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Some interesting tidbits:
- Nazem Kadri is driving offensive results
- The MGK Line are beasts
- Francois Beauchemin allows the fewest chances against per 60 minutes of EV time
- Jonas Gustavsson is hated by the penalty killers

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Kulemin and Grabbo need more PK time. Sjostrom and Brent aren’t getting it done.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 29, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

I’d like them to try someone else with Sjostrom. Brent seems to be in panic mode or something to me, but I’m no expert.

Foooooood.

by fatassjackson on Nov 29, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

JFM

I am in favour of any advanced statistics that can sum up John Mitchell’s output as “-22.57”

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by pevans on Nov 29, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

unless i misread it, Mitchell the sum total output of Mitchell’s more than 5 minutes of PP time this season is two chances AGAINST us.

Christ, what a maroon….

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by pevans on Nov 29, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless I misread it, Mitchell + Hockey = Garbage

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Gustavsson is great at evens but his PK sv% is brutal. He’s trying to carry the team on his back but he’s getting burned every time they take a penalty.

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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 29, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

And I’ve really loved watching Nazem Kadri play so far. He’s a little on the weak side but he has this shiftyness and vision that nobody else on the team possesses.

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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He gets knocked around a fair amount, but he makes up for it with his vision and knack for drawing penalties.

Foooooood.

by fatassjackson on Nov 29, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

once he gets some better core strength and develops better NHL speed he will be something to behold

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 29, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Haven’t you heard? He has nasty habits

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

step one for Naz
Shoot the fucking puck faster

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 29, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, glad he’s thinking pass first, but selfish Naz will score moar goals.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 29, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

there were two times last game where a quick shot would have been an easy goal for him

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good call. He’s holding on to the puck wayyyy too long when he gets those chances. Kessel should give him a few pointers

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He does

Read the newest fanpost. Or the story on the Richards’ goal.

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by PPP on Nov 29, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I know he does (as is expected).. just still bitter about when Wilson said that to the media, while John Mitchell can do no wrong.

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

of everything John Mitchell is, he isnt a floater
he works his bag off, he just isnt that good at doing anything with that hustle

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but not being good is also a great reason to bench a guy.

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by PPP on Nov 29, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

PK save percentage isn’t:

1. repeatable year to year
2. closely correlated with even strength save percentage

Essentially it has a lot to do with how bad your team’s PK is and has a lot of variation due to small sample size.

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by Chemmy on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Can’t really base Gustavssons performance on his PK SV%

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

These are the Gustavsson Maple Leafs right now, no doubt about it

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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 29, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure.

I dread the day when they’re the “Mitchell Maple Leafs”

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Something that would help his PK SV% dramatically, that requires no change on Gustavsson’s part would be if Komisarek and Beauchemin would stop fucking jumping in front of pucks and screening him instead of just letting Gustavsson see the puck and the D clear rebounds and box out opposing forwards.

Because that is how most of the powerplay goals against are going in. Forward’s coverage breaks down. Defence overcompensate for shot. Goalie can’t see a fucking thing. Gustavsson should just take a swing at Komisarek’s ankles the next time he does that.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 29, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Both Sabres’ powerplay goals were on screens because those two were trying to block the shot.

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by PPP on Nov 29, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I read something on copper and blue

That you can look at a full seasons PK S% for a starter and get decent analytical results. But you need those numbers to get up to a ~1000 SA

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by BCapp on Nov 29, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Kiprusoff led the league in shots faced two years at around 2200. 1000 shots on the PK seems awfully high, that’d be around 13 a game for him.

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by Chemmy on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I am trying to remember what I read. I must just have the number wrong.

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by BCapp on Nov 29, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Found it

Link

It was ~1000 since the lockout. It was low 300s on average for a single year.

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by BCapp on Nov 29, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That says to me that in a three year period a goalie’s PK SV% can jump by .05.

Also that hasn’t charted PK SV% vs. EV SV% to look for a correlation.

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by Chemmy on Nov 29, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I was just trying to dredge something from memory…

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by BCapp on Nov 29, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you’re saying is that we should give Holzer the “C”, right?

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if there is a compilation of stats out there that won’t make me cringe at the Zigomanis demotion. I agree with Slava’s notion that Orr doesn’t need to play every night. It’s too bad we no longer have a good utility player, i.e. the Zig-man, to sub in the lineup. Obviously he can play better D and win way moar faceoffs than Orr. Brent seems to be losing his touch nowadays as well. Ugh

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by fatassjackson on Nov 29, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

I’d really like to know what Zigomanis said/did to get sent down. The only possibly explanation is that he offended the wrong person. That, or Ron Wilson is out of his mind… hmmmm

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

  • possible

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by maplestirup on Nov 29, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

As every game passes, it makes less and less sense. Obviously he isn’t going to help our offense, but our PK could really use some key faceoff wins.

Foooooood.

by fatassjackson on Nov 29, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He would have had to clear waivers if they held onto him longer. I believe this is why the move was made.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 29, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And this one gets little attention:

“Francois Beauchemin allows the fewest chances against per 60 minutes of EV time”

For the amount of ice time this guy plays, he does fine. Ideally he’d be playing second pairing minutes.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 29, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

To borrow a phrase from Chemmy, this is why we should trade the shit out of him at the deadline

Contenders should be knocking our doors down to acquire him, and we spend 9,000 comments in another thread extolling why we need first rounders to get the kind of players we need to become elite.

We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t at this point. Get first rounders out of Beauchemin and Kaberle, and roll the dice with our other young blue-liners.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 29, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait what I like Beauchemin he’s cheap and the core of our D and won’t get us assets.

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by Chemmy on Nov 29, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Beauchemin for Clowe!

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 29, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Kaberle, Kulemin, Beuachemin
For
Setoguchi!

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by BCapp on Nov 29, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

god no

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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 29, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I borrowed the “blank the shit/piss/balls” from you.

I know you’re a Beauchemin fan, but I don’t know how we get better without giving him up. Phaneuf and Komisarek aren’t going anywhere with those contracts and giving up Schenn to keep a 30 year old makes no goddamn sense.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 29, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Beauchemin’s cheap. The “saw him good” crowd hates him which means he won’t bring in a first rounder or first line player.

He has more value relative to his contract here than whatever we’d get for him.

Do not trade.

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by Chemmy on Nov 29, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

clown

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Nov 29, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you make the team better?

MacArthur might fetch a 2nd.
Kaberle might fetch a 1st if he’s a) available and b) willing to waive his NTC
Who else? Everyone else ether has a bad contract, too young, or doesn’t have tangible trade value.

If you can trade Kaberle before Beauchemin, I’d sign off. But I don’t know how likely that is.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 29, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Kaberle won’t get us a first with less than a year left on his contract.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 29, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

if a team thought they were all but guarenteed to make the conference finals, they might give up a 28th over all pick but no higher

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 29, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

One other condition: If Kaberle agreed to extend with the team.

If I remember correctly, one of the big things that dropped demand for Kaberle over the summer was that Burke wouldn’t let other teams talk extension with Kabby (presumably because Kabby had given him a blanket “I won’t”).

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by Bower Power on Nov 29, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This is great stuff. Good read, and very revealing information. BUT OMG BEAUCHEMIN SUCKS SO HAAARD!!!

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Nov 29, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

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