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Komisarek's Brutal Night

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Mike Komisarek played 12:08 last night broken down as such:

Period
EV
PP
PK
TOT
1
4:40


4:40
2
2:48

2:04
4:45
3
2:36


2:36
Total
10:04
0:00
2:04
12:08

In his 10 even strength minutes Komisarek managed to be on the ice for both Montreal goals. Ron Wilson didn't give a ringing endorsement of Komisarek's play to Leafs Beat:

He didn't play very much last year and he didn't play very much within our system so his ice time wasn't a lot last night because other guys are playing a little bit better. And that's the way it's going to be. - James Mirtle, The Globe and Mail

Wilson isn't strictly throwing Komisarek under the bus but that doesn't say a lot for him. I'm of the personal opinion that despite being injury shortened Komisarek's last season was horrible. I was willing to give him a Toskala mulligan but he needs to drastically improve his play from what he's bringing right now.

On the first Montreal goal last night Carl Gunnarsson fails to clear the puck off the glass and it goes directly to Dustin Boyd who steps around a standing Komisarek to bang it home on J.S. Giguere. I'll fault Gunnarsson and Komisarek equally. The second goal was kind of fluky and Komisarek had a man tied up. Both Komisarek and Francois Beauchemin need to settle down a little in the zone on that play.

Forget the storyline of Montreal being happy to be rid of him; at the time Bob Gainey was distraught to have lost Komisarek so it's clear other teams think he has a lot to bring to the table. We just need him to show it. For his part he seems to be taking it in stride:

Asked if he minded that his ice time was seriously curtailed, with only five shifts and 2:36 in the third period, Komisarek said no.

"It's one game," he said. - James Mirtle, The Globe and Mail

That's the right attitude for a veteran who needs to work his way back into the lineup. Remember last year he had a terrible game against Montreal. Hopefully he's jittery playing against his old team until he gets used to beating them. Let's hope he turns it around, we'll need him.

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I’d say that overall, Komisarek had a brutal year… but at the same time, the last month he was playing before his injury, he looked really good and seemed to be having a calming influence on the team overall. I think it’ll take him a couple of months to get his act together again but as usual, I’m optimistic.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I have nothing

nice to say about Komisarek, so I won’t say anything at all.

Props to Ron Wilson, though, for not sending him out there in the 3rd period last night. Good coaching. He was brutal, park him, and play your best d-man the best. That best d-man last night? Tomas Kaberle. OH SHIT.

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by eyebleaf on Oct 8, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If Kaberle plays like that every night I don’t think you could find a Leafs fan in the world to say something negative about him. Let’s hope it continues.

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by Chemmy on Oct 8, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOMAS KABERLE – LEAF FOR LIFE

forgot to mention earlier, the love he got from the crowd last night during the introductions was awesome, i got all goosebumpy.

both komi and gunnarson are worrisome right now. $4.5M for 3rd pairing minutes is almost as bad as $3.5M for press box.

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by daoust on Oct 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gunnarsson had one bad clear.

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by Chemmy on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That whole shift preceding Boyd’s goal was awful.

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by clrkaitken on Oct 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

he had a bad preseason too though.

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by daoust on Oct 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

psst

it’s $4.95 in the pressbox with both Finger and Lebda.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle did a little wave to the crowd, too. That killed me.

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by bkblades on Oct 8, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

MacArthur’s wave to the crowd was best, it looked so awkward like he was burying his head in his shoulders and squeaking out a short “hi”

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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 8, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kabs seemed as surprised as anyone by that ovation.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he blushed too.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Oct 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will. Kaberle’s got a chip on his shoulder. He’s going to play like a man who knows that “haters gonna hate.”

Last night, when he got that ovation, man, I was BEAMING.

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by eyebleaf on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be happy if he plays this well all season.

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by Chemmy on Oct 8, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally beaming, it was awesome.

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by daoust on Oct 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Further to the FTB discussion re: Komisarek’s surgery and recovery time, the actual date of his operation was February 10th. (warning: link to the Sun). With 4-6 months of recovery time, that puts him at around August 10th to be “recovered” although I have no idea what that means.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that means cleared to play, which would mean he’s still got months to go to get back into game shape.

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by blurr1974 on Oct 8, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would make sense.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Komisarek had a miserable start to last season as did pretty much everyone on the team. IIRC, at the time he was injured vs Edmonton, his GAON/60 was the best of all Leaf defensemen. He seemed to have settled down and returned to his low risk play, so I don’t think its fair to write off his entire season as being horrible.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No one is writing off his entire season.

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by Chemmy on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I was referring to his 09-10.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

His 09-10 he was one of the worst of the Leafs at the start of the season, second only to maybe Toskala. He dramatically improved right before getting hurt and missing 61 games.

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by Chemmy on Oct 8, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He started to pick it up after the first few games, even

I still remember going to the game against Vancouver (a.k.a. loss #8) and I couldn’t help but notice how much better Komi was looking in that game.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m Captain of the “Komisarek Worriers Club” but I can’t disagree with a word of this. It’s still early and Wilson is smart for working him back in slowly after a long time off. And his rust last night didn’t hurt us in the standings one little bit.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

In theory, this is supposed to be the benefit of having such a deep blueline. Wilson has the luxury of allocating ice time on a day-by-day basis based on who’s playing well that night, and it provides constant motivation for them all to maintain a high level of play.

This, and the situation with Zigomanis/Brent/Mitchell/Hanson, is where we are seeing that “Competition for Jobs” mantra really taking root.

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by clrkaitken on Oct 8, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah its fortunate that we have two or three other guys who can fit the mold of ‘shutdown D’ until he gets his act together.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to make this into a Komisarek bitchfest

Considering there are quite a few non-fans here, but even on that second goal, Komisarek didn’t tie up the stick of his man up front and Beauchemin was left helpless because he was on the other side. Komisarek gets overzealous and to me, I think he’s still trying to find his niche on the team. He seems lost in terms of his role. I may not like Komisarek, but I can lay some of the blame on the coaching staff as well for not clearly detailing roles for each player on D.

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by bkblades on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

3 things happened that fucked everything up.

1) Gunnarsson came out of nowhere last winter
2) The Phaneuf deal
3) Didn’t move Kaberle this summer.

If anyone of those things didn’t happen it would have caused the roles to be more clearly defined.

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by clrkaitken on Oct 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the Kaberle deal didn’t come to head until last year’s trade deadline. I’m not disagreeing with you that this team wasn’t built on the back end without complexities, just that the coaching staff had time to know that situation as well.

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by bkblades on Oct 8, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagreed.

Komisarek has Lapierre tied up there. Lapierre doesn’t get the puck. He covers his man. Beauchemin’s man can’t make a play.

The rebound squeaks out and the Montreal player puts it off the post, Giguere’s skate and then Beauchemin kicks it into the net.

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by Chemmy on Oct 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching the replay live I was under the impression that whoever was playing centre lost his man, not Komi & Beauch.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Who’s the forward on his ass above Boyd?

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by SkinnyFish on Oct 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

:(

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by SkinnyFish on Oct 8, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by blurr1974 on Oct 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

awkward

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by Vitamin_M on Oct 8, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where’s Komi’s stick? Not on the stick of Lapierre. Too high from that image and so, Lapierre takes a shot resulting in the rebound.

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by bkblades on Oct 8, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Komi has his man tied up. Lapierre could have kicked that puck off Giguere to get it out as well. Komisarek is in position and doing the right thing. An uncovered Montreal player makes a lucky shot off of a lucky bounce.

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by Chemmy on Oct 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup hit the post and was going to go wide into the corner but it went off of Beauch’s skate.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Halpern had most of the net open and still managed to hit the post.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t argue it wasn’t a goal attributed to luck. After all, it hit the post and Beauchemin to go in. But Komisarek didn’t seem to tie up Lapierre that well considering he did get a stick on the puck and got off the shot regardless. He could have kicked the puck, too, but he didn’t because his stick was still free. Either way, i’m nitpicking.

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by bkblades on Oct 8, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe one of our history majors can submit some proper attribution, but there was a hockey coach (player?) who once said words to the effect of “if they beat us once per game with skill, and once per game with luck, I’m okay with that. Any more and it’s not okay.” Absolutely the case last night, and that goal was the latter of the two bad beats.

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by Bower Power on Oct 8, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hap Day had a variation on that – he said that your opposition should never get more than one goal on their own merits. Your own mistakes would give them another one and bad officiating or luck another half. That meant you needed three.

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by 1967ers on Oct 8, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure that was the quote I was thinking of. Thanks.

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by Bower Power on Oct 8, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Komisarek did have a guy tied up in front of the net. It was the guy in the high slot who went to the far post and banged in a loose puck

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by birky on Oct 8, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Komisarek made a fine play standing up his man in the neutral zone, which led to the Kessel goal. Great pass from Bozak too.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

We will have to give Komi some more time to adjust – but if by Christmas he still isn’t ‘with it’ I have no problem keeping him as the 5th Dman (except for the fact we are paying him like a high level 3rd)

Ah well – if Schenn/Beauch can handle the lion’s share of shut down duties, we will just have to live with that.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 8, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Look around the league—we’re paying him like a 1st or 2nd.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

could really become a burden by next year if komi continues to play poorly and schenn continues to develop

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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The salary we spend on our D looks like it’s just going to become more of a problem as we go ahead. The only tradeable salary we seem to have is Beauchemin, and he really does seem too important to the team right now to trade.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I wonder what the terms of Komi’s partial NMC/NTC are…

Did I say that out loud? Whoops, too early for that, I know.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Far too early, he’ll have to have a really great bounce back season this year to be tradeable.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if thats the case burke wouldnt move him, he’d be as happy as pig in you know what

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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say it depends on the return.
By the end of next season, one of Komisarek or Beauchemin will be gone.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

true, no one is untradable really.

Just sayin, burke would be extremley happy if Komi can actually live up to the cotnract he gave him. This would also mean that the leafs are winning more than they are losing most likley.

Cant argue with your last sentance though, cant see beauch and komi sticking around past next year. Schenn is just going to keep getting better and better and makes having both of those 2 redundant.

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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 8, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s impossible for him to live up to $4.5MM—that’s 25th in the league among D. Volchenkov, the gold standard shut-down D-man makes less.

But he certainly could be very valuable if he returns to 07/08 form.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true, “living up to his contract” at this point would be just playing the best hockey of his career

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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or killing a Hab.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dream is Komi kicks ass in the NHL, Aulie does the same in the AHL, and we trade Komi in the offseason for a first/replace him with Aulie.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

dream bigger.

/being a smartass

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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 8, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Komi has to give Burke a list of 10 teams at the start of every month that he would accept a trade to

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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 teams named before the season started, I believe.

Someone can check on that – don’t know if capgeek has that info.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 8, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Komi

was the only leaf to record blocked shots last night, and he recorded 4 of them. I’ll give him a pass on a few mistakes if he keeps doing that every night.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 8, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh? Thought they blocked 22 shots overall.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess he still did manage to block more shots than anyone in 12:00 of ice time. That’s still OK by me…he’s doing part of his job well.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 8, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blocked shots can be a highly overrated stats. Just shows you’re getting dominated possessionally.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

how so?

Toronto only had one D man in the top 30 for blocked shots last season. CHI had two. PHI had two.

I think there’s a whole lot more to blocked shots than you’ve made it sound.

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by blurr1974 on Oct 8, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically the problem is that blocked shots don’t matter as much as who gains possession after the block. Blocked shots that get your team possession? Awesome. Blocked shots that set up someone else? Especially if they’re strong enough deflections that your goalie is now out of possession? Awful.

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by Bower Power on Oct 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

but then there are two types of blocked shots, as you’ve pointed out, and just saying all are bad, or all are good, isn’t true.

I just think it’s too simplistic to wash it away by saying if you block shots, that means you’re bad/getting dominated etc.

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by blurr1974 on Oct 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not what I said. See below.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just shows you’re getting dominated possessionally.

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by blurr1974 on Oct 8, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to read both sentences, not one.

Whatever, I know the gig.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t understand why you take this so personal.

I thought there was more to the stat than that wide reaching statement you made. You did say “Just shows you’re getting dominated possessionally.”

Further down the thread, you end up agreeing with me. Not sure what the “Whatever…” comment is referencing. Man up moose. I’m not attacking you.

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by blurr1974 on Oct 8, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I said, whatever. This is pointless.

Below is an enjoyable debate.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm. i honestly don’t know if i agree with that or not.

does anyone know if ‘attempted shots’ is tracked by the NHL? i’ve always thought that would be a more useful stat, or would be useful in conjunction with actual SOG. sure, some shots miss because of good defensive coverage forcing an akward shot, but a lot of times it’s just a bad shot on what could have been a good scoring chance.

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by daoust on Oct 8, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

not 100% sure

but I think so, because I believe they’re used in calculating corsi…

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s taking it too far the other way though. Not necessarily dominated you can’t expect the team to give up no shots.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think 67 Sound is right on.

Here’s what Mirtle had to say about shot blocking a couple of years back.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Oct 8, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like you, and not just for your username.

That’s a great piece by Mirtle.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Can be” folks, “can be”. The Habs had massive blocked shots in the playoffs last year, just showed they were getting owned by the Pens and Caps but saved by Halak.

Obviously you’d rather block a shot than let it through, but best of all would be to have the puck out of the freaking zone.

Just saying “big blocked shot total” does not necessarily equal "good defensive performance. You need to look at it in context.

FWIW, last year Dennis Seidenberg led the league in blocks last year, followed by Sutton, Ballard, Zanon and Pronger (only the last of whom is an elite defender). Guys like Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Doughty, Keith, Weber, Chara—i.e., the best defencemen in the league—don’t sniff the top 10.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the can be seemed to be negated by the second sentence which was strongly worded.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, well I’m clarifying now. Anyway, GBTYT’s link to Mirtle’s piece demonstrates that high shot blocking totals (team-wide) is actually correlated with losing, not winning. Not surprising really.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, and not really, but it’s also one season he charted.
I wonder what the totals for the playoffs are?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d bet it’s pretty consistent for a team. If you’re blocking a ton of shots it stands to reason you’re getting dominated in possession.

It’s more context sensitive individually. It could reflect carrying hard minutes and being a good shot blocker (like Pronger and Volchenkov), or it can reflect that you’re constantly scrambling and never have the puck.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

And it also seems like it could be one of those stats where perception is stronger than stats. A great shot block stands out and people could isolate it from the rest of the play i:e: There would be no need for the shot block if everyone was doing there job.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put. This is a little unfair but it can be a bit like congratulating the arsonist for putting out the fire.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That said, there ARE definitely times in which shot blocking is an asset, PK being the most obvious one.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other words

stats in context

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by blurr1974 on Oct 8, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I checked it against several seasons, however. The trend holds.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those guys are considered the best defensemen in the league because of their point production, not necessarily their play in their own end (aside maybe from Lidstrom and Chara).

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you don’t think Doughty, Weber, Keith and Niedermayer are incredibly effective in their own end, I don’t know what to say.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying that they’re necessarily bad in their own end, just that it’s not really why they’re considered the best in the league.

But I think Karina’s right. Good players (like these) are good and making it look easy.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 8, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, but to me their defensive play is very important. I intentionally didn’t mention guys like Green or Boyle for that reason.

You don’t have to be big and punishing to be a superlative defender.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true, but I think that there are a lot of really good defensemen in the league who don’t necessarily get credit (or paid) for being superlative in their own end (sometimes without being physical) because they’re not being noticeable and not putting up huge points.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 8, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Examples?
Maybe Beauchemin?

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say that I’d put Doughty, Keith and Weber all high because of their play in their own end as well. They’re just better positionally so they don’t have to do things like block shots.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

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by The '67 Sound on Oct 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hrm

I read this statistic somewhere this morning. Can’t remember where. I take it all back then….

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 8, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Gunnarsson looked worse than Komisarek did last night. I thought Komi took too much edge off his game last night (too afraid of taking penalties)

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by birky on Oct 8, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I missed most of the third due to my own game (and Komi hardly played in the 3rd), but I agreed with this assessment

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by clrkaitken on Oct 8, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the preseason and last night, Gunnarsson looked strangely slow getting to loose pucks and unwilling to compete along the boards. He’s handling the puck like a proverbial hand grenade, as if he’s anticipating pressure or contact and trying to make a play quicker than he’s able to.

I watch him and I put his play so far in juxtaposition with how he played last season and I think: GROIN/HIP INJURY.

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by mudie on Oct 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting theory, but with the number of defensemen we have I doubt they’d be playing a young D like Gunnar while he’s injured.

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well there is the constant issue of players believing that they can’t put themselves on the shelf due to a non-visible/unnoticed injury.

There are far to many happenings of a member of MSM or the player himself stating a month or season after that, yes they had been trying to play through a relatively minor sprain or stiffness or malady, without mentioning it to the coaching or training staffs.

More concerning are the stories of trainers covering for players and assisting them in concealing an injury form the coaches, or a coach/front office that deems the injury minor enough that the player should be encouraged to play through it; the latter of which is still standard practice for most NFL teams(see the TV series Hard Knocks).

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by mudie on Oct 8, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still not that worried about Komi. Whenever I would watch him play against us as part of the Habs, he always struck me as a tough-as-shite, positionally sound defenseman that our guys clearly were bothered to play against. The only notable detriment I could find in his game at that point was the number of penalties he would take. Flash forward to last summer and I was thrilled we signed him. Last year he had a terrible start, which I think we all pretty much can unanimously chalk up to nerves now. He really never had a chance to settle in before he got hurt, but was showing sound improvement until he did get put out. I think he’ll probably follow a similar trajectory this year, by showing a marked improvement around the 10-15 game mark. From there it’s just a matter of staying healthy and being consistent.

Gunnar on the other hand is a shadow of his former self right now. To me it looks like a confidence issue….over-thinking and under-trusting his ability. Sophomore thing likely.

Then there’s Kabby, who played last night’s game with a swagger and jump in his step that I’ve never seen before. He was downright cocky at times (which was awesome to see). I was blown away. Completed different player. Looked like bloody Bobby Orr at one point.

by Alex Grantham on Oct 8, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Completely different player.

by Alex Grantham on Oct 8, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Komisarek looked weak at times, and so did Gunnarsson which worries me a bit. Kaberle was amazing though, and I loved the look on his face when he got the big ovation. I was also impressed by Phaneuf last night. I thought Dion was dangerous offensively, he moved the puck out of his own zone well, he played a solid physical game and seemed very calm and composed. If he keeps playing like that I’ll be very very happy.

by Mirinov's Nose on Oct 8, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll buy that.
It’s a long year, right? It’s one game, it’s a couple shifts, we won the game. You move on. You know you’re going to get better next game and take it from there. Don’t get down on yourself for a mistake.

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by A Lindros Jaw on Oct 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

also, trade talk after one bad game is pretty bloody tedious.

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by A Lindros Jaw on Oct 8, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there’s a lot of context you’re not aware of

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by Karina on Oct 8, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on this one, Chemmy.

I’ve not liked the Komisarek contract at all since Day 1, even if he didn’t have the rough season in ‘09-’10 that he did. Whenever voicing this opinion, however, I was always surprised at the amount of people who jumped to his defense. Here’s hoping he turns things around.

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by JP Nikota on Oct 8, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

Rec’d.

Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?

by JP Nikota on Oct 8, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

we definitely need more of our D-men to play at a higher level to at least partially justify their salary.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 9, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

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