Wilson has to go over Christmas Break
Okay, okay, okay - I know it's the easy thing to fire the coach. But hear me out on this more reasoned approach.
Wilson has had the team for two full seasons plus this season so far. They are 29th in penalty kill and 21st in PP. Granted, he wasn't dealt the best cards and he may have had success elsewhere but he is having no success with this team. It's not so bad to get fired - one of the biggest reasons coaches get fired is because they can't get traded. For the same reasons some good players have to go for the sake of team chemistry - so too must the coach.
The players don't play for Wilson any more. You can see it in their faces and the mounting frustration. They used to care when Wilson called them out but now they don't - see Phil Kessel's minor outburst when asked how he felt about getting benched last week. The players are playing the way they want to because they know whatever they do - Wilson will criticize them anyway ( why would he criticize them after the comeback from 4-1 against Boston last week?!! Let them have one celebratory night ! ) so Wilson's ability to motivate and guide these players is lost; the Leafs are a team at sea without a rudder.
It's in situations like this that leaders emerge - we all know Dion Phaneuf is the Captain but can he really LEAD this team? The current void in coaching leadership is an excellent time for Phaneuf to really make these Leafs HIS team. Lets hope that this is the rock bottom and a new chemistry is formed in this current morass.
My analysis of 'blue and white disease' is this: players come here and hit the ice amid massive press coverage heralding them as the next saviour - which forces the player to reach beyond his grasp; try too hard and spin his wheels - Kessel obviously is the best example of this but did the press need to welcome Luca Caputi and Jeff Finger as if Charlie Conacher rose from the grave? The Leafs have always been the team the press makes them to be and the players have never had to deal with reality because Management tries a short term fix. Past management has tried to trade its way out of bad performance but as we all know, this can't happen in the current NHL. All the players are spinning out at the same time now - Phaneuf, Mike Komisarek, Kessel - but as Dave Nonis told them last week - the only answer is in this room.
It won't be easy but a new team will emerge in the coming months, a team coming from the absolute bottom. Count on a trade or two - this season is gone and we will not make the playoffs. But I believe Burke's firm hand will guide them going forward. Forget about the Kessel miscalculation. History is history. Let's move forward.
The Leafs absolutely cannot do any worse with ANY other coach. Get rid of Wilson over the Christmas break and let Acton ride out the season. This will lift a gigantic weight off the team and give them a spark and hope in 2011.
And give the fans hope too.
PensionPlanPuppets.com is a fan community that allows members to post their own thoughts and opinions on the Toronto Maple Leafs and hockey in general. These views and thoughts may not be shared by the editor of PensionPlanPuppets.com.
92 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
totally new topic that hasn’t been talked to death already
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions
- The team has quit on Wilson? The efforts against Boston and Washington suggest otherwise
- If the team wasn’t happy with how Wilson motivated them would they defend his methods at every turn?
- Blue and White disease is a crock of shit as is your suggestion that the media built up Finger and Caputi. Show me one article that built up Caputi and Finger to the extent you are suggesting
Special teams are definitely a place to hammer Wilson. There is no excuse for being this bad three years in a row.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
by PPP on Dec 11, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
1. Wins against Boston and Washington help make my point; the players made that happen by finding their own way to win.
2. They defend him because of the corporate culture in sports and not wanting to be the guy that rocks the boat; aside from that, I have yet to see a vigorous or emotional defense of Wilson by a Leafs player – nothing more that dispassionate monotone defenses which mean absolutely nothing.
3. How about cover pages in The Sun? Name any other market in the world that would put an AHL caliber player on the cover.
Wake up.
Wake up.
How To Make Friends And Influence People, by RoadApples.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 12, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
- Yes, I’ve come to expect your defence of “anything good is in spite of Wilson”.
- There have been vigorous and emotional defenses of him. Not that you’d count them but that’s where you are.
- Oh yes, cover pages ripping players. That’s really building them up too much. And it happens in every Canadian city in case you’ve been napping too long to follow any other team.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Dec 13, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Burke won’t trade a player this close to Christmas, what do you think the odds are that he would put a coach out of work? Hint: The number is less than 1 and greater than -1.
I think you mean...
The integer is less than 1 and greater than -1.
Otherwise there are a hell of a lot of answers to that question.
I’d go so far as to say an infinite number of answers.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 11, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
My degrees are in history. As far as I’m concerned math is a myth.
by Draglikepull on Dec 11, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
math is for nerds
nerds and squares
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 11, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Is zero a number, a concept or just a way for casino to fleece it’s customers though?
©1979-2010 article1 All rights reserved. Terms and conditions available on request. May be freely reproduced by anyone except those answering to the description 'Thieving Mittenstringer'.
by article1 on Dec 11, 2010 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know it’s the easy thing to fire the coach. But hear me out on this more reasoned approach
I actually liked the first line because it rhymed. I thought I was walking into a Dr. Seuss-esque post.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 11, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The games against Boston & Washington are an aberration; witness the game against Pittsburgh. Wilson has had two years to make the special teams better and has failed to do so. Defence is not a concept in which you need superstars to execute, hence mostly third and fourth liners perform that role. Keeping Wilson has been arguably one of Burke’s worst mistakes, along with keeping Kaberle(by the way, why is St.Thomas a media untouchable, unlike Komisarek & Beauchemin?) and constantly blaming the players. I won’t touch Kessel because I believe with the right coach he’d play better. This team still can’t play consistently. It’s one thing to be up and down, but at least look like you’re learning! Bozak, Schenn last year, Kadri, Gunnarsson, etc., all young players that don’t develop at an seady pace. On what other team is the Sophomore Slump institutionalized?
Kadri has played 13 games, in which he has 6 assists. He’s been out of junior for about 1/4 of a hockey season. I have absolutely no idea what would make you think he’s not developing at a steady pace. Schenn played poorly for about half of last year, but has generally played quite well under Wilson. Bozak and Gunnarson were always long-shots to be consistent NHLers, but they’ve also only got about 120 games in the NHL combined, ie. they’ve both still got plenty of time to show what they can do.
I think there are legitimate areas to criticise Wilson over, like special teams. But I really don’t see how he’s hindered the development of the Leafs’ young players, some of whom (like Schenn, Kadri, and Kulemin) are playing pretty well right now.
by Draglikepull on Dec 11, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak, Schenn last year, Kadri, Gunnarsson, etc., all young players that don’t develop at an seady pace.
funny how you say this but ignore Grabovski, Kulemin and, on yeah Schenn THIS year
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 11, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Special teams are definitely a huge failure of Wilson’s but I don’t see how you can a. pin the mistake on Burke (he didn’t hire him) and b. cherry pick which games are aberrations and which aren’t. Basically, any game they played well is a fluke by your estimation.
They don’t call it the Sophomore Slump because it’s a rare occurrence. Young players have developed well. Bozak played 37 games last year in the dog days of the year. Gunnarsson benefitted huge from percentages. If you didn’t expect some regression as they developed then you didn’t read this site enough. Schenn had a tough opening 25 games last year when he had tendonitis in his knee. Kadri? Are you serious?
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
by PPP on Dec 11, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I haven’t ignored them at all. Kulemin started the season slowly as he did last year, Grabovski, while one of the best players this year is still inconsistent, and I truly believe Schenn has developed more in spite of Wilson than because of him. His development is more attributable to Zettler than Wilson. All the players traded for by Burke came to TO under great hoopla; Beauchemin, Komisarek, Phaneuf, and so on. So what gives, they suddenly become erratic and undependable, or goats, just because some mythical TO curse has bit them, or because they suddenly stop caring and lose their pride? Aulie’s success seems to bhe more the n mentorship of Dallas Eakins than Wilson. Bring in a coach who can work with young talent and inspire players night in, night out.
Beauchemin and Komi were free agents, not trades. Beauchemin has played just fine, and Phaneuf is exactly as advertised. Grabovski has been one of the most consistent players on the team this year. It’s like you’re just making things up.
by Draglikepull on Dec 11, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
you should just stop right there with your pro leaf bias
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 11, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf is exactly like advertised? So we brought him in to NOT score points, to NOT be a leader in plus/minus, to NOT be the catalyst on the PP? I guess the 6 mil is worth it then…my bad.
by Robert James on Dec 11, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
He’s playing about as poorly as he did in Calgary.
by theninjagreg on Dec 13, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Conversely, two of the players we traded for him are no longer on the team and another has been a healthy scratch the past two games. Right now, there is no winner in that trade.
The 4th Line Blog
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Dec 13, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I beg to differ. Aulie is a winner. However feeble our PK, Sjostrom improves it.
by Robert James on Dec 13, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Kulemin started the year fine, his work just didn’t translate to points.
they suddenly stop caring and lose their pride?
hahaha yeah, that’s it. Dallas Eakins worked with Aulie about 10 games. You must think Eakins is a god. Go watch a Marlies game and I guarantee your mind will change.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
I'm sorry but this is absolutely absurd
Kulemin started the season slowly as he did last year?? In 2009-10 Kulemin produced 4 goals and 2 assists in the first 2 MONTHS of the season across 21 games. This season in October and November through 23 games he has produced 9 goals and 6 assists. That’s an increase from 6 points to 15 points, or almost a 300% jump… HOW THE HELL IS THAT THE SAME???
Grabovski is still inconsistent? In his first year as a Leaf, 2008-09, he produced the following splits by month: Oct (2 pts), Nov (13 pts), Dec (8 pts), Jan (3 pts), Feb (5 pts), Mar (14 pts), Apr (3 pts in 5 games) THAT is inconsistent production.
Last year in 2009-10 here are his monthly splits (don’t forget his injury and the Olympics): Oct (10 pts), Nov (6 pts), Dec (9 pts), Mar (8 pts), Apr (2 pts in 5 games) THATS A HUGE INCREASE IN CONSISTENCY…
Now how about THIS season? 2010-11: Oct (4 pts), Nov (12 pts), Dec (4 pts – in 6 games)… He started slow in October, but honestly over the past season and a bit his consistency has increased immensely. I have NO idea what team you watch.
It’s also insane to discuss Aulie’s play under Wilson when it amounts to less than 10 games. Beauchemin isn’t undependable. Komisarek WAS undependable before the Leafs got his injury prone ass, and Phaneuf was traded precisely because he was UNDEPENDABLE. WTF… SERIOUSLY.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
My sarcasm obviously doesn’t translate well into print I was not saying Beauch was undependable. I’m actually defending them as the media and fans, many on this blog, were calling for heads last year, particularly for Beauch(he took a lot of flak) , and a strong jist of what was said was the players didn’t care, lost their work ethic, blue & white disease, etc. What I was saying, obviously poorly, was that despite what many were saying, these guys had not lost their pride, confidence, abilities, etc., but it was rather a problem with executing Wilson’s game plan.(No, I’m not going into Wilson again!) As to Kulemin, I didn’t mean the whole season to date, but in camp and the first few games, there was much written about him starting slowly, again. He had 1 goal in the month of Oct;10 games. I would consider that a slow start. Then he picked it up and was off to the races.
Grabovski, once again, I mean he is inconsistent GOAL scoring; he’s streaky is all I meant. His goal spread isn’t spread out evenly, it’s in bunches. He’s obviously a key component of the Leafs, I would just like to see him not score in herds, and to spread it out a little. ASs to Aulie, thus far his transition has been pretty seamless; obviously he was well prepared to be called up. Phaneuf’s trading was considered more to be a disruptive influence with management and team mates, hwoever true or not, not because he was labelled undependable. Yes his play had slipped, but that wasn’t the most common theme as to why he was traded.
by Robert James on Dec 13, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just fyi, I queried “Kulemin slow start”. Here’s just the first four entries alone, and they include a reference to Grabovski himself making a slow start this year…and one of these is a PPP blog! I’m not making this up! Read my whole reply, I’m in support of these guys and they’re doing great now.
http://www.leafsnationonline.com/2010/09/nikolai-kulemin-2010-11-preview.html Kulemin
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/6/22/1529608/2009-2010-nikolai-kulemin
http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/tag/nikolai-kulemin/
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/880540—leafs-bump-kulemin-up-to-top-line
by Robert James on Dec 13, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
…oh yeah, and in another of those sites, Kulemin admits he was off to a slow start…you guys wanted links…
by Robert James on Dec 13, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
The PPP link
pre-dates this season. Hence the 2009-10 indication in the heading.
Another one is a 2010-11 season preview.
The 3rd one involves trade rumours and line promotions involving Kulemin, not a coherent commentary on him starting this year slowly.
Then the last one discusses his promotion to the top line, after scoring 1 goal in the first 7 games.
I think it’s odd to indicate that he “started slowly” because he only scored 1 goal in the first 7 games, despite the fact that he had points in all 4 of the first 4 games when the Leafs won. Cherry Picking comments for goal scoring discussion when you never mentioned that in your original commentary seems a little revisionist.
Either way, neither one is off to a particularly slow start at this stage. October might have come slowly in a goal scoring dept. but since then they’ve taken off, and there’s really no concern for either on the part of Leafs management (and we shouldn’t have any either).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
…sigh…okay, it’s not revisionist history nor cherry picking as I said I simply read the first 4 links that popped up. That’s pretty random.
I know the PPP link is from last year; it’s to show that last year too they were off to a slow start. Yes I could have read the 2nd one( season preview) more carefully.
Third one? Direct line from Burke,I think $3 million is little much, but the threat of bolting to the KHL may increase his price. Kulemin started the year off slow,
& in the fourth, dated Oct.25, Grabbo & Kulie are talking about their slow start. This season Kulie was 1 in his first 10. Yes he may have played well, but his consistency re: goal scoring was initially a letdown. He didn’t get the big contract NOT to score,(albeit he will never be considered a true sniper-his all round play is his value) ergo he started slowly. Regarding “the slow start at this stage” you mentioned, it is no longer the start, but they were slow at the actual “start.” Look, all I was trying to say with the links is, I ‘ve formed my opinions based on what I read, and watch on t.v.; they’re not out of the blue and I’m not alone in my opinion. A previous blogger mentioned I don’t support my arguments with links. I do, I just can’t quote like some people can.
An article dated March 23 of this year in the TO Sun detailed Kulie being a scrub for a few games at the start of last. He started slowly!
…and I don’t have any concern for them; Kulie is one of my favourite players on the Leafs and Grabbo is moving up fast.
My whole point is not that they are bad players, they’re great and we’d really be in a whole without them. My point relates to the impact of coaching on their development. (which I won’t touch anymore here!)
…sheesh…give a guy a break!
by Robert James on Dec 14, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Potato potahto. Trades/free agents. Basically I mean that the players arrivals were well liked by fans and media. I like Beach & Komi but they have taken a lot of flak from fans since they arrived. The heat on Beauch is diminishing, but he took a lot of crap earlier, including fans of this blog. Grabovski is not that consistent. He’s played well, but his scoring is up and down, and while he is one of our better players, he would have been traded for a bag of pucks last year. I just feel under the right coaching they would not have experienced half of the ups and downs they would have when they came to TO.
Use reply
I don’t think you read enough of the posts here. Players don’t through scoring slumps. It’s what happens regularly. Grabovski scored 6 in 5, then none in 7, then 3 in 3. That’s how the year goes. Beauch and Komi have taken a lot of flak from fans. One guy’s deserved it and Beauchemin has not.
he would have been traded for a bag of pucks last year.
Only idiots were agitating for him to be traded last year.
What would you call consistently scoring? Maybe if you described what that looked like we could see what players meet your definition.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Maybe only idiots were agitating for him to be traded last year, but there were a lot of them nonetheless. What I was saying is, despite all the media & fans saying the players don’t care and aren’t working hard enough, I was saying that’s not true. They don’t magically stop caring when they arrive in TO. If that’s the case, where do you point the finger? The coach is responsible for getting them to execute the game plan, and to play consistently. You can lose and yet still make progress. The Leafs don’t appear that way and they often don’t appear to know exactly what they’re supposed to do. To whom does that burden fall? As far as consistency is concerned, not going from 6/5 to 0/7 , but instead staggering the goals out over the whole time frame is consistent. I like Grabbo and thank God he ‘s on the team this year, but he is inconsistent and that’s not new. Read the papers, Eakins is considered good with young talent, Wilson does not have that rep. Finally, are you telling me ALL sophomores go through the slump? On the Leafs it’s a regular occurrence. As far as Kadri is concerned, I know it’s not Wilson’s fault but he should have been left on the farm a little longer. That said, can you really say he’s looking better every game?
by Robert James on Dec 11, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Read the papers, Eakins is considered good with young talent, Wilson does not have that rep.
Actually, yes he does have that rep. It’s the Veterans he’s known to have harder times with.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 12, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe only idiots were agitating for him to be traded last year, but there were a lot of them nonetheless.
The total number of idiots doesn’t strengthen the argument.
Grabovski is not that consistent.
Grabbo’s effort is pretty consistent. He plays hard no matter what the score is, win or lose. I’d say he’s been the Leafs best and most consistent forward since the beginning of November, 16 points in 19 games.
by general borschevsky on Dec 12, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe only idiots were agitating for him to be traded last year, but there were a lot of them nonetheless.
Right, there are a lot of idiots in our fanbase.
Read the papers, Eakins is considered good with young talent, Wilson does not have that rep.
Wilson does have that rep for people that pay attention. Eakins’ been a head coach for like 25 games!
Like I said about consistency, figure out what it looks like and tell us because I bet Grabbo’s no less consistent than most. Most players are ‘streaky’.
As for sophomore slumps, like I said, if it wasn’t so common it wouldn’t have it’s own acknowledged term. How about the kids having first years so good that their dip in performance is considered a slump? Or Schenn’s play? Or Kulemin’s development? Or MacArthur’s breakout year?
I think special teams is the place to attack Ron Wilson and it is more than enough to talk about canning him but the rest is just subjective. Since you want him fired you find things that are easily disproven to hammer him on.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
How about the kids having first years so good that their dip in performance is considered a slump? Or Schenn’s play? Or Kulemin’s development? Or MacArthur’s breakout year?
easy, if they are playing poorly, its Wilsons fault, if they are playing well, it is in spite of Wilson
delicious cake that you can both have AND eat!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 12, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn is one of the few playing well despite. In interviews earlier this year MacArthur admitted he is a streaky scorer, but, having said that he is considered a veteran.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Grabovski has gotten better every year under Wilson
Kulemin has gotten better every year under Wilson
Gunnar had a fantastic rookie campaign under wilson
Aulie has played well under Wilson
Clarke MacArthur has gone from a fringe top 6er to a legit 2nd line threat under Wilson
Gustavsson has gone from bag of talent to starter talent under Wilson
But I guess each of those can be explained by something other than Wilson
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 12, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Garabbo – last year was an improvement?
Kulemin – agreed.
Gunnar – yes, but this year, yet another Leaf S’slump.
Aulie – agreed.
MacArthur – do you honestly believe that’s because of Wilson? Yes Wilson gives him the ice time he never had elsewhere, but do you think he would have got that time elsewhere?
Gus – c’mon, Wilson’s not a goalie coach. That’s Allaire’s doing. Look, for the last time, I’m not saying everything Wilson does is bad, and he is a knowledgeable hockey coach, I just don’t think he’s right for this team. I don’t feel they respond to him consistently as a single unit, and, while I’m just a layperson, I know I’m not alone in this.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Grabbo, yes, last year was an improvement, his point pace was higher than any year before and his defensive play was leaps and bounds better before he got hurt
Gunnar – TONS of players have softmore slumps, and their coaches don’t get flack for it
MacArthur – Wilson gave him the ice time, coaches the system where he is flourishing and is keeping together the line he has chemistry with, so yes, Wilson is playing a part in this
Gus – again, Wilson is deciding when he starts, and he also runs drills in practice in which Gus participates, he also works WITH allaire to develop and work with the goaltending, Allaire is a huge part but denying Wilson has ANY involvement is foolish
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 12, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
You know what man, you win. I must have a problem with communication. I thought we were talking about his work with young players and how so many little things go wrong with this team. I didn’t say he can’t coach. But as far as running drills in practice is concerned, he does not have any direct involvement in goaltending technique; that’s Allaire’s job. You’re obviously a fan of him and I’m not. As a die hard Leafs fan I hope your assessment proves right.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I am not “a fan” of Wilson, I just hate people arguing false points.
we are talking about his work with young players, but you seemed to suggest that when they were playing well it had nothing to do with wilson, and this isnt the first time this argument has come up
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 12, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
These are not false points, they’re a difference of opinion, and for the very last time, I am not saying he cannot do anything right with this team, he simply can’t make them play consistently and personally I don’t feel he can develop them as well as another coach might. I think he works better with older players. Sometimes they have played well and yes, maybe that was a result of Wilson, but how many times have you seen a team under fire from fans and press where their coach’s ass is in a sling, come out and" win one for the Gipper," and then slide back when the heat is off. Time will tell if the leafs play as well, win or lose, consistently as they did against Boston & Washington.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s get away from Ron Wilson for a second. Could you name a coach who’s taken similar players and made them significantly better than Kulemin, Grabovski, Gunnarsson, etc.? I mean, for example, could you name another young, second line centre making about $3-$4 million a year who has progressed more steadily than Grabovski? And would you attribute that progression to coaching or raw talent?
by Draglikepull on Dec 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
A little of both I would guess. However, a lot of Grabovski’s improvement seems to have come with maturity. He’s sporting a much better attitude since the bar incident. He seems to work harder, and is much more poised. Perhaps that is in part to Wilson. For the millioneth time, I didn’t say he can’t coach. Regarding other coaches, I’m not sure if you’re old enough to remember Cherry with the Lunch Pail Brigade. He made players play above their talent level; Wensink, Jonathon, Middleton and so on. Middleton, a future HOF’er credits Cherry with making him the player he was. Scotty BOWMAN and the original Blues, the Canadiens last year, etc., were all teams who played above their station. While I hope Grabbo has a long future in TO, I didn’t think last year was a progression.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
MacArthur says that Wilson’s the reason he’s been playing so well.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
I obviously missed that quote. In that event I’m impressed.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
It was in one of Jonas Siegel’s early blogs. That’s a guy who has made leaps and bounds professionally. His blogs much better now but in it one of the things MacArthur said, which a few players have echoed of late, is that while Wilson is pretty standoffish with the media he has created a good atmosphere in the dressing room.
One of the main things he noted was that he wasn’t worried that every mistake he made would see him stapled to the bench which, with a young team, is an important consideration.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Actually, I gave him the better part of two years to improve the team before I made my decision. I would like to see him successful but I just don’t think that will happen.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I apologize. I should have clarified by effort I meant offensive production, specifically goals. Yes he is a roadrunner out there every night, but too often he doesn’t channel that energy properly and appears to be running all over creation. I do like that he seems to be using his linemates better than ever, but could still improve in that area. Having said that, his play overall is tremendously improved this year and that directionless buzzing seems to be dying out. By idiots I was being facetious. A lot of people, knowledgeable hockey writers, were calling for him to be traded last year as you have to admit, it didn’t seem like he was going to get rid of his mercurial nature and focus.
But every player in the league goes through stretches where they don’t score. Stamkos and Ovechkin both went through stretches earlier in the year where they didn’t pick up a goal for 6 or 7 games. No one is so consistent that they never have small gaps like that.
by Draglikepull on Dec 12, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. By no means am I comparing him to Stamkos & Ovechkin, but when consistent players, top line players, big scorers, etc. go into a slump, it’s big news for a reason. With Grabbo(amongst other Leafs) it’s the frequency with which he goes into slumps. Once again, he is improving by leaps and bounds this year and I like him on the team. All I am saying is, I think with better coaching many of the Leafs would develop faster. Just my opinion…
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
when consistent players, top line players, big scorers, etc. go into a slump, it’s big news for a reason
Because people don’t know how normal it is.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
It was big news when we found out that the earth revolved around the sun.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 12, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?!?!
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
A lot of people, knowledgeable hockey writers, were calling for him to be traded last year as you have to admit, it didn’t seem like he was going to get rid of his mercurial nature and focus.
They weren’t knowledgeable on the topic if they were calling for him to be traded. He was a dominant force in getting the puck moving in the right direction. He wasn’t scoring as much as people had hoped but everything else was strong.
Yes he is a roadrunner out there every night, but too often he doesn’t channel that energy properly and appears to be running all over creation.
Advanced stats show that’s just not true. You don’t dominate in those if you’re just running around like a chicken with your head cut off.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Sorry man, Grabbo did not play well last year and he’s good, but he doesn’t dominate. A lot of analysts made note of his running around.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
are you kidding me?
Grabbo had 35 points in 58 games last year on a terrible leafs team
he broke his wrist and suddenly he was terrible
His “running around” drives the Leafs offense more than any other player, he is sound defensively and he can pass as well as he can score, he isnt affraid of the hard areas ad he throws his body around at the drop of the hat
nothing you are saying about him is true in the least
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 12, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Okay man, we obviously won’t agree on this, but a lot of what you just said about him is true this year, not last. Running around does not drive the offence, it’s like spinning your tires in the snow. For that matter, several commentators and journalists last year said he had to start using his wingmen more, as he tried too hard to do too much himself. As far as sound defensively, he did have a respectable plus/minus last year(+3). This is the first year his attitude has not been in question.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I also posted about him last year
I’d call it a good read, but that would be me tooting my own horn.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Grabbo Difference Maker
http://generalborschevsky.blogspot.com/2010/03/mikhail-difference-maker-grabovski.html
Not as good as Steve’s but I’ll throw it on the pile.
Grabbo rules.
by general borschevsky on Dec 14, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying he is driving the offense because of his running around, I am saying he is driving the offense because his advanced stats say so
I can’t find it at the moment, but Grabovski creates more scoring chances than any other Leaf
you keep bringing up commentators and journalists syaing this or that, but you have yet to provide names or even a link backing this up,
You might also remember last night when Healy, a paid CBC commentator said “the oilers have more turn overs than the leafs, but you expect that because they are younger, and the leafs dont have that excuse” or something to that effect. When in fact the Leafs are the youngest team in the NHL
Many of the talking heads are idiots and their words should not be used as gospel
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 12, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I don’t catalogue every comment I hear. I watch CBC, TSN, have the Rogers Leafs package, read every Leaf news site DAILY, , and make my own observations. Collectively I’ve read and heard a lot. I’m a little technologically challenged, so there won’t be any links. As far as the talking heads are concerned, for the most part I don’t feel qualified to challenge people who played and coached at that level.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
…and yes, Healy’s statement was stupid.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Because Healy is a moron.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
for the most part I don’t feel qualified to challenge people who played and coached at that level.
That’s a shame because they are mostly stupid people that do not understand an iota of what is going on. Just because they played in the NHL doesn’t mean that they understand what is going on.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Glenn Healy played at the NHL level about as much as any of us did.
Craig Simpson explicitly stated he didn’t want to play in Toronto so fuck him.
Resident Capologist
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
by clrkaitken on Dec 12, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
Frivolous Ornamentation
by Karina on Dec 14, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
i’m also technologically challenged, but i figured out how to use the “link” button.
Leafs fan by birth, Oilers fan through marriage
- Certified Grabbo Lover
by Sergei Puckizin on Dec 12, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever. I’ll get one of my kids to show me how. But when you type with two fingers it’s not easy to jump around screens as quickly as you guys do.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
We’re just busting your balls. It’s the chain link.
If you want to just add a link, you can copy and paste it into the text box. If you want to have the link over particular text, then highlight the text, click the chain link, paste the URL, and then you’re all set.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
No problem. Any other questions about the features of the site you can just e-mail me.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Many of the talking heads are idiots and their words should not beused as gospelconsidered competent.
Fixed.
Leafs fan by birth, Oilers fan through marriage
- Certified Grabbo Lover
by Sergei Puckizin on Dec 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
This might help
Grabovski.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Grabbo was about as good in terms of points per game last year as he was the year before.
Just because analysts say it doesn’t mean it’s true.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
His Rel Corsi suggests that he does dominate. It’s the second best in the NHL among centres.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Problem with Rel Corsi
Is it really only compares him to his teammates… that just means that he has the 2nd largest distinction with the rest of his team amongst NHL centres… that’s more an indictment of the rest of the roster than a point for Grabbo.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the biggest problem
Get rid of Wilson over the Christmas break and let Acton ride out the season.
ACTON? I think it’s been universally agreed that he is one of the biggest problems with our special teams, with is the biggest reason why we’re losing. Give him MORE responsibility? May as well hand Couturier over to Boston right now.
20 miles to Legoland!
Heard that. As much as I liked him as a player, I don’t think he canconvey his knowledge to others.
by Robert James on Dec 12, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Missed that. Keith fucking Acton? Jesus wept.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
It’s not worth the drive to Acton.
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Dec 12, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
The players don’t play for Wilson any more. You can see it in their faces and the mounting frustration.
Well, if you can see it in their faces, then Wilson has to go.
Great argument!
"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 12, 2010 8:53 PM EST reply actions
I have to work Christmas Eve because “Christmas Day falls on a Saturday”…you know, a workweek is Monday-Friday.
The Maple Leafs- making me certifiably insane since 1985.
by torleafsfan29 on Dec 15, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions

by 































