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Let's play a fun game and dissect this damning still of last night's opening goal. John Mitchell is in position but Fredrik Sjostrom isn't covering a guy that might be the most dangerous powerplay sniper in the league.

Even if Giguere had made the save Komisarek and Beauchemin had abandoned the front of the net.

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by eyebleaf on Nov 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

What would we call that formation? It kind of looks like a noose.

by World's Worst Man on Nov 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

some kind of warped triangle + 1

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The penis. Seriously.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well. Played.

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by eyebleaf on Nov 10, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Words of wisdom from Bullet Tooth Stamkos
So, you are obviously the big dick. The men on the side of ya are your balls. Now there are two types of balls. There are big brave balls, and there are little mincey faggot balls. Now, dicks have drive and clarity of vision, but they are not clever. They smell pussy and they want a piece of the action. And you thought you smelled some good old pussy, and have brought your two little mincey faggot balls along for a good old time. But you’ve got your parties muddled up. There’s no pussy here, just a dose that’ll make you wish you were born a woman. Like a prick, you are having second thoughts. You are shrinking, and your two little balls are shrinking with you. And the fact that you’ve got “Replica” written down the side of your guns…
And the fact that I’ve got “Desert Eagle point five O” written down the side of mine, should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence.

Now Fuck Off!

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Pull up your socks.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Quoting from “Snatch”…win.

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by torleafsfan29 on Nov 12, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

When I was watching that, I could see it coming, about 2-3 passes ahead. It was so obvious. Gotta admire how he picked the corner though. Stamkos is a beauty, as Don Cherry would say. So don’t give him a chance! Geez…

by Leaf in Habland on Nov 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Hell of a shot for sure.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

are they playing diamond or box? lol

looks like arrow formation… either formation wouldve worked… diamond wouldve seen stamkos covered, box wouldve seen the pass intercepted

by laple meafs on Nov 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

go back to the game in 6 from last night's recap

they start off with the box (Sjostrom is top right corner, from Giguere’s perspective).

When Tampa sets up the point play, the Leafs correctly shift to the diamond…. all except Sjostrom. For some reason, he goes blank and thinks that covering Brett Clark in the middle of the ice is more important than:

- keeping the diamond formation and…
- taking away 1 or 2 major passing lanes by…
- covering the most dangerous PP shooter

Wilson & Co could have had a brilliant PK plan, but we’ll never know. Sjostrom gets the goat horns on this one.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sjostrom isn’t just not covering Stamkos, he isn’t covering anybody.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

He’s covering the pass between Stamkos and Lecavalier, which is nice and all but he should be on the other side of the ice.

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by Ubiquitous on Nov 10, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

too bad with 5 ppl screening giguere he probably didnt even realize the pass went across to stamkos before the puck was behind him… Komi and Beauch were doing some serious napping

by laple meafs on Nov 10, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s generally just terrible PK coverage. The only person who is where they need to be is Mitchell.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

He could be covering the pass by being further out to his right.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Goals like this make me wonder

if Wilson is just telling our guys to get their bodies in front of every shot possible to block it, rather than playing sound positionally and keeping scoring chances to the outside…

Komisarek literally bolted from his man in front of the net to challenge stamkos’ shot..
gotta let your goalie try to make the save from that angle and clear the men out from in front of the net so Giggy can see those passes

by laple meafs on Nov 10, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

2 open men behind any Leaf is just inexcusable.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Komi sees what’s happening. Sjostrom is totally lost.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I can’t kill Komi because he’s trying to cover the league’s best shooter (left uncovered by Sjostrom). Beauchemin is where he is presumably because in the diamond he was trying to cover Lecavalier (who had dished to MSL), and he didn’t get back properly.

I hate the diamond too.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The diamond is OK against the umbrella. Too bad the Leafs are terrible at it.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He may be telling them to block shots

and they may be unclear of where their priorities should be… confusion can happen.

They’re going to make mistakes like this regularly, all PK’s make mistakes, the question becomes who are you making them against and do they bury their chances.

If only the Leafs moved the pucked more and faster on their OWN PP, they might get a few goals themselves.

I’m growing more and more disappointed in the ability level on this team though… Versteeg doesn’t seem to give a crap about defense the worse the slide gets, and I’m wondering if missing Armstrong and Phaneuf is what the problem is right now.

Both of those guys seem to have a positive impact on the rest of the club.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

when the 3rd line was clicking

it took alot of pressure off the 1st and 2nd line

by laple meafs on Nov 10, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The Leafs own a 78% PK. I don’t think “everybody makes mistakes” is a good excuse.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

if memory serves, this PP started out just fine, but the quick passing and having so many available weapons got the leafs running around, not saying that is an excuse, but the Bolts are pretty friggen good at this, of all the problems last night. this goal was the least of them

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

No, it’s about discipline and Sjostrom had none there.

But I’ll agree our 5v3 was a lot worse than this 4v5.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

shows just how important Shoestorm is to the leafs PK, when he is off, the whole fucking thing falls apart

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Our PP

is pathetic at this point. Burke needs to get a larger set of forwards… I don’t see any on the horizon though.

He needs a Backes, Iginla, Bourque, Malone, etc… someone with size that goes to the net..

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we need better coaching. As many have pointed out, MTL has had one of the best PPs in the game with puny forwards.

"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power

by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

montreal has much more skilled forwards

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

We have an elite sniper, an elite passer, and for most of the year an elite point-shot. Being unable to turn that into anything more than practically the worst PP in the league is to me a damning indictment of the coaching staff.

"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power

by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Our "elite sniper"

is not elite on the PP… he never has been.

Our elite passer and elite point shot have yet to produce anything together, largely because the point shot is fading in importance apparently. The elite passer can’t do much if nobody finishes.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Montreal's skilled forwards

have produced a lot more than the Leafs small forwards… Camalleri, Gomez, Gionta all have a much longer track record of production on the PP than any of the Leafs smaller forward crew.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Our PP is consistently worse than our 5v5.

"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power

by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming every penalty went the full two minutes we have 7PPG and 0 SHGA in 58 opportunities. That means that for every 60 minutes of power play time we net 3.62 goals.

On the PK we have 0SHGF and 10PKG in 46 opportunities. In every 60 minutes of PK time we net -6.52 goals.

At even strength we have 24GF and 26GA in the remaining time, giving us a net of -0.2 goals per 60 minutes.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for breaking it into per minute stats. So basically we’re even at evens and get doubled up on special teams.

I’m no NHL coach but I think we’ve identified the problem.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

this team needs more dodgeball

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can dodge a tennis ball, you can dodge a puck.
But coach, I’m the goalie.

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by SkinnyFish on Nov 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Lansky made it pretty clear that I’m an idiot for thinking we need to worry about special teams so I think you’re wrong here.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen this pattern before….

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by mf37 on Nov 10, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

teams make it look really easy to draw Leaf defenders out of position

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It is

I think of some of this is confidence also… we are way softer on the point… and our puck pursuit is ridiculously bad… chickens with the heads cut off.

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by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

On the plus side

we play Florida tonight, and they suck offensively almost as much as we do.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

They average 3.00 goals a game, good for a tie for 7th in the league. The Leafs average 2.21 goals a game, good for 29th.

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by SkinnyFish on Nov 10, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect a breakout year from Frolik; he’s got the goods.

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by fatassjackson on Nov 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

FLA’s PP is running at 8%

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

things that will probably happen tonight

- Florida’s PP will be 100% tonight
- we will make Salak/Markstrom/another last-minute 5th string starter look like a Vezina winner
- Matthias, Weiss, McArdle, Weaver, and McCabe [i.e. all the GTA Panthers] will have points in this game.
- I will punch a hole in the wall.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

In a traditional diamond PK, there are two options: One is that Stamkos is Sjostrom’s guy. If that’s the case, Komisarek has the guy standing in front of Giguere. Beauchemin should cover Lecavalier and then drop back to cover the weakside guy when Stamkos shoots.

Two is that Stamkos is Komisarek’s guy (and if that’s the case, he’s playing far too soft in his coverage). Beauchemin has the guy in front of the net, and Sjostrom is responsible for Lecavalier and the weak side guy at the crease.

When you watch the tape, it’s actually a brilliant set-up and great strategy by Boucher. When the pass goes back to St. Louis, it’s actually Brett Clark, #7 (red arrow), who Sjostrom has covered in the high slot. Komisarek has Stamkos to Giguere’s right. Instead of floating over to the top of the circle, Clark drives towards the net, leaving Sjostrom in no man’s land. Stamkos (green arrow) slides to the far face-off dot, and Komisarek is left trying to decide who to cover between Clark and Stamkos. He doesn’t react and Stamkos is wide open. That one little concept of sending a guy down the middle completely breaks down the diamond.

We got outcoached on that play, plain and simple.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

there is a reason Stammer has half his goals on the PP

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I know some people freaked out in the GDT when he said it, but I think Bowen was on the mark when he said Tampa’s PP is as close to undefendable as you can get.

The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.

by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

tampa’s pp is great, no doubt about it, but its not the job of the PK to make sure that no shots get taken… they need to limit chances and keep the other team to the outside

its about containment and not over-committing

Every time a player over-committs, even if he takes the other teams guy out, it just becomes a 4 on 3 which are better odds for the other team than a 5 on 4

play a passive box or triangle, keep shots to the outside and move people from in front of the net so that giguere can see cross ice passes and shots from bad angles.

Stamkoss goal did not come from a prime scoring area, we just didnt execute on defence

by laple meafs on Nov 10, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

With Stamkos out there I’d be comfortable running a 5 on 3 style triangle and having someone not let him get a one timer off.

It seems dumb and it’s probably defeatable eventually but it’s unexpected and that works a lot.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Not as dumb as what they actually did. I don’t think taking away the league’s greatest PP threat is a bad idea. Leave him open for a clear one-timer; you’re going ta have a bad time.

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by fatassjackson on Nov 10, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Just smother him. Make Tampa use a different strategy.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how well Tampa would react if you took away Stamkos as an option. They’re all so overloaded and peripheral on the strong side that it might really hurt them.

The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.

by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

GOAL MARTIN ST LOUIS

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure this would eventually happen, but I think it would take a few PP’s for Tampa to adjust strategy. If you limit penalties taken, might work out well.

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by fatassjackson on Nov 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it would take all of 30 seconds, especially since vinny and marty have been playing together forever and have a nack for finding each other in the offensive zone.

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Stamkos is better than St. Louis and their PP currently relies on him.

We’re basically turning the situation from a 5 on 4 with the best PP player in the league into a 4 on 3 without the best PP player in the league.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

we would also be using our fastest and best PK forward to take out their best PP asset

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

better than using our fastest and best PK forward to lightly cover Brett Clark for a few seconds, before losing track of the play and standing around while the horn goes off.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be an upgrade over the 15 seconds it currently takes.

The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.

by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Except St Louis was standing on the blue line. If everyone held their positions, you can try and box out St Louis as well.

And if you force them to drive the net, then that’s why Beauchemin & Komisarek are big and burly and are supposed to be the brick walls to prevent that.

If St Louis or Lecavalier or Stamkos dekes through the whole Leaf PK and beats us on a wicked shot, then thats just talent beating out everything. But I don’t like positional collapses making the opposition look like infallible geniuses.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

so you dont think that if say shoestorm becomes stamkos’ new coat for the whole PP that marty doesnt float into that open spot?

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

my point is you make them play through your PK. Mitchell, Beauchemin, Komisarek aren’t pushovers.

If St Louis & Lecavalier want to drive the net from the blue line, fine. Let them try.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a lot better than trying to stop a Stamkos slapshot. Its basically a railgun, if he has time to get it off, you wont stop it.
Therefore, take it away and make them do something else.

But I’m really just angry at Sjostrom for standing around doing nothing… which got me pissed off when Bowen called it “indefensible”
Wilson probably had a plan to stop it, and with Sjostrom drifting out more to cover Stamkos’ lanes maybe it actually works for a PK or two.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No argument here.

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by fatassjackson on Nov 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Stamkos’ goal came from a great scoring angle when you KNOW the goalie is going to have to extend to make the save. A strong pass to Stamkos from the overloaded far side means the goalie is almost never going to be perfectly square to the shot – and if he is, he probably cheated to Stamkos’ side. That’s fine if you’re talking about someone who may/may not hit the hole, but Stamkos is also the owner of the best forward’s slapshot in the league. I have to think that the only way to play Tampa’s PP is to dedicate someone to following Stamkos in, out, and around that circle, then playing the rest 4 on 3.

The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.

by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t get over the perfect placement of that shot, you couldnt put that puck in a better spot if you were allowed to slam dunk it

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Stamkos > Shaq

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by fatassjackson on Nov 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s an unreal player. That’s what happens when you shoot 500 pucks a day every day.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If he took a shot every 10 seconds for 500 pucks that’s 83 minutes a day shooting pucks one after the other, not including setting everything up, collecting pucks, etc.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

or counting the actual hockey games and hockey practices

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Tampa’s PP compared to the Leafs is like War & Peace compared to Cat in the Hat

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

One fish two fish
red fish blew coverage.

The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.

by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

except Dr. Seuss >>>>> Ron Wilson.

Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

What do those two words mean together?

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Who the hell knows anymore

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It hurts when we get out-coached by the Tampa Bay Lightning. A lot.

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by fatassjackson on Nov 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait I have an answer….
Maximizing the strengths and minimizing the weaknesses of your team and players on that team.

For example: making sure Stamkos and his orgasm inducing one-timer is wide open on the PP

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

We got outcoached on that play, plain and simple.

That goes for lots of our goals against, as well as our inability to score on 5 on 3s and the like.

Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right it’s a great job by Boucher but it’s eminently defensible if, when Clark drives the net, Sjostrom just picks up the world’s greatest one-time shooter. He has to be aware that’s coming given that all 4 Lightning players are now on the other side of the ice, and Stammer’s scored about a zillion goals from that exact spot in the past year.

"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power

by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s the thing. Every player on the Leafs should have seen this on video before. The problem is that during the normal flow of a game, you don’t always see things set up like you do on film. Sjostrom does screw up, but the whole play is designed to do exactly that.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, going back and reading this is soul crushing:

http://darcytucker.blogspot.com/2008/02/stampede-is-on.html

In February 2008 the standings looked like this:

Team GP Points
-- - -——
LAK 55 47
TAM 54 49
TOR 55 51
CHI 52 51
EDM 55 53

The Leafs were 2 pts ahead of Tampa. If they had sold hard at the deadline and just stunk…

Bonus: in 08 I photoshopped something: http://darcytucker.blogspot.com/2008/02/kings-6-flames-3_16.html

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Can we talk about re-building through the draft today? People have been derided (perhaps too strong a word) for discussing/hoping for the same in the past. With the failures of teams like Atlanta, Columbus and Florida pointed out.

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Atlanta is a misnomer because they had the centerpiece talent in the organization and let it get away. They traded away Heatley, Hossa, Coburn, and then Kovalchuk.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think misnomer means what you think it does.

Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

No... its a misnomer

“teams” in the original post is supposed to refer to ‘NHL teams’

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Essentially if you have a stupid GM rebuilding takes a long time.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Just look at Chicago

Consecutive 1st picks of Babchuk, Seabrook, Barker, Skille.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In Columbus

Zherdev, Picard, Brule, Brassard, Voracek

Name the franchise superstar savior…

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s isn’t only one round. You’ve named 2 teams that have done poorly.
I can…forget it, it still can’t be discussed

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

but that one round is what gets people's knickers in a bunch

if we are discussing the 2nd-7th rounds, then what difference is in this team compared with every Leaf team since 1990?

I’m taking the implicit assumption that you’re asking about the 1st round with the context of the Kessel trade and the draft rebuild we sacrificed when we got Kessel.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hanging onto and developing drafted players in general – including first round picks. You named 2 teams. I can name 2 right back. And the salary cap and cheap players, and loyalty to the organization who drafted you.,and not spending to ceiling and having no results, and the timing of THE trade and so on.
Seriously, forget it. It’s just a bad day

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebuilding through the draft hasn’t worked in Atlanta, Columbus, Florida, the Islanders, et al not because the strategy is unsound but because the team’s leadership, management and ownership structures are fundamentally unsound. You’re talking about unstable teams in weak, unstable markets and/or crazy managers who trade away players like Roberto Luongo and Zdeno Chara for Trevor Linden and a bag of pucks.

Also, building through the draft can work, but not in and of itself and not in a vacuum. Saying we should rebuild through the draft doesn’t suddenly mean a team stops looking for college free agents or taking a risk on an offer sheet or a trade. The best teams should be able to enact a plan that involves more than one concept. We’ve chosen to forego drafting in favour of some kind of retool on the fly. But this doesn’t mean there’s no value in drafting high, despite what people have been trying to rationalize (Daigle, Stefan, Lawton et al) ever since the Kessel deal.

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Islanders are getting a big wave of prospects and they’re happy drafting low. Josh Bailey could be for real, Nino looks good and they’re not done adding.

Has their rebuild taken awhile? Yes but they had to undo Milbury’s damage as well as start from scratch.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed, and so far the only hiccup in their draft was trading down for Dehaan, but they already had Tavares and that was a gamble worth taking if it worked out

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Of the teams that are often cited as not succeeding for using a draft-high strategy, I think the Islanders are in the best position for future success, on the ice. Other than say, LA. The problems with the Islanders are off-ice: no arena, crazy owner. Garth Snow has proven to be a much better GM than people gave him credit for.

I stand by what I said about Atlanta, Columbus, Florida etc. If they could have kept the good players they drafted over the years/drafted well (drafting high and drafting high well are two different things) and were in stable markets such as Toronto or Montreal, they wouldn’t be the laughingstocks of the league for more than a decade.

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Charles Wang is a crazy owner.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

zig'd for pure insanity

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by mudie on Nov 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

10 bucks says you give a standing ovation to the first guy shows up in a pickle barrel, whirling a ginger cat over his head.

by not norm ullman on Nov 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think I’d wait to see anything beyond the pickle barrel before cheering.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Sjostrom’s posture. You can tell he’s basically crapping his pants as he desperately tries to reverse course and get over there. Is there a more frightening sight in the NHL right now than Stamkos wide open at the dot with his stick raised waiting for the one-timer?

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 10, 2010 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

what he sees:

His whole life sitting on Orr’s knuckle as it flashes before his eyes.

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 10, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno man, I think I’d rather get punched once by Orr than be in between Stamkos’ shot and the net.

He was hitting 107 on the gun in that Bauer video.

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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but the puck wouldnt laugh at you after

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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