M…
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even at 2 he wouldnt be bad at all
but 3.5…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Please let this work
that’s all i have to say. There is obviously huge risk in what went down today, but huge reward.
Brian Burke has either gotten a top-flight goalie AND a Norris calibre defenseman, or he has once again gotten impatient and swung for the fences.
you dont hit home runs when you go for a bunt
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
six singles in a row
is better than a home run.
honestly, after this shitshow of a year, i need reason for hope.
you dont make the highlight real with singles!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Unless!
I’m cutting the hilites and turn it into a single montage!
Sorry… I’m at work and this is my lame attempt at ‘work humour’
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by Archimedies on Jan 31, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
sexy singles!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
true
but to get anything.. anything at all, for Toskala and Blake? It’s a miracle. Giguere’s got one more year on his contract, so he’s low risk. If he gets back into form, great. If not, he can be let go.
As for the Phaneuf deal:
-Mayers was worth nothing, so he’s expendable
-Stajan was a UFA so he’s expendable as a rental. He’s a 3rd line centre who can be replaced on the free agent market. He’s not good enough to fit into the top-six of the “top-six bottom-six model”.
So it’s really Phaneuf + defensive prospect for White and Hagman. Risky, yes. But Hagman wasn’t going to get any better. White, as I’ve said before, probably felt the “fan favourite” winds blowing his way and I feel he would have pushed for an embarassing 4.5 mil a year contract with a NTC. I’ve also felt he’s at the peak of his potential. Plus, he never fit into Burke’s Big Burly Befenseman (sorry) model of building a hockey team, whereas Phaneuf does (as does Noname Prospectman.)
The downside – now we REALLY have no scoring on this team. Hopefully those college kids develop.
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
SO.....
Who’s still on the roster that was on the team when Burke took over?
- Kaberle
- Poni
- Finger
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Stemps
Schenn
Kulemin
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I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Signed his first contract when Burke was GM.
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I almost said blake,
it hasnt sunk in that he is gone yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
haha
HE’S GONE!!!
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by Karina on Jan 31, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
its so weird to hear that out loud
yes i had to say it out loud
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 31, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Me and my roommate jumped up and down and hugged for 5 minutes when we heard Toskala was tarded.
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Or the Leafs season: either one works
hey now, he’s gone we dont have to make fun of him any more!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Toskala was tarded.
Freudian slip?
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
when we heard Toskala was tarded
That is the greatest spelling error in the history of this blog.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 1, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i say we keep poni
Let’s keep him around. Big guy, parks himself in front of the net, bangs pucks in. I think as long as he doesn’t ask for a ridiculous deal, he can be a good 2nd line forward.
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t park himself in front of the net enough.
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Geeez
That’s SO something Jack would say.
So Handsome.
by Archimedies on Feb 1, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he is so dreamy
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd!!!!
because of the awesome wit of this post. I actually laughed more than I have ever laughed at something on this blog…. legit… ever.
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Mirtle weighs in with fresh copy
His take on the numbers is here.
with 32 per cent of the cap dedicated to just Phaneuf, Giguere and Kessel next season, it’s going to be a tight squeeze to fit more top-six forwards into the mix
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I think this can be debunked by the fact that the term “top-six forward” is really really ridiculous and stupid.
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I think you need to look at the big picture. The Leafs have about $13M to sign 10 players. $1.3M per player doesn’t get you much talent and it won’t get the Leafs very far.
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But if you assume that maybe 4 or 5 of those guys will be rookies, making between 700 and 850k, you have a bit more than that for the other 5 or 6.
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Name four or five rookies the Leafs could conceivably roll out next year.
Don’t forget to include bonuses. Schenn makes nearly $3M when you fold those in. Bozak too.
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Stefanovich, D’Amigo, Kadri. There are three. Also consider guys like Deveaux or Ondrus who can cheaply fill 4th line spots.
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Only 1 of those maybe makes the team.
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This is the scary part though
If we are tight for cap space, maybe we have no choice but for all of them to make it.
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No, Kabs and Finger gone frees up $7.25M in cap space. The Leafs are in tight though, there’s no doubt about it.
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Stefanovich is a long-shot to make the NHL.
D’Amigo is a maybe.
Deveaux and Ondrus were spectacular failures at the NHL level.
Kadri’s cap hit is $1.75M – $450K higher than what the Leafs have per player.
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All I’m saying is that yeah, so 10 guys at 1.3 per, but probably 3 of those make somewhere in the 750-900k range, meaning we have a bit more. And even then, we would probably sign a few guys around 1 or 1.3-4, leaving room for another “top six forward”
Plus, we will be without either Finger or Kaberle, freeing up another 3.5-4.5 mil
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Even if you can get six guys at $1M (and that’s a tough go) that leaves $7M for your final 4, or $1.75M each. Nowhere near enough.
The Leafs have to purge more salaries. Giguere eating up $6M is a heavy price to pay to be rid of Blake.
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I totally agree
That we have to get rid of more salaries. Still, I stick to the idea that the 2 mil next year that we lose is worth the 4 mil we lose in 2011-12. And yeah, Phaneuf is a high price, but at least with him there is a chance of awesomeness.
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This could be Burke’s big chance to follow through on his threat. He won’t be burying Finger because he is punishing him but because he has to.
And Kaberle is gonzo. He has to be.
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Totally agree on both accounts, though without White or Stralman, who can replace Kabby as our puck mover/QB?
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Yeah, as long as we want our puck-mover to move the puck into turnover city.
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/i know that wasn’t very good, just too late/drunk to think of something clever that doesn’t involvec the obvious Elish Cuthbert reference.
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Dion and Gunnarsson
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
But neither of those guys are really puck-moving d-men. Gunnarson is more of a defensive guy with an offensive upside (that’s nowhere near White or Kabbys) and Phaneuf is known for making bad first passes. The only guy we have right now who would be passable as our #1 mover (besides kabby obviously) is beach, which is sad.
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The skill is spread across the group. No one passes as well as Kaberle but they all pass the puck well enough.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
but kaberle has a no trade clause correct? who would burke try to deal him to that he will wavie it for?
by Skins4ever on Feb 1, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
he said he will not ask kaberle to waive his NTC, it is kind of a huge deal that anyone who knows anything about the leafs would know.
did you just become a leafs fan like last week?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Boston pays 31% for Chara, Savard and Thomas
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
chara and thomas are better than giggy and phaneuf
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
understood, but it seems common in reference to amount spent on comparable players. Maybe we can swap?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Cap Geek says Leafs over cap
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 12:18 AM EST reply actions
Don’t forget IR for Komi and Kessel.
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And the fact that we will trade/waive Finger or Exelby tomorrow.
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Kessel saves about 920k. Komi is still unreferenced for IR
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Cap is calculated on a daily basis, Komi has been out for a while and should save some coin.
Same for all the games Toskala / Gustavsson missed and Joey Mac played.
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Well...
who cares, so we get penalized a draft pick, we give that shit away like halloween candy.
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So.
Stajan is on his way to a tryout as a number one centre out in Calgary with one of the best wingers in the game. If he racks up a point-per-game season, I’ll know why, but it’ll still piss me off. “Oh Stajan has just blossomed under the wing of Iggy” they’ll say. NO. He is Rico Fata, bouncing goals in off his ass, skating next to Jarome Iginla.
Should have made that clearer.
Rico Fata, for those who don’t remember, played with Lemieux, and probably stayed in the league a whole lot longer than anyone expected because he mysteriously found his game skating next to 66 for a brief period of time.
Sounds like it
He’ll get his shot with Iginla. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Burke only did this to make me happy
At least half the players on this team need to get the hell out of my life as soon as inhumanly possible.
Of those players, he’s top 3 on my ‘I hope you die’ scale.
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It’s a beautiful day, don’t let it get away. Intense partying. I can’t stop laughing and chuckling and chortling. BB – you are Da Man! Don’t stop now. Finger? Exelby? Keep on mowin’ em down. Blow this team up.
Keep Poni. Find a way to keep Kaberle. Counting down the 70 days ‘til Wallin is gone to Stockholm. Mitchell, meh. Beauch, Komi, Dion, Schenn, Gunner, Kess, Bozak, Stalberg, Rosehill (I love that man, not always sure why), Orr, Primeau, Gusty, Gettin’ Giggy with It.
And bring up Hanson and let us find out if he can skate and play with the big boys for the rest of this year. We had him up for five games last year – let’s see what he can do now. Let him get a few games in before the Olympic break and sit Wallin forever. I truly hope Rickard never has to play for us again, but I know that is probably wishful thinking. It’s all too beautiful.
I see Giggy and Phaneuf totally motivated and ready to roll and be all they can be – again.
Resurrection for Giggy.
Vindication and vengeance for Phaneuf.
They are going to be two VERY highly motivated dudes! I’d still like Gusty to start most of the games here on in to get a better picture of how he has progressed, but with a healthy helping of Giggy as needed.
I believe in this team again. Thank you Brian Burke!
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