Phaneuf in, Kabs out?

I demand nothing less than a fleecing, though! Phaneuf doesn’t pass or skate as smoothly as Kaberle (as far as I know), so we’re still set to lose an important part of our team if we trade Kabby.

1) Hardly. Phaneuf has 5 goals, 11 points on the powerplay this season. Kaberle has 21 points and is tied with Mike Green for most powerplay assists by a defenceman with 19. Phaneuf has a cannon for a shot while Kaberle is one of the league’s best set up men on the blueline. These are two puzzle pieces that fit together. It’s ridiculous to say that one is better then the other. Both of them will benefit by playing together. Your steering wheel isn’t better then your gas pedal.

2) Too much money invested on the blueline and yet Kaberle’s contract is the best value of the group. Finger’s is the worst, that’s the one they should get rid of.

4) This is poor analysis. He doesn’t suck at defence. Just isn’t true and it betrays your bias. You might as well just list “I hate Kaberle” as a reason why he should get traded. He has defensive shortcomings but he’s been no worse this year then any of the other Leafs’ defenders. Being able to strip mobile forwards of the puck, making excellent heads up first passes to clear the zone, making the safe play at the right time but knowing when to pull the trigger for a sudden counter-attack, and never ever ever panicking – are all attributes of somebody who doesn’t really suck very much at defence. Also, Kaberle doesn’t hit much, but what he does do, if you pay attention, when he catches a player with their head down, he swoops towards them like he’s going to hit them, then, when they notice him coming in their peripheral vision and hold up or freeze ‘cause they think they’re about to get hit, Kaberle instead simply strips them of the puck, like taking candy from a baby, and skates away in complete possession. They’re not getting the puck back and Kaberle’s about to make a perfect tape-to-tape transition pass. It doesn’t look as pretty as a big open ice hit, but it’s still a great play.

5) We could fleece a team with anybody. We just fleeced Anahiem with Blake and Toskala. BLAKE AND TOSKALA. If you really want to fleece somebody you don’t give up your most valuable asset, you give up your worst. Fleece somebody with Finger and Wallin.

Don’t let anymore tell you we do. Teams give up too much for top 6 forwards that are under team control at the deadline, we can and probably will wait until the offseason unless Kaberle is involved.

how about J. Staal for poni and kaberle

Phaneuf will knock XLB the fuck out and take back his No.3

But seriously, XLB is a goner, that’s for sure.

If the team is still junk with Kaberle on it (and I think this season has shown that, anyway) and next year is a big question mark in terms of our make-up, why hang on to the guy at the peak of his value to other teams?

Burke said throughout this mess that if his plan for the team at the beginning of the season didn’t work out then he’d try something else. The events of yesterday are definitely the beginning of that “something else” and with that in mind I think it would be unwise of the Leafs to worry about how they’re going to compete for the last 1/4 of the season and through next season.

Last summer Burke said he wanted Pronger-like compensation for Kabby. While I think that’s a little extreme, there’s no reason we couldn’t nab a young powerplay prospect plus a pick for Kaberle, much like Luca Sbisa was included in the Pronger deal that sent him to Philly. What would be much worse is keeping him a year, still being bad/mediocre, but seeing the return on Kabby wane.

Totally agree with this. Phaneuf is not a puck-mover. None of the Leafs’ D aside from Kaberle is a puck-mover. Unless we’re convinced Gunnarsson can play that role (and I’m not yet), or unless it’s a total fleecing, I’m very leery of trading Kaberle.

Kaberle + Phaneuf on the PP could be lethal.