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What's the Best Strategy for the Shootout?

Last week's shootouts against he Capitals and Sabres were very frustrating to watch. Our best offensive threat, Phil Kessel, went 0 for 2; one a shot into the pads and another a feeble attempt at a deke. Versteeg continued his half-assing with a lackadaisical shot on Enroth and the Kulemin move didn't work. Only John Mitchell was able to find the back of the net on one of his awesome dekes. I don't know about you, but I get very frustrated seeing players in the shootout skate right down the middle and shoot directly into the goalie. So that got me thinking, is it better to deke or shoot in the shootout?

All of the figures and stats I use in this post can be found in this spreadsheet. All data pulled from NHL.com

Going back to the lockout, players have a 32.88% success rate in the shootout; a high of 33.71% in 2008-09 and a low of 32.12% last season. This season, with a low sample size of only 106 shootout attempts, the success rate is 34.91%. Basically the numbers say that players have a 1 in 3 chance of scoring in a shootout. (Wasn't the shootout implemented so there'd be more goal scoring?) Ok, well those are overall numbers. Do the players have the ability to increase their chances depending on shot selection; do they deke or do they shoot? It turns out they can. Follow me after the jump for the numbers.

Star-divide

To compile stats on deke vs shot scoring percentages, I watched video of every shootout in the NHL this season. For those counting at home, there have been 16 so far. I then judged, based on the replays, whether or not a shooter deked the goalie or took a shot. This is somewhat subjective but check out the spreadsheet and let me know if you have any disagreements. I then recorded missed dekes, missed shots, goal dekes, and goal shots as well as who the shooter and the goalie were.

After 106 shootout attempt reviews, here are the numbers:

Players deke 54.72 % of the time (58 out of 106 attempts)

Players shoot 45.28% of the time (48 out of 106 attempts)

Those who elect to deke, score 37.93% of the time (22 goals on 58 attempts)

Those who elect to shoot, score 31.25% of the time (15 goals on 48 attempts)

Also of note, from my observations it seemed that those who deked had more chances to score but simply missed the net, (See Corey Perry's attempt where he beats Chris Mason but misses a wide open net) whereas, those who elected to shoot, when they missed, almost always put the puck directly into a goalie's pads. So there's a case to be made that players miss by less when dekeing.

Leafs shooters have shot 3 times, missing them all, and deked 4 times with only John Mitchell scoring. Below average.

Toronto's shootout percentage has steadily risen each year since the lockout all the way up to 3rd in the league last year with a 45% success rate. I'm going to attribute this to the donning of the rally caps.

So in conclusion, for the best chance of scoring in a shootout, players should deke instead of shoot. To keep up on the data, I'm going to update my spreadsheet after every shootout and will repost the findings at the end of the season.

...............................

Well enough about shooters, what about the goalies? How do you beat them? Time to don my scouting cap and give you some grade A advice on what to do against specific goalies in the shootout based on their play so far this season. (Sure some of these have small sample sizes, but it's just for good fun)

Niklas Backstrom of the Wild - 3 goals on 4 dekes; 1 goal on 4 shots - Deke

Ilya Bryzgalov of the Coyotes - 0 goals on 2 dekes; 1 goal on 1 shot - Shoot

Peter Budaj of the Avalanche - 0 goals on 3 dekes; 0 goals on 2 shots - Pray

Chris Mason of the Thrashers - 0 goals on 3 dekes; 1 goal on 1 shot - Hit the net Corey Perry

Ty Conklin of the Blues - 2 goals on 2 dekes; 1 goal on 1 shot - Sound the goal horn

Rick DiPietro of the Islanders - 1 goal on 1 deke; 1 goal on 3 shots - Deke and pull his groin

Devan Dubnyk of the Oilers - 1 goal on 1 deke; 1 goal on 1 shot - LOiLers

Jhonas Enroth of the Sabres - 1 goal on 2 dekes; 0 goals on 3 shots - Everyone stops the Leafs

J.S. Giguere of the Leafs - 1 goal on 3 dekes; 1 goal on 3 shots - Shoot or deke high glove

Jonas Gustavsson of the Leafs - 1 goal on 2 dekes; 1 goal on 1 shot - Ovie and Semin are going to score every time

Jaroslav Halak of the Blues - 1 goal on 2 dekes; 0 goals on 3 shots - Pray

Jonas Hiller of the Ducks - 0 goals on 1 deke; 1 goal on 3 shots - Nigel Dawes?

Jimmy Howard of the Red Wings - 1 goal on 3 dekes; 0 goals on 3 shots - Beat him before the shootout

Brent Johnson of the Penguins - 0 goals on 2 dekes; 0 goals on 1 shot - Watch for the poke-check

Nikolai Khabibulin of the Oilers - 0 goals on 1 dekes; 1 goal on 1 shot - You went to a shootout against the Oilers?

Miikka Kiprusoff of the Flames - 0 goals on 3 dekes; 0 goals on 0 shots - Too good for dekes, switching to shots

Kari Lehtonen of the Stars - 1 goal on 3 dekes; 0 goals on 2 shots - Be Brad Boyes

Roberto Luongo of the Canucks - 2 goals on 2 shots; 3 goals on 3 shots - Put in Cory Schneider cold like Julie Gaffney in Mighty Ducks 2

Michal Neuvirth of the Capitals - 0 goals on 2 dekes; 0 goals on 0 shots - The Leafs don't strike again

Ondrej Pavelec of the Thrashers - 3 goals on 4 dekes; 0 goals on 2 shots - DEKE

Jonathan Quick of the Kings - 1 goal on 3 dekes; 0 goals on 3 shots - And Bernier is even better

Steve Mason of the Blue Jackets - 0 goals on 1 deke; 0 goals on 1 shot - You couldn't beat Columbus in regulation?

Marty Turco of the Blackhawks - 1 goal on 4 dekes; 2 goals on 4 shots - Take advantage of his slow, old man reflexes

Cam Ward of the Hurricanes - 0 goals on 2 dekes; 1 goal on 1 shot - Shoot hard enough to slice his leg

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In last night's Buffalo-New Jersey shootout

Players deked twice, scoring both times.
They shot (or in Kovalchuk’s case tried to shoot) 6 times, scoring only once

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by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Traditionally, the best shootout strategy for Toronto has been to not get to the shootout at all.

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 11, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

You didn't RTFA
Toronto’s shootout percentage has steadily risen each year since the lockout all the way up to 3rd in the league last year with a 45% success rate. I’m going to attribute this to the donning of the rally caps.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s so long, and all the words confuses me but fine.

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 11, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Question

The shootout percentage, is that the percentage of shootout goals or the actual percentage of shootout wins?

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 11, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Shootout goals only. I’m not tracking wins or losses.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

We seriously need some regulation wins.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 11, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome

Thanks for joining and for that brilliant insight.

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by PPP on Nov 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Venn Diagram

I pulled something interesting out of your data:

Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.

by mf37 on Nov 11, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

worst show.

...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd.

by Fergus30 on Nov 11, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It’s the kind of show that annoys me so much that if someone in the room has it on, I need to leave.

Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?

by JP Nikota on Nov 11, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

That Charlie Sheen is one funny guy.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Loved Charlie Sheen in the original Wall Street. He’s incredibly talented but he is wasting his talents on Two and a Half Men.

by chess2004132 on Nov 11, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d waste my talent If I was given a dump-truck full of money every week

by PKSube on Nov 11, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Swap in Breaking Bad and that diagram can speak for me any time.

by The Muppet on Nov 11, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

And since I don't

and since I just came from giving a lecture on the statistical significance of differences in proportions, I tested SkinnyFish’s deke v. shoot data for this season. Unfortunately the p-value came in at 0.236, which is much too high to conclude that deking is definitely better than shooting (you’d have a 23.6% chance of being wrong). A larger sample size is needed…

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Nov 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

To keep up on the data, I’m going to update my spreadsheet after every shootout and will repost the findings at the end of the season.

Should end up with anywhere from 1000 to 1250 attempts by April which should eliminate the noise.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The same splits over 1000 total shootouts would produce a p-value of 0.014. Ah, the power of large samples…

Then, of course, we could discuss independence and autocorrelation, or I could stop being a nerd and just say deking is better than shooting.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Nov 11, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

or I could stop being a nerd and just say deking is better than shooting.

Thanks for agreeing with me……nerd.

But yeah, end of the season, do you statistical wizardry and let me know if there’s actually a pattern or if it’s all just noise.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That goes without saying. Unfortunately, we’re not in charge :(

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by PPP on Nov 11, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and green.

fucking shootout.

SOL stands for more than ‘Shoot Out Loss’

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 11, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Goalie stays deep in the net, you shoot. Goalie comes out and challenges, you deke. I’ve always known that to be the general rule. Your breakdown by goalie suggests what their tendency is.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 11, 2010 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Watching a lot of the videos, it became apparent if a guy was going to shoot or deke by the time he got to the blueline.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The goalie is always going to come out and challenge. If you can get him to back in too far, then you shoot. If he’s backing in more slowly than you’re advancing, deke.

The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.

by Bower Power on Nov 11, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss Mats Sundin and his two moves that seemed to work almost all the time. His deadly shot or his incredible backhand. Either way the goalies could only pray to stop it.

I lost a bet.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 11, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

Oh that backhand… sigh…

Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?

by JP Nikota on Nov 12, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

GET IN CLOSE &THEN LET RIP WITH A GREAT BIG FRIGGIN’ SLAPPER!

Admit it. It’s what we all want to see, at least once a shootout.

Or if it’s the Habs, 3 for 3. (Two of which better take Price in snout, or you’re benched.)

by not norm ullman on Nov 11, 2010 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

I’d love to see a guy like Phaneuf do that.

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by PPP on Nov 11, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If Phaneuf took a slap shot from five feet away some small child in the third row would get smoked in the face after the puck goes through the glass

I lost a bet.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 11, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

and he/she would have a scar (to treasure) and a huge settlement (to live off) for the rest of his/her life.

I B-Leaf

by BCapp on Nov 11, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I volunteer for this role

Every day is a great day for hockey

by Leafer87 on Nov 11, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you not see Alex Semin’s slapshot from the hashmarks last week? Twas nuts.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

First guy going in

Goes for a “deke” and smashes the goalie in the glove hand. Than shoot for the glove corner after that.

I B-Leaf

by BCapp on Nov 11, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Is it legal to just plow into the net with the puck on your stick and hope it trickles in with you and the goalie?

by somny on Nov 11, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

Put Colton Orr in the shootout

by PKSube on Nov 11, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

and then have him lightly push the puck towards the net, skate head long towards the goalie, drop his stick and TORRpedo him.

Also, he has to be the first one listed to shoot for us.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 11, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Correlation v causation problem:

Skaters that deke score marginally more than those who shoot, but could that not be because skaters who choose to deke generally have better hands and so are more likely to score that way? I.e. if all players who shot deked instead, couldn’t it turn out that none of them score because they’re crap at deking, which is why they usually shoot instead?

It seems like there could be other reasons for the fact that dekes work more often. Not necessarily a simple “deking is generally better”. Not saying one is more likely, but just that it seems like it could be more complicated than is suggested. Here endeth boring LSAT-esque analysis.

Come get your duds in order...

by The Bag on Nov 11, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think Claude Giroux may be artificially raising the probability of deke’s resulting in shoot-out goals

by PKSube on Nov 11, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points

SkinnyFish is hoping to do more once the season is over and there are more instances.

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by PPP on Nov 11, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s more a study on the goalies than the shooters, and they let in more dekes than shots.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 11, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

3 Categories:

1. Deke.
2. Shoot.
3. Great Big Friggin’ Slappers.

Seriously. Slappers ALWAYS work.

by not norm ullman on Nov 12, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t Brian Rolston use the slapper in the first year of the shootout or something?

I lost a bet.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 12, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

That’s the strategy to avoid shootouts. This is strategy to win in shootouts.

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by PPP on Nov 12, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

People have a hard time understanding things.

Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Nov 12, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

so….score goals in the shoot outs and dont get scored on in the shoot outs?
that should work I think

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 12, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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