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by JP Nikota on Dec 30, 2010 7:01 AM EST
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This morning's FTB is all over the place.
From Michael Langlois over at Vintage Leaf Memories on Kadri:
Right now, though, my biggest question has to do with the team’s judgment. They thought this kid wasn’t ready in early October. Then after only 14 games of minor pro experience, he was ready? And ready to be a first-liner, which is how they first plugged him into the line-up, as a winger (not his position)? Then later he was used for a time as a fourth-liner. Center, wing. First line, fourth line.
Then, over to Chemmy at The Leafs Nation on average-level goaltending:
Just as .900 seems low for today's NHL .919 seems pretty high to ask for average. One of my readers at Pension Plan Puppets asked a great question last night; what if we ignore single seasons and look at data for multiple years? What's the average then?
The last main Leaf issue to be raised was about MacArthur's consistency (so far this year). I should add that the title 'Quickly Shedding Inconsistent Label' is something of a paradox, but anyway:
"The only thing I see when he’s not on his game is he stops moving his feet," said Wilson. "He told that before the season started, ‘Usually when I get in trouble I stop moving my feet so if you can remind me of that’. So every two or three games you have to say ‘Hey Clarkie, you’re not moving your feet’ and he kinda resets and gets going again."
More after the jump.
Other Leaf Links:
Wilson: Best Thing For Kadri Is Stint With Marlies
"It’s been a bit of a struggle for him for over the last three or four weeks," said Wilson. "We’ve tried to get him through it up here, but the best thing for him right now is to go down to the minors, play, score at the level that he can score at [and] gain some confidence. There’s a lot of things about the game that he still has to learn and it’s difficult to learn them in the crucible of the NHL the way it’s going for us."
Game #35 Scoring Chances: CAR @ TOR, Dec. 28/10
Slava Duris continues his excellent work at over The Leafs Nation.
Blue and White Christmas: Final Act
The third installment of the series from Loser Domi.
Other Hockey Links:
Size Has No Impact On Faceoff Percentage: 2009-10 Data
I'm not sure how this one managed to slip out of an earlier FTB, but it's definitely worth a gander. By Jonathan Willis over at The Leafs Nation.
Puck Daddy's Three Stars
Eaves, Ward, and Lundqvist. Check out the article for more videos.
'24-7' raises its game again in Episode 3
If you haven't already checked out this series, you should.
Dun dun dun.
Sidney Crosby had five extra minutes to try to extend his point streak to 26 games, but he came up empty in Pittsburgh's 2-1 shootout loss. Another interesting number from this article: the crowd of 14,345 was the biggest so far this season on Long Island.
Team Canada suspension draws mixed reviews
Zack Kassian faces two-game suspension for hit on Petr Senkerik. From The Globe and Mail.
NHL's John Collins Discusses Evolution, Success of Winter Classic
"According to data provided by the NHL, it appears Burwick was on to something. League sponsorship revenue is up $330 million over the last three years, with the signature New Year's Day event as the driving force"
Canada returns to Spengler Cup semi-finals
Mark Messier’s team will now take on host Davos in the final four after Wednesday's 4-3 victory over Sparta Prague. Article from the Globe and Mail.
Stars, Daley agree to $19.8M contract
The deal is for six years. Article from The Globe and Mail.
Wade Redden's player profile photo for the Connecticut Whale. I have no words. - Silver Seven
Really. I can't add anything else. High-larious.
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LOL @ Redden.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Redden looks older than his years in that photo. He’s also -7. Kris Newbury and Jeremy Williams are the point leaders for the Whale. Funny little world.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 30, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Re: Kadri's demotion
It was mentioned in the main thread the other day that a strong possibility for the timing of the demotion may had to do with the NHL roster freeze.
Then it was thought that maybe it was Burke’s own personal roster freeze.
But now that I think about it, they demoted Keith Aulie on Dec 17, well in the middle of both the NHL and Burke’s own roster freeze, so obviously promotions/demotions (and apparently coach firings) don’t count.
So again, the timing is just… confusing at best. The only long-shot reach I can think of is that everything above applies, but Aulie was more of a special case as he was a stand-in for Komisarek until he returned from injury (at which point he was immediately returned to the Marlies).
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What if this came down to a difference of opinion between Burke and Wilson? Maybe Burke was fine with him playing on the Leafs as long as he got solid minutes, but once he realised Kadri was losing favour with Wilson, he wanted him back with the Marlies?
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we’ll ever know. The timing is just so confusing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
That’s the frustrating part, a straight answer would be nice.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Transparency is not the Leafs way.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
It’s frustrating, but I’m not sure they should be transparent. Not sure it would be better for the team. I’m sure Kadri has some idea why he’s going down now.
Come get your duds in order...
Wilson pretty much said to the media after the demotion (paraphrasing):
“The reasons we tell you and the reasons internally aren’t necessarily the same thing”
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
So in essence, “I’m full of shit and any words coming out of my mouth are part of this shit I’m full of so go fuck off”
by Bobby Paradise on Dec 30, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
That would be the HBO version of it, ya.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
i would love to see a 24/7 involving the leafs to see how RW actually talks to burke and the players
by pho king awesome on Dec 30, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
same, burke said recently hed never allow his team to go through it though
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
If the MLSE board knew that fans were crazy for it, Burke might have to cave under their pressure. A thing like that could make them a heck of a lot of money.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Have to think the team would have to be a cup contender for them to allow that kind of access.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
yea, the leafs would be a mess to watch…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Fun, but a mess.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
No, it’s “I don’t owe it to Howard Berger and thousands of armchair GMs to explain why we make the decisions we do”.
Come get your duds in order...
This is closer.
He continued on to say that the REASON they don’t tell the media everything is that they make much ado about nothing. Which is very very true.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, although I want to know everything, I don’t think it’s in the best interest of those involved, so I’m OK with it.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
This sums up my feelings as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
We can’t handle the truth!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well then Burke should have sent Wilson to the Marlies and called up Eakins
by Bobby Paradise on Dec 30, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if anyone would have claimed Wilson on waivers.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
TSN would have.
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 30, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville might have. They greased it up by claiming Svatos yesterday.
by schennsational on Dec 30, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Trade Wilson for Barry Trotz? Done.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
But who/what do we trade to acquire Trotz a neck?
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 30, 2010 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Armstrong can trade some of his neck for some of Trotz’s head.
by schennsational on Dec 30, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that’s a rec … or a zig … or whatever we’re doing these days
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Dec 30, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Our 2012 1st round pick.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Is that an e5?
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I’m enjoying how bad Martin Brodeur is this year.
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He’s put the NJ rebuild 2 years ahead of schedule.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Once Parise was injured I’m sure the instructions were to tank hard.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I’m enjoying how little of a plan the Devils have in net. This is their older goalie prospect, and their younger one, whose overall stats are good, had a 3.76 GAA / .867 SVP in November.
It’s like their game plan was “Brodeur should play forever.”
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
There was no plan B.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
It’s just like us:
Plan A: Toskala becomes good at hockey
Plan B: shit
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Except their plan A worked a lot longer than ours did.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Their plan A was:
Hall of fame goalie plays for us.
Not:
Goaltender becomes good despite years of not being good.
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No! There was this one time, when he was a backup, and he was playing on a good team, that he had a really good year! I swear! JFJ saw such talent in his 28 games of .930 / 2.06! He was just bound to bounce back!
/wrists.
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by Bower Power on Dec 30, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Can’t understand why they haven’t given Frazee a shot yet.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 30, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
They’re going to play Brodeur until he literally collapses dead on the ice.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
And then revive him and do the zombie Chelios thing for another 7 seasons.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 30, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t know if this has been pointed out yet:
With Kadri in the line-up, Leafs are 8-8-1
Without Kadri, the Leafs are 5-10-3
Leafs are 5-0 when Kadri records a point.
by general borschevsky on Dec 30, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions
Soooooo, traditional post-Christmas losing streak?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Right up until Jan 31 baby.
Then a blockbuster to get us excited until March. Then watching other teams until June.
I’m going to go cry now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
We get to watch good hockey from April until June? I’m sounds good to me.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 30, 2010 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn you auto correct.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 30, 2010 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some good hockey
but also likely the Habs will be there. And that makes me sad.
Unless they continue this freefall, which will make me happy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Still 4 points clear of 9th. It’s going to be hard for anybody to get bumped out of the top 8 at this rate.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
January 31st 2010
On a 3 day weekend trip to Toronto I am spending my 21st birthday at the Hockey Hall of Fame with my brother after witnessing the Leafs blow a 3-0 lead the night before at my first ACC game. About an hour into my visit I get a phone call from my sister saying that the Leafs traded for Giguere. I think this is okay until I realize that Toskala and Blake went the other way at which point it became awesome. Ten minutes later she calls back saying we got Phaneuf, Aulie and Sjostrom for spare parts. At this point i was watching a short film on the history of the Leafs in the theater. I jump out of my seat with a huge fist pump a big Phil Kessel YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAYYYYYY! and start telling everyone about the trades. Most are confused and all start texting and calling to confirm details.
I guess the point of the story is that I spent my 20th Birthday watching Dougie go to the rafters and my 21st Birthday breaking news of the Phaneuf deal to the Hall of Fame so here is hoping that the Leafs give me another great birthday gift.
by schennsational on Dec 30, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
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17 games with Kadri Leafs scoring is 43GF (2.53), 51GA (3.00)
18 games without, 39GF (2.16), 56GA (3.11)
The Leafs are a better team with Kadri in, and that’s why he was brought in – to stop the bleeding. He was brought up after the Leafs had lost 7 in a row and scored just 12 goals in 10 games.
Kadri was good enough to stop the bleeding but not good enough to heal the wound. Now they’re just gonna let it bleed…
by general borschevsky on Dec 30, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Who needs Kadri when we’ve got John Fucking Mitchell.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully the plan is to do what’s right for Kadri’s development and not necessarily what provides the best short term results to the Toronto Maple Leafs.
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Wish they thought of that before they called him up in desperation.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Sorta what I was thinking. Burke threw Wilson a lifeline with Kadri but now he’s takling it back cause its srewing up the kids development.
17 games without a goal. They should have sent him back after 10. At least then they could say “he had 5 assists in 10 games but the team still got shutout 3 times so everyone has a lot of work to do and right now isn’t a good fit”.
by general borschevsky on Dec 30, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs are like a drug addict. They try so, so hard to stay on the wagon, but when the wheels fall off they fall off spectacularly. Then Burke wakes up from a weekend bender in Tijuana and wonders how he got that tattoo he’s never seen before.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
And its a tramp stamp.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
…..of Phil Kessel’s face.
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 30, 2010 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I won’t be sleeping tonight.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
We'll get a look at Stralman tonight
He’s had some trouble staying healthy so far this season, with 4 separate minor injuries already, but I can’t remember how he looked the last time the Leafs played them. His box-score numbers are pretty unremarkable, anyway.
Also, I just realized that Rick Nash hasn’t been doing much so far this season.17G and 11A for 28 Pts in 35 games looks a bit like Kessel’s situation here; not many people to play with.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I still love Rich Nash even if he broke my heart.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Poor Reimer is never going to get a start
jonas640 Jonas Gustavsson gets the start again in goal for the #Leafs against Columbus.
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I don’t think ol’ Grimey…I mean Reimey is getting a start until there’s a back-to-back.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
If it’s not tonight, his only chance will be the STL game of that b2b.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Dec 30, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Steve Lepore rips into Cox for his talk about the WC ratings. Thought you guys might enjoy this.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions
That's a hell of a rant.
Cox continues to be an asshole. I hate that other fanbases think he represents the Leafs fanbase.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Even Cox’s dog thinks he’s an asshole.
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by torleafsfan29 on Dec 30, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Uh Oh
HennyTweets No grabovski here today …might be a father soon.
No Grabbo against the Jackets. We’re boned.
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wait… he is gonna have a child? i have mental image of him chasing boyfriend candidates with pineapple knives if it’s a girl…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Rauhallista joulua. Ja aivan vitun railakasta uutta vuotta
If Grabbo has a kid, PPP should send a card (with a pineapple, natch) to the happy couple.
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by torleafsfan29 on Dec 30, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
....
HennyTweets Leaf lines: crabb-bozak-kessel. Kulemin-keith acton-macarthur. Armstong-mitchell-versteeg. Sjostrom-brent-orr.
Do we even have anyone to fill in for Grabbo? If Kadri gets called up again I’m going to laugh… and then maybe cry.
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Then again
that might just be for practice, not for the game.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
obv..
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
LOL! Holy fuck thats hilarious
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Kulemin seems to make everyone around him look better. Maybe Acton’s worth a look . . .
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
been wondering if Hanson would get a shot at some point…. if kadri isnt going to play why not try Hanson?
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
We haven’t tried Lebda at center, right?
Oh, four! I mean five! I mean fire! Now available in lite version!
oh god…
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
My worst fear
is that they’re expecting to pick up Rolston on re-entry today and that’s their plan for ‘C’.
#NoRolstonNo
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
ack
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t even be against picking up Rolston if he wasn’t also under contract for next year.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
According to Siegel
If Grabovski is unable to go, team has contigency plan. Likely Christian Hanson or Mike Zigomanis.
I doubt it’d be Ziggy since I think he’d have to clear waivers to go back down afterward, so Hanson is the likely choice.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
He could be a good answer for a 3rd line C if he continues what he’s doing. Big kid, had a tip-in goal last night. If he keeps going to the net he could serve a good role.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'd imagine Hanson as well
Wow, without Grabbo our C is ultra-ultra-pathetic.
Bozak – sophmore slump (hopefully only that)
Mitchell – GTFO
Brent – OK as a 4th liner tops
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
HennyTweets No grabovski here today …might be a father soon.
Per nhlcheapshot above. I assume “here” means “at practice,” so Grabbo may have just skipped this practice.
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by Bower Power on Dec 30, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri is probably the best suited stop gap, too.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 30, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
@TSNBobMcKenzie: NJD Brian Rolston clears re-entry waivers.
Ouch. Looks like every GM felt the same way I did.
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TCY from Fear the fin on the topic:
if this were an elementary school pick up basketball game, he’d be “ref”
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This season is all a terrible dream brought on by too much Penne a la Pesto.
by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
What a burn
I wonder if it will be awkward in the lockerroom for next game…. I bet he had his bags all packed just in case.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing Lou’s going to take a bad contract just to get rid of LOLston, or give up something to move him.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Lamorello has buried contracts in the AHL before, I’d be willing to bet that’ll be his most likely course of action here.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Can’t bury his contract. +35 means that his cap hit stays no matter what. The only way they could even move half of that was to do re-entry, and clearly no team was interested even at half price.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I meant of another player like Zubrus.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t bury Zubrus. He might be overpaid but he has his uses. a lot of them.
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This season is all a terrible dream brought on by too much Penne a la Pesto.
by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m assuming you’ll have a post coming up at ILWT on what the Devils’ options are now. Less and less by the day.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, i’m combing through capgeek right now.
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This season is all a terrible dream brought on by too much Penne a la Pesto.
by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
No one is willing to help NJD out of their cap situation
I guess they kind of made their own bed this summer.
Ya exactly, they’ll need to include a pick (or better player in a multi-player deal) or take back a bad contract. Tough situation indeed.
The only one I feel bad for in the whole thing is Rolston. But wow did his play ever fall off since he signed that contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The only teams NJ can make a deal with are the ones who have cap room, and the only teams who have cap room are the ones who hate the Kovalchuk-style deals because they can’t afford to do them. Lamorello’s options are pretty limited.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
ie. those teams don’t want to help Lou out because they’re angry about the Kovie deal.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Thus the need to send back a bad contract or include a better player in the deal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad Sutter re-signed, otherwise Lou could’ve gotten Bouwmeester for Rolston, Langenbrunner and Greene.
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This season is all a terrible dream brought on by too much Penne a la Pesto.
by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Now that’s how you rebuild.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Looking at it realistically, if Lou had managed to get rid of Rolston for nothing, he would have been a miracle worker. I don’t want Rolston, but I could definitely be bribed to take him. You include some setup of a good prospect, a pick, and/or RFA rights, and I’d be happy to let Rolston rot on our 3rd line.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Dec 30, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
they’ll need to include a pick (or better player in a multi-player deal) or take back a bad contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t take Rolston at full salary for this year and next year under almost any condition. That’s a huge cap hit for a 3rd liner.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
For NJ’s first-rounder? Yes. Not gonna happen though.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
No way.
Their 2nd rounder is almost as good as a late 1st though. Hell they might be back to back picks with the Leafs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
What if we sent back Komisarek? Or Rolston + pick for Komisarek + Lebda? Those are the kind of deals NJ will have to look at now to unload him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Why on Earth would they make that deal? Taking on Lebda and Komisarek would be a larger cap hit than Rolston, not to mention the fact that although Lebda comes off the books after next year, Komi is there for an additional three. I can’t see how this makes sense.
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Those are the kind of deals NJ will have to look at now to unload him.
Didn’t meant those exactly, but clearly they couldn’t unload 2.5M by re-entry, maybe they can stand to get rid of $1-$2M by taking back a slightly less-bad salary.
Clearly those examples were ridiculous.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
If NJ has their 1st round pick
I’m sure some (any) team with cap room would gladly take it along with Rolston…
by Bobby Paradise on Dec 30, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding
but that’s a huge overpayment just to dump salary. NJ projecting for top 5 pick for sure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
From the rumours
It sounds more like they’ll solve (or at least post-pone) their salary cap issues by trading Langenbrunner. Probably not for much.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
3G, 10A, 13Pts. in 28 GP with a -18.
They’d be lucky to have someone take him off their hands for anything. He’s in a contract year.
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Wait, why does getting rid of Langenbrunner help their cap situation if he’s off the books next year anyway? NJ’s juuust fitting under the cap as it is, so they’re fine for now.
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They're only below due to LTIR.
They’re projecting to be like 6M over the cap.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I know Parise’s injured, but who else? In any event, he’s not due back until March, so they have some time on him.
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Parise’s contract is up after the season too. How bad do you think this injury is going to hurt his bargaining position? He’s definitely going to get a big raise from 3.125M
by Bobby Paradise on Dec 30, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
He should get $7M, less if its long-term type. Devils have some sweet-talking to do.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I don’t think he gets quite that much. I do think that this year hurts his re-sign value, and furthermore, he only had two seasons at a PPG or better. Kovalchuk got 6.66 on a long-term deal, and there’s no way Parise gets Kovie money.
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RFA right? Offer sheet Parise?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of think we're saying the samething
less if its long-term type
But holy hell yes does Parise deserve 7M, might get less due to RFA.
last 4 season:
09/10: 38G, 82P
08/09: 45G, 94P
07/08: 32G, 65P
06/07: 31G, 62P
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kovie’s cap hit is under 7, no way Parise gets more money than that. Not a chance.
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Parise is better than Kovalchuk.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t see how you could reasonably say that their careers have been close to comparable. At this present moment, maybe it’s a different story, but Kovie’s going to get back on track.
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Parise
is also 4 years younger.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops
that was my bad.
I still say Parise > Kovalchuk.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
i’d rather have Parise over Kovalchuk any day of the year.
he’s kinda awesome
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by blurr1974 on Dec 30, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well, no denying he’s awesome. I’d go crazy if we magically made Zach Parise appear on our roster. But Kovalchuk is a whole other class of player.
The career point totals say most of what you need to know:
Parise: 419 GP – 341 Pts.
Kovalchuk: 656 GP – 661 Pts.
and he’s only one year older.
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don't care
Kovalchuk doesn’t interest me.
Parise is the new hotness
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by blurr1974 on Dec 30, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
That’s crazy talk, I thought Parise was way younger for whatever reason.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Contracts aren’t just written based on careers. Kovalchuk was looking for (and got) a retirement contract. Parise is looking for a contract that will cover his prime, and will pay out accordingly.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
NJD will want to give him a retirement one, but its a tough sell right now as it looks like they may be forced into a rebuild 2 years earlier than they wanted.
He could try to do a 1 year, 6M type contract like Semin to get to UFA which would buy time for more negotiations.
Honestly I have no idea how that is going to play out.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really sure what you mean by that first sentence.
In any event, if Parise does opt for a shorter-term, higher-cap-hit deal, the Devils may not be able to give that to him.
Also, we have yet to see how he’ll do with that knee.
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First sentence
NJD will want to give him a retirement one, but its a tough sell right now as it looks like they may be forced into a rebuild 2 years earlier than they wanted.
I guess I mean that NJD might want to lock him up as a Devil for life – i.e. an extremely long contract at a lower cap hit.
However, Parise and his agent might not want to be locked into a team just starting a long-term rebuild (i.e. won’t be competitive for 5 years), so may opt for a shorter-term contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent point, the future doesn’t look to bright in Jersey, maybe he wants to be top dog somewhere else.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
It’s something that Tavares might start wondering next season. Especially if NYI continues to tank for top picks, eventually they have to start investing in their young players.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
That being said, if the team is winning it’s a different story, as the Pens and Hawks and Caps have all been able to lock up their top-end talent.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ya
that’s why I have no doubt that Stamkos, Duchene will get locked up just fine.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly, yes. But if things don’t turn around for the Islanders, who knows.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I was responding to Bower Power with that comment; I wasn’t confused by your first sentence.
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Oh haha
everything is all squished on the side, tougher to tell who is talking to who.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
To be more clear – contracts aren’t just written on the past. Kovalchuk has sustained more high-goal, winning seasons, but Parise may still get a bigger cap hit (and may be more value) than just based on his four high goal scoring seasons.
Or in other words, paying for potential and paying for term are going to be much more expensive with Parise than with Kovalchuk.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
I said he deserves it, doubt he’ll get it.
Let’s be real though, it is a fucking joke that Kovy’s cap hit is 6.66M
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, not really the best comparable to be using.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and no. I don’t think that Parise will get a deal with that kind of term, but then, since they’re on the same team, Kovie’s contract will have to come up in negotiations.
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They’ll want to lock him in long-term for sure, which means likely a lower cap hit over a long time.
But absolutely he deserves 7M. That’s why NJ must be trying to negotiate a deal now (even though he’s hurt) because if he hits July 1 I wouldnt’ be shocked to see an offer sheet. It would be very difficult to match.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Salvador (2.9M), Parise(3.125), Josefson(0.866), Fraser(500k) all have LTIR commitments.
That shit adds up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
They’re not that dumb.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was a facetious comment.
Although, I kind of have the ‘Moneyball’ view of 1st round draft picks. Why not trade them when the market so obviously overvalues them?
by Bobby Paradise on Dec 30, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Komisarek for rolston?
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Heh
I was thinking that, but that would make their cap situation much much worse.
Only save 500k this year too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Parise and Rolston for Komisarek and Lebda…done.
Komi is closer to home, and Lebda is relatively cheap AND can play forward or defence (or Lou’s popcorn fetcher).
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by torleafsfan29 on Dec 30, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
New Jersey would burn down
not like anyone would notice, but still
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 30, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
How many times has Parent been traded/claimed on waivers this season? This is like his 3rd team already and he's again on waivers.
TSNBobMcKenzie VAN puts Ryan Parent on waivers. BOS’s Wyatt Smith clears waivers.
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“I think he’s an unbelievable player,” said Colby Armstrong. "I’m a huge fan. I tell him everyday he’s one of my favorite players in the NHL.
"You don’t learn to appreciate what a guy’s like until you’re with him every day. Seeing this guy play game in and game out the way he does, he’s like a rocket up the middle every night. He’s taking no-look passes, look-back [passes], suicide [passes through the middle], he’s going through, he’s getting hit, he’s getting up, he’s banging guys, he gets in a mix-up at the end of the game the other night throwing ‘em.
“He’s bringing it for us. He’s a huge part of our team, a really, really good player."
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 1:53 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
GRABBO!!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
rec’d for grabbo and armstrong awesomeness.
he’s going through, he’s getting hit, he’s getting up, he’s banging guys, he gets in a mix-up at the end of the game the other night throwing ‘em.
this reminds me of gene hackman in Royal Tenenbaums.
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If GRABBO needed a nickname, it’d be Royal, but he doesn’t.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is GRABBO like BOZAK!!!1 now?
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Nobody seems to call him that anymore.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak???/
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
He’s playing more like a Bozak than a BOZAK.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hence, GRABBO!!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Careful, the all-caps/!!! treatment might be a curse.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Dec 30, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right, Grabbo, it is.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Just watched it again last week, so good. Almost as good as Rushmore, not quite though.
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I wrote and directed a hit play, so I’m not sweating it either.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
hmm is the movie Tenenbaums or Tanenbaums? Because if it’s the latter that would be pretty cool
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Tenenbaums….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMfV72q40U&feature=related
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It looks more and more like this is his real level.
The elderly: They may seem friendly, but can they really be trusted?
I’d be ultra-hesitent if it was a contract year, but it’s not. That’s at least one factor erased. He’s just straight up crazy awesome.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
How’s Greg Pateryn looking these days?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
And Robert Lang?
Hahahhahahahahaha we fleeced them so goddamn badly.
Yet you never hear anything about it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
no
but you do hear how Grabbo isn’t a top level talent or true elite center etc etc etc.
honestly, is there another sports market out there that has a “home” media so blatantly biased negatively towards the team?
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by blurr1974 on Dec 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe if Montreal was losing as bad as Toronto, maybe.
Otherwise, no.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
They’ve benefited from the good goaltending caveat of the MSM acknowledging team’s mistakes formula.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Losing will do that. Not sure if it’s fair though.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 30, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine if Grabbo’s their 2nd line center, instead of boat anchor Gomez
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather not imagine Grabbo in a Habs jersey /shudders
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He would tear it off his chest Hulk-style.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
fuck. yes.
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 30, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Voracek a scratch
@Aportzline: #CBJ expected to scratch RW Jake Voracek, C Derek MacKenzie and D Mike Commodore vs. #leafs. That’s 2 straight for Voracek.
I guess it’s only BIG news when it’s Toronto’s youngin’s.
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D’uh.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus is probably the best example you can cite to counter the ‘the only way to be a good team is to draft high’ crowd. 9 top 10 picks in a row….
Klesla
Leclaire
Nash
Zherdev
Picard
Brule
Brassard
Voracek
Filatov
…and they’ve made the playoffs once – as the 8th seed – and got swept. They are currently in 13th in the West. But hey, they never traded away any high picks and they’ve kept a lot of the players they’ve drafted, so at least they’re adhering to the ‘true rebuild’ philosophy.
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They’ve generally received pretty terrible goaltending, the one year they didn’t they made the playoffs.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. But I’d also say that aside from Nash none of those top 10 picks have turned into a real difference maker.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 30, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t rule out Voracek or Filitov yet, and Nash is fucking amazing, but ya the rest have not been remarkable / left the team.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Voracek and Filitov both high picks I'd love to have
but seems like they aren’t lighting it up by any means.
I’d love to see a column on how Columbus ruins its prospects.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to have Filatov, but I wouldn’t give up near as much to get him since he isnt what the Leafs really need
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 30, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
How would you guys rank / compare Bozak as a prospect versus the guys on that Columbus list? I don’t think Burke’s given enough credit for the FA signings of Bozak, Gus, or Hanson, he really did a good job getting quality prospects into the system.
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I don’t think Burke’s given enough credit for the FA signings of Bozak, Gus, or Hanson, he really did a good job getting quality prospects into the system.
Burke gets plenty of credit, don’t worry about Burke’s credit. It’ll really shine if any of those turn out to be gamechangers for the Leafs down the road. So far Gus has worked out the best, but he’s still in development.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’d argue Gustavsson has been about as inconsistent as Bozak has. Both have had periods of excellence and periods of failure, but both have also played less than a full NHL season. Too early to tell.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Both sophmores in the NHL too
I’m not sure how long Leafs mgmt (or any club management) often gives later-developed prospects (through NCAA or Europe) compared to drafted prospects.
Both should be given more time, but smaller roles Ideally… however I don’t see how they can give Gus any smaller of a role with injury-prone Giguere the only one “above” him on the depth chart.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Next year is when they take a flyer on a veteran goalie for $1-million to $2-million. Sort of like what Chicago did with Turco this year.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
or we take a sure thing like Vokun or Bryz if they don’t want the moon
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 30, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
We’re not getting Vokoun. He’s going to want a big payday and to play for a contender.
Bryzgalov is a possibility. I wonder if he feels he owes anything to Burke?
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
If PHO is "smart"
They’ll spend every penny the NHL lets them to keep Bryzgalov.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
a team of Bryzgalov AND Grabovski…?
Hilarity ensues
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by blurr1974 on Dec 30, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I just meant ‘credit’ in terms of signing the kind of prospects you can end up with with a top 5 or 10 pick… the ones that Burke is constantly pilloried for trading away.
I guess you must frequent a different site than me, I’m not aware of a place where Burke is given plenty of credit for anything other than talking out his ass to the media (and I guess being an advocate for gay rights, to be fair).
There will be an answer. Let it be.
Some of those Columbus draft picks haven’t panned out, some of them have, and the jury’s still out on some of them. Bozak’s still barely played a season of NHL hockey, so the jury’s out on him too. That being said, I’d trade Bozak straight-up for Brassard or Voracek no question.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest I don’t know enough about either of them to say one way or another. Voracek’s numbers were pretty good last year for a 20 year old (50 pts), wonder what’s been happening recently to make him a healthy scratch.
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he’s been traded to the Leafs for Komisarek pending something and they dont want him to get hurt tonight!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 30, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
It is funny that he’s a healthy scratch. Wonder what’s up
/Movement
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Dec 30, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
He got a ton of press and credit when he signed them, all the “free wallet” stuff.
They haven’t really panned out to be extraordinary players yet, so that’s why the fanfare is downplayed.
When/If they start playing high level hockey the MSM will be all over it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
He got a lot of credit for being able to sign Hanson, Bozak and Gustavsson OVER other teams. Convincing them to come to Toronto seemed like a miracle to the MSM.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 30, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. I doubt there were many examples of the MSM saying things like ‘Burke has signed 3 young prospects that will help to counter what he gave up in the Kessel trade’ or something to that effect.
There will be an answer. Let it be.
Burke himself has said that often enough, so I’m sure anyone who pays attention has heard it.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
you’d be surprised…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 30, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right. He’s said it enough that you’d even think someone in the MSM might mention it at some point. But I guess that would assume they actually paid attention and were interested in being objective.
There will be an answer. Let it be.
Or, on the other hand, since Burke has already said it, and they’ve already quoted him on it, there’s not much need to repeat it.
by Draglikepull on Dec 30, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Another reason to like Ziggy?
I started following him on Twitter and he sent me a message thanking me.
Ya I started following him as well. Gives a lot of shoutouts to fellow Marlies and Leafs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Per Jonas from am640:
No word on Mikhail Grabovski’s status, but Darryl Boyce has been called up as a precaution
Looks like it's Darryl Boyce
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Mikhail Grabovski will not play tonight.
Jeez, I didn’t guess that one.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
@TheFourthPeriod
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Gearing up for Leafs vs Blue Jackets… 8 scouts here tonight. Phoenix with 2. They had 1 here on Tuesday.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Dec 30, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
No GDT so far makes me sad.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
There was one up but it kept redirecting here. And now it has mysteriously disappeared…
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 30, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
There have been scouts at Leaf games for a long time. Rick Dudley was at like 2-3 games in a row in November, I think, but nothing came of that. I’m sure Burke will make a move or two before the deadline, but I wouldn’t take this to mean too much.
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