Rivalries Don't Die
by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 11:09 AM EST
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PrintWith one regulation win in their past nine attempts it's understandable that the Montreal media wants to downplay games against Toronto.
What else is there to say when the Canadiens didn't get their first shot until the first period was half over -at which time the Leafs led 2-0? - Montreal Gazette
We could say that Scott Gomez and P.K. Subban have been spending an awful lot of time in the press box lately. Although in his defense Subban played against Toronto to show us all of his poise and excellent play.
Oh right. Honestly going -3 in a 3-1 loss is pretty impressive. I'm guessing Brett Lebda gave Subban some crucial pointers before the puck dropped.
"I think that I can skate with some pretty fast players out there," Subban suggested, "but when they're going a million miles an hour and my feet are in cement, you know it's not going to help me. We have a week of practice, so I'm just going back and work on those little things." - Montreal Gazette
Little things like skating. Got it. Best of luck.
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Watch for a completely different reaction the next time the Canadiens win a game against the Leafs.
“NHL’s Greatest Rivalry Plays One for the Ages!”
“Canadiens Beat Hated Rival Leafs:
etc…and so on
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Ralphie’s friend on the left looks exactly like Freight Train.
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Need a good shot of him tossing off his mitts and bucket, sync that shit up with Stone Cold’s music.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Reminds me of Jeremy (Pearl Jam).
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by CanadianMaple09 on Dec 13, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
ooooooh, but we unleashed a lion
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine when Spacek saw MacArthur’s fist coming at him, it played out like the tire changing scene…
Ohhhhh ffffffuuuuuuddddggee….
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions
who said anything about fudge?
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Such a goofy fucking picture.
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he makes Kessel look positively stern
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Jaroslav wants to know where the last two days went and why everything is so bright.
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by thenumber14 on Dec 13, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Only I didn’t say fudge.
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there it is
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Breaking News
Jaroslav Spacek of the Montreal Canadiens has been place on LTIR with what the club is calling “soap poisoning related blindness”.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 13, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A sleeper is the only way to describe it when the Leafs had only three shots in the second period.
Really? The Canadiens’ best period is why this game was a sleeper for the Gazette? The period where they brought the game within 1 and looked like they might stage a full come-back?
Oh, I get it. It’s the Leafs’ fault for winning too easily.
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by ursus_arctos59 on Dec 13, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions
joke
You might have meant Henny Youngman, but it’s surely not Rodney.
by ultracraignetic on Dec 13, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions
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I wanted to check out some Habs reaction to the loss so I went to their SBN page. It’s a friggin ghost town there…
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by potvin vs hextall on Dec 13, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions
I believe they have some non-SBN sites that are much more popular. SBN is obviously an anglo tool of oppression.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 13, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, most of the popular Habs sites are francais.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
] to see that ’67 Sound gets it.
I’m wondering if they called Weber up to make PK look better.
by ursus_arctos59 on Dec 13, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Formatting fail
Was supposed to say “Heureux to see that ’67 Sound gets it.”
by ursus_arctos59 on Dec 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason, they don’t comment. It’s weird.
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Ive always wondered why because the guy who runs the site does top notch analysis.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
That guy moved on to bigger and better things recently. He’s writing a book!
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maybe he’ll actually have someone read his work this time
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile....
This site gets lots of comments. Reading it also makes my brain hurt.
We may have a lot of memes, but…..they’re pretty much the 4chan of hockey.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 13, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more. The reffing didn’t make the Habs lose, the Habs did as I said. However, being forced to watch Leaf games growing up in Ontario I can tell you it’s a pattern and it will irk you if you have to witness it for years while their fans, coaches and GMs continue to whine about not getting calls. Now, thankfully, I only see the leaf when they meet the Habs and I’m reminded of the fact. If you, god forbid, visit leaf blogs and sites you’ll see all the complaining of the reffing and the CBC’s bias against them. They’re so used to getting their way and having the media trip over themselves jerking the team and fans off that any perceived slight it blown out of proportion. Not all leaf fans, mind you (there really are intelligent and realistic ones out there), but as a whole.
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hahaha
Jesus. “Guys, don’t whine about the refs and the CBC non-stop because Leafs fans are the worst for whining about the refs and the CBC”.
What a joke.
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I think we’ve whined ONCE about reffing all season. Against Tampa Bay.
And what happened? A Habs fan on our thread even said our complaints were legit!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 13, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
they try, but all they get is the red squigglies because they don’t speak English.
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by thenumber14 on Dec 13, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
We have talked about making it bilingual, actually. When our articles get linked to by French sources, our hit count goes through the roof.
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That’s a great idea actually.
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Even us regulars have plenty of places we go to talk about the games.
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You guys should comment there more to suck people in.
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We’ve tried, we’re quite disorganized about it, though. We’re also really bad for commenting on weekends, I’ve noticed.
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You guys don’t go game threads either. That’s huge.
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they should pay Jared to comment for them
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by Karina on Dec 13, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
i would love to get paid to talk to myself about how much the habs suck
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Montreal saying the rivalry is dead reminds me of some Liverpool fans pretending that their rivalry with Everton is dead. Yet, we can’t stand to lose to the bitters just like Montrealers can’t stand to lose to us.
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The rivalry will live on as long as there are plenty of Habs fans in Toronto and Leafs fans in Montreal.
Some even… dare I say it… get along.
duh duh duhhhhhhhh
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
the only thing that I regret is that I could not Ole in their faces
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Memories..
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Now you’re going to get the Manchester types pissed at you. City are considered to have the trademark on “bitters”.
by ursus_arctos59 on Dec 13, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck Manchester. Both sides. :)
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That’s a hardcore attitude for a Torontonian.
Impressive.
by ursus_arctos59 on Dec 13, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
The rivalry is a relic. There is some kind of a rivalry, but it’s nothing but meaningless games. Until there’s a playoff series against the Leafs, or a time when both teams are competitive, I don’t actually have much invested in this one. I’m 29 years old and the Leafs and Habs played 1 game of marginal importance against each other in my lifetime. When I came into my fandom, the Leafs were in a different conference.
And the game was dull. Excruciatingly so. Shots were 14-14 after two periods. There were a ridiculous amount of uncalled hooks, slashes, holds, hi-sticks, can openers, cross-checks, even too many men penalties went uncalled. And that was both ways. I really wish the NHL would call HNIC early games the same way they do every other game and not worry about Don Cherry whining in the intermission about letting them play. It’s quite frankly very, very, annoying.
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I remember Matt Stajan’s bulbous beaming face as he fired a laser into the net to start the process of eliminating Montreal from the playoffs that fateful day in April.
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by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Good times, you better believe if the Habs fared better against the Leafs the rivalry wouldn’t be a relic.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Guess it was Steen. Oh well.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/200704070TOR.html
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I hated my own team quite a bit that year. That game was just the fitting conclusion. Even more fitting was the Islanders winning the next game, robbing the CBC of millions in revenue.
The most horrific moments of my fandom have been two sweeps at the hands of Boston (’92 and ’09). 2007 is quite a long ways down there.
I actually am only starting to hate the Leafs because they keep insisting on making Boston a better team.
I’m also a westerner… I don’t have any of the geographical, Anglo-Franco weird pettiness that traditionally goes with this rivalry.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 13, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
. I’m 29 years old and the Leafs and Habs played 1 game of marginal importance against each other in my lifetime
So what you’re saying is the Leafs are 1-0 in meaningful games between the two teams
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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And the game wasn’t even meaningful for the Leafs in the end.
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We’ll take solace in the fact that at least we spoiled it for Montreal too.
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by leafer1984 on Dec 13, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
rec’d.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
nothing like a Habs fan stating how little a game meant to them after a loss…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
ya
i mean, puff yourselves up as “the most passionate” or “most intelligent” fanbase, but tuck tail and run when you get spanked?
i’m shocked at the inconsistency
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
"the most passionate"
This one kills me, they are passionate when they are doing well.
One thing I always get said to me is, “When Montreal isn’t doing well, the fans dont show up, Leaf fans should be like that” THATS A GOOD THING?
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Counterpoint: fuck the Habs.
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by article1 on Dec 13, 2010 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 15 recs
There we are.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
It’s partly a hockey rivalry, but also partly a cultural rivalry. Toronto and Montreal are two of the oldest, largest cities in Canada, centres of Canadian commerce, finance, and culture. Leafs/Habs games are kind of a cultural proxy battle.
Also, they’re probably the two biggest draws in the NHL, certainly in Canada. They get marquee billing on CBC because no other combination of teams can bring in such huge viewership.
by Draglikepull on Dec 13, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how successful a Montreal vs Boston, or Toronto vs Detroit Winter Classic would be? I know NBC only wants American teams, but how long can they do the Boston / Chicago / Philly / NYR / Crosby / Ovechkin shuffle?
Forget Winter Classic, the Heritage Classic is the only chance for the Leafs to get an outdoor game. Next year is probably Vancouver/Edmonton. And then Ottawa/Toronto the next. But a Leafs/Habs HC at a huge stadium would be nuts.
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Detroit/Toronto at Ann Arbor would KILL
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I want to see Toronto/ Ottawa on the rideau
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
pond hockey!
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it would be fucking epic
I have no idea how they would work in the stands though
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I’d go, I hate the Wings.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve never hated the wings, they were good because they were well run and excellent at developing players
wings fans on the other hand…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point, although I saw a game at the Joe once, and the guy sitting beside us was a retired police officer who had a metal plate in his head from a bullet wound, he shook our hands after every Leafs goal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
The metal plate in his head explains both why he is the exact opposite of the majority of Wings fans and why he pisses himself and forgets his name for half an hour every time his wife fires up the microwave.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Dec 13, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
This is one rivalry which seems to have died. I grew up in Windsor (insert joke here) and the Wings rivalry was easily more heated than the Habs. With the move to the Eastern conference and the subsequent plunge into crapdom, the rivalry has really simmered down. My Wings fan friends are actually sympathetic to me, and even encouraging sometimes. I’ve also been able to give the Wings the props they deserve.
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by danishmarshmallow on Dec 13, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
when you only play a team once a year its hard to keep a rivalry going, the east west split of games is terrible
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
It’s sad, really. I used to cherish trashing my friends about Cheveldae, Probie and all of the ex-Leafs they used to pick up. We used to compete in the standings and I could rile them up so easily. Now I watch the Wings play and find it hard to hate them, I actually kind of enjoy watching them. It disgusts me!
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by danishmarshmallow on Dec 13, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
It was a big thing in the early 90s, when the two teams were in the same division and equal. The rivalry started going downhill in 1996-97, when the Leafs missed the playoffs for two seasons and the Wings won two Cups. That was pretty much the beginning of the end right there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 14, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Also, keep in mind that, once upon a time, all of Ontario’s best players went to the Leafs, and all of Quebec’s best went to the Habs. In the Original Six days, it was basically not just a hockey rivalry, but a microcosm of the English-French rivalry. Think along the lines of the 1980 Miracle on Ice in the context of the Cold War.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 13, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I find this a bit silly
This is like arguing that the Red Sox and Yankees rivalry was dead in the 80’s because the Yankees sucked, or in the 90’s because the Red Sox weren’t quite to the point they’re at now.
They didn’t play each other a lot in the playoffs… but they were in the same division.
The rivalry may lie in wait, but it isn’t a relic and it won’t die. These are the two oldest franchises in the NHL. They have played more games against each other than any other two teams in the NHL. They have the whole anglo-franco thing, the whole upper-lower canada thing, the whole Stanley Cups thing, the whole most storied franchises in the league thing.
The fact that you’re 29 doesn’t change the rivalry.
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by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
The Habs and Bruins have played each other more than the Habs and Leafs.
The fact that I’m 29, and the fact that people 10 years older than me all haven’t seen a Habs-Leafs playoff series, says a lot. There are two generations of fans who have only been told this is a big rivalry even though the games themselves have meant little.
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it says
when the Leafs were dominant in the 90s and finally a part of the east, the Habs sucked. As Montreal got better, the Leafs went into decline…
it doesn’t say “there’s no rivalry because we lost and we don’t want anyone to know that it bothers us”
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, the Leafs were dominant in the 90s?
89-90: 80 points, lost in 1st round in 5 to St. Louis
90-91: 57 points, missed playoffs
91-92: 67 points, missed playoffs
92-93: 99 points, lost in 3rd round in 7 to Los Angeles
93-94: 98 points, lost in 3rd round in 5 to Vancouver
94-95: 50 points (in 48 games), lost in 1st round in 7 to Chicago
95-96: 80 points, lost in 1st round in 6 to St. Louis
96-97: 68 points, missed playoffs
97-98: 69 points, missed playoffs
98-99: 97 points, lost in 3rd round in 5 to Buffalo
So a decade in which the team missed the playoffs 4 times, failed to reach the Cup Final, and didn’t once win a division title is a dominant decade. OK, then.
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When it follows the 80s it is.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Four conference final appearances is nothing to sneeze at.
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The 90s is an arbitrary endpoint and I consider 93/94 a pair along with 99/02.
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93-02 was four conference finals appearances in nine seasons.
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and they won the division in 2000 i beleive
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
90s was the reference provided by blurr1974 that started this thing. and 92/93-01/02 is 10 seasons. A period in time, incidentally, where the Canadiens won 1 Stanley Cup.
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They won a Cup when you were 12. Way to go.
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A rivalry might start because of a few games, but after that, it becomes about a lot more. It ends up meaning that every game is meaningful.
Unless you think that a game means nothing more than 60 minutes of chasing a puck, a team means nothing more than the guys currently wearing the jersey, and a Stanley Cup Championship means nothing more than some names stamped on a piece of metal. Then yeah, the rivalry is dead.
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indeed, to me a rivalry is built on hate, and i fucking HATE the Habs. While the rivalry itself isn’t at the peaks it would be were the Leafs and Habs battling for the top of the division or going toe to toe in the post season it is far from dead. More smouldering, all it takes is a little fanning and watch the Toronto and Montreal fans leap at each others throats. The teams need to follow suit some games, but I can honnestly say, it feels just as good when the Leafs are good and beat the Habs who are horrible (see mid to late 90s) or the Habs are good and the Leafs are terrible (see now)
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
rivalry
the rivalry will mean much more once the leafs find some consistency. I know the feeling of watching your team and feeling empty all too well. We royally stank for almost 15 years after the cup. Ottawa was the team to rival the leafs in the northeast the most in that span. I can def. see Montreal/Toronto developping a new rivalry over the next years. First round of the playoffs in the near future would ignite that all too well..
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the leafs have some consistency! against the Habs they are consistently good, and against the rest of the NHL they are consistently bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Good point...
Consistency = not leading the league in “back to b-..nvm” big wins once in a while. Coaches always take the fall, but Wilson really ain’t the solution for sparking a young team like yours.
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Wilsons only real problem is special teams. The Leafs have been brutal at them since (and before) he arrived.
Wilson is actually quite good with young players, his track record both with the Leafs and other teams tells that tale.
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson looks like he aged of 25 years since arriving in Toronto. I feel like there’s an air of “This is going so wrong, but we’re sure this is the way” that’s surrounded your team for a few years. Can’t go back in time, but change in direction will eventually be necessary.
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of course, Wilson will not lead this team to the promised land (probably not even the playoffs) but right now the Leafs are the youngest team in the NHL, having a coach with his track record of developing young talent isn’t a horrible thing.
Wilsons upside wont truly be seen until after he is gone
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t believe I agree with a Habs fan!
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by danishmarshmallow on Dec 13, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think if the Habs and Leafs played each other in the playoffs it would be fucking epic. A good way to tell the importance of the rivalry is this:
The Leafs still get loud cheers when they score in Montreal, and vice versa. That doesn’t happen with other teams, that is just a Leafs/Habs thing.
If the Leafs and Habs played each other in the playoffs, advertisers would be climbing over themselves to get ad time. The ratings would be unreal, especially if it was a later round match-up.
by Draglikepull on Dec 13, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
When we finally win it, I want it to be like this:
1st) NJ or Philly
Quarter) Ottawa
Semi) Montreal
Final) Detroit
Of course a Toronto/Montreal final would be insane.
Honourable mention to the Carolina Hurricanes, who just had to go and prevent both a Toronto-Montreal Eastern Conference Final AND a Toronto-Detroit Stanley Cup Final.
2002 coulda been the dream season for us. And then, in 2006, we could’ve seen the 8th-seeded Oilers come out of nowhere to win a Stanley Cup.
In conclusion, Carolina ruins EVERYTHING. Fucking Hurricanes.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 13, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately after wars with the Isles and the Sens we would have gotten DISMANTLED by a scary good Red Wings team.
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Yep
Especially if the Leafs had won that series, it’d have been seven games. Three seven game series, while the Wings weren’t really tested all in the first two rounds (Games 1 and 2 vs. the Canucks in Round 1 aside).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 13, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
fixed
Damnit Gretzky… Kerry Fraser…
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Dec 13, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Rivalry is being re-born...
Congrats on the victory. I’ve only checked in here once in the past, and got it handed to me by true pro’s of know it all. I was defending Carey Price, and promised to check back throughout the season to back up my claims.
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Any new count clocks?
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Ya, the day your signature becomes a reality.
/smug
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Damn did we ever strike a chord with you. You must have been really butt hurt over that Carey Price clock to come back here twice now, two months after Price got his first home win in 6+ months huh?
As Chemmy said before Operation Carey Price Clock is a rousing success.
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I only came one back..
once the discussion was about Leafs vs Habs rivalry.
Talk about striking cords..
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Looks like the rivalry is alive and well.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, you leave my pants out of this…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 13, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You understand that the clock was a fact and having your #1 starter win a game at home isn’t some “who’s stupid now?” moment to be smug about, yes?
Pick a side here; are you proud your starter finally won a game at home or are conference finals appearances ho hum? You guys seemed to enjoy your first one since 93.
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ya but they lost that conference final, so it didn’t really matter. it wasn’t an important conference final Chemmy. the Habs win the important games, remember?
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
There could just as easily be several clocks of that nature. You guys posted it, were being proud of the humour and were relentless in defending how telling the that clock was.
Imagine if we had clocks suchs “How long it’s been since the leafs made a smart trade”…or the big one…“Hours since the leafs won the….”
Im sure some fans take pride in irrelevant comical stats of the sort…doesn’t mean they can’t be confronted. I don’t see the need to “chose sides” as you say…
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I’ve never said people need to “chose (sic) sides”.
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How long it’s been since the leafs made a smart trade
See, that falls one way or the other. We can (and do) debate both the Phaneuf and Kessel trades here. There’s really no debate surrounding when a goalie last won a home game.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Is there any debating...
how long it’s been since the leafs won a cup? Does it mean anything really about how good or bad the leafs are this season?
Same logic goes with how long it had been since Price won a home game. I wasn’t debating that fact in that thread, rather debating most of your judgment on how good (or bad) Carey Price really is.
We could say “sure that’s nice, but facts are facts and until the facts change, the leafs still suck”. There’s little sense in that…just like there was little sense in assessing how good Price is based on that clock..
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No, you see Price not winning a home game involves a player that plays for the Canadiens right now. The Leafs not winning a Cup involves guys who are 60.
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Well that player playing for the Canadiens right now is the best goalie overall(perhaps after Thomas) this season.
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If you think he is better than Thomas, you are insane
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I personally do yes. But that can be debated, and Price is 10 years younger, so meh..
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and people say Leaf fans are delusional
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I’d take plenty of goalies over Price. He’s playing well this year but it’s a tiny sample size. We’ll see how things look in April.
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i still say Price is going to want out of Montreal at the end of his contract
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
he shits the bed in a playoff series or two….again…. and we’ll see
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Just like Kadri will be a Hab
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Yeah. They treated him so well after they boo’d him off the ice. I can’t imagine why he would want to leave.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
So all Price cares about when choosing a team after his contract is the few hundred fans that boo him? Let it go man..
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There are a lot of people here (myself included) who believe Carey Price is a strong prospect. If he can overcome the mental pressures of playing in Montreal, he will be a good goaltender. That, would be something up for debate.
That doesn’t change how long it’s been since he last recorded a W at home. No one said he was a trash prospect, or that he’d never amount to anything. But he had an inordinate gap between home Ws.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Speaking of bad trades how’s Gomez doing? Cammalleri’s not scoring either. How much longer do you think Carey Price posts a .935?
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I’m confused – do those questions need a clock option or not?
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Gomez has been sht this year, but he’s a playoff performer and always has been. He played a big part in shutting down AO and Sid last fall.
Future Leafs fan.
Gomez played goal in a Halak jersey?
that guy IS good
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Gomez…shutting down…someone…? doe snot compute
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
He's a playoff performer?
In the two years he won a Stanley Cup he produced 0.5 ppg or less.
He has been better than a point per game in the playoffs twice in his career… and neither time did his team play more than 11 games.
He had 2 goals last year in the playoffs, and was a combined -6. He did have 14 points in 16 games, but considering he only had 59 points in 78 games, that was a nice rebound.
He isn’t a huge playoff performer.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
yes! burtch is here to drop some knowledge
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Shit’s about to get real.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Stats won’t show you puck posession by the player..fights won along the boards…time spent in the offensive zone where the Crosby’s and AO’s of this world are no danger. Did you actually watch habs hockey or are you a stat expert?
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I only watch around 200 NHL games during the regular season, I’m sure it pales in comparison to your hockey watching but the point is I’m trying.
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Oh right. Once the playoffs start I don’t watch hockey anymore. I catch up on all the soaps I’ve missed.
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p.s.
all the stats I just listed below are from the 2009-10 playoffs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Are you actually arguing
that Gomez is renowned for winning fights along the boards? Yanno what stat DOES correlate to puck possession? Corsi number.
Here’s the thing… Gomez had the best CORSI REL of all the Habs forwards that played significant minutes, at 13.1.
Unfortunately that’s just comparing him to his teammates… so you’re right he was the best of a bad group.
His Corsi On was a not so stellar -6.68. If you compare that to Washington’s Brooks Laich who had a Corsi On of 37.25… or 43.93 HIGHER than Gomez… then you might realize how god awful the Habs were in that series.
Or we could compare him to Sidney Crosby’s Corsi On of 32.53, which is 39.21 higher than Gomez. Again, illustrating just how god awful the Habs skaters were in comparison to their competition from a “puck possession” perspective.
To further that point, if you think the Habs were winning a shit tonne of battles on the boards while their “best player” was surrendering 40 more attempts on goal than the opposition in a 60 minute stretch, then you need to go out and smoke some more crack and watch re-runs of The Rocket…. again.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
why do you have to attack people so?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
It’s either the instinctive attacker in him.
Or facts, struggling to find their way out.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
BOOM, Green this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Yeah, he did a great job shutting them down by letting them bury him under shots. Tricky operator that Gomez!
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Can I request a “Days since we fleeced the Habs for Grabovski” clock?
Kthxbai.
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No you`re right, Greg Pateryn and the 2nd round pick turned out being much better.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Last season he played 59 games and would have been fifth on the Canadiens in scoring. This year he’d be tied for third with a game in hand.
Say hi to Greg Pateryn for us.
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by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Rec’d
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
When's the last time a trade worked out well for Montreal?
I mean aside from Lars Eller…
like really? Which impact players on Montreal were obtained via trade?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
they traded a 2nd for dominic moore…. oh wait, he’s already gone….
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Gomez and Tom Pyatt: contributing to a playoff team the past two years. Chris Higgins, Ryan McDonagh, and Pavel Valentenko: doing nothing.
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Phil Kessel: scoring 35+ goals.
Tyler Seguin: healthy scratch last night.
2011 First: 0.00000 PPG
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by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
if you couldnt see into the future? probably
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Heh, fine. Again, what was the point of each trade? Get the better players or create the better team? Montreal has improved since the trade (barely, admittedly), while the Rangers have gotten worse. Points aren’t everything.
And the Leafs have gotten worse since the trade. So have the Bruins.
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Glen Sather is an idiot and made plenty of other moves that have made his team worse
yet he still fleeced the Habs in that deal
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs are worse
since they traded for and then signed Kessel? You do realize that adding Kessel isn’t what led to the subtraction of half of the rest of the team right?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Seguin had the flu last night, officially.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 13, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
just like Komisarek had an ‘upper body injury’
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure Seguin’s not out with “being completely useless since getting pounded by Lucic”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 13, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
im pretty sure that Komisarek hasn’t been completly useless, but then facts and numbers mean nothing when you are over paid by a million five
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, we are fighting with a Habs fan here. We shouldn’t let this turn into a Leafs vs Bruins thing, its just what they want.
I didn’t start it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 13, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Except for the vast majority of that time, he wasn’t the #1 starter. In fact, wasn’t it determined he only played like twice or something at home in that time span? It was more a statement on how a lack of context can be used to distort reality.
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So him sitting on the bench behind his backup makes the clock untrue? He wasn’t sitting on the bench because he was winning games.
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Lack of opportunity is quite different from perceived incompetence.
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so, all those times he was booed last season were because of his fantastic play and lack of opportunity?
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
No it was part of the normal learning curve for player with his potential and this lack of experience. Not to mention the amount of pressure his role represents.
Future Leafs fan.
so his 13 wins and 20 losses last year had nothing to do with it?
fascinating…
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Do you not remember the Penguins teams he was on?
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Yeah, he isn’t really that good now.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
MAF is a bad goalie dude. I can’t even imagine what I’d think about him had we drafted him #1 overall ahead of Eric Staal, Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf, Mike Richards, Ryan Kesler…
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Imagine if the Pens had drafted literally ANY of those other guys, yikes, they could have won the Cup using Conklin.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Parise on Crosby’s wing…..terrifying
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
He is playing pretty well right now.
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He’s playing league average.
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you’re laughing at the guy you picked to compare Price too?
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
follow the convo, he was referring to MAF
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Read it again, he’s referring to MAF.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
in columbus
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think this might be the first ever instance of an “In Columbus” Squared comment.
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Oh shit, it’s like dividing by zero.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
We’re talking about Marc-Andre Fleury.
Jacques Demers, is that you?
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by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
asdflkjwoeji lwefjoiawefj ljdoaf84804-#$$ 31(%*%Die939-93 :)
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
funniest thing ive read all week
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
i guffawed
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
hah, twss
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
AWESOME!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
honest question
were you dropped on your head as a child, or thrown, touchdown style?
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
HONEY ZE HABS HAVE WON!
* wife runs in, spikes child *
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by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
CEST LE BUUUUUUUUUUUT
/splat
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
He’s below league average. I’m sure the fact that Pittsburgh only let’s 28 shots against per game has nothing to do with Fleury’s below average sv% yet above average GAA right?
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what does that have to do with anything?
is MAF being called “Jesus” in Pittsburgh?
Price stunk last year. Halak was better. Halak won the starter role, and carried the Habs all the way to the conference finals. Price is playing fantastic now.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
you’re arguing that Price was good last year.
are you now agreeing with me?
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
That Carey Price played poorly for a while and lost the starter job and because of that went a long time between home wins which we truthfully pointed out much to the dismay of Habs fans who’ve spent untold hours yelling “1967” and “you suck” at us.
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please ban this guy. he’s a piss poor troll. not even entertaining. just circular arguments that go nowhere…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
But blurr you don’t understand the clock that told the time since Carey Price’s last home win was untruthful because you don’t understand the context.
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It’s proving a point that there is still a rivalry… which is sort of the point of this post… I think?
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
FAN THE FLAMES RIVALRY REBORN
HABS BLOW!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
DIE HABS DIE!!!! CRAW!
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
So you guys boo your 21 year old goalie and its part of the learning curve?
Nice
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He was booed way more in 08-09 than in 09-10.
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You say it as if you’re proud of that.
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You’re still arguing against a fact.
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I’m showing how irrelevant said fact is.
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And I never once disputed your claim.
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No one said it was relevant and world shattering except for the mountains of Habs fans foaming at the mouth because of a perceived sleight against a guy they regularly booed until he got red hot and is now amazing again.
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How about a new clock...
… that shows the decline in Price’s save percentage over the season?
I’ll put money on him ending up at .890
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
All Leaf Fans Are Rich....
Rich in heart, courage, imagination, intelligence, generosity and length, breadth and girth of dick.
Not that Team Cop-Car-Burning-Hooligan-Smurf types such as yourself would have any acquaintance with those.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
don’t forget that they rub shoe polish on their faces and wear comically sized afros because their number 1 prospect is black.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
It’s not racist they’re just supporting him.
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Wow,I leave this site for an hour and a half and miss a 250 comment fight with a Habs fan. Loving reading through this, but I want to know why this isn’t green.
If this is a fight with Habs fans, then I think it’s going about as well as MacArthur-Spacek did.
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by clrkaitken on Dec 13, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’d.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Heh you’re buddy is the one keeping you in it
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errr
your
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Was GSP-Koscheck a fight? Because this one is about as even as that one.
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If you’re handing out free money, you might as well hand it out to me, considering he’s never had an .890 SV% before.
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Did you forget the past two playoffs?
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Like many of your other revelations you thought wrong.
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Here’s another factual clock I’m sure you’ll enjoy.
Time since you made a coherent point: http://bit.ly/gBPbPz
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We’re hockey fans
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Talk about using small sample sizes… he played what, 5 periods last year? 4 games the year before?
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You didn’t define a minimum sample size to state he’d never had an .890.
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Good god, you’re desperate. Besides, he said season.
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If you’re handing out free money, you might as well hand it out to me, considering he’s never had an .890 SV% before.
missing word: season
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Comment in response to:
“How about a new clock…
… that shows the decline in Price’s save percentage over the season?”
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Thomas, Pavelec and Price’s performance this season so far are the number 1, 2, and 4 all time single season save percentage records.
Pretty good chance the two of those who haven’t won a Vezina regress. Brian Elliott played 20some games at a .935 pace last season, is he Ottawa’s savior?
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http://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/save_pct_season.html
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How the f is Vesa Toskala 15th all-time?
by Leaf in Habland on Dec 13, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
The San Jose Sharks
are a good defensive team, and cocaine is a helluva drug.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Here on PPP
We always talk about how quality of shots over a season for a team are generally the same.
I’m willing to concede that Toskalol was at one point a decent goalie…but when he came to the Leafs he just suffered from “Steve Blass” disease, like Rick Ankiel or something. Maybe he just got worse, and was never able to recover.
All the other names on that list are good goalies who had great years. Is Toskala the only exception?
What if the mule didn't kick back?
Again, I’ve never made the argument that he’d post a .935 by year’s end. He definitely won’t have an .890 by season’s end, though.
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Ironical
let’s say Carey Price plays 75 games this season (not ridiculous given how many he’s played so far).
Let’s say that means he plays another 48 games facing 30 shots per game. That’s 1440 shots. If he posts an .890 SV% for the rest of the year, that’d give him 2039 saves on 2250 shots… or a .906 SV% on the season.
He probably won’t drop that low, but it wouldn’t be a completely implausible number considering he had a .905 SV% 2 years ago… just saying.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
To further my point
let’s say he drops to his career SV% of .912 (entering this year) over the course of the rest of the season (3684 SVS, 4039 SA).
That means he really only needs to maintain a .899 SV% (1295 SVS from 1440 SA). Good luck with that the rest of the way.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
You also can't escape the fact
that so far the Habs have faced the easiest schedule in the NHL on the basis of goals above vs. goals below average. Price has had an easier time of it than any starter in the NHL so far. That helps jack up them numbers. (-0.19 SOS on Hockey-Reference.com)
In comparison Pavelec is facing a +0.04 SOS on Hockey-Reference.com… the Thrashers have had a tougher go of it than the Habs by far.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
This would be a point to discuss
the fact that the odds of 3 goalies setting a new record for SV% in a single season are approximately nil.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m desperate? You’re arguing sample size to wave away Price smearing shit all over himself in the playoffs. Remember the mock cheers because he made a save? Remember Phil Kessel and Michael Ryder lighting the lamp so often they had to wear sunscreen?
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Considering I said earlier that ‘92 and ’09 were the most embarassing moments of my fandom, yeah, I remember. I also remember the Bruins doing the same to Patrick Roy, so it’s not like I thought Carey Price was a terrible goalie based on a 4 game series, which seems to be what you guys are arguing.
And it also doesn’t mean he’s the next Roy, to avoid the next ridiculous argument in a long line of them being made.
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To be fair, you’re the one who used Roy as the comparable, plenty of Habs goalies have been lit up since him, Huet, Thibault, Theodore, why didn’t you pick one of them?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say Carey Price was a bad goalie forever because of a playoff series, I pointed out that in a playoff series he had an .890.
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And any Habs-related sample size has to include a 20% Smurf discount.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
I bet we can get one for the day you learn the reply button
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I find rivalries in sports to be pretty fascinating things.
Personally, I don’t consider Ottawa one of the Leafs’ rivals. They could contract and I wouldn’t even blink.
Growing up in the 70s, I had a huge hatred for the Habs and the Flyers, which carries on to this day. In the 80s, it was all about the (Chuck) Norris Division. I’d much rather the Leafs played against Detroit, Chicago and St. Louis than Ottawa, Buffalo or Boston.
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Detroit, St. Louis and Chicago? We’d draft first overall for the next ten years.
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So…… guaranteed Cup?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
S’ok by me, I’d still rather play those teams than just about any other so-called rival.
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Detroit and Chicago yes.
Personally, never really felt any sort of rivalry with the Blues. It may just be my age tho
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Wendel vs Cujo?
GILMOUR VS CUJO?
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ONE series.
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Who can forget Sergio Momesso putting one through Alan Bester from 75’ out in 1990?
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I was 6, yet I vaguely remember that goal.
I loved Alan Bester by the way.
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I always remember that goal eliminating the Leafs, but it didn’t. I think it put them down 3-1 in the series.
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I wish I was born earlier…
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Great to see him on the ice on Saturday.
by Leaf in Habland on Dec 13, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
What a great series. When I got into MLG just over a year ago, the first goal I thought of as I walked the rink bed was Gilmour’s double OT wrap-around. Don’t know why it came to me, but that’s what went through my head as I stood next to the old goal pegs.
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KYPREOS VS FUHR?!
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
There's things to enjoy about bein' old, sonny.
Like being able to piss into your boot whenever you want.
When. Ever.
Yeah.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
no one wears boots any more gramps!
we all wear space shoes and crocs!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
You ever tried to piss in a croc? They’re hopeless.
(Set up for Steve Irwin joke. Now don’t frack it up young fella.)
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
As a Leaf fan, I feel like my only rivals are the Sens, Habs and Bruins
Hey, if you’re gonna call us birds you might as well call us chickens.
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Yeah, I like watching Philly play the Leafs more.
by Robert James on Dec 13, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Philly
has more recent history with the Leafs than the Bruins do for sure.
Buffalo would also be higher on the list.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot about Buffalo. Agreed. Mind you, beating Boston lately does bring a certain smug satisfaction…
by Robert James on Dec 13, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
..keep in mind I barely remember the Leafs being in the playoffs.
Since the two trades, I’ve wanted the Bruins to lose miserably. That, combined with the way we play against them makes me dislike them
Hey, if you’re gonna call us birds you might as well call us chickens.
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I hate Philly from the 70s and the modern era. It’s nice to have some consistencies in life.
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cause they have all our prospects and we cannot wish them any good will
actually they are a rival to me mainly because my best friend is a Bruins fan
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the influence of friends and family is another key ingredient to a good rivalry.
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Why are there any other words here other than "Fuck The Habs?"
There is no universe in which there is any hate greater than that of Leaf fans for the Habs.
If you question this, time to take off the sweater.
Or let Wendel remove it for you.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST reply actions
You ever tried to piss in a croc? They’re hopeless.
(Set up for Steve Irwin joke. Now don’t frack it up young fella.)
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions
I’m enjoying this stand-alone non sequitur.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think this thread proved something
The rivalry is alive and well
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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nah, the Leafs will lose to the Pens in a 7 game series where the Leafs decimate the Pens roster, and the habs get blown out of the water by the Sabres when Miller goes Halak on them
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
First one, then the other.
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We don’t draft guy who can help win games
We do draft guys who got french names.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t worry Louis we got you a Christmas gift:
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by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All senior citizens should wear life alert.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
and Leblanc takes a shot! oh he wiffs on it, now he is on his back for some reason
now he throws a body check, OH he misses and he’s on the ice again
best highlight pack ever
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Who’s the leafs top prospect again? Who’s the leafs top player again? That’s right…without the prospect of Kadri lighting it up in the future your future is dimmer than your present. Let it go pal…not the angle you want to approach!
Future Leafs fan.
Whos the Habs top prospect? The Pressbox king? all your best players are 30 and over save for cammalerri and hes almost there
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Greg McKegg
Brad Ross
Keith Aulie (he’s as tall as three Giontas, in skates!)
sadly, no LebOWWW I FELLLlanc
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri > Leblanc
who else do the Habs have? Lars “all we could get for the only reason we didnt get destroyed last year” Eller?
Max Paxioretty?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, the leafs have 2 prospects at canada’s WJC teams camp. They have one at Norways who is arguably their best player and Jerry D’Amigo who plays for USA, was a beast in last years.
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They also once had Kyle Wellwood, Ian White, and Carlo Colaiacovo all on one single Canadian WJC team.
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right….because the Leafs drafted well and had good young players at the time…that is horrible
much better than not having any significant prospects of their own they can name off hand who played for canada at the WJC
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
no kidding. White and Carlo are both contributing at the NHL level on a regular basis at least, its not like they were Jeff Ware and Brendan Convery
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh we remember that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Ya the same Colaiacovo who would be 2nd in both goals and points amongst d-men if he were a Hab.
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Didn’t say they were bad. Just said counting WJC prospects is pretty irrelevant. Back then, Hockey’s Future thought Montreal had the top prospect group in the league. Didn’t do much for them.
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judging the past on its failures is just as bad as judging it on its successes
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Because the constant bashing of Price was well displayed in the comments section in that article. Same with his defense, and the proof today.
Future Leafs fan.
that doesnt even make sense, exactly what are you arguing? that we think price isnt as good as his numbers show, but is still a pretty good goalie who will be boo’d mercilessly when his defense evaporates and the mental aspect of his game falls apart? or that you seem to think he is amazing and immune from any criticism even when obvious flaws in his game have been exposed time and again?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
or that he is THAT good and will continue to be…while leafs rot and continue to bash him based on the past.
Future Leafs fan.
When we posted that clock, it wasn’t the past – it was the present.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Price has yet to prove he is capable of playing at this level under pressure for an extended period, the onus of proof is on him
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel only has 11 goals, but he will have 50, is it his fault its only december?
kessel haters will always have an excuse
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew Raycroft once won 37 games, just sayin.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
im on pace for 48 beers today.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
hey, remember when Price was in the playoffs shooting pucks at players who had just scored on him and trying to throw punches at guys from the bench?
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
remember when Gilmour was shattering glass in the penalty box in a habs uni...
good times…good times…
Future Leafs fan.
thats offside bud
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
i know i know, im just kidding. The thought of gilmour in a habs jersey is offside.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dougie had a brain-worm at that time.
Fortunately, they got a cream for it.
You should try it. It’s called “Un-Hab-It-You-Ate” or something like that.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I love that you still are arguing that.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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It wasn’t stupid or irrelevant because it mad a ton of Habs fans really mad and brought us in a ton of traffic.
In easier to understand terms making Habs fans mad makes me money.
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Haha 90% of its purpose was to piss off Habs fans. I’d say it did exactly what it was supposed to.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Except there were already like 150 comments of Leafs fans hi-fiving each other for the “slam” before any Habs fans commented in that thread.
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Nah you’re right, no one ever took pleasure in watching Toskala’s numbers vaporize when he played here.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
And turns out we accurately predicted the response.
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ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?!?!? PART OF THE GAG WAS THAT MORONS LIKE YOU WOULD NOT REALIZE THAT THE CLOCK COUNTED ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OF THE OFF-SEASON AND ONLY ABOUT TWO GAMES.
IF YOU CAN’T BE FUNNY AT LEAST BE NOT RETARDED LIKE BRUCE.
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
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by PPP on Dec 13, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I changed his signature when he came here for the first time months ago.
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I made a comment about it after his first comment today
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See that Habs fans? We can not only beat you in the alleys, we can BEAT YOU WITH CAPS LOCK.
Next up? Beating you on ice.
Oh. Now we’re doing that too. Niiiiiice.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
You forgot
Matt Stajan.. he was on that team too.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. The Leafs don’t have a strong up and coming defensive defenseman, or two goaltending prospects who were considered the best prospects not under contract at the time of their signing. And they definitely don’t have a 35+ goal sniper. And they’re definitely not a young team.
Damn, that future doesn’t look bright at all. I wish we could pay someone $7 million until they’re in their mid 30s.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Ross, McKegg, Frattin, D’Amigo, Olden
By the way, the Rangers say thanks for Ryan McDonagh.
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Rynnas, Scrivens, Reimer…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Blacker, Holzer.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, add in Aulie.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, one guy who might make the NHL as 4-6 D in a couple of years. I’m glad the Rangers are so pumped about that.
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Montreal traded for Scott Gomez. The Rangers signed Marian Gaborik with the money saved.
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not because of gaborik
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Solely because of Gaborik. Point well made.
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Gomez for Gaborik was their big swap that year. It’s like they didn’t have a centre that could play with him or something.
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dude had 40+ goals….
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Rangers missed the playoffs by a point and as such Gomez is an excellent player.
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Well, Gaborik could have scored in the shootout for them or something.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
blame Tortorella for that one
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
New York flipped Gomez for Gaborik and Montrel was the team who facilitated the whole thing. I’m amazed you guys don’t get a standing ovation every time you play in MSG.
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Hockey’s Future Top 50 Prospects:
#18
McDonagh is the Canadiens top prospect. A first-round draft selection in 2007, McDonagh is a big, powerful blueliner who can provide an offensive punch. Expected to be more of a defensive blueliner when he turns pro, McDonagh is an excellent skater, with good positioning and gap control. The St. Paul, Minnesota native has good instincts and is developing more physical play. He recently completed his sophomore season at the University of Wisconsin, and competed in the 2009 U20 WJCs. Expected to become a first pairing blueliner over the next few years, McDonagh is weighing his options as to whether he will return to Wisconsin for his junior year.
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by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
i do approve of the “brave new world” reference.
that was what you were going for right?
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Kinda lost on the Habs fans, I’m afraid.
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Sorry you’re taking it out of context.
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plus
it will only matter once the Habs deem it worthy of their attention.
Only so many cop cars to go around in that city, and lighter fluid is scarce. they can’t burn stuff down after EVERY loss…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sure there are some decent ones
like the folks in this crowd celebrating the win Carey Price got them by putting his name on a stop sign. I mean, just because there’s cops in riot gear doesn’t mean there’s anything to expect…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t be ridiculous. Some of you are just hooligans.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
indeed...
While many are just as intelligent and knowledgeable as some leafs fans! I know..hard to believe, but trust me, its true.
Future Leafs fan.
toronto riots during playoffs that I can remember off hand
zero
Montreal riots during playoffs that i can remember off hand
two
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying the top 2% of Habs fans are as smart as the dumbest 2% of Leafs fans?
I probably gotta give you that.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
you keep bringing that up like it means something
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
He’s like the subtarded guy with an onion ring.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
What’s that lassie? Are you trying to tell us something? Timmy is trapped in the well of poor commentary and terrible fandom? We should ban him? We should ban the crap out him?
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by Bower Power on Dec 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont know why this is supposed to be insulting.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Their starter won a game at home after only 200 days. Boy is there egg on my face; when I made the counter I thought Carey Price would die before winning at home.
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by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
when I made the counter I thought Carey Price would die before winning at home.
He does allegedly smoke, which could lead to all sorts of health issues.
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I was at a bar in montreal on Saturday night, and the waiter threatened to spit in my friends food because he was wearing a komisarek jersey.
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Good tactic. I’d be sure to tip very well for professional service there.
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Just tell them you’ll pee on their plush seats.
That’s what i always do.
Whether I want to or not.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly wouldn’t know what to do if a waiter threatened to spit in my food. I’d probably just stand up and leave for maximum comedy.
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Go take a huge dump in the middle of the bathroom floor – tell the waiter you left him his tip in there.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 13, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Combined age of Montreal’s defence? 194 years
Combined height of Montreal’s forwards? 194 cm.
Coincidence? I think not.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
So a team whose forwards combine to make 2 meters in height, makes the playoffs and eliminates the top 2 teams in the east, while one as great as the leafs misses the playoffs again and continues to count the years. I get it…i get it…makes total sense.
Future Leafs fan.
I don’t think anyone here thinks the Leafs are good at ice hockey.
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hmmm, this explains why they are so bad….
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
you guys must spend a ton on gift baskets for Halak
I know we spend a tone on mail bombs to toskala
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Price has been just as good this year as Halak was last year. Also 2 years younger and cheaper. I thought you’d be over that already..
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Halak dragged a sub par Habs into the playoffs and then to the eastern finals
Price has back stopped a team that is playing well through less than half the season
colour me unimpressed
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hey at least Lars Eller looks great.
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I think Eller's got real potential.
So at least when Price crumbles, they’ll have someone to put in nets.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Price > Halak
Price + Eller + Plekanec (couldnt affor him and Halak) > > > > Halak
get over it
Future Leafs fan.
I don’t need to get over anything, I’m not saying that the Habs had to keep both goaltenders, I’m just saying that the Habs traded the better player and didn’t seem to get that great of value.
Eller is a good prospect, but he won’t have near the impact Halak did in the near future
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
This is a Leafs blog, the only one who needs to “Get over” anything is you over that countdown clock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
oh i am well over it...
but i promised i’d be back to back up my claims in what i wrote defending Price 2 months ago.
and its my pleasure
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since the topic is rivalry..
and you guys are fresh off a win vs our backup on the 2nd night of back to backs…figured you’d be at your best!
Future Leafs fan.
but the leafs are super terrible and the habs are amazing! the habs should be able to beat the leafs no matter what!
get over it
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
2nd night of back to backs
Leafs 4th game in 6 nights.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Montreal lost to Toronto’s backup twice this season.
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But, I thought that the back-up was a super awesome goalie who just wasn’t given opportunity, or does that only apply to Price? Can we get a Auld related countdown Chemmy?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Your backup
that had a career .937 SV% against the Leafs going in.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
why should he be better? well he shouldnt, but the Habs should have gotten a better deal for playoff MVP Halak. Did Jaro have them over a barrel with his contract status? sure, doesnt mean the habs didnt trade him for below market on a pure value stand point
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
according to TSN insiders mcguire and dregar the habs never even shopped him. they pretty much took the 1st offer that came their way.
Why? well, apparently they were afriad of the backlash from the fans if word got out that Halak was being shopped. They just wanted to get it over with asap.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
The Habs announced they were shopping Halak back in November 2009. Philly refused to give up a 2nd rounder for him at the time.
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the point is that they could have probably gotten more than eller
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
They’re just flabbergasted that Halak was traded for essentially the same thing it cost them to get Vesa Toskala.
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comparing regular GM’s to JFJ is jut unfair, that’s like bragging about beating a blind , one legged two year old in a foot race
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Which is exactly why the Habs did great in the Halak deal. Eller’s a very good young player. Considering the Blues could’ve just re-signed Mason and kept Eller, that’s a pretty strong return.
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St. Louis won that trade by a mile.
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yup, instead of settling, they decided to go get the best goaltender in the NHL at the time for a prospect deemed expendable by their damned good forward youth depth
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Montreal decided to deal from their position of strength to address a position of weakness, thanks to their great job in developing young goaltenders that other teams would’ve wanted.
It’s the exact same fucking thing.
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Well so long as you think Eller will become an impact player.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, the guy’s from a country named after a PASTRY, for God’s sake.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
And what an awesome country it is.
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Sorry
but how the hell is drafting Carey Price “developing” him? What exactly did Montreal do to “develop” him?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
toss him to the wolves and boo the shit out of him
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Then what’d they do to develop Halak? All they did was draft him.
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No
I’m not saying he had no development time… but what did they do to develop Price? Seriously.
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by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Development camps, coaching, minor league time, practice… what does developing entail? That’s the same thing they did with Halak.
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Carey Price is also Jesus, so his development time was far shorter than most mortal men.
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So you're calling
2 regular season AHL games, followed by 22 AHL playoff games a significant amoung of “minor league time”?
Do you really think the minor league coaching staff said anything to the rookie in a crazy playoff run something other than “keep doing what you’re doing kid”… somehow I doubt there was a lot of constructive criticism.
Then the next year he was on the All-Rookie team and considered one of the top young starters in the NHL.
Then the wheels fall off a bit in years 2 and 3, and he rides the pine behind Halak (who he had leapfrogged en route to the NHL).
What did they do to “develop” him in those crap seasons?
He was a 1st round, 5th overall pick that was basically thrown into the net with virtually no development time in the minors. That isn’t “developing” an NHL goalie.
He’s a good player, but I don’t think they’ve done that much to “develop” him… though that’s just a personal sentiment.
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by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
St Louis had already told Mason that they were not going to pay his desired 3.75 M.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
And then Mason signed for 1.5M. You want to talk about a loser in that trade? There you go.
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yes, Mason, he thought he could milk his play, and no one wanted to pay him that so he had to settle
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Mason is 34, and isn’t above .900 right now. I woudn’t sign Chris Mason for 1.5M, let alone the 3.75 he was asking, unless I was using him on the cheap to shelter a prospect. St Louis doesn’t have a star prospect, so they let the at-best-average, would-have-been-overpaid, old goalie go, and got a young starter on the cheap.
There you go.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
And what other RFA goalie has ever landed a bigger return than Eller?
Gah. Andrew Raycroft.
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Roloson went for a 1st rounder to EDM, was he an RFA at the time?
Goalie Gerald Coleman (who?) went with a 1st for Shane O’Brien and a 3rd.
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Until proven otherwise I’m going to say that every RFA goalie with significant NHL experience who has been traded brought back more than Lars Eller.
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The only one that went for less was Huet and Montreal pulled the trigger on that deal too.
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Heh JFJ sure does stink at trades. 
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yea, but once the trade deadline kicked in there was no longer any possibility of a trade. once the trade window opened back up the habs got rid of halak as quickly as they could
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Again, why do you view factual statements as if they were attacks. You are aware of the period of time that exists where trades cannot be made yes?
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How do you know they didn’t call up other GM’s befoer officializing the Halak trade. Eller is our most promising center after Plekanec. Price has already made up for Halak..where’s the harm exactly?
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officializing
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
/le sigh.
because Darren Dregar said so…? to Bill Watters on the air…? i dunno… maybe im completley wrong.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I find it amazing that people think they could have done better. There is no evidence in past deals to suggest they got hosed, or could’ve done better, as JFJ is no longer a GM in the NHL.
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there is also no evidence to suggest that he could not have gotten better either
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
i find it amazing that people think they COULDNT have done better.
it happens more than people realize. Even the phaneuf deal, there were GMs in the league that said they would have offered more for Dion than the Leafs did.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Of course they say that. But then, why didn’t they? Everyone knew Phaneuf was available, just as everyone knew a goalie was available out of Montreal.
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several GMs stated after the Phaneuf deal that if they had known he was available they would have offered more
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Saying ain’t doing. And everyone knew he was on the block, he was an awful contract who didn’t get along with the coach and was regressing.
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Several GMs said they had no idea he was available and would have offered more, don’t think you can really claim that EVERYONE knew he was available.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I can’t claim that every GM has common sense.
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Well, that’s an easy claim to back up with facts.
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you can try and out-ridicule a Leafs fan on things pertaining to JFJ or Toskala, but I doubt you could…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
shhh
the adults are talking.
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Habs were limited because they NEEDED a second line player on an ELC. Better cap management would’ve let them look for better prospects (someone on an RFA deal rather than ELC, for instance).
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
the habs "needed"
a 2nd line player on ELC? Why couldn’t they just call up one of the many players playing for Hamilton who do so well regularly in the AHL?
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by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
cause they dont do well past the AHL?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Because they also needed to get back someone for Halak (I guess they weren’t interested in picks?).
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Eller is a recent mid-first round draft pick. Why would picks be any better?
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Needed? Maybe. But fact is, everyone wants a 2nd line player on an ELC. Everyone wants a top 4 D on an ELC, too. They are incredibly valuable.
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Just to clear it up, though, he’s seeing 10m ATOI a night, and has 6 points in 29 games. He’s not an impact player at this point. He may be in the future, but he’s not now. My point is that they were actually fairly restricted in who they could try to acquire, due to cap constraints (especially since Price hadn’t been resigned at that point).
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Yeah, and they were dealing with a league where 80% of the teams were within 10% of the cap or their budget as well.
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Sure, but because the Habs were so close to the cap, they couldn’t even target a good number of players. I think that’s where the sentiment of “they could have done better [if they had managed a better cap situation]” comes in – a sentiment I am inclined to agree with.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
I guess this whole “they could’ve done better” thing irks me because on TSN, their panelists suggested Goats could’ve gotten Oshie or Perron. I don’t know how that could’ve been possible… that’s a hell of a step from very promising prospect to absolutely guaranteed top 6 forward. They never go around the league and give comparables, like San Jose offering Couture or something. It’s pretty ridiculous.
Eller is a very good young player. Yeah, he’s playing 10 a game right now, though he’s slaughtering in those 10 minutes. That’s something the Habs didn’t have before, and it’s made them a better team this year. And Eller still has one more year of his ELC left to start pushing his production up.
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Price has already made up for Halak
I totally missed the part where Price also dragged your overmatched team to a Conference Finals.
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His play so far this year has been better than anything Halak has done in the reg season. Trust that i’ll be back in the playoffs to talk more smack..
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playoff performance > regular season performance
just as Nabokov
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Halak had a .934 in the 07-08 regular season.
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And the Habs were negotiating throughout the playoffs for Halak. He went from being worth a second rounder to a NHL ready first rounder and a 3rd rounder who had turned professional.
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no, but am640 did.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Because goalies get traded for proven All-Stars all the time in today’s NHL. I mean, when the Dallas Stars were choosing between Mike Smith and Marty Turco, they were able to demand Brad Richards.
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Halak > Mike Smith
Brad Richards > Lars Eller
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Eller does look great. His CORSI/Scoring Chance differential is incredible.
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So was Washington’s in last year’s playoffs.
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And I don’t think Montreal is better than Washington. But it’s weird that you’re using that as some kind of burn or something.
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it’s funny how the two Habs fans here keep taking facts as burns or slights.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not “weird” that he’s using that as a burn.
It’s a double burn.
You’re just not clever enough to get it.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, Price is doing with without Markov, and we haven’t played great hockey at all this year. We’re capable of much better. The only consistent aspect to our game has been price’s absurd steady play.
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Distinction.
You may be capable of better.
But you’re likely to be worse.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
You know what I like best when arguing with you? That little underscore in the middle of your name. You_know.
It’s_so_cute.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
You might notice that the name of the site is “Pension Plan Puppets” and not “We Think The Leafs Are Super Great At Ice Hockey and Haven’t Been Around For the Past 43 Years Why Do You Keep Saying 1967?”
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just think, instead of PPP this place could be" WTTLASGAIHAHBAFTP43YWDYKS1967"
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 13, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
We’re lulling the idiots of the league into a false sense of security.
Judging from your responses here today, we’ve achieved our aim.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Im out…it was fun battling 1 on 50. I’ll be back in a few months and certainly can’t wait to drop a line from the playoffs. Enjoy your misery and what elevates you out of it!
Future Leafs fan.
That was more akin to that scene in American History X where the character you’d play had to bite a curb than anything resembling a fight.
Go eat a jar of paste and come back to entertain us later.
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Man, I live in Montreal, and I’ve heard co-workers who are supposedly Habs fans go on and on about the Leafs for a surprising amount of time. The Kessel trade, the Phaneuf trade, guys who play on the 4th line . . . I swear if I didn’t know better I’d think some of them were Leaf fans, since they seem to know more about the Leafs than the Habs. No rivalry for them either, I’m sure.
One of my best pals is a Sens fan. I’d say 80% of his hockey chatter is about the Leafs, 10% is about the Habs (he lives in MTL) and the rest is about the Sens.
When he wants to talk Sens, I have to tell him I have no idea what he’s on about – I don’t pay any attention to that team.
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you guys still have Heatly and Chara right?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, but you probably have something really awesome to show for it right?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who the hell do they have? I’m not kidding. I can maybe name 9 guys on their roster (Spezza, Alfredsson, Kovalev, Regin, Foligno, Carkner, Neil, LeClaire, & the old D-man that used to be in Pittsburgh).
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Those are about the only names I can think of too.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
ummmmm, Elliot…..Phillips, Kuba (lul) that Karlsson kid is pretty good, Ruutu i remember because Frogren almost ended him……..
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oh right
forgot Karlsson and Kuba… they’re not that bad… Elliot is their starter that’s only good enough to start when Leclaire is injured but consistently puts up better numbers than Leclaire when he starts… never have figured that one out.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, pretty much the only reason I remembered Karlsson is because i have him on my fantasy team (dont judge me) and i remember phillips for his cup winning goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I actually have him on mine
also… so don’t worry I won’t judge… but notice I Forgot about him?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I actually do know most of Ottawa's roster
but they’re pretty shite.
Don’t forget Michalek, Fisher, Winchester, or the rest of their awesome D corps… Phillips and nobody.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Cheechoo?
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Gone.
before the season started.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I know.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
gesundheit
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nice.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 13, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you. Sens are no more than any other division rival. And given our playoff history, us hating the Sens is like the hammer hating the nail.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 13, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Media bombardment.
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Bullshit
Kim Kardashian’s show is being heavily advertised but I’m not talking about her dresses, her perfume, her debit card (LOL), or her weight.
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So are the Leafs sexier than Kim Kardashian, then? Talk about fucked up.
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Well, without going too blue, I’ve seen videos of her doing similar things to the Leafs…
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You probably don’t have an inferiority complex about American celebrities the way people in Montreal have about anything from Ontario.
by Draglikepull on Dec 13, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Inferiority complex? Where the hell did that come from? Snobbery, yes. Inferiority complex… uh, no.
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And so with another successful NNN under his belt our hero rode off into the sunset.
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by Chemmy on Dec 13, 2010 5:07 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Glad to help you out.
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Heh. You should come back when habby truth isn’t around.
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agreed
I liked your comments Bruce Peter. I think most “venom” (for lack of a better word) was firmly directed at “habby_truth”
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
habby_truth
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You are literally too dumb to insult.
Dear God. They grow them dumb in Habsland.
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I bet that dumbass is going to keep posting that link of Jokinen and the floating waffle to prove we’re dumb when he realises there is no floating waffle.
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no floating waffles?
my life no longer has meaning
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 13, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Some days, I just sit, for hours. Alone…. Thinkin’ ’bout that waffle.
Then I have me some syrup, just to numb the pain.
Slorp.
by not norm ullman on Dec 13, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
He’s going to cut himself on Occam’s razor someday.
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Did you actually ban someone?
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by Karina on Dec 13, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I ban lots of people. I usually let well-meaning stupidity fly but this became tiresome.
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you just didn’t understand the context.
see, when the Habs lose to the Leafs, it’s because the game doesn’t matter. In fact, the Habs ONLY lose when the games don’t matter. And when they do matter, Carey Price stops chain smoking, puts down his copy of Naughty School Girls Monthly and concentrates, thereby becoming “Jesus Price” instead of “Jesus! Price!”. But, when he does lose the game, or a series, or generally just shits the bid the entire season (see the aforementioned “Jesus! Price!”), it’s due to his youth and inexperience, or small sample size. Also, JFJ, Toskala, 1967.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 13, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
hero
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by Karina on Dec 13, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's ok
they have proven playoff performer Scott Gomez to give up 40 extra scoring chances against (best on the team!) and produce maximum assist production possible. That’ll bail them out when their goaltending slows down as it almost inevitably will.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
20%
of their losses are attributable to Toronto.
If they fail to make the playoffs I think that’s relevant.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
This was entertaining.
You can tell no one comments at their site – they are extremely bad at carrying a discussion.
"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 13, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions
The smell of burning police cars must also be pretty distracting, and not very good for your brain cells.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Dec 13, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Random serious question
completely unrelated to the Habs discussion.
Anyone think Bruce Boudreau might get fired in Washington? 6 losses in a row doesn’t look good for a Stanley Cup Contender.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
nor does
4-7-2 in their last 13 games.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Toronto in their last 13? 6-6-1… obviously we’re better than Washington now… parade routes anyone?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
The Miami Heat lost 8 in a row and Spoelstra is still their coach! Granted, they’re not favourites to win the Stanley Cup.
I give Boudreau a little more time. Six losses in a row can happen even to good teams…though usually because of injuries.
Well
the Capitals are missing Schultz… their top +/- player from last year… that’s a valid concern.
Other than that it’s Tyler Sloan and DJ King… and Mike Green has the flu apparently… which won’t make shit easier for them.
Either way, they’re playing like garbage. 7-0 to the Rangers? Seriously? That’s atrocious.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I think Boudreau gets a little leeway because of the massive turnaround the team had when he first took over.
If they fall much farther though, he’s gotta be gone.
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by Karina on Dec 13, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
They’re suffering from Leafitis.
They had 38 shots against Dallas, Raycroft let 1 in.
46 shots against Atlanta, Pavelec let 1 in
36 shots against Florida…couldn’t score.
42 shots against Colorado…Anderson only let 2 in.
I don’t know if they’ve actually been playing well, since I haven’t watched them…but they’re getting tonnes of shots and are either getting stoned, have been unlucky, or have been offensively inept.
So… just like the 1st round of the playoffs against Halak last year?
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by Karina on Dec 13, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
They only had 31 shots
against the Rangers, who scored 7 goals against them on 20 shots. 7 GOALS ON 20 SHOTS??? WTF KINDA GOALTENDING IS THAT?
Also… no wonder they’re registering high shot totals… they’re playing shit D.
They have a .692 PTS% when they score first… that’s 20th in the NHL. But they’re .474 when they’re trailing 1st (9-10-0). They give up the first goal a lot… 19 times this year? They’ve scored first 13 times.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Put that another way
they’ve allowed the first goal 19 times this season (9-10-0)… Toronto has done so 18 times (4-13-1).
This is not good.
Toronto scores first 11 times (7-1-3), Washington scores first 13 times (9-1-3)…
The difference is they have more offense to come from behind with… they’re roughly the same from the other perspective.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’s interesting that their offense is carrying their record – Washington doesn’t even lead the league in goals per game (9th, with 3.00 GF/gm).
The more stats like this that I hear, the happier I am with where this team is. It’s really nice to feel some confidence in not just one, but two aspects of our game, and to feel like we’re one or two pieces away from being a 1st, maybe even 2nd round playoff team. I have no idea where we’re going to make up ~.75 GF/gm – at least, where we’ll make up the part that doesn’t come with player growth – but I have to think we can pull it off somehow.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
A small part of their poor defensive numbers comes from their third goalie’s Toskalitis. He played some young guy for 200 minutes. He had an .845 SV%.
So…in roughly 3 games (9.3%) worth of ice time distributed over 5 games, he let in 14.1% of Washington’s goals against. Which is like 5 goals more than their other goalies would have let in.
87 GA isn’t much better than 92 though. Their D is still pretty bad.
Tampa and Washington…the Phoenix Suns of hockey.
Yeah, I saw a couple of games with Holtby, who had one strong game and one – quite frankly – terrible one. To be fair, though, it’s not Toskalitis – Toskala broke into the league and sucked. Holtby’s still a prospect.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
That's not fair particularly
Toskala was solid for years in San Jose… he didn’t suck when he played for them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hell
he was even decent in Toronto for his first year… not stellar, but pretty far from Holtby’s level.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
The next question is
how much does Washington give us for Giguere?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Less than nothing. I think they’re more likely to buy a defensive defenseman and ride the hot young goalie than they would be to bring in a goalie on an expiring contract. Moreover, if they’re going to go for the goalie on an expiring contract, they move heaven and earth to get Vokoun.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
But
he’s going to end up in Tampa Bay!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
They’re massively outchancing the opposition during the losing streak. Even vs. the Rags it was 19-19 I think.
Basically they’ve had atrocious puck luck and goaltending. Shows the combination can bring down even good teams.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 13, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
The other way to think of it is
they went from having amazingly GOOD puck luck and goaltending to more realistic puck luck and goaltending… averages averaging out and all that.
Remember at the start of the year when Neuvirth and Varlamov played out of their minds?
Varlamov has played two games of sub .900 save percentage hockey all year long, and one was the Rangers game. Neuvirth has had 3 bad starts in the same 6 game losing stretch, but if we’re not saying Gustavsson’s goalkeeping is bad, then Neuvirth’s hasn’t been particularly atrocious either.
(Personally I think our goaltending has been subpar for about 2+ weeks but whatever).
Their goaltending hasn’t been great, but in the same stretch they’ve had 2 shutouts and another 2 games where they’ve scored 1 goal.
I think reality is, Semin isn’t scoring (0 goals, 2 assists in the last 6), Backstrom isn’t scoring (0 goals, 3 assists in the last 6), and Ovechkin isn’t scoring (2 goals, 1 assist in 6 games). That’s 3 of the leading scorers in the NHL all going cold at the same time.
Speaking of cold, Ovechkin has only got 3 goals in the past month…. that’d bother me if I was the Washington fan base, ownership, and management.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
2 shutouts
as in they’ve been shutout twice.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
the heat
didn’t lose 8 in a row lol
their worst stretch was losses in 4 of 5 including three straight
still, pretty bad, considering “the summer of lebron”
What if the mule didn't kick back?
They’re still 2nd in the conference and 3rd overall, and I don’t think George McPhee is going to pull a Lamorello and fire the coach of the 2nd best team in the East. Right now they have serious defensive problems, so McPhee needs to decide if that’s because they need better goaltending, better defense, or better coaching. The Fleischman/Hannan trade makes me think McPhee believes his roster has defensive shortcomings, so I doubt Boudreau goes anywhere any time soon.
I’d also ask the same question I ask when people say Ron Wilson should be fired – who do you replace Boudreau with? No chance it’s Hitchcock. Could potentially be Andy Murray. I’m not sure there’s someone currently available who I’d trust to take over a contender in the middle of the season like this.
by Draglikepull on Dec 13, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
again
their best defensive D man is out with a broken finger… that hurts them. But they’ve got to figure it out soon, because their goalies haven’t been that bad, and their D from the D hasn’t been that bad.
Part of the problem is the D from the forwards, or lack thereof. Some of this is on the top line to be honest. They don’t back-check particularly well.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the hot button issue over at Japers. A lot of people on both sides of the “dont freak out” camp and “FIRE EVERYONE” camp
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 13, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
You mean we're not the only community
that freaks out in the midst of a 6 game losing streak?
Of course it’s different when your team is the youngest in the NHL and not expected to challenge for the Stanley Cup… Maybe they have more reason to spaz out?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 13, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it’s different when your team is the youngest in the NHL and not expected to challenge for the Stanley Cup… Maybe they have more reason to spaz out?
You could say that, much different when expectations are higher. Or at least, they have a right to be higher with all the talent on the roster.
Feels bad to say, but it’s kind of nice to have another fanbase eating humble pie and having to experience some of the shit we’ve been going through for the last few seasons, even if it’s only for a few weeks.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 14, 2010 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
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