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Barry Melrose

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I had a feeling that yesterday's game was not going to go well and that I'd probably be pretty ticked about it, so I let my mind wander towards who I'd choose for the LotD if I were in a bad mood.  I hit on Barry Melrose and it seemed appropriate.

Well, the game didn't go particularly well, so I was right about that.  I'm not particularly ticked, though.  If I stayed mad about every Leaf loss I'd be well into my third or fourth ulcer by now.  So why Barry Melrose?

Well, why not Barry Melrose?

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I have no recollection of Barry Melrose the player.  In '82-83 my family was still out west, so I didn't see him, and even after he went to Detroit (as all Leaf defensemen must), I can't say I recall him at all.

I know him for two things, really - for being Wendel Clark's cousin and for annoying us to no end in 1993.  Well, also for being called "Billy Ray Cyprus" (sic) by Don Cherry.  That was pretty good.  I don't think Barry particularly cared that we all hated him.  He probably revelled in it.  It's sort of reminiscent of how he played.

Coming out of junior, Barry was picked 36th overall by the Habs and 37th overall by the Cincinnati Stingers of the WHA.  Given the difference in the sizes of the leagues, this made him a second-rounder in the NHL but only a fourth in the WHA.  In a move that should have endeared him to Leafs fans, he spurned the chance to play for Montreal (or most likely, their AHL affiliate) to head out to Ohio.

By 1979, the WHA was done, and after enduring a season and a quarter with the horrific Winnipeg Jets he came to Toronto (which, truthfully, wasn't a whole lot better, at least defensively).  He brought a willingness to mix it up to the Toronto blue line and this kept him in the lineup for the next three seasons.

Between the two pro leagues, he put together a career that spanned the better part of 500 games, which isn't too shabby.  His real fame, though, came from his coaching (snark removed - ain't worth it) and the subsequent ESPN work.

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Barry fights Garry Howatt.  Note the appearance of Dave Shand (#3), acquired by the Leafs and then stuck in the minors, only to be rescued by Washington, who was much better defensively than Toronto.  This was not atypical.


Barry fights Pat Burns (sort of):




Barry's stats:

 1972-73  Weyburn Red Wings  SJHL
 1973-74  Weyburn Red Wings  SJHL  50   2   19   21   162 
 1974-75  Kamloops Chiefs  WCJHL  70   6   18   24   95   6   1   1   2   21 
 1975-76  Kamloops Chiefs  WCJHL  72   12   49   61   112   12   4   6   10   14 
 1976-77  Cincinnati Stingers  WHA  29   1   4   5   8   2   0   0   0   0 
 1976-77  Springfield Indians  AHL  23   0   3   3   17 
 1977-78  Cincinnati Stingers  WHA  69   2   9   11   113 
 1978-79  Cincinnati Stingers  WHA  80   2   14   16   222   3   0   1   1   8 
 1979-80  Winnipeg Jets  NHL  74   4   6   10   124   -41 
 1980-81  Winnipeg Jets  NHL  18   1   1   2   40   -12 
 1980-81  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  57   2   5   7   166   -18   3   0   1   1   15 
 1981-82  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  64   1   5   6   186   -26 
 1982-83  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  52   2   5   7   68   -16   4   0   1   1   23 
 1982-83  St. Catharines Saints  AHL  25   1   10   11   106 
 1983-84  Detroit Red Wings  NHL  21   0   1   1   74   0 
 1983-84  Adirondack Red Wings  AHL  16   2   1   3   37 
 1984-85  Adirondack Red Wings  AHL  72   3   13   16   226 
 1985-86  Detroit Red Wings  NHL  14   0   0   0   70   -6 
 1985-86  Adirondack Red Wings  AHL  57   4   4   8   204 
 1986-87  Adirondack Red Wings  AHL  55   4   9   13   170   11   1   2   3   107 
 1987-1988  Medicine Hat Tigers  WHL
 1988-1989  Seattle Thunderbirds  WHL
 1989-1992  Adirondack Red Wings  AHL
 1992-1995  Los Angeles Kings  NHLMGNT
 Leaf Totals  173   5   15   20   420   -60   7   0   2   2   38 
 NHL Totals  300   10   23   33   728   -119   7   0   2   2   38 
 WHA Totals  178   5   27   32   343   5   0   1   1   8 




- Selected by Cincinnati (WHA) in 1976 WHA Amateur Draft, May, 1976.
- Claimed by Quebec from Cincinnati (WHA) in WHA Dispersal Draft, June 8, 1979.
- Traded to Winnipeg by Quebec for Jamie Hislop and Barry Legge, June 28, 1979.
- Claimed on waivers by Toronto from Winnipeg, November 30, 1980.
- Signed as a free agent by Detroit, July 5, 1983.


the HHOF take on Barry:

"At the age of 16, Barry Melrose joined the Weyburn Red Wings of the Saskatchewan Junior Hockey League in 1972-73. He quickly established himself as a rugged defensive defenseman. The following year he played 50 games with the team, scoring two goals and 21 points while racking up 162 minutes in penalties.

Melrose joined the Kamloops Chiefs of the Western Central Junior Hockey League in 1974-75 and had 24 points in 70 games. The next year he contributed 12 goals and 61 points in 72 games. He was selected in the second round of the 1976 NHL Amateur Draft, 36th overall by the Montreal Canadiens. However, Melrose was also chosen 37th overall in the fourth round of the WHA Amateur Draft by the Cincinnati Stingers and realizing he had little chance of cracking the powerful Canadiens lineup, which had the likes of Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe and Larry Robinson patrolling the defense, opted to sign with the Stingers. During his first season in Cincinnati, Melrose played in 29 games where he had a goal and five points. He played two more seasons in Cincinnati until the collapse of the WHA following the 1978-79 season. He was then claimed by the Quebec Nordiques in the WHA Dispersal Draft on June 8, 1979 but just 20 days later was traded to the Winnipeg Jets for Jamie Hislop and Barry Legge. He played an entire season with the Jets, scoring four goals and ten points in 74 games.

Melrose began the 1980-81 campaign in Winnipeg before being claimed by the Toronto Maple Leafs on the waiver wire from Winnipeg on November 30, 1980. He spent three years in Toronto before signing a free-agent contract with the Detroit Red Wings on July 5, 1983. However, he played just 14 games in the Motor City before being demoted to the Adirondack Red Wings of the AHL. He played for another year in the minors before retiring after the 1986-87 season. Melrose played in 178 NHL games, scoring ten goals and 33 points with 728 minutes in penalties.

Melrose soon got into coaching and in 1992-93 led the Los Angeles Kings to an improbable berth in the Stanley Cup finals where they went down to the Montreal Canadiens in five games."

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still pissed from last night, so this is an unrelated rant ….. that @#$% clown on skates orr has tie domi’s number? thats so goddam wrong. maybe domi isnt rafter material but they should retire his number anyway. @#$%

I mean it. Bring him back.

by bringbackbower on Jan 7, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Johnny Bower lives somewhere nearby and frequents the same grocery store we do. Never met him there – missed him by that much.

Trying to remember who wore #28 prior to Tie and am drawing a blank. Personally, Miro Ihnacak in #27 is far worse than Orr in #28….

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hoglund in 14….

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by Karina on Jan 7, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s bad, too, but they specifically brought #27 out of mothballs for Miro. It would sort of be like handing #17 to Rickard Wallin.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

oh wow, I never knew that.

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by Karina on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t retired or anything – it was just a number nobody dared go near – sort of like 17. Then Harold thought Miro Ihnacak was just the guy. That left it wide open for Semenko, Lucien DeBlois and all the others.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked how the original player use to give the new guy his number… was it Ace Bailey that did that?

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by Karina on Jan 7, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That was sort of a one-off. Ace liked Ron Ellis so much that he asked that his number 6 be unretired so Ellis could have it.

(As an aside, Ace had the first number ever retired by an NHL team.)

What they did used to make you do, to an extent, was prove your merit to have a certain number. Dick Duff wanted Teeder’s number 9? Show us you won’t embarrass it. There was also a bit of a ceremony where Syl Apps gave #10 to George Armstrong.

Not sure how official any of that was.

They still do it to an extent. Gary Roberts called Lanny about #7 and I think Mayers talked to someone about #21 (not sure whether he called Salming himself or not).

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

ah I was thinking about Syl Apps and George Armstrong too.
I would love if the Leafs continued that tradition. Like if, say, Stalberg sticks and really thrives as a Leaf, he got permission from Sundin to wear #13 or something…

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by Karina on Jan 7, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be nice. I was thinking 27, but 13 could work too.

I read somewhere that the numbers also used to correspond to the sleeping berths on the train. Low numbers got the lower berths, which were more desirable. That meant players always wanted a low number if they could get it.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s where that comes from? Really interesting.
27 should be reserved for better players as well, Sundin just sticks in my head because he’s the best I’ve ever seen play.
It’d be cool if Gilmour gave Kadri #93 or something (this is wishful thinking)

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by Karina on Jan 7, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The funny thing about 27 is that when Mahovlich got it, that was a training camp number. It would be like someone becoming really famous in #59 or something, then all subsequent stars wearing it in tribute.

Have to find the source on the train thing. That might just have been something they did in Toronto to keep things simple and avoid arguments on the train.

For the Yankees, the uniform number matched their spot in the lineup. Babe Ruth batted 3rd.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget Kordic.

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by Down Goes Brown on Jan 7, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Marchment wearing 27 always bugged me for some reason

Fairweather fans can go to hell

by leafer1984 on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Trying to remember who wore #28 prior to Tie

It was Brian Curran. I can’t believe I got that before DGB (since I know he’s a fellow afficionado of the John Brophy-era Leafs and their enforcers).

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by jrwendelman on Jan 7, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He’d certainly have been one of them, but he was gone in ‘91 and Domi didn’t show till about ’95. I think Dave Harlock had #28 in the interim, might have been more….

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Looked it up. Rouse and Hogue also had it briefly before settling into other numbers. I also think Mathieu Schneider wore it for a game or two before going to 72.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I always forget, for some reason, that Domi wasn’t with the Leafs in the early 90’s. I think it’s because he started with us, then went away, then came back.

Anyway, according to hockey-reference.com, Darryl Shannon, David Harlock and Greg Smyth all wore 28 in the interregnum between Curran and Domi.

…aaaaaand I’m guessing that’s the first time the word “interregnum” has appeared on this site, and the first time it’s appeared in conjunction with Brian Curran and Tie Domi. So there’s THAT little bit of history out of the way.

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by jrwendelman on Jan 7, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Rouse and Hogue had it but switched off quickly (mapleleafs.com has this) and I’d have to check the timing on Schneider.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

OK - Domi predates Schneider

So what the heck was Schneider’s other number?

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Schneider wore #72 in his Leafs debut.

You can see him skate by the Leafs net here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deyINv6RY0g#t=1m58s

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by Down Goes Brown on Jan 7, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Must have been Domi I was thinking of. He wore 8 for a game or so when he was first traded back.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

what the heck was Schneider’s other number?

I believe the correct answer to that question, on more shifts than I care to remember, was “-1”.

jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)

by jrwendelman on Jan 7, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve blotted “Benoit Hogue as a Maple Leaf” almost entirely out of my memory. It’s amazing what alcohol can do…

As for Schneider’s other number, I only remember him wearing 72 for the Leafs. He wore about a thousand other numbers for other teams, according to hockey-reference.com.

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by jrwendelman on Jan 7, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Trying to remember who wore #28 prior to Tie

It was Brian Curran. I can’t believe I got that after jrwendelman.

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by Down Goes Brown on Jan 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, retire Tie DOmi’s number. Let us change all the rules of retiring numbers for Tie Domi. Fuck Keon, and Sittler and Bower and Horton. TIE DOMI!!
I’M ON BOARD WHO IS WITH ME?!?!?!?!?!

Fairweather fans can go to hell

by leafer1984 on Jan 7, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed the “retire his number anyway” part. That is a tad extreme.

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

that might be one of the dumbest things I’ve heard in a while.

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Jan 7, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Tie Domi?

What did Orr do that was so objectionable that Domi hasn’t done multiple times?

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by PPP on Jan 7, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s Wendel Clark’s cousin? WHAT THE HECK????

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by Karina on Jan 7, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

So was Joe Kocur.

Kelvington was a town of divided loyalties in 1993….

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by 1967ers on Jan 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I need to pick up another history book

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by Karina on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

a Canadian Hatfield-McCoy?

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jan 7, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You posted

Now you have to do an FTB

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 7, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So Saturday nights in Kelvington looked like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhZip41FAec

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by kidkawartha on Jan 7, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I have absolutely no recollection of him ever as a player.

From the picture it looks like he hadn’t yet perfected his now legendary mullet.

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by stucky on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Doesn’t Barry look like a mustachioed Joe Nieuwendyk on that card?

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by Bettman's Nightmare on Jan 7, 2010 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

You know, I can see it.

by JP Nikota on Jan 7, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

does anyone notice a similarity between Clark and White in the interview above?

Is that the kid you want?

by kessticle on Jan 8, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

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