Dion Smash! Dion Smash! Dion Smash! *BANG BANG*
by JP Nikota on Dec 16, 2010 7:01 AM EST
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Well, today is the day that Matt Stajan and Niklas Hagman make their first appearance as opponents against the Leafs, and the same goes for Dion Phaneuf and Fredrik Sjostrom against the Flames. It'd be nice if Aulie could play and have a good showing, but the lineup won't be announced until later on.
It's surely an emotional week for Phaneuf, who no doubt has a lot of memories in Calgary, but who is also grieving the loss of his grandmother.
Phaneuf, the Toronto Maple Leafs captain, left the squad after Tuesday night’s 4-1 victory over the Edmonton Oilers to attend the funeral of his grandmother in Prince Edward Island. Phaneuf was scheduled to fly to Calgary late Wednesday night and, barring any unforeseen delays, was expected back in time to suit up against the Flames.
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I’m not sure using the phrase “Dion Kill!” was such a good choice for the title of this post when you then go on to mention the death of his grandmother.
by gooner4ever on Dec 16, 2010 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Get a grip.
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by maplestirup on Dec 16, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Why I hated that penalty shot. First off, you have to wear full cages in youth hockey. Secondly, the clock doesn’t run during a penalty shot so the game couldn’t have ended like it did. Thirdly, when Lisa takes her mask off play should be stopped. Damn you Simpsons!
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No kidding.
And if you watch closely, the lines on the ice often change colors, from blue to red.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Are you accusing Dion of killing his grandmother? That’s offside even for a gooner.
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I'd just woken up
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by gooner4ever on Dec 16, 2010 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure using the phrase “Dion Kill!” was such a good choice for the title of this post when you then go on to mention the death of his grandmother.
by gooner4ever on Dec 16, 2010 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
His grandmother died.
he didn’t kill her.
This is a bit over the top on your part.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He didn’t? I had no idea.
by scrambles the death dealer on Dec 16, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Unknown. Jonas640 and mirtle will let us know probably after practice.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, I just wasn’t sure if Wilson had mentioned if he planned to let them split or not. Hopefully he gets the nod.
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Giggy played well on Tuesday and we all remember what happened last time Giggy faced the Nucks, I say Giggy tonight and Monster on Saturday.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Can I just say
I would gladly have added Tomas Fleischmann to our team in exchange for Beauchemin.
He has 5 goals and 5 assists in 7 games with the Avs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I just added him to my PPPPPDiv 2 Team!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
I stopped paying attention
to my PPPPPDiv 1 Team a while ago…
I’ve packed it in… if only this were a keeper league, I’d totally shoot for the bottom to get top spot.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
Got any Bruins on your team? Trade them to me.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I’d totally shoot for the bottom to get top spot
You’d have a fight on your hands for that spot from my squad, “The Execrables.”
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by jrwendelman on Dec 16, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Psht, you jokers. Everyone knows I own the bottom spot. 
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure why not
Colorado has a lot of offensive weapons.
At C alone they have Stastny, Duchene, and Fleischmann… then add in their wingers with Hejduk and Stewart (who is out with injury)… I just don’t see why they can’t keep scoring.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
oh and Peter Mueller is still there
how the hell do they have those 4 C’s? that’s nuts.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
nope nevermind
Ryan O’Reilly is a centre though… they’re doing fine down the middle.
They’d be a solid trading partner.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Mueller is out with a concussion
but he had 20 points for them in the last 15 games of the year last year.
That’s a ridiculously deep and young centre group.
Stastny, Duchene, Fleischmann, Mueller, and O’Reilly? That’s nuts.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
ok
so they’re wingers … both have played C, and could be used there on a team like the Leafs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Colorado is collectively just as young as Toronto and Edmonton, if not younger. And they’re a legit playoff team in a tough West. Pretty remarkable.
theyve survived the departure of Sakic alot better than I thought they would
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
They have a lot more talent than us right now.
Stastny, Duchene, Anderson, Chris Stewart, Mueller (when healthy), O’Reilly, Liles… all while barely reaching the cap floor. Pretty impressive.
That being said, if you ask BehindTheNet, last year’s run was based a lot on Anderson playing out of his mind and a lot of “luck” (i.e. positive stasitical anomalies that will eventually even out)
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
last year it was luck yes
his year, i haven’t paid enough attention to them, but if you assume all their young players have improved enough, then maybe they’re legit.
Not cup contenders in my book though. In addition to the usual suspects (wings, hawks, sharks, Nucks) i really like what LA is doing. No weaknesses on that roster from top to bottom. I’m expecting a surge in the standings
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TSN was asking Tuesday night if Leafs fans would trade their roster for the Oilers.
I’d trade rosters with Colorado in a heartbeat. Their roster, plus Toronto’s financial backing… that squad could add another 16M THIS SEASON and still be under the cap.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
That’s the most ridiculously part. The Avs already have a great roster, but they’re only just riding the cap floor
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Following up Steve’s point from the last few days re: Veteran player on the roster to help the kids… I’d take Hejduk in a heartbeat.
He’s 34, doesn’t suck like Rolston. Not a C, but a damn good player.
I seriously doubt he’ll make it to UFA though, $3M for him is a pretty good deal. On pace for another 30 goal season. He’ll probably re-sign in Colorado, he’s a lifer there, and they are on the way up.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I’m actually kind of hoping that the Leafs go after Hedjuk if he makes it to UFA.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
He’s not going to leave Colorado. He’ll be offered a 1 year deal by Colorado for every year until he retires.
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Bingo.
And well he should… they’ve been very loyal to each other over the years. He’ll retire with Colorado.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW, I would totally trade rosters with Edmonton and then use their 13M cap space to improve their laughable defence and goaltending
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Yeah, I think management is the bigger problem in Edmonton than talent.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Dreger last week was on the radio and said he’d take the Leafs roster (NHL + AHL) over the Flames in a heartbeat. So at least we’ve got that going for us.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
He also said the leafs killed the Phaneuf trade. LOVE Dreger
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Contrast that with certified tool Eric Francis on 590 this morning
“Dion’s just not a good hockey player”
barf
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Eric Francis on 590
SO MANY WRONGS!
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Eric Francis just isn’t a good reporter.
Fact.
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He wasn’t much of a hockey player when we played together at Uni either.
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O RLY?
Was he always this dumb?
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He just wasn’t a standout. Sometimes he’d try to do the play by play thing during the game….and Pierre LeBrun was just “Pete” back then.
Funny to think that the two of them are now HNIC panelists.
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You knew LeBrun as well?
Wow
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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“Know” is too strong a word.
We played intramural hockey in the same league for three years in the early 90s. LeBrun was on my team for two years and Francis and I lived in the same residence.
Larry Bird look-a-like Scott Laughlin, host of NHL Home Ice, was on the team with LeBrun. He’s a great guy and a pretty solid hockey player too.
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Thats why I used the past tense
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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A lot of my pals went to j-school so it’s a bit of six-degrees.
One friend did his honor’s thesis on media and the Ottawa Senators. Spent the year going to games, doing the scrums and interviewing the guys on the Sens beat.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
And many of them were my classmates. :)
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Those are what I left for after two years. :)
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Got it. I was there 1990-94, we likely know a few of the same folks…
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
For some reason we call it jskool now
I guess we’ve forgotten how to spell in the intervening years
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhat related question:
In Jschool, do you learn how to write articles, and if so, do you have guidelines regarding what spellings to use.
E.g. Can you mix American spellings and Canadian spellings or would that be frowned upon?
There’s usually an over-riding style guide that programs must stick too. In Canada, most journalism programs adhere to CP Style.
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Forbes passes to Pete who brings it into the zone. He passes to me, I shoot……..wide left. Shit.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Heh. Just intramurals. I’m no great shakes on skates either…
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Let’s not go too far—like you I’d take Edmonton’s roster over ours in a heartbeat.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I’d say they have about 4 prospects/young players I’d kill to have. The rest of that roster can suck my balls.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I just think the ball-sucking part of their roster is easier to remedy than our lack of high end offensive talent.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I was just thinking the opposite. Watching Hall cherry pick and their defense get picked apart by our (overall mediocre) forwards, I’d rather have to find forwards than both have to find defensemen and teach your forwards more play in their own zone. There’s also no lock for Dubnyk to develop into a solid starter, and there’s no way Khabibulin gets the job done in two years. It’s unlikely that the Oilers get to capitalize on a great defensive defenseman UFA season (like the one that just passed), so I’m not sure how they’re going to improve that side of the puck.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think we’re being a little harsh on Hall based on one game. I’d LOVE to have him, not to mention Eberle, MPS and Omark.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
That said, I like our chances better because I’m confident Oilers management will screw them up just as they did Cogliano, Gagner, etc. etc.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I would absolutely love to have any of the Oilers’ forward prospects. I’m not trying to brush off their talent. But in the middle of the media’s constant prospect-fellatio, I think people underestimate how far that organization still has to go, and the massive holes that still exist in their roster.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
No question.
People have been fellating the Oilers’ F prospects for about 3 years and we’re still waiting on the results. You need management too…
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
The last batch haven’t turned into much either.
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And I deleted the more controversial part of that comment, but I believe we have a more “complete” roster – goaltending with a future, defense with a future, and a little goal scoring, though far too limited and with too limited a future – even if we’ve burned more capital to get it. I really wouldn’t trade the Leafs’ roster for the Oilers’.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much, I mean just look at the Caps, crazy offensive power and regular season success, bupkiss in the playoffs.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
At least they’ve made the playoffs. The Oilers are as far out of the playoffs as we are: eight points.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I was just saying that even IF all these guys develop into crazy talented offensive players that doesn’t guarantee them anything.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
True dat
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Well sure, but you could then trade aa crazy good O guy for a crazy good D man, on account of having assets that other teams would give up a lot for. And then you could get one of those cheap FA goalies we keep talking about that are supposed to be good.
If you had competent management of course. So Edmonton is still boned. But if Burke had their roster to work with? Youch.
there’s a lot of ugly money on the Oilers for someone as obsessed with cap space as you to “like” their roster I’d think…
Horcoff – $5.5M till 2014/15
Gilbert – $4M till 2013/14
Whitney – $4M till 2012/13
Khabibulin – $3.75M till 2012/2013
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by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’d guess that’s what they call their “Every first overall pick until 2014 insurance policy”.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Whitney is pretty good, but he got that sweet contract off his Stanley Cup winning season, so there is definitely a premium embedded in there.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Beauchemin at $3.8M…? Is there a premium in there? If so, how much?
I’d gladgly pay Beauchemin, Whitney money, and not think there was a premium involved.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Defensive or shutdown D-men are the toughest position in the NHL to value in terms of contract.
Honestly I have no idea. Some one was going to work on a comparables analysis, but even then it’s not easy. The stats, and dare I say it, “intangibles” that a defensive d-men provide are very hard to rank and value.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Ryan Whitney
never won a Stanley Cup.
If you’re thinking he was on Pittsburgh when they won, you’d be wrong. He was traded before then for Chris Kunitz… who DID win the Cup with them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Shit
I was thinking of Scuderi.
/player remembering fail
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying I like their roster/cap situation by any means!
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
No problem
4 1st round picks for Steven Stamkos.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yep.
They win on quality, but we win on quantity, IMO.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well they got Mueller from Phoenix….
As for the rest, I have no idea what you could possibly be referring to
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly he’s referring to Craig Anderson being signed as a free agent.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
By trading 1st round picks.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Mueller
for Wolski is actually an 8th overall pick for a 21st overall pick… so a 1 for 1 deal kinda thing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic, but ya, except for his concussion history, it was technically a move up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
They sucked royally in 2008-09 and got Duchene, so they had that going for them.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
chris stewart was an 18th overall pick in 2006. Stastny they got at 44th overall in 2005. They didn’t have a first round pick that year, but they did have the 33rd pick before that (Ryan Stoa?)
sometimes your mid-round pick just turns into someone great like Stewart instead of, oh I dunno, Tlusty. and your 44th pick turns into Stastny instead of Kulemin (who I love, but he’s not a point-a-game franchise centre).
There will be an answer. Let it be.
Mueller
was in exchange or Wolski, who also isn’t half bad… drafted him 21st overall in 2004. Stastny was 44th overall in 2005.
They drafted Stewart 14th overall 2006, Shattenkirk 18th overall 2007, O’reilly was 33rd overall 2009, Duchene was 3rd overall 2009
They also drafted TJ Hensick, Kyle Cumiskey, Ryan Stoa… most of their team in fact.
If you’re getting at the using the draft thing, valid point, although if we’re using it to argue against the Kessel deal, they drafted those players across a span of 2004-2009, which is 5 years. Even if you took out two of those players drafted in the 1st round, that’s still a pretty stellar selection of prospects, and you’d still definitely have Stastny and O’reilly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
True. But they’re all pretty mediocre centres outside of Stastny and Duchene, and neither of those two are going anywhere.
Fleischmann was hated by Caps fans too… and I don’t think he’s going to keep up this pace at all.
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we like the guys at Japers rink, but the fact that he was hated doesn’t matter much to me to be honest.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
There are a lot
of Leafs fans that can’t stand Grabovski… doesn’t mean I think he’s a bad player.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. But I still don’t think I’d trade Beauchemin (who’s been great this season) for Fleischmann just because he’s been hot for 7 games.
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He won't get traded now
and I was suggesting when he was cold.
We are lacking Centres with offensive skill remember?
Adding a player with his skill level who has played a regular shift at C at the NHL level for a few years wouldn’t be a minor addition.
Beauchemin is going to be gone in a year or so. Fleischmann is 26, same age as Grabovski.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
my point is more that
he was obviously available for a defensive D man.
I’m wondering if the Leafs need to make changes (which they obviously do) then why not make THAT change?
You could easily move Beauchemin and play both Komisarek and Aulie… I know Beauchemin has been good, but he hasn’t been the best shut down D man in the league… the Leafs have been average at best in the past 10-15 games defensively.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Beauchemin’s a great piece in potential upcoming trades for the Leafsand while we do need help offensively, I wouldn’t want us to waste that asset on a guy like Fleischmann. The kid is young and skilled but universally regarded as pillow soft.
If I was trading Beauchemin to Washington for a centre I’d have been asking for Brooks Laich, not Fleischmann.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone laichs Brook Laich.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I’d rather have Clowe
…..for Beauchemin
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I was hard on the Kaberle for Clowe bandwagon this summer.
Won’t happen now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Burke would have turned that down if it was actually available.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
But SJ fans were thinking he was the likely one on the way out. Based on his salary last year and their need for help on the blue line, he looked like the logical one to be moved.
Bet they are singing a different tune now, he’s been fantastic.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be pretty surprised to see the Caps not extend Laich, but if for some reason they don’t, he’s definitely a Burke kind of guy.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Who were his linemates in Washington?
by scrambles the death dealer on Dec 16, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Given that Caps fans absolutely loathed him I’m pretty comfortable not giving up our #1 shutdown D-man to get him.
Let’s see how he’s doing at the end of the year.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Caps fans
probably loathed his “effort level” and such, and his 10 points in 23 games probably didn’t help.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
although
since that trade… look at how Washington’s game has declined… they lost a solid 2nd line C, and they’ve brought in a “shut down” D man, and not a lot has gone right since then.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Colorado has won 4 in a row
and he has 5 goals and 3 assists in those 4 games, including a hat- trick last night.
I’d say the Avs are happy.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
yes
for now.
and just think, when/if they get mueller back this year, their lineup is stacked down the middle. If Fleischmann is your number 4 C? That’s ridiculous.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
2.6 mill for a fourth line centre is a tad expensive. Luckily he’s off the books this summer
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He's faced
tougher competition than every forward on the Avs other than Chris Stewart, his PDO is a sustainable 1005, which is actually the 5th lowest on the Avs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
He isn't actually
their 4th line C.
He plays in their top 6, he’s just played at C before… they’ve got a LOT of good scoring talent.
Hejduk, Stastny, Duchene, Stewart, Jones, Fleischmann. Hejduk is the only one in that group retiring anytime soon.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Oh
and Mueller… forgot Mueller.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a LW, that’s what he is in Yahoo Fantasy anyway.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
he may be playing there
for Col, but he’s listed as a C by the NHL and that’s where he played last year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Since bringing in Hannan
the Caps have lost 7 straight with him in the line up and he’s -8 in those games. That’s pretty crappy.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Beauch is better than Hannan though, so I don’t think I’d trade him for Fleischmann
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I think the problems go beyond Fleischmann/Hannan for the Caps right now. I think it’s best to take the long view but it looks like a bad deal for the Caps.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the scoring chance data. Washington’s faced an unbelievable combination of bad luck and terrible goaltending. Leafs-esque even.
I don’t think the Caps will continue shooting 3.5% and getting .850 goaltending.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
What’s hilarious is that right now the Leafs only have three more losses than the Caps.
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Right
but I doubt Fleischmann continues to have one of the lowest PDO numbers on Colorado either… so in the end he’s unlikely to drop off production wise.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Really? You think he’s going to continue a 10 point in 7 game pace? I’ll take that bet.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
No
But I don’t think it’s improbable that he’ll keep a PPG pace. The Hat Trick is kind of an outlier.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
You think a roughly .50 ppg guy—who played mostly with Alex Semin—is going to suddenly double his production at age 26?
You know what, I’ll take that bet and give you 3:1 odds.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A roughly .5 ppg guy?
he was a .74 ppg guy last year as a 25 year old, and this year he’s already a 1.43 ppg guy with Colorado. I expect it to tail off, but I’m not going to assume a 26 year old is going to regress to a .5 ppg guy after a year as a .74 ppg guy.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just pointing out
that since the trade, they’ve dropped off a cliff of sorts. I’m sure they’ll turn it around at some point, but it’s not going for them right now for whatever reason… and that’s the most obvious major change to the team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Correlation != causation
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
no
and I’m not arguing that.
I’m just saying it’s interesting… and he’s a part we could use… whether or not Washington fans dislike him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
it's no more of an argument
than the “don’t include Brett Lebda” theme that prevails in here.
Leafs lose with player X in the line up… obviously he’s part of the problem.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
How's this for correlation though?
in 7 games as a Cap, Hannan has plumetted to their 2nd worst +/- at -8. Jason Chimera is the only player with a worse number at -10, and he’s played 33 games for them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
He's been out
for 1 goal for, and 10 goals against… that’s pretty crap in a 7 game stretch… it’s almost Lebda like.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Fleischmann
on the other hand was on the ice for 15 goals for and 8 goals against with the Caps in 23 games.
Hannan’s had a larger negative impact in less than 1/3rd of the games. That’s pretty relevant to this point.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Sample.
Size.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
For those who weren’t sure when the term ’burtch’d’ was appropriate, please see this thread.
There will be an answer. Let it be.
by daoust on Dec 16, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
lol
I am antsy and waiting for my ride to work… I have to fill the mental void somehow.
plus at this hour there aren’t enough people commenting for me to carry on a rich enough dialogue.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
and on that note
my ride is here, so I depart.
Enjoy responding to my threadddddddddd.
Burtch’d yet again.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
That was an extreme Burtch’d experience.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I was surprised at first when I saw how many messages there was at this time of the morning. Now I understand. :)
by rpop on Dec 16, 2010 9:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve seen 6.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t really speak to Hannan’s play with the Caps. I think Beauchemin’s a much better player though so would consider Flash a very poor return for him. Hannan strikes me as more of a 4/5 guy. Beauchemin’s a 2/3.
Based on what I’ve read and seen of Fleischmann, I’m pretty comfortable by the end of the year he’ll have given away as much as he gets.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Oh you mean
like last year in 69 games when he was on the ice for 80 goals for and 53 against? That kind of equality?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Shelteeeeered.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Sheltered?
he faced tougher competition than Ovechkin, Backstrom, Knuble, Fehr, Bradley, Morrison, and Steckel. The only offensively inclined players on the Caps last year that faced tougher competition were Semin and Laich… HIS LINE MATES.
He was playing tougher minutes than their top scoring lines so the idea of him being sheltered is bizarre.
feel free to revise.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
short term
doesnt matter, remember?
That said, I’m in favour of any trade that turns one of the Leafs Dman into a forward, under 30, that MIGHT be able to score at the NHL level.
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The Leafs have 5 guys ranked from 50-120 in the NHL in PPG (Mac, Grabs, Kessel, Steeg, Kule). In other words, #3/4 forwards. Hopefully Kadri will develop into another one. We don’t need yet another (i.e. Flash). We should be hoarding our trade assets and cap space for pursuit of a potential #1/2. A guy like Fleischmann, once he cools off, offers only marginal improvement.
I’m happy picking up guys like that in the offseason if they’re cheap (e.g. MacArthur) but don’t want to waste trade chips on them.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough
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What about trade chips that wont be around by the time the offseason rolls around. Hate to bring up the Kaberle thing again but I have a hardtime imagining he’s a Leaf next year and he’s definitely our most marketable asset among the players we’d be willing to move.
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Not happening. Stop torturing yourself.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Kaberle’s totally re-signing on January 1!
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by clrkaitken on Dec 16, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why can’t people accept that Burke won’t ask Kaberle to waive his NTC? Whether you think he should or not doesn’t matter, he’s made it clear that he won’t and I see no reason to doubt him.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I see many reasons to doubt what Burke says, but frankly I just don’t think anyone will pay what Kaberle is worth (to us) in a manner that makes a trade worthwhile.
I’m hoping for a re-sign too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Caps fans
loathed his streakiness. This doesn’t seem to invalidate that.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
You mean they loathed
the scoring pattern of a regular scorer that isn’t Ovechkin, Backstrom, or Semin?
Jee, I guess we should discount all forwards that don’t produce at over a ppg pace as useless then.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously though, I don’t think I’d have given up Beachemin for Fleischman.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I probably wouldn’t have been happy with it when the trade went down, but if the results were the same as they’ve had with Colorado i’d be ecstatic.
Hannan has been brutal for Caps so far.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
To further this point
in his 69 games last season, Fleischmann was held without a point in 29 games.
He managed to spread out his production so CONSISTENTLY that he only had 2 extended streaks without a point, one of 4 games, and one of 3 games.
He never had a 10 game stretch last year where he had less than 3 points, and that only occurred at the end of the year. For most of the season he was running at a clip that saw him produce 7 points per 10 games, and it was consistent… and quite far from INCONSISTENT.
If Caps fans think he’s inconsistent, they should revise their concept of consistency.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Dec 16, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
They understand consistently losing in the early rounds of the playoffs.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone catch the Pens-Caps 24/7 on HBO last night?
It was pretty sweet though I’m sure Caps fans have their panties in a bunch today because it doesn’t paint them in a good light whereas the Penguins seem like a terrific organization.
The one thing I thought was most telling about two teams; 3 times the upcoming Winter Classic and the HBO special were mentioned by members of the Capitals organization: Boudreau in a rant, Leonsis in his office, and by players during their skate on the Mall. Not once did the Penguins mention the WC or the Capitals. They only talked about their next game and preparing for that.
When you look at their records as of late, 12-1 for the Pens, 7 losses in a row for the Caps, you get the feeling that the Caps forget they have a month of hockey between now and January 1st.
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Also, why didn’t the HBO producers tell Bruce he had some hot sauce on his face before they interviewed him that one time? Damn is he fat.
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I’d say they did, and Bruce replied with “I don’t give a fuck”
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I like the ending “the last time the capitals were on a losing streak like this, they fired their coach”
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They have a great crew working on this show. It’s such a great production with a quick turnaround.
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Hopefully the NHL and Bettman sign a deal with HBO to do this for every WC. Pretty much the best inside look at the NHL I’ve seen since, oddly enough, Sports Jobs with Junior Seau had him shadow the Capitals equipment guys for a couple of days.
Should the NHL take a page from the NFL and start their own NHL Films? That’d be neat no?
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it would, give the NHL network varied programming.
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What, you’re not happy with 15 hours of NHL on the Fly followed by an expose on the 1994 New York Rangers Cup run?
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hey, I lvoe the Rangers as much as anyone, but perhaps something about their ’42 cup run?
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Fucking Messier ruining a great chant like that.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Id love to see what tis like inside the Leafs dressing room, I wonder how many F Bombs wilson drops
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
The Pens room is huge. The Leafs dressing area, not so much.
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One thing learned from last night. The Caps’ dressing room sucks, the Penguins’ rules, and the visitor’s locker room at MSG is smaller than my closet.
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and has a giant support beam in the middle of the room, didnt seem like you could look at the dude sitting across from you
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs still had their first-round pick TSN probably would’ve tried to get them to do that full-access thing they ended up doing with the Oilers. Oil Change or whatever it is.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Oil Change blows. They’ll change it to Oil Tank in three years after they ruin the whole thing.
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Could you imagine the ratings if it was the Leafs instead of the Oilers?
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Just watch The Sopranos instead. Pretty much the same, I imagine.
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by jrwendelman on Dec 16, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Nonis would be Silv, and I guess Lowe would be “Big Pussy” since he betrayed Tony (Burke)
Though Lowe doesn’t quite fit the description
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by maplestirup on Dec 16, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Cliff Fletcher = Uncle Junior.
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by jrwendelman on Dec 16, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
i was wondering this myself
“…Im pretty sure Bruce just had ribs and chicken wings for dinner before this interview and didnt clean himself up at all…”
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
He’s the biggest, fattest bleeping pig I’ve ever seen. He’s fatter than bleeping Ken Hitchcock. He is going to die because he is such a fat bleep.
easy there tiger…
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder if they were told to talk about it.
I just downloaded it, and I’m gonna watch it now.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
The show was awesome. I liked the part where Bylsma was rating every player on a 1-5 scale.
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I loved it, I wish it would last longer than it will, but maybe this will spark another series following top ranked teams through the playoffs or something.
I also like that both teams played the Leafs i nthe first episode.
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It wasn’t on Mexican HBO :(
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by Chemmy on Dec 16, 2010 9:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
You’re just 4th?
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by Ubiquitous on Dec 16, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
You know that’s a rec’n
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Ya I green'd it
It needed it
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Duh, those guys fuckin rule.
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by Chemmy on Dec 16, 2010 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
if Wendel Bark could read, he’d be sad
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
As a bit of a follow-up to my article above, I tweeted this as well:
Leafs wanna get to .500 by New Years or so.. 21-20-4 (Penguins record on January 14 of 2009 – Won the Cup later that year) … 19-19-3 (Flyers record January 6 2010 – went on to Cup finals)
The Leafs aren’t going to win the Cup this year, but I still think it’s too early to write them off for that 8th spot.
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Marisa got her SBN blog after months of trying, go congratulate her.
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by Chemmy on Dec 16, 2010 9:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So what you’re saying is threadbomb?
Mike Weber: Free to roam the ice and take stupid boarding penalties once more.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Though now there are two ILWTs on SBN, but i’ll deal with that.
Mike Weber: Free to roam the ice and take stupid boarding penalties once more.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Yes
Celebration Gifs all around.
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You know what I'd really like from the Leafs?
Improved performance on the road. We have a decent home record but only the Isles and Devils are worse on the road.
I guess it’s a mark of a young team but the most ominous thing about our record right now is we’ve played 17 home games (19 points) and only 13 away (9 points). Those games in hand don’t help much if we lose them all, because they’re coming on the road.
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Holy shit.
They use The XX in the first three minutes of 24-7! That’s boss.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I’m not sure using the phrase "Dion Smash! BANG BANG" was such a good choice for the title of this post when you then go on to mention the death of his grandmother.
by general borschevsky on Dec 16, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions
The Leafs have won 2 in a row… you know whats better than 2? 3. Lets go boys.
/Bylsma’d
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hahaha…
Man that guy swears a lot.
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
Not compared to Boudreau he doesn’t.. plus he actually washes his face from time to time
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i cant beleive the hbo guys didnt at least, you know, motion to their own faces to kind of clue him in on the fact he had something on his face…
I couldnt help but think while watching the show that we are going to witness to firing of Boudreau on HBO.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
They still lead their division by 2 points, though they have 2 games in hand over Tampa and 1 game in hand over Atlanta. I would have to imagine that if they relinquish the division lead, and subsequently fall to 7th or 8th in the conference, that he’s gone the next day…..and they play the Bruins on Saturday where a win for Boston and one for Tampa or Atlanta would do just that.
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still 3 parts left of the series…. i think there is a very good chance we get to see the downfall of Boudreau. The caps had better start winning if they dont want to see their coach embarassed on HBO…
I feel for Bruce though, he’s trying to get these guys playing hard at both ends of the ice and judging by what we saw last night, they seem to be having a hard time adjusting.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
that last drill? Yea, that was bullshit. Lets do it again but lets execute this time.
/blows whistle
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
In the immortal words of Han Solo
Don’t get cocky kid!
I’ve been a 100% voter in the fan confidence poll (in which I determine what said poll means, not PPP) but still firmly believe there’s no way this team makes the playoffs. So, instead of wins, I look for effort and team play. Cohesiveness, systems executed, chances etc.
I think tonight’s game could be a fun one, but I’m certainly not anticipating enjoying watching the Leafs play Vancouver…
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions
I’ve been a 100% voter in the fan confidence poll
Right with ya, bra
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
dammit
I vote 10 to skew it back from you guys.
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I made 12 accounts all voting 100 to skew it back from people trying to skew it downwards.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Nice.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
That’s fine. I actually just set the poll at whatever I want it to be.
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Sounds about right.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
asshole
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Democracy!
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i’ve got 45 different accounts.
still voting…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Given the team’s tendencies this year I’m expecting a crappy loss tonight and OT vs. Vancouver.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Dion will take care of business.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Double Dion perhaps, to honor the WJ team.
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by maplestirup on Dec 16, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
My son’s bantam team is practicing on the new Winsport ice tonight – the benefits of having one of the rink manager’s with a kid on your squad I guess – and we’re hosting one of the first ever tournaments there next week.
If I find anything that can add to the article above in terms of an arena review, I’ll post it in one of the threads tomorrow.
And yes, that means I had to turn down a chance to be one of the Leafs fans at the SaddleDome drowning out the pitiful “go Lames go” chants.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 16, 2010 10:24 AM EST reply actions
I hope there is a sweet Fan battle like in Edmonton.
There’s got to be plenty of Leafs fans going to this game.
And if any of you are one of them, I expect you to be sporting a Phaneuf jersey. With the ‘C’.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going tonight!
Sadly no name on my jersey yet.
by theninjagreg on Dec 16, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Write Phaneuf with masking tape.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
god damnit, I really wanted to watch the Pens/Caps 24/7 last night but no HBO or TMN at my house :(
heard the Leafs made a few cameos.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Also, I’m wearing my Leafs hoody at work today.
Last time I did that, the Leafs rallied back to beat the Preds.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions
did you guys see PK “Giveaway King” Subban’s poise last night? Such poise….
Fire Ron Wilson!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Two passes to nobody from inside his own blue line leading directly to goals. Ouch.
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Subban is our king!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
He had one decent playoff round last year, but he looked pretty awful against Philly. I know he played well in the minors, but it seems like the fans in Montreal are a little bit higher on his ability than he’s actually deserved.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Overrating prospects?
What kind of stupid fanbase does that.
/glances back and forth.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
whatever do yo mean, are you saying that Kadri isnt the second coming of Doug GIlmour?!
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
he The Habs looked pretty awful were so completely outclassed in their series against Philly that not even crazy luck could save them.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
A is for Assault
B is for Battery
C is for Classy
D is for Die
E is for Eviscerate
F is for Fighting
F is for Filadelfia
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
G is for Gooner
H is for Huffing
I is for inbred
J is for jerkstores
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong
‘C’ is for ‘cheesesteaks’. Duh.
Nobody in Philadelphia has heard of ‘classy’. Don’t be silly.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
The poise level was so high that my TV actually exploded.
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by maplestirup on Dec 16, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not to be a ex-Leaf downer, but despite the fact that Stajan has been benched in his last two, he still has more assists than any Leafs forward. Just thought that was interesting – he still sucks though
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All but 3 have been to one of Calgary’s best three players though: Iginla, Bourque, or Tanguay. And 6 of his 15 are secondary. How hard can “Get the puck to Iggy” really be?
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True. He’s playing shit, but he has helped me out big time in my Fantasy Pool as a late pickup.
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by maplestirup on Dec 16, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
So how many more assists would he have playing with Kessel, who I’d argue is a better goal-scorer than Iggy at this point in their careers?
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Are they bad comments?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, I called the Thrash story cute, and mentioned our record with armstrong in the lineup
What if the mule didn't kick back?
That’s pretty scandalous, no wonder it was removed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
On this site?
Shows 1 comment as deleted ever. And it was yesterday. And I don’t actually recall why but you clearly did something wrong.
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i like the habs
What if the mule didn’t kick back?
by sportsfan2 on Dec 15, 2010 2:33 PM EST
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
gah!
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
the habs suck
What if the mule didn't kick back?
by sportsfan2 on Dec 16, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
youve been caught, just fess up now and it wont be as painful!
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like to think PPP isn’t a shitty site where people are banned for being rival fans.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
i mentioned karina’s burke quotes in the wrong thread. that’s the only thing i can think of. but then this morning it happened again
What if the mule didn't kick back?
I can see you’ve only had one comment deleted here. I remember now, that was it. You were in the wrong thread so I fixed it for you.
You’re welcome.
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This is why you should be terrified to be a Flames fan right now
Flames GM Darryl Sutter says he would make the Dion Phaneuf trade over again (in case you forgot the deal was Dion Phaneuf, Freddie Sjostrom, and Keith Aulie for Matt Stajan, Niclas Hagman, Ian White and Jamal Mayers). Sutter said if they didn’t trade Dion, they would have lost Rene Bourque and Mark Giordano. Bourque signed for six years, $20 million and Giordano signed for five years, 20.1 million. To me this doesn’t make sense. Phanuef and Sjostrom carry about a $7.25 million cap hit this year. Stajan is at $3.5 million (crazy deal he signed this summer), Hagman is a $3 million cap hit, and they had signed White to a 1 year, $2.999 million deal before trading him to Carolina. According to my math, that’s almost $9.5 million in salary they added compared $7.5 million heading to Toronto (and I’m not including the money they wasted on signing Jokinen).
I can’t believe they haven’t formed a lynch mob yet.
20 miles to Legoland!
Hold the phone
Which makes Phaneuf’s return an odd one. Yes, his plyonic defensive play was maddening, and his inconsistency (and lack of a no-movement clause) made him expendable. Yes, there were seismic rumblings of locker room strife.*
How did this not occur to me before? Why the hell didn’t Phaneuf have a NTC? Sutter gives one to EVERYBODY! Did both sides just decide it was unnecessary? Did Dion not want one? It must be that Dion didn’t want one, right?
What the Hell?
*From Puck Daddy
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I believe players have to reach certain thresholds before the CBA allows them to have a NTC. For example, CapGeek says that Kessel’s NTC doesn’t actually kick in until 2013-14.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Let the Kessel trade window rumours begin.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what to add, other than:
Phaneuf, Sjostrom, Aulie + Sutter’s son
for
Stajan, Hagman, Babchuk, Kostopolous
The remnants of the original trade:
Phaneuf, Sjostrom, Aulie
-
Hagman, Stajan (when he’s not a healthy scratch)
The best was Flames fans insisting Ian White was better than Dion Phaneuf. So good, in fact, the Flames’ roster couldn’t hold his talents back any more.
He took his talents to South Carolina.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
CAROLINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA TAKE YOUR SHIRT OFF
WAVE IT AROUND YOUR HEAD
JUST LIKE A HELICOPTA
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NORTH CAROLINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RAISE UP
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Real Problem
The real problem was the Jokinen trade, which must’ve seemed like a masterstroke at the time (and, in his first game with Calgary, Jokinen scored twice in the first period IIRC). But by trading for Jokinen, the Flames lost a couple useful players in Lombardi and Aucoin; when the team had a straight-up choice (in theory, anyway…go with me here) between Jay Bouwmeester and Mike Cammalleri and chose Bouwmeester and essentially rendered offense expensible in the name of shoring up their defense. Of course, by signing Bouwmeester they essentially made Phaneuf expendable—yet when they traded him to Toronto they freed up the salary which could, in theory, have been used to keep Cammalleri. I realize a lot of this is hindsight, and I’m not gonna blame Sutter for trading for Jokinen…but when you see how the chips ended up falling you can’t help but laugh. Sometimes it’s awesome living in Calgary.
Off to prep for tonight’s fiesta! New Kessel jersey makes its debut!
Letting go of Cammalleri to sign Bouwmeester is a move that doesn’t get enough attention. That was an absolutely dreadful decision on Sutter’s part, worse than the Phaneuf trade.
by Draglikepull on Dec 16, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I’m not a Flames fan, not by any stretch, but bad moves are bad moves whether they’re affecting your team or someone else’s. Cammalleri was a godsend for the Flames in 2008/09; theoretically, if they hadn’t signed Bouwmeester (who, to be fair to Sutter, hasn’t played to his potential in Calgary) they could’ve kept Cammalleri and Phaneuf, which seems like a no-brainer to me.
Of course, I’m not Darryl Sutter.
They also had no real reason to bring in Jokinen.
Iginla and Cammalleri were doing just fine without him on the top line. Made evident by the fact that acquiring Jokinen helped cost them the NW Division that season.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
it gets worse, they also got rid of Brandon Prust along with Jokinen to The Rangers I beleive and Prust is playing pretty well there. Tough guy on pace for 40 points. The flames had to take back the horrid contract of Kotalik and Higgins in that deal….
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
And THEN, they went and brought Jokinen back.
If they hadn’t already lost the trade horribly, they just torpedoed themselves there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
dont forget the first rounder
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, this article is a joke.
(Sutter) went out of his way yesterday to reiterate Phaneuf never asked for a trade.
"Hey, Dion’s a great kid," said Sutter, who drafted Phaneuf ninth overall in 2003. "We did everything we could to keep him happy. We couldn’t make him a captain because we already have a pretty good one."
His comments support the notion that while Phaneuf saw himself as a leader, few others in the room did.
Umm, what? How do those comments support that conclusion in any way whatsoever?
It's the Sun. They also have a "43 reasons to hate the Leafs" article out today.
Fact: The Sun is a terrible paper no matter which city it represents.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
What’s the Calgary equivalent of ‘puppy and a parakeet’?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Haha what
Fan960Steinberg: #Flames wearing white tonight…Kerr says the Leafs only traveled with blue jerseys.
Why the hell would Leafs only bring 1 jersey for 3 road games? Weird.
Plus, we’ve worn our 3rds for the last 2 HNiC’s and won both times, I don’t know why we’d do any different against VAN.
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Given the fan presence at Rexall, I can’t blame them.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
lets go oilersGO LEAFS GO!!!!!!!!!
lets go oilersGO LEAFS GO!!!!!!
it was beautiful.
by potvin vs hextall on Dec 16, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder what our record is in each Sweater?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Weird jersey lineups seems to be the tradition against VAN; this year was the first time I’ve seen them wear their whites at the ACC.
Plus, Edmonton wore their home jersey at the ACC, so there ya go.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 16, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
psychological warfare
YOU WILL WEAR THE JERSEY WE DICTATE YOU WEAR!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that on Sportscenter this morning and laughed for about an hour
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I was in the gym and embarassed myself by laughing out loud.
by potvin vs hextall on Dec 16, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
BUST!!!!!1
For the record as I was asked on Team 990 this morning, Tyler Seguin is not suffering from the flu at this point. He’s a healthy scratch – HackswithHaggs via Mirtle
by potvin vs hextall on Dec 16, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
"Coach’s decision. You’ll have to ask the coach." – Cam Neely about scratching Seguin
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Why was anybody asking Cam Neely about that in the first place? What exactly does he do with the team again?
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Team President? I dunno, pretty important position for most teams.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Oh is he? I thought he was a special advisor or something. huh.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t you? <3 <3 <3
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
He was a VP for like a year but they’ve been grooming him for the big office.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Because it’s Cam Neely!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Seguin – healthy scratch
Lebda – no longer a healthy scratch
Therefore, Lebda > Seguin
QED
We’ll make the trade, reluctantly. But get on the phone fast, this deal won’t last forever.
by potvin vs hextall on Dec 16, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
Not a huge surprise, he’s young and Boston has a pretty good roster.
My only beef if that if they aren’t going to play him, they should have released him to play in the World Juniors for eff sakes.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
He didn’t want to go.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
How’s he been playing, by the way?
by potvin vs hextall on Dec 16, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been pretty okay stats-wise, 5G and 5A, thats a pace for 15G, 15A for a rookie campaign. Pretty decent.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I was just wondering if there were parts of his game (e.g. lack of effort defensively, long shifts, etc) that would lead to being a healthy scratch.
by potvin vs hextall on Dec 16, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not particularly that I can tell. One of those goals was on a breakaway he sprung for himself off a defensive play just inside the blueline. He’s loads better than danny fuckin’ paille, I’ll tell you that right now.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Giggy up to bat
jonas640: J.S. Giguere makes his fourth consecutive start in goal tonight in Calgary.
Could mean Gus in on Saturday.
20 miles to Legoland!
Hawerchuck says the Leafs lost the Phaneuf deal because it prevented the Leafs from signing Zbynek Michalek. Or something. Go tell him he’s dead wrong.
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Were we in the running for Michalek? Would he be our Captain now? What are his Intangibles like?
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of music does he like?
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
By the same token, I can say that if Calgary didn’t immediately give Phaneuf’s 6.5 to Stajan and White, they would have cap space to sign Kovalchuk.
And since it’s a hypothetical that can’t be proven true or untrue, but it reamins plausible because the mathematics work, I can say that the Flames lost the deal because re-signing Stajan and White cost the Flames Ilya Kovalchuk!
Strawman arguments are fun.
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I'm more interested in hearing how we "Lost" the trade compared to Calgary.
You don’t compare every hypothetical scenario that could have possibly happened months later against the outcome a trade – only how each club compared relatively after the trade.
Does every team that takes on an expiring contract vs. non-expiring contracts “win” the trade because they could afford to take on a big-name UFA in the next summer?
Silliness.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Since the trade
Toronto – 25-24-7
Calgary – 26-27-5
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Presumably better because he missed most of the losing streak. Go to hockey-reference.com and you can figure it out exactly.
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That gets more complicated because the blade cuts both ways – you have to calculate what Calgary’s record was when every player that went their way was playing. More complicated now that 2 of thep layers are no longer there, so you could say the fruits of the White trade should be carried over.
Too complicated.
Plus, injuries shouldn’t exempt Toronto’s performance.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Remember that at the time of the trade, Calgary was in a playoff position and Toronto was 29th in the league.
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Very good point. Not only did the additions not get them into the playoffs, they actually sent Calgary tumbling down the standings.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 16, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Oh to have been a fly on the wall in that dressing room last year…
"Dion is all about Dion," said one team member on the condition of anonymity.
"He just wouldn’t buy in. Darryl did the only thing he could do — he had to trade him. You can’t keep that in the dressing room."
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http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Calgary/2010/12/15/16570031.html
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Heh
Gee, he wasn’t buying what the Sutter’s were selling. Shocking.
I’m glad he was shitty in the dressing room (if he was), made it possible to trade him.
Tough shit Calgary.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just watched 24/7
Did anyone else catch Letang (I think) tell Engelland to “next time fight someone tough” after his bout with Orr. I hope Orr saw it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions
Letang is a little weasel. I have always thought this. I hope someday he gets his. Letang WE GON’ FIND YOU SKATE N TELL DAT
by schennsational on Dec 16, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
They’re entitled to talk smack after what Engelland did to Orr.
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by The '67 Sound on Dec 16, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
i guess, but remember, it was Engelland who went for stitches , not Orr.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but remember, it was Orr who got knocked over via punches to the face.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
remember Bylsma calling the leafs “pussies” during his pregame speech?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 16, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I’m pretty sure he said “lets grind these bitches down here” during the pre-game.
by ShahofToronto on Dec 16, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone have ESPN insider access? I’m not about to pay for Capgeek’s blog, but I’d love to know the gist of http://es.pn/gfv8mX
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