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Editor's Note: This should serve as a guideline on how to raise children. Take notes people who have kids and think it's not their place to force their team on their children. Do it. 

The night before my life changed forever, the Toronto Maple Leafs dropped an exhibition game in St. Louis.

Former Leaf draft pick Brad Boyes, picked up a couple of points and future Leaf Lee Stempniak potted a pair of goals but I didn’t care much about that.  Nor did I do more than shrug at the 7-3 scoreline because less than twenty-four hours later, hockey, the Leafs—everything—was secondary to the turn of events which would remould my understanding of parenthood… and my role on this world.

On October 2, 2008 at 4:15pm Eastern Time, my wife and I welcomed into the world our first child—a boy—Liam Kenneth.  The birth or accouchement, was long (11.5 hours) and both my newborn son and my wife were kept in hospital for a week.  All thoughts of who made the team out of training camp and the preseason were ushered aside in short order as I prepared to enter the world of fatherhood.

I ran into Mathieu, a friend/neighbour of mine and a cynical Quebec Nordiques fan to boot, on my way to the hospital one morning.  Always quick with a remark about my downtrodden hockey team, he was in rare form that day.

"Your boy," he started with a smirk.  "He’s going to have a tough time around here as a Leafs fan—if you choose to raise him that way."

Star-divide

You see, where I live it’s Le Tricolore or Le CH—our blood rival, the Canadiens.  And, to a lesser extent, it’s also the Pittsburgh Penguins.  For that, we may thank Sidney Crosby who transformed the Bas-Saint-Laurent into two-sided fan base where locals can usually find at least one team—if not two—to cheer for during the playoffs.

As if reliving Johnny Cash’s "A Boy Named Sue" for a split second while I considered my friend’s comment, I threw Mathieu a smile with little warmth.  "Shit.  Then he’ll be tougher for it in the long run."

My response must have been slightly unexpected for him because he withdrew before further remark and I got in the car and drove to the hospital.  Along the way, I recalled my own youth where growing up in Nova Scotia, I’d had the luxury of choosing any number of NHL team as my own.  The Leafs, Habs, Bruins—hell, I even had a friend who was a Kings fan before they resembled anything near a contender (see: Gretzky trade).

What made me a fan of the Toronto Maple Leafs as a kid?  I hadn’t considered it before then.  In a journal I wrote during the first grade, I admitted my three favourite players being Dale Hawerchuk of the Winnipeg JetsPetr Svoboda of the Montreal Canadiens and Gary Leeman of our Leafs.  No help there.

Of my 23 uncles who follow hockey, most are Leafs fans.  My maternal grandfather was perhaps one of the biggest fans of hockey—and a gigantic Leaf fan also.  His influence was likely the biggest reason of all why I evolved into a big fan of Toronto.

In some ways, having a specific sports team to root for can be about as important as having a favourite colour.  Or it may very well be as important as believing in God (see: Celtic F.C. and Rangers F.C.).  But whatever level you measure it upon, it still rates as an opinion and those can be as varied as the stars in the sky.

And so as I drove to the hospital to prepare to bring my wife and newborn son home for the first time, I considered my upbringing and how no one really came out and took a crap on me for being a Leafs fan—and this was during a time when we had a fellow named Allan Bester between the pipes for us.  John Brophy was the head coach and the team’s best players included Gary LeemanVincent DamphousseAl IafrateRuss Courtnall and Wendel Clark.  Those were tough times for the Maple Leafs as a team and still nobody so much as went beyond teasing me about wearing a blue-and-white Leafs toque.

Here in Rimouski—not near the heart of the enemy, but maybe it’s liver—there are a few kids who play road hockey on our street.  They all have their Montreal Canadiens toques and jerseys so when my son and I come out wearing our Leafs gear, there are usually a couple of cold stares.  Even the fat kid with the Senators jersey appears slightly more "with" his buddies as if seeing that blue maple leaf galvanized their hatred.  Yes, it’s a different animal to be a Leafs fan in Québec than it was in Nova Scotia.

Recently, my mother-in-law purchased the famous Roch Carrier book and DVD, "The Hockey Sweater".  In case anyone hasn’t read this landmark in Canadian literature, it’s about a kid from Montreal whose mother orders him a new Canadians sweater from Eaton’s but there’s a mix-up with the order and instead he ends up with a Maple Leafs sweater and feels humiliated among the other children.  When my son and I watched it for the first time together, he didn’t seem to care what colour the sweater was.  Then again, he’s only two but I often believe the hill will only become steeper for him as time goes forward—that is, in terms of being raised a Leafs fan around these parts.  But I digress.

A couple of weeks after my wife and son returned home, one of the few tricks we could manage to put my son to sleep was to rock him in his car seat in front of the TV but hockey had to be on.  More often than not, it would be the NHL Network.  Within minutes, my son would be fast asleep.  (Not sure what that says about Brian Duff.)

By the time my son could walk at 13 months-old, he was already shooting hockey pucks around the basement with alarming accuracy.

At 17 months, shooting a hockey ball in the net in the driveway was fast becoming a daily ritual and quietly observing the other kids on the street as they played ball hockey seemed to be part of the experience for him also.

By March of this year, Liam could identify and say the names of four Leafs players—Gustavsson ("Monster"), Phaneuf, Grabovski ("Grabbo") and Schenn.  (We’re working on Kessel and Bozak at the moment.  MacArthur is next.  Zigomanis could prove difficult.)

Though it’s fair to say I’m shaping the interests of my son, I consider the whole idea of passing the proverbial torch to my son in a land of crazed Habs fans frighteningly similar to Brian Burke’s transformation of our beloved team, the whole thing is an allegory for something bigger… does the way in which I discovered myself as a Leafs fan on my own with outside influences make me more of a diehard than my son will be for being force-fed the Maple Leafs behind "enemy lines"?  Either way, it’s finally good to have some company when I watch the games on TV.

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very, very cool. bravo.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Oct 18, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i like :)… very cool to hear stories relating our fandom.. and hearing about the little boy reminds me that when i was a kid, my dad taught me letters by pointing at his leafs jersey.. “T…O…R.. O.. N… T… O…”

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by PapaLasagna on Oct 18, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s hilarious! A couple weeks ago my boy was spelling using my jersey too!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Rimouski a little bit less than the rest of Quebec ;)

"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong

by Leafer87 on Oct 18, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

here you go again…

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You really bring it upon yourself.

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by PPP on Oct 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

so…. is this permission??? ;)

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Oct 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

It’s a note to smarten up and stop derailing every conversation with her bigamy.

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by PPP on Oct 19, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine :(

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

gah! Stupid tab key

Bigamy:
the act of entering into a marriage with one person while still legally married to another

colour me confused….

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

leafer87 is a Leafs fan but has an undying love for Crosby.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Oct 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing wrong with that

it’s her affinity for all things Pens related that irks me

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by blurr1974 on Oct 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m learning!

"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong

by Leafer87 on Oct 19, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, but why do we always have to talk about it?

...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd.

by Fergus30 on Oct 20, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Pensburgh will love to hear about it.

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by PPP on Oct 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not the one who mentions it every time
gah I’ll shut up

"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong

by Leafer87 on Oct 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Rimouski a little bit less than the rest of Quebec ;)

I beg to differ.

Be an Optimist Prime, not a Negatron. Certified Grabbo Lover!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

not every time it gets brought up is my fault.
And hey I could like Rimouski for other stuff, like… uhh

"It reminded me a lot of when I was in Pittsburgh and we were growing together as a group. The Leafs are going through the same thing" - Colby Armstrong

by Leafer87 on Oct 20, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing. You and the family are doing fantastic work bringing a semblance of blue & white sanity to Eastern Quebec.

Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell

by bkblades on Oct 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice story

The author is not alone. I was at the Remparts game last sat night (The one where some kid named Champagne maintained his 2ppg pace) . Several Leaf caps were in evidence. Not to mention that during the intermission, the Mtl-Ott game was playing on the scoreboard. When Mtl scored the crowd erupted into a loud chorus of boos.

by blue with age on Oct 19, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is beautiful

Hope you write more!

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by blurr1974 on Oct 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Amazing

Front Page’d. Excellent work.

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by PPP on Oct 19, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

zig'd! a great read!

Continue this important work with your child, and may I suggest you and your wife have 22 more!

by somny on Oct 19, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s awesome. I want to think my boy will have the same type of response in a couple years.

Be an Optimist Prime, not a Negatron. Certified Grabbo Lover!

Адразу Ліфс Перайсці !

by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I want a child

So I can raise him the proper way: loving the leafs! Excellent work!

by theninjagreg on Oct 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Very cool story! Loved the whole thing… but especially at the end when you’re straight out "does the way in which I discovered myself as a Leafs fan on my own with outside influences make me more of a diehard than my son will be for being force-fed the Maple Leafs behind “enemy lines”? There’s nothing wrong with a little force-feeding… thats the whole point of having kids in the first place, right?

And much respect for not taking any crap from a Nordique fan.

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by Matt Reitz on Oct 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks so much for this! I rec’d it as quickly as possible.
My boy is only 2 1/2 and during last night’s opening sequence, pointed at the tv and said “Monster!”. I was so proud.

I came home last night to a house full of Leafs jerseys. My boy greeted me in his new blue, and told me “I have your big white one, dad!” as my new Phaneuf was sitting on my chair. My wife was making dinner in my last year’s blue Grabovski. She said she looked for the old infant blue one for the new baby but couldn’t find it, or all four of us would have been appropriately clad. I couldn’t have been more proud.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

OMG that’s ridiculously adorable

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Oct 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's my favourite little monkey. has to wear everything that i'm wearing lately, especially leafs stuff!

Be an Optimist Prime, not a Negatron. Certified Grabbo Lover!

Адразу Ліфс Перайсці !

by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks, btw!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are your pants?

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by SkinnyFish on Oct 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Photos without pants get noticed far easier. It’s a marketing strategy.

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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

unknown. it’s a common occurence around my house.

the most likely answer is that i’m wearing shorts because it was a warm day and i have a long jersey, but that’s not very fun.

Be an Optimist Prime, not a Negatron. Certified Grabbo Lover!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

pants are optional

I’m surprised Sergei Jr is wearing any in these pictures

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by Mrs. Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah it is.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!! This is what we all must do with our children.

Let the Wookie win.

by Kenjamin on Oct 19, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your son is seriously adorable.

by alexagill on Oct 19, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true. He’s pretty fucking cute. No idea where he gets it.

Oh, from my wife of course! That’s what I meant the whole time.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 19, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that for my benefit? I don’t care how much you suck up you’re still not getting any…at least not for approximately another 2 weeks :)

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by Mrs. Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we can take this as a sign that nobody is safe from their wives, not even on the internet

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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 20, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true. Don’t ever give your wife the keys to the computer.

Be an Optimist Prime, not a Negatron. Certified Grabbo Lover!

Адразу Ліфс Перайсці !

by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

your computer has an ignition?

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Oct 20, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t yours?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No wife yet but I’ll make sure to keep everything firmly secured under a few hundred passwords

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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 20, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quiet you.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome

Thanks for joining.

I have to say, I like this new trend of people’s wives joining up :)

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by PPP on Oct 20, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

i’m not letting you within even 100 virtual feet of my wife…

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by blurr1974 on Oct 20, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks!

I tried to assure him that I wouldn’t embarrass him…we’ll see how that goes ;)

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by Mrs. Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

note that the rest of us here encourage you embarrassing him as much as you see fit

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Oct 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I told her! She didn’t believe me. Enter Jared, Voice of Reason.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s a hard job, but someone has to do it

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Oct 20, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

My computer just broke from having too much adorable cuteness. Rec’d for cuteness and having a family of Leafs fans. Bravo.

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by torleafsfan29 on Oct 21, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Word. I need to get a photo of all four of us all jerseyed up!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 21, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post

Instant zig’n

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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 19, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Even the fat kid with the Senators jersey appears slightly more “with” his buddies as if seeing that blue maple leaf galvanized their hatred.

ahahahahahaha this made me laugh. It figures that the Sens fan would be fat.

by leafsfan_101 on Oct 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe SENS_SUCK has more in common with the enemy than he knows.

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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 20, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I've got to rec this one.

I know all about growing up in a francophone community being the only Leaf fan.

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by JP Nikota on Oct 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

My little one (13 months) always grabs anything with a leafs logo on it. The first TV I ever let him see was a hockey game.

“The Hockey Sweater”? Your mother in law is despicable!

by Aschendancy on Oct 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Canadiens propaganda!

by AM18 on Oct 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We actually embed that dogma onto your 5-dollar bills here in Ottawa, so maybe it’s really Sens propaganda designed to divide and conquer.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Oct 20, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very Happy

To see everyone enjoyed it! I hit the PPP site several times a day and there’s always a great deal of nifty stuff… so I thought maybe it was my turn to give something back.

Cheers!

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by JeanValjean on Oct 19, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

We should all be so reciprocal. If everyone here were to take their turn, the tapestry of the myriad voices could only enrich the PPP experience and embiggen the spirit of the cromulent masses. (I got halfway through that thought and realized that my choice of words wasn’t quite pompous enough).

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Oct 20, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Shit. Then he’ll be tougher for it in the long run.”

Living in Flames country I’m always responding with this in defense of our family’s two blue teams

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by Mrs. Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I clearly missed the tutorial on the block quote…

Oilers fan by birth, Leafs fan through marriage

by Mrs. Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!
:P

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is adorable.

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by PPP on Oct 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outstanding; you are a role model to us all. Go forth, and continue doing God’s Burke’s work.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

my uncle had the same colour identification issue with his boy, i spent a couple hours teaching the kid about the leaf and how, that when it came down to it, the leaf was more important than the colour

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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a good tip to remember.

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by PPP on Oct 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point. Shape recognition is totally where it’s at.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 20, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine are trained to look for either “TOR” or “CAN” at the top of the screen. I’m even covered for baseball that way. :)

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by 1967ers on Oct 21, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent stories across the board, by the way.

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by 1967ers on Oct 21, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I finally read this post and I’m glad I did. Well written, fun to read and something different.
We are expecting our first born this coming February. I’ve taken a few tips from this post. We live in Ottawa. In particular the – “stronger for it” part.

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Oct 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Congrats!

You’ll do a good job if you follow this example.

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by PPP on Oct 22, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats man! The world needs more Leaf fans.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 23, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, thank you

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Oct 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cannot go wrong by having more Leaf fans.

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by JeanValjean on Oct 24, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

More the merrier, of course

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Oct 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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