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Caps 5 Leafs 4 (SO) - Gustavsson Gets Us A Point

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[Slava Duris' Scoring Chances]

The Leafs opened this game by almost getting scored on. With the puck on the goal line Luke Schenn swatted it at Gustavsson and it bounced off the goaltender forcing Schenn to sweep it off the goal line a second time. Fortunately  Nikolai Kulemin danced around the slot before burying a beauty shot past Michal Neuvirth late in the period to put the Buds up 1-0.

In the second period the wheels fell off the wagon. On the PK, a disaster of late, Mike Green dropped low into the right faceoff circle and buried a puck past Jonas Gustavsson that he had no chance on. Tim Brent probably should have had a stick on it. Four minutes later Jason Chimera slipped in untouched by Grabovski with Lebda way out of position to fire a one timer in to make it 2-1. Fifty three seconds later John Carlson fired a puck that was tipped by Tomas Fleischmann to make it 3-1 Caps.

Star-divide

It looked like this game was over but Jonas Gustavsson did this anyways:

Apologies for the crummy quality, the NHL.tv videos aren't up yet. In case you can't see: with the net wide open Jonas Gustavsson reaches out with the tip of his stick and knocks away a shot by Niklas Backstrom.

In the third period the Leafs got revenge. Tomas Kaberle scored a wrister with Mike Brown screening, Kris Versteeg scored on a breakaway with the ref's hand in the air and Tyler Bozak jammed home a rebound off a Kaberle laser on the power play.

At the end of the third Brett Lebda took a very iffy penalty for a cross check and the Caps turned the game into a shooting gallery. Gustavsson bailed them out, John Mitchell got the puck and then... failed to clear it. Just like that Ovechkin broke his stick taking a shot, the puck hit a leg, a stick laying on the ground and went right to Alex Semin; tie game.

In OT Francois Beauchemin slashed Alex Ovechkin's stick which sent Clarke MacArthurt to the box. NHL.com is full of shit if they're seriously claiming the Caps only had two shots in OT. I'd say the number was closer to ten. Again, Gustavsson bailed the Leafs out. Kessel had a great rush, a great backcheck and another great rush in OT but the game went to a shootout and the rest is history.

Pluses:

- Defense. Mike Komisarek played 26:00 tonight with Dion Phaneuf out of the lineup. Tomas Kaberle made a good defensive play in OT to lay out and block a shot along with a goal and two assists (NHL.com crediting Mike Brown for the goal, I watched it five times on replay here and don't think he touched it). Luke Schenn still looks steady.

- Versteeg and Bozak. Our secondary scoring showed up tonight and we needed it. Versteeg's beauty and Bozak's hard work goal hopefully kickstart their slow starts.

- Gustavsson. Jonas Gustavsson willed the Leafs into a comeback tonight. He made several saves that should have been goals. He was much better tonight than his 26-30 stat line shows.

Minuses:

- Kessel was invisible until OT.

- Our PK seems to be collapsing too deep into the zone and it isn't clearing pucks. John Mitchell's failed clear sticks out tonight but it's happened with increasing regularity lately.

- Our PP went 1/4 tonight but still lacks creativity and doesn't move fast enough.

PPP Three Stars:

1. Alex Semin

2. Jonas Gustavsson

3. Alex Ovechkin

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In other news, D’Amigo and Aulie have their first goals of the season tonight.

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Rosehill too!

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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 3, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also Reimer left after one period. I wonder if he got hurt?

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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did, although not many details yet available. Rynnas hasn’t played well this season either.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

seemed to hold the fort tonight, but I’m not sure of the quality of the San Antonio lineup.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 3, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

.915 Reimer, .905 Rynnas. Neither is terrible.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 4, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good goalies in the AHL should put up .920+

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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rynnas is still very raw, and with so many rookie pros the Marlies aren’t going to be good this year.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I said “not terrible” rather than “good”. I thought Rynnas started out in the Toskala zone so he seems to be trending up.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 4, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prior to last nights game, Rynnas had like an .885 sv %.

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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 4, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m particularly happy with Komi’s game of late. He’s really just getting the job done. Also, Yakov Mironov is a stone-cold Oracle- he bitched out Versteeg and Bozak literally seconds before they scored.

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by kidkawartha on Nov 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Leafs played ugly tonight: they scrapped in front of the net and scored because of it. I said last night that I hoped the third period of the Sens game would convince them to do that; hopefully it’s taking root.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can’t honestly say this team is terrible, Chemmy. Middle of the pack? Sure. We have just as much potential to catch fire as we do to crash, and we seem to not be quitting very much.

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by kidkawartha on Nov 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stalberg just set up the game tying goal in the third for CHI on the PP.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

don’t do this to yourself

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Versteeg keeps scoring I’m ok losing Stalberg. And I’m happy for Stalberg either way.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

same

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by Leafer87 on Nov 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keeps scoring? He’s got 2 goals in 11 games. If he starts scoring, I’m okay losing Stalberg.

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by Blinky on Nov 3, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

would you trade stalberg for versteeg straight up?

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by Fergus30 on Nov 3, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on if Versteeg gets his shit together or not.

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by Blinky on Nov 3, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s not… quite an answer.

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by Fergus30 on Nov 3, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

these types of questions can only be answered with hindsight and the data to make one’s opinion seem genius.

i’m a fool, but i’d still trade Versteeg for Stalberg straight up.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stalberg only has 6 points in 14 GP. It’s not like he’s having a break-out season. Versteeg has been crummy, but he at least has a history of production.

by World's Worst Man on Nov 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

- Versteeg and Bozak. Our secondary scoring showed up tonight and we needed it. Versteeg’s beauty and Bozak’s hard work goal hopefully kickstart their slow starts.

Wouldn’t you consider these dudes + Phil our primary scoring?

by lucc on Nov 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Leaf’s scoring depth chart:
1. Kessel Kessel Kessel
2. Everyone else.

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by kidkawartha on Nov 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I, uh, hmmm

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s the problem. They’re secondary scorers, but not on this team

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone pointed this out to Burke when he was talking about secondary scoring last night.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

did he change the subject?

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was basically the end of the presser.

“Primary, secondary, whatever, we’ve got guys we need to score goals that aren’t scoring goals.”

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s dreaming. We knew goal scoring was going to be an issue before camp started up.

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dreaming seems a little harsh. Versteeg, Grabbo and Kulemin should be scoring.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but even Burke knows that those guys aren’t reliable primary scoring options.

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure. And I’d brush off the question in the same manner if I knew that.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s right though.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Myers -2 tonight HAW HAW HAW

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

He’ll never win a second Vezina trophy that way.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 3, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy balls it’s empty in PHX-NSH.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Biz Nasty is a healthy scratch. That’s why.

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by Fergus30 on Nov 3, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.twitpic.com/33pgwd

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biz Nasty draws crowds dood

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by Fergus30 on Nov 3, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like T Hair, but I can’t fathom a way the Coyotes can draw consistently.

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sustained winning seasons with a single, identifiable player who is advertise-able as a superstar. I think that’s the formula to bring a crowd anywhere.

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by Bower Power on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

with AT LEAST ONE identifiable player…

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 3, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might be Phoenix’s luck, but they’ve never drafted a real stud there.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 3, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They thought they did with Kyle Turris, and his door isn’t closed yet, but I’m sure they were hoping he would’ve made a larger impact at this stage in his career.

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by PassivelyTruculent on Nov 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's got to be a sore spot to have a #3 not pan out as quick as you like

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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially when you got major financial woes.

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by PassivelyTruculent on Nov 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like a Burlington Cougars game.

by Shield on Nov 3, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like both these teams, too bad about their financial problems. They also have rosters filled with sweet hockey player names:

Vernon Fiddler
Shea Weber
Ryan Suter
Shane Doan
Martin Hanzal
Keith Yandle
Taylor Pyatt
Cal O’Reilly
Cody Franson

Just a bunch of sweet names if ya ask me.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nashville’s drawing decent crowds this year.

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

94% full

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t they have terrible attendance problems when they were going through their ownership issues too?

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

not this bad.

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s not just Phoenix though. Atlanta is getting less than 10k a game as well

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few teams are awful this year. There have been several games under 10k this season already.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Columbus are just about the worst

Consistently under 10k, although they do have a truly terrible team

by PKSube on Nov 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

7-4-0. But that market is small and is tired of supporting a loser. They’re in trouble.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Buckeyes hockey bigger than the Jackets?

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

COLLEGE FOOTBALL

and everything else is secondary (if they’re lucky..)

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh i know that, i was wondering about

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by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have hockey in Ohio…?

(queue thatsthejoke.jpg)

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its something I heard thats all. I know we have some NCAA afficianados here.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was in Columbus this summer for a wedding. Didn’t meet anyone who wanted to talk hockey.

For reference I’ve talked hockey with people in Mexico, the Bahamas, San Diego…

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Team with poor ownership/marketing that plays at the same time of the year as the Buckeyes, and has made the playoffs ONCE in a ten-year existence. And, that one time, they went 0-4.

On paper, it seems simple why that franchise hasn’t taken off.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure that a league should expand into a market if that market needs to constantly win for it to be successful.

Everyone supports a winner, not every team can be a winner. We could sidetrack into why every market having the same chance is dumb but I’ll leave it at that.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on that. Though the question then is: does Columbus need to win constantly/consistently, or just win? A lot of decent markets will falter when they constantly produce winners. Look at Chicago now compared to three years ago; back then, they were about as popular as the MLS.

There’s a line in the sand between the two, and I honestly think Columbus might fall be the example of what you’re talking about, but because they can’t seem to get their act together, it’s hard to tell.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

**constantly produce losers

I’m tired and making typos apparently

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago is definitely not the standard hockey story when it comes to why they weren’t drawing at home.

Colorado looked like they might slip with Sakic’s retirement, but I haven’t really paid attention to attendance numbers for them.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago’s ownership did everything they could to ruin that market.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

and failed

good on Chicago.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

err

Chicago, the city, not the owners of the franchise.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Chicago isn’t the best example, since ownership did all it could to burn bridges with the community.

Let’s use a better one: Washington. A decent hockey market, hit rock bottom around 2003-2007, and it’s just as popular as over now that they’ve gone from cellar dweller to playoff team.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

better parallel. good question…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone loves a winner. If you have the most exciting player in hockey and a winning team it’s not hard to fill seats.

Still Washington is different than Montreal or Toronto. You can get seats on Stubhub for Sunday’s game against Philly for $35.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and if the game isn’t sold out that number will nosedive on Sunday.

That might be how I routinely get tickets.

Washington’s a unique animal, though. We’ve always had hockey fans, it’s just that most of them in the area are all fans of some other team. Also we’re mostly in the suburbs. Mostly.

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by Whiter Mage on Nov 4, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Leafs of the last 5 years are letting other teams win for the good of the league.

by Its Cold In Here on Nov 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least phoenix’s patterns show that it’s possible to make a team work there. They averaged around 14,000 – 15,000 per game every season up until last year when they fell off a cliff. Expecting fans to support a team when there’s no stable ownership seems rather illogical.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh true

The Islanders’ attendance was even worse for a while though. Averaging 9,000 for one season??? Ouch!

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats great to hear. I REALLY like the Preds, I want them to have the money to actually re-sign the wicked D they are developing, and maybe bring in a few free agents. Imagine you were a GM with Nashville’s current roster, prospects, cap space AND an unlimited budget!

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also have solid ownership now and they win. Can’t say the same for Phoenix, Atlanta, or Columbus

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Behind the Net had a really interesting break down of Columbus the other day. Basically if they weren’t in the Central they’d probably win a lot more.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They get big draw games against the Wings and Hawks though too, I imagine.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, if they were in the East, they’d likely draw into a divison with us and Montreal.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we’re the powerhouses that Detroit etc. have been?

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping it was a reply fail for the “big draw games against the Wings and Hawks”.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was responding to Samspade, and it was a reply fail.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhhhhhhhhh

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fail or not, you have a good point.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Where marketable opponents backfire, however, is that their fans may just outdraw yours (see: Leafs at Panthers).

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Poile is a beast at using small market funds to make a team playoff worthy.

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by Whiter Mage on Nov 4, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Nashville was even in the middle of the pack payroll wise, they’d be fucking terrifying.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i know...

remember when they had to purge vokoun, timonen, zidlicky, hartnell, upshall, and kariya in one season because of $$$?

and given that they mishandled radulov, they could have been really, really solid

by Death_By_Leafs on Nov 4, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ill be interested in seeing how the Caps attendance drops off once this regular season dynasty drops off.

by BlindSight on Nov 3, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few stats on Komisarek and Beauchemin tonight,

Komisarek played 8.1 minutes against Ovechkin (2nd most, only 0.1 behind Schenn), was on for 8 more defensive zone faceoffs than offensive zone faceoffs, and came out ahead in the scoring chance tally at +1 (8-7 at EV).

Beauchemin played 7.3 minutes against Ovechkin, was also on for 8 more defensive zone draws than OZs, and had a SC plus/minus of +7 (9-2)!

by Slava Duris #24 on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I really liked the tally on the OTT game. Really highlights how much better our power play needs to be.

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by Bower Power on Nov 3, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really love the work you’re doing on this. Thank you.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but was Green up against our top line talent?

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 3, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

think he proved tonight why he has that reputation he deserves.

by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 3, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beauchemin takes way more crap that he deserves, in my opinion. Look at the huge minutes he played.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

does he make a mistake every now and then? Yes. thats why he’s a $3+ mil defenseman and not a $5 mil defenseman. For the money he makes he does his job.

by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank heavens for that

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe but did you see that giveaway in the defensive zone at the end of the 3rd? That was nasty.

by BlindSight on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. But I thought other than that he played very well against Caps top line. Guy works his tail off.

Turnovers have been his problem. I wonder if he’s just overused.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s probably playing above his comfort level. He’s relied upon as a #1 defender and he’s better suited as a #2 or #3

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’d be (and has been) an excellent 2/3, behind Nieds and Pronger. Makes me wonder about Dan Hamhuis to be honest.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he is used in the wrong manner. Everyone thinks of him as the steady defenseman who’ll clean up his partner’s mistakes since he played so many minutes in Anaheim, when really it is just as likely that Niedermayer was cleaning up his mistakes.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah perhaps. I just hope he thinks a bit more about his passes. That giveaway came awfully close to a very late game goal.

by BlindSight on Nov 3, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turnovers have been his problem.

amen. nobody seems to believe me though…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the other thread someone posted a list of the D men with the most turn overs per 60 minutes. What does it say about that stat when some of the better dmen in the league were on that list?

Not that im denying Beauch may have an issue, look what happened at the end of the game. I just think giveaways may be a misleading stat.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s 6th in the league, either raw or per 60. ti doesn’t change.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith was on the list too.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, and Kaberle. But everyone seems to notice when he coughs the puck up.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s been much better this year.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players that play lots of minutes and have the puck are going to be high on lists of giveaways. That’s just science. It’d be nice to see that acknowledged.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like hits and blocked shots giveaways and takeaways are very subjectively scored.

Beauchemin’s pass to Ovechkin at the end of the third was horrible but I don’t see it that often.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

subjective defintiely

grossly over or underscored? i don’t think so. id’ say that, in the big picture, that variance works itself out, and it doesn’t change the fact that he seems to cough the puck up a lot.

is it 16 times so far, or is it 14? is it that big a difference if he’s playing the big tough minutes against the top opposition lines? to me, if he’s playing those big minutes, and turning the puck over, that’s not a good thing.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harder opposition will force more turnovers, and the stats could be seriously skewed. Cal Clutterbuck’s home and away hit totals are drastically different for example.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it would be less of an issue if he was creating a fair amount of turnovers himself, but so far this season, it’s been a one way street.

i’m willing to wait it out, just not as overly thrilled with his play as other folks are, and I think the stats do bear some of that story out. to ignore them outright would be foolish.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This bothers me about Grabovski too; people fault him for turnovers and point to the turnovers stat when it’s a play style thing. If Grabovski chips the puck into the zone and doesn’t get it back on the forecheck it’s nothing. If he tries to hold the puck and loses it it’s a turnover.

I don’t put a lot of stock in turnovers or takeaways. They’re subjective stats and get scored based on reputation (Datsyuk with takeaways, Clutterbuck checks, etc.)

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference in perception is that a turnover when he’s hanging on is usually at the offensive blueline, whereas a turnover on a chip in is made closer to the goal line. One’s considered a lot more dangerous than the other.

by koopa kid on Nov 3, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many defencemen REALLY create a lot of turnovers?

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lidstrom and Chara would be the only two off the top of my head

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by birky on Nov 4, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

the differential between turnovers and takeaways is a little off so far this season.

but whatever. he coughs up the puck with enough regularity that nobody thinks an issue, so i’ll shut up.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying it’s not an issue because unfortunately, there is anecdotal evidence that when he does it’s a huge giveaway but with regard to the raw totals there’s context that can get glossed over.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s definitely better than he was to start the year last year.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He eats hard minutes and there’s no one else who can do it on this team yet. Fault him for turnovers but give Beauchemin’s minutes to Schenn, Kaberle and Lebda and I bet our goals against goes up big time.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly

i’d like to see what Schenn can do with a bigger load this season. He’s been consistently one of the best Leafs on the ice, night in and night out.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schenn’s looked good, but only Kaberle has played easier minutes 5v5. At the same time Schenn plays 3:20 per game on the PK and plays that well.

Luckily for you with Phaneuf out I think Komisarek and Schenn divvy up the lion’s share of his minutes because Phaneuf’s at a full load already.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was better at the end of last year than he has been so far this season though.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean when the puck hopped on the gawd-awful ice?

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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re (mostly) preaching to the choir here.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It all matches with what I watched last night.

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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 4, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skinny’s preview of this game:

they’ve [the caps] been known to lose many a game by ridiculous scores like 6-5…

Heh.

…But I don’t foresee a game like that tonight

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

anyone else notice we rarely seem to win a faceoff in the offensive zone after an icing? We need to start capitalizing on this.

by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 3, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Updated the post with NHL.tv videos and a link to Slava Duris’ scoring chances.

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by Chemmy on Nov 3, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll actually give that one to Crosby

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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bit of a spastic fight there

I think Sid may have got the win there

by PKSube on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. He clear contact there for at least 2 or 3 shots. Sid with the TKO

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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pisses me off; guy I’m playing in Fantasy this week has Sid and Letang. Giving Kabby’s goal to Brown also pisses me off because I’m raping in assists but need goals.

by Shield on Nov 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love how every time the guy fights, the Pens are getting shellacked on the scoreboard.

by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 3, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

would it somehow be smarter for him to get in a fight with the Penguins in the lead?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 3, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crosby manhandled him. Crazy…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

he gets that crazy look in his eyes when he’s fighting to…like don’t f’n mess with me.

by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 4, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sid definitely wins.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caputi had 0 shifts in the third. Anyone know why?

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by Bower Power on Nov 3, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilson may have shortened the bench

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by birky on Nov 3, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see Brent much either, and Orr didn’t play at all as far as I saw

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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 3, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So… About that bet we made?

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by Ovechwin on Nov 3, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

Clawson did it!

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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson went to solely three lines in third.

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by James Mirtle on Nov 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that we got results with three lines in the third period in the second game of a back-to-back shows how hard they worked in Ottawa.

by Shield on Nov 3, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitness doesn’t seem to be a problem anymore.

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if it is, but its an excuse people love to use when teams play back-to-back.

by Shield on Nov 3, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

What this tells me is Wilson should keep VBK together for the time being. I have a feeling we might be seeing the start of something good here.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 3, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was also -2 in the first two periods.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 4, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was there and didn’t even know Caputi was dressed.

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by Whiter Mage on Nov 4, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please Leafs. Can you show us a consistent effort?

by BlindSight on Nov 3, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

this is what I would like to see. this is why i question the leadership structure.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 4, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No team plays 100% for 100% of the time.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

then get a new job! what the heck are they getting paid boat loads of money to play hockey for? (even league minimum is a fantastic salary)
if i was a surgeon and i didn’t perform 100% of my procedures with 100% of my knowledge/effort then i wouldn’t expect to keep working in the e.r….

by gnarlybattleship on Nov 4, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

This analogy is bunk.

A surgeon doesn’t have another surgeon trying to prevent him from accomplishing his goal during the procedure.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the other team has a vote too.

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by The '67 Sound on Nov 4, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only game that there is a case that the Leafs didn’t show up to play was the first loss to the Rangers.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, i guess the patients body could be considered the opposition? things don’t generally go silky smooth in the operating room. those guys have tougher decisions and their mistakes have far greater repercussions. so, i don’t think it’s ‘bunk’. maybe a little far fetched, but c’mon.

by gnarlybattleship on Nov 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

point is, top-end talent only play about 20-30 minutes a night. other guys maybe play 10-15 minutes a night. if you’re getting paid two million dollars this year to PLAY HOCKEY, is it too much to ask that you give 100% for 100% of your 10-15 minutes that night? every night?

by gnarlybattleship on Nov 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the clearer way to put my point is that the effort could be consistent but the results will not always be so.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. That’s why doctor’s don’t save everyone’s lives every time.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’d be a lot harder for a doctor to save a life if another doctor was standing over him at the same time trying to keep the other doctor from doing it while at the same time trying to do it himself.

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by Whiter Mage on Nov 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tons of leafs fans at the game btw, and I definitely saw a habs fan across the rink.

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by Ovechwin on Nov 3, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

stupid habs fan

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by Karina on Nov 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many jersey fouls?

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by CoolJ90 on Nov 4, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Was at game (saw a fair few Leafs fans), and from my tally, sweaters from the following teams (not counting the two teams playing):
Chicago
-Montreal
-Colorado
-NYR (two versions)
-Minnesota
-Philly
-Calgary
-Anaheim (I swear to god the last name was “Conway #96”
I wanted to stab this tool)
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-Florida
-Carolina

So a rough estimate on the jersey fouls was “a crapload”. Also saw Pierre McGuire before the game. I know his in-game act wears on people but he was really nice to us (impressively I saw him hop over the boards from the ice into his spot between the benches wearing his suit- he’s not exactly what you’d call tall and it was an impressive move).

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by torleafsfan29 on Nov 4, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m personally ashamed at Caps jersey fouls. We seem to have more than other fan-bases, based on sheer internet hate.

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by Whiter Mage on Nov 4, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s a Caps jersey foul … Ive seen that all over the league. If your going to a Caps vs Toronto game, please for the sake of all that is holy, leave your Flyers jersey at home.

by ididntdoit on Nov 4, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tons? there weren’t that many… One hundred at best.

by ididntdoit on Nov 4, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Preds vs Yotes, some great hockey. Colin Wilson looks like he’ll be something.

by samspade on Nov 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

ps

You guys are all nuts.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

you love us
and if you dont come out friday i will be sad

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those teams shouldn’t be crossed out. Stupid software, read my mind.

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by torleafsfan29 on Nov 4, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

For the record, NHL.com doesn’t compile the stats, it’s the official scorer at the game, it’s an automatic feed.

So don’t blame NHL.com blame the official scorer at the Verizon Center.

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by ohshrit on Nov 4, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Mike Brown love

Brown had a big game last night – this guy is all value as far as play vs contract goes. Fast and strong. Generated some offence with that speed and strength too – 7 shots in 11.5 minutes of EV TOI. No PP time. He’s had 2 really big games this season – in Pitt and last night in WSH. A real pro. Too bad he’s got stone hands and no real accuracy to his shot.

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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 4, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Also,

LOL @ Mike Green the shut down defender. He still looks like a forward caught out of position playing D.

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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

last night was the first night that I’ve really seen Green do his “4th forward” thing for long stretches of the game. He’s been much better this season on D, and far calmer than I’m used to seeing. Don’t know what got into him last night that he felt the need to try and dangle his way around every Leafs player multiple times.

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by RedBirdie on Nov 4, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough…I’ve only watched one game.

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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think alot of teams still view the leafs as an easy wina nd skill guys see it as a chance to show off against some inferior competition. That is definatley changing in a hurry

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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a bad theory at all

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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s tempting against Toronto.

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by PPP on Nov 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

sadly, rec’d.

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