Happy Brian Burke Day!
by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Wow. What a day yesterday was. I got to bed probably around 2am, pretty late for me, and then just after 8am I woke up because I heard my phone beeping with a text message. It was TSN saying, simply: Dion Phaneuf traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs. I have never woken up so fast. My husband wants to replace my alarm clock with a TSN trade ticker that will send me news of Leafs trades constantly.
My initial reaction was pure panic. What did the Leafs have to trade that was fair value for Dion Phaneuf? My only conclusion was Luke Schenn and that had me terrified. Little did I know that Burke managed to trick Darryl Sutter into believing that Matt Stajan is actually a #1 center, put in a couple of other decent players with White and Hagman, and then gave Mayers his ticket out of town. Wow.
And then came the rumours of Toskala for Giguere. And then Blake was thrown in. I have never been in more disbelief about any transaction the Leafs have ever made than that one. Superb, that someone who actually deserves to be in the NHL was traded in return for those two players.
In honour of this superb bit of GM work by Brian Burke, it is a celebration day today. HAPPY BRIAN BURKE DAY!!!
Make sure you have a lot of time for the links after the jump. I think it's a record for an FTB.
This first bunch is all about the Trades on Brian Burke Day yesterday:
- Fireworks
Eyebeleaf has anointed January 31st as Brian Burke Day. - Wrap Up On Burke’s Maple Leaf Cleansing
Toronto Sports Media's take on Brian Burke day: he threw a bomb into the room. What is the fallout? - Does the Phaneuf Trade Suggest the End Is Near for Tomas Kaberle?
Garrett at MLHS takes a look at what the future may have in store for Tomas Kaberle. Interestingly, Stajan and White were apparently two of Kaberle's best friends on the team. - Churn, Churn, Churn: An Update on the Plan
jrwendelman takes a look at yesterday's events and how they compare with his perception of The Plan as outlined in the Maple Leafs Annual, published prior to this season. - What a Day for the Leafs: Now 100% Vesa Toskala Free!
jrwendelman was busy yesterday: he wrote about Brian Burke day on his own blog too! - Impact: Phaneuf to Toronto
Andrew Knoll takes a look at the Calgary/Toronto trade, and answers some questions for Flames fans. - The cap hit
James looks at the effect on the cap of yesterday's trades. - Burke trumps Sutter in Flames-Leafs deal
Eric Duhatschek says: "The early returns show that shipping Phaneuf to Toronto was a move borne of desperation for Flames GM Darryl Sutter." Meaning: we win! YAY! - Burke on new acquistions
Alec at MLHS gives us a run-down of what Burke said about the Flames players we acquired yesterday. - Maple Leafs fans wake up to a Burkie Blast
TML Fan Fury takes his crack at analyzing Brian Burke Day. - Leafs Trade Analysis: Two Loonies for a Twonie
MF37 takes a look at yesterday's events in his unique, bitter way. - Burke Hits Reset on Rebuild With Phaneuf Trade
Hyaena reacts to the trade, noting the lack of any draft pick involved in any deal. - Who is on your guest trade list tonight?
Sleza gives us her take on Brian Burke day. But yeah, about Hagman playing with Jokinen.....well, let's give TSN a little more time to make that Jokinen trade official, eh? - Brian Burke drops the hammer
Down Goes Brown had to go to Starbuck's to write this reaction piece. And as far as his sabbatical is concerned, he says : read the fine print. - Two GMs desperate for a shakeup
Elliotte Friedman thinks Sutter could win the Phaneuf trade because of one thing he now has: flexibility come July 1. - Instant Analysis: Burke & Sutter's 7-Player Swap
Here's HOCKEYCENTRIC's take on the Phaneuf trade. He thinks a shake up was needed for both teams, and this was just what the doctor ordered. - wait what?
Wrap Around Curl is not so happy about Brian Burke Day. - Brian Burke is god
Space Weed is in his room carving an idol of Brian Burke to bow down to, thanks to yesterday's trades. Here's his take. - Glorious Leafs Trades, Freaky Timing and My Thoughts
Toronto Mike's take on Brian Burke day. - Winners and losers from the Maple Leafs' blockbuster Sunday
Puck Daddy's take on Brian Burke's handiwork yesterday. - Burke "Open For Business"
Steve from Hockey Analysis has his take on Brian Burke day and points out that the needs Steve had pointed out earlier look like they've addressed a number of them already. - Dion Phaneuf Trade - Analysis, Reactions
A Look at the blockbuster Dion Phaneuf trade from a Flames perspective - BURKE IS ELATED, DOES BALKI DANCE OF JOY
Does anyone else remember the show Perfect Strangers? I do. I miss Balki. This Habs fan thinks we could actually make some noise after the trades. - Maple Swap: Thank you, Poppa Burke!
Why Earl Sleek is happy about today's Giguere for Toskala/Blake deal. - why did the flames trade phanuef?
Fallen Leafs takes a look at Calgary's motivation of the Flames. - Flames trade Phaneuf to Toronto, add scoring depth in seven-player deal
The Hockey News takes a look at yesterday's first trade, and has some interesting quotes from the Flames' side of things. - Maple Leafs Chat: Intervention
Loser Domi has a record of the conversation Wilson had with Toskala about being traded.
Surprisingly, two people chose to write about something other than Brian Burke Day:
- Brent has two points as Marlies down Monsters 4-2 to end four-game slide
Tim Brent! has apparently become the saviour of the Marlies'. Will he get called up now that we know who he is? - Checking in with Nazem!
The Muppet looks at how well Kadri's been doing in the OHL. The future is bright!
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That picture is awesome, and I have claimed it as my profile pic in lieu of mourning the loss of the Toskala cap counter.
Resident Capologist
Toskala Cap Counter - RIP
Happy Brian Burke Day to all!
May truculence be with you!
Also, who’s next? And will he wait until after the Olympics?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 7:29 AM EST reply actions
Epic roundup
Good job Barilkosphere ; great job Karina gathering it alltogether.
Oh, and – BEST. GRAPHIC. EVAR!!!1
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
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by jrwendelman on Feb 1, 2010 7:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Y'know those Olympic ads with...
the “Do You Believe?” at the end? Now I can succintly say, “I Believe……in Burke.”
;D
I had a wierd dream last night. Brian Burke made a blockbuster AND he traded off Jason Blake and Vesa Toskalol in the same move
Wait, it happened? WOOOOOOOOOOO!
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 1, 2010 8:01 AM EST reply actions
Also yesterday
I did a quick analysis of the trades over at BMR in terms of what jokes might be made
I'll roll up on you smooth and punch you in the jeans
We didn’t give up any prospects or draft picks. We gave up spare parts who were not going to be in the long term plans for the club. We got an offensive defenseman with a physical game who plays at a high level. His upside is limitless.
Even if Phaneuf is a bust, we didn’t give up any long-term pieces. Where’s the risk?
A crippling, cap-eating contract that will be difficult to move if he doesn't turn his game around.
So there’s that risk. That being said, I’m confident that he’ll bounce back a bit with a change of venue.
A crippling, cap-eating contract that will be difficult to move if he doesn’t turn his game around.
even if he doesn’t improve one bit, he’s still way ahead of the Redden territory you are suggesting. I don’t think the Leafs are in serious danger of the cap ceiling anyways. There no free agents out there that we will be going after that would massively impact the cap for next season. in 2011-2012, we actually gain 0.75 million in cap space because of these two deals. It’s not like we went out and got Lecavalier for the next 10 years. There’s really only 2 seasons where Phaneuf’s cap hit could be higher than comfortable. That’s not a huge risk.
Giguere, Kessel and Phaneuf consume more than 30% of the Leafs cap.
That’s a back-up goalie, a d-man in decline and a forward with no-one to play with.
The team has $14M in cap space to sign/re-sign 10 guys next year. If that’s not a cap problem, I’m not sure what one is.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Who are they going to go out and sign anyways? They aren’t going after Marleau or Kovalchuck. Some of those spots will go to guys currently in the minors or juniors. However, the Leafs gain 0.75 million in cap space for 2011-2012, where the UFA crop looks much better. Kaberle will likely (but not definitely) be moved at the draft, possibly for either a 1st round or a young forward.
I don’t understand why you are so concerned about the cap situation for next season. This team isn’t going to be competing for the cup next spring anyways.
Well.
I’m not necessarily worried about the cap next year. As you say, Kabby may very well be moved, along with a couple others, so I’m going to wait a while to see how things pan out. And who said anything about Redden? I just know that $6.5M is a huge salary if he’s not playing REALLY well. As for next year, it’s as mf37 says, we need a LOT bodies to fill out the roster, and I’d rather not fill it with more Jamal Mayers.
There’s still a lot of time to clear out space plus I think it could be the incentive for Burke to finally bury Finger in the minors. Those two moves could give the Leafs $7.75M of cap space and poof! problem dissappears.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
I can see how he’d be reluctant to bury guys in the minors, though. Burke said that he wouldn’t mind doing it if it meant bringing in some really high-level talent, but he probably won’t make a move that would be unpopular with players to bring in plugs.
PPP – moving Kabs and Finger, while likely necessary, doesn’t provide that much relief: it gives the Leafs all of $1.6M per contract instead of $1.3M+
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I don’t get it. Why is there so much pressure to build a winner for next season? This team’s core group of Kessel, Phaneuf, Schenn, Kadri, Gustavsson, the guys that the rest of the team will be built around, will have an average age if 23 next season.
Give it time.
Again, it’s not about building a winner, it’s about icing a team.
Do the math, go play with Cap Geek. Kadri has a $1.75M cap hit and the Leafs have approximately $1.4M per player.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Kadri’s bonuses won’t affect our cap until the year after Giguere is gone.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
CBA expires in 2011. Don’t teams have to account for all potential bonuses in their cap hits because of that?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
if it’s not about building a winner, then i’m sure they can find 14 players willing to play for 1.4 million bucks next season.
Players that are “Burkian” and will keep bums in the seats?
Players that will “compete for the playoffs?”
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Hey, if we’re paying Finger 3.5 million and Stempniak 3.5 million to play like shit, surely we can find guys willing to do it for 1.5 million.
I’d love it if you could find a list of 8 UFA forwards that are likely to sign with the Leafs on the cheap. Say $1M? And no long-term deals either as the team has some nice cap space in a few years and will be more competitive by then too.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Go for it.
Don’t forget – they have to SIGN for ~$1M. Borque is going to triple his salary. Stajan too.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Comrie – 1.10
Grier – 1.10
Pyatt – 0.75
Lang – 1.00
Artyukhin – 1.10
Cooke – 1.20
Primeau – 1.10
Durno – 0.50
total: 7.85 million
Not Durno
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Certainly demonstrates there are options. Not very good options mind you, but options nevertheless.
I doubt any of them will crack 30 points this year.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Sad thing is, that group isn’t going to put 25 points on the board and they’re not the most physical bunch either.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
and a
4th line of Orr, Rosehill, and Sjostrom? Not bad.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
Too many 3rd and 4th line guys on the team already.
Primeau, Orr, Rosehill, Sjostrom, Mitchell.
Burke needs to sign some top level talent; not more pluggers.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
thats the next thing on his shopping list
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 1, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well we need say 4 or 5 ‘pluggers’ with 3 or 4 guys who can play 2nd or 3rd line and then 3 or 4 top-level guys, right?
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
if the cap is as tight as it appears to be, chances are Burke may be thinking next year will be another “tweaking” year before he sets his sights on big money FAs.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
and
with Blake off the books and Giggy’s contract expiring, we will have a lot more space that year
/reitterating what we know
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
Big names on the market next year:
Thorton
Brad Richards
Semin
Gagne
Bergeron
Backes
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Though probably 4 of them will be extended before they hit the market,
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
Thornton won’t make it. I think Richards will resign in Dallas as well.
do not want Semin or Gagne. Bergeron could be interesting, same goes for Backes. that said, Backes is a step down from what iI’d consider top level talent.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I think Backes is a typical Burke player.
I can’t see Bergeron becoming available, but then, with Savard and Krejci already signed…
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
they need to re-sign chara too
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
they do
Chara, Sobotka, Wheeler, Stuart, Ryder, Bitz, Morris and more all come off the books in the next two seasons.
Rask is an RFA the following year, and if he keeps playing like he has, he’ll command a hefty raise too boot.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
you keep your grubby meathooks off
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 1, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
we want your players. We already got one.
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
you wants it, precious?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 1, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
stupid fats chirellisis
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully Kadri plays in the AHL next season. No need throwing him to the dogs with this team next year.
But I think Burke should go with the strategy that Detroit uses and fill out the bottom 6 with a couple veterans and kids still on EL contracts. Get 3 to 4 people making only $550k, and you instantly can spend a lot more on a couple of guys to fill out the top 6.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
That’s what I’d prefer too, but I have a bad feeling it won’t happen.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
You don’t think Rosehill stands a chance of seeing some ice? Or is he just redundant while Orr is in the lineup?
Rosehill is the least of the Leafs’ concerns for next year.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Concern?
Why is he a concern? I’m just asking if he’s one of the plugs we’ll have in our bottom two lines for next year.
Oh, then the answer to that is yes. Look for him and Orr on a line with (insert random plugger here)
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
probably primeau at close to league min
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Primeau – Sjostrom – Kulemin/Stempniak
as the 3rd line/shutdown line
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
i dont even know how much/long Shoestring is signed for, to the googles!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
One more year at $725k
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
not too bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Or even Mitchell at around the same amount, as I think that’s the max for his new RFA contract.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Mitchell certainly hasn’t done much to deserve a raise beyond the 5% the Leafs are required to offer.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Primeau will be around his same salary if he comes back. League min would be about $1M less.
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I think he gets a shot.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Same here. Burke has this theory of Top 6, Bottom 6; but in practice it’s a Top 3, Middle 6, Bottom 3. Same with the defense.
Right now, he drastically overpays his middle guys.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
It’s pressure to fill out the roster.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I’m concerned about the cap for three reasons:
1. You still have to ice a team.
Once the Leafs give raises Kulemin, Hanson and Gustavsson they’ll have even less money to fill the other 8 spots on the roster. Try to find 8 competent NHLers with contracts under $1.4M
2. It has a big impact on player development
I think many would agree that the best thing for the Leafs prospects is they play 20+ minutes a night in the “A” If you need cap relief, those kids are likely to get rushed and play in the NHL because they’re cheaper. In addition to rushing their development, it also burns a year of their pro-contract and gets them closer to losing waiver exemption.
3. Flexibility
We all love the big trades, the shake-ups and Burke putting his stamp on this club. No cap space means trades, already a rarity, become that much tougher to pull off.
That’s why I’m concerned about cap space.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
2. It has a big impact on player development
I think many would agree that the best thing for the Leafs prospects is they play 20+ minutes a night in the "A" If you need cap relief, those kids are likely to get rushed and play in the NHL because they’re cheaper. In addition to rushing their development, it also burns a year of their pro-contract and gets them closer to losing waiver exemption.
That one is the big one. I’m not too worried about Bozak, Hanson, and Stalberg stepping in next season because that was likely the plan all along but as you pointed out last night that could mean popping Kadri in there regardless of whether he’s ready.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
that’s how the NHL works these days. You have to have young players step in into the NHL and perform.
No, that’s not how the NHL works. Bobby Ryan spent how long in the A?
Detroit and New Jersey often don’t bring their kids up until they’re 22+
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
how many 18 year olds will the leafs have on their team next year? how many 19 year olds? how many twenty year olds?
I don’t mean this as sarcastic at all: have you watched Kadri play much this year? Based on what I’ve seen, that young man needs some time.
He’s been tearing up the OHL since December. At his current pace, he’ll have 40 points over his last 18 games. I don’t know how much more he’ll get out of juniors. AHL? Maybe. But he played fairly well last September. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him in the big time next october.
He's been putting up a lot of points, this is true.
But in each game I’ve seen him in London, he’s been guilty of big giveaways that lead to goals – he gets too cute, and hangs on to the puck too long. Yes, I’ve seen him dominate the ice, but I’ve also seen him have MASSIVE lapses in defensive judgement.
next year will be tight, yes, assuming no further moves to free up cap space are made.
the year after though we’re $500K better off actually. the real quesiton is is using $6.5M for phaneuf better than $7M on blake / hagman? or $10M on blake/hagman/white? or $13.5M on blake/hagman/white/stajan? given the way this combination of players has played together, i’m leaning towards yes.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
That’s presuming none of these players could have been waived or traded for picks/prospects.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
What prospects did you expect to get for blake or hagman? because if you thought it would have been anything decent, you’ve lost it.
Hagman I think could have brought something in on his own and White too. Would it be as good as Phaneuf now or as good as he could be? Not sure.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
PICKS/prospects is what I wrote.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Face it. Hagman’s value was higher in a package deal than by himself. Hagman + White gets you more than two separate deals.
We don’t know that.
There are cap implications for all teams. Some may need D, others scoring. I think multi-player deals might actually be tougher to pull off in a capped system.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Agreed, but there are a multiplicity of options better than a below-average goaltender taking up over 10% of the cap.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
agreed. but it’s short-term pain that rids us of blake the following year, so i’m sold. and like i said last night i have more faith in giggy adding value to us – even at $6M – than i did in jason blake at $4m for two more years.
and haven’t all of us been lamenting the lack of opportunity afforded to guys like stalberg, bozak, and hanson this year? don’t those 3 guys get the opportunity now, at relatively low cost to us?
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I haven’t been lamenting the lack of opportunity for the kids. Play them 20 minutes a night for the Marlies and make them earn their ice time in the bigs.
If Blake couldn’t be moved at the deadline, I would have waived him next September.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
On the bright side
Kovalchuk at $8M per for 10+ years isn’t going to happen.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Im curious, has anyone ever plugged away at the numbers for everyteam? If you take the 3 highest contracts on each given team what is the average amount of cap space they are taking up?
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Way more than the Leafs. I sense a mini-project with this…..
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
You want to run with it? Im kinda swamped with work and home stuff at the moment.
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Bozak is still counting as a $3.875M cap hit due to bonuses, Schenn is a $2.975M cap hit for the same reason.
No idea how accurate, as I can’t really decipher the CAB, but per the NHLFA’s CBA breakdown:
The Player and the Club are free to negotiate and agree upon any dollar amount to be paid for achieving the minimum or any higher level to which the Player and Club agree. Bonuses paid under this provision are outside the cap. No other performance bonuses except games played bonuses may be included in a player’s contract during his entry level period.
Noted that this doesn’t allow for the final year of the CBA, and whether or not that’s a different animal…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
It has to do with the performance-bonus cushion. A team can actually go over cap due to bonuses, but that amount will be clawed back from their cap space in the following year.
At the conclusion of each League Year, the amount of
Performance Bonuses actually earned…shall be determined and shall be
charged against the Club’s Upper Limit and Averaged Club Salary
for such League Year. To the extent a Club’s Averaged Club
Salary exceeds its Upper Limit as a result of [different bonus types] paid by the Club…then the Club’s Upper Limit for the next League Year shall be reduced by
an amount equal to such excess.
The big problem here is: teams cannot roll-over those bonuses when the CBA is set to expire. This came up last time the CBA was up for renewal and teams had to do some tricky accounting.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
if i’m reading that correctly, the penalty is that the teams cap number in the season following is decreased by whatever amount they exceeded it?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
That’s true of years that have a cap following it but there is no CBA. This same thing happened before the current CBA got extended.
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That’s right.
So if the cap is $50M and, with acutal bonuses paid out, the Leafs end up at $52M, the penalty is the following year the Leafs’ cap is reduced by the amount of their overage, in this case $2M.
As PPP’s note says, in years when the CBA expires there is no cushion. Teams have to fit ALL bonuses – even if they’re unlikely to be earned – under the cap.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
hmmmm
sounds like Kaberle’s a goner, and if Burke can pull off what he did with Giguere, he might convince a team that wants Kabby bad enough to take on Finger as well….?
Or, he should hope he can.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs have $26m on D. Something’s got to give.
That said, I am looking forward to Kaberle feeding Phaneuf on the PP for the next 30 games.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
looking at the forwards, Poni and Stemps represent a hair over $4.6M in cap dollars currently. Primeau’s at $1.4M
Burke will probably try the same approach he did with Dominic Moore if he wants to resign any of them. As far as the top two lines go, Wilson’s comments made it clear that Bozak was sticking up with the NHL club, so I don’t think Burke will be fishing for big name UFA centers in the off season…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Kulemin needs a raise too and Hanson is also an RFA.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Both are RFAs. As you’ve pointed out in the Kessel deal, the Leafs hold the cards on that one…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they have to qualify at 105% and then negotiations begin. Hanson has zero leverage, Kulemin will be an interesting case. The Star has filed about him possibly going back to the KHL.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
he seems to like playing for Wilson. since being promoted, he’s really taken to his role. could be interesting.
his kid was born here, and his wife attends U of T. that might help keep him over here…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I hope he sticks around on a decent contract. Leafs need to squeeze some value out of their next few deals.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
if we sign the following players at deals like this for next year:
Gustavsson, Jonas 2.5
Mitchell, John 0.6
Kulemin, Nikolai 2.1
Primeau, Wayne 1.25
Hanson, Christian 1.25
Stempniak, Lee 1.5
Ponikarovsky, Alexei 3.5
that puts us at 23 players on roster with total cap hit of $55.8M. the bonuses for bozak and schenn aren’t included in this, and i don’t know how to treat them to be honest.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Gustavsson should be getting $1.5M max. Helped along by JSG’s big contract.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
No way Gusty gets 2.5, maybe more like 5 mil over 3 years, or 3.5 over two?
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
Either 2 years at $1.5, or 1 year at $2.5
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Wouldn’t a longer term be more expensive for him, since it means longer until he can resign for more if he improves a lot?
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
The bonuses count as far as I know.
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I’m not sure how to deal with bonuses either…
I doubt Stempniak signs for $1.5M. That would be a heavy cut to both his cap hit ($2.5m) and his pay ($3.5M).
The team is still brutal up the middle:
1. Bozak
2. Grabbo
3. Primeau
4. Mitchell
At least it can be done, we won’t be dressing just 17 players for a game anytime soon.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
If we don’t have high expectations next year, its not THAT bad. Gives Bozak a chance to step up.
Also, there is still a slight chance of Kadri stepping up, though then we’d have 3 “top six” centres.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
A sophmore; a streaky undersized #2; a slow, ageing vet and a borderline AHLer.
I have low expectations for next year, but I’d like to enjoy watching a game or two.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I have low expectations for next year, but I’d like to enjoy watching a game or two.
that’s all i’m hoping for as well…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 1, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf smashing people in ways we expected XLB to do should be a good show.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
brutal up the middle is right. so maybe you don’t sign stempy for $2M or poni for $3.5M, and you try to find some centre help elsewhere?
there are options anyway. things are tight for next year, but once giggy’s off the books things loosen up considerably.
waiving finger hasn’t been factored into this either. that could happen, and would give a little more breathing room.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
This team is likely to be pretty bad again next year.
The challenge will be keeping 2011-12 top of mind.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
yes. barring some incredible improvements from guys like giggy, monster, kulemin, bozak, stalberg and hanson, it could be another long season.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Or all of our big-name defensemen start playing like they can, Giggy plays decent, and the Monster develops.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
Lots of “ifs” especially with so little punch up front.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Hopefully, unlike this year, at least one or two “ifs” comes true. Look at Phoenix and Colorado, ALL of their “ifs” came true.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
Colorado is largely about the goaltending. Replacing Raycroft with Anderson was an automatic uptick in wins.
Phoenix has been slowly adding pieces very smartly. Maloney might be the most under-rated GM in the game. They also topped it off with a guy that actually knows how to coach.
Toronto remains weak up the middle, questionable in net and unless they improve on the face-off dot, they’ll struggle on the PP and PK.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Primeau might be taking more faceoffs now, which is a good thing.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
but would you have thought Anderson could keep up his play from half a season in Florida??
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of people over at Mirtle’s old site sure thought so.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
yeah but you’re the one who’s judgement I’m trying to weigh.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Anderson would be a decent signing, but more importantly, a marked upgrade over Budaj and Raycroft (how could he not be?)
I’m a big believer in the wisdom of crowds argument, but in order for that to work you can’t have a monoculture. You need a number of opinions from a variety of backgrounds.
That was what made Mirtle’s site so great – you could get a large number of informed opinions from people who weren’t vested in the outcome.
I found the comments/insights there to be accurate/right more often because they were looking at things (more)objectively and not basing opinions on “ifs” or “hope”
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
yes
I miss that, I don’t really like Mike Chen’s style, and Mirtle was always so helpful in looking things up. I just wish the commenting at the Globe and Mail could reflect FTR.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t visited since Mirtle left.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
:O
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
The one glaring problem I see with this is that Burke wants to build the team defense/goaltending first, but employs a coach with a wide open offense and little attention to defense
Wait wasn’t Ron Wilson known for being a tight defensive coach with a greak PK before he came here?
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
Yes
So now the biggests excuse – Toskala – is gone but he is still down one of his best PK weapons in Komikazi.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think the theory here, is that if the system is like that, your expensive Defence and Goaltending will make up for it, and your cheaper forwards will score above their level because they have more chances/shots
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
ok, revised with finger waived, no poni or stempy, and some slight contract modifications. 20 players with a cap hit of about $46.8M, $51.8M with bonuses.
Phaneuf, Dion D 6.5
Giguere, Jean-Sebastien G 6
Kessel, Phil F 5.4
Komisarek, Mike D 4.5
Kaberle, Tomas D 4.25
Beauchemin, Francois D 3.8
Grabovski, Mikhail F 2.9
Orr, Colton F 1
Bozak, Tyler F 0.875
Schenn, Luke D 0.875
Stalberg, Viktor F 0.85
Gunnarsson, Carl D 0.8
Sjostrom, Fredrik F 0.75
Reimer, James G 0.6
Rosehill, Jay F 0.525
Gustavsson, Jonas G 1.75
Mitchell, John F 0.6
Kulemin, Nikolai F 2.25
Primeau, Wayne F 1.25
Hanson, Christian F 1.25
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I can free up $600k by dropping Reimer.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
All this happened on the weekend of Chemmy's wedding
Overlords should get married more often!
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Feb 1, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions
I am going to let Leafspace Monika know about this theory.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
You’re going to have to go all Ulysses on her hoard of suitors if you wish that to happen.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
by SkinnyFish on Feb 1, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Good thing I have bow hunting skills
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
This is the best I’ve felt about being a Leaf fan in a long time. My faith in the management was beginning to slip, and this did a lot to restore it.
I can’t believe someone traded for Blake. I feel like building a shrine to Brian Burke just for that.
I have a thing I never update and a Twitter account
Happy Brian Burke Day, Y'all
I’ve got my Monday Morning Hangover up and running.
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by Rock Outta SoCal on Feb 1, 2010 9:02 AM EST reply actions
What would have made yesterday even better?
Getting Finger off the books. However, there sitll are a few weeks left before the trade deadline….
You’d need to be a near retarded GM to accept a trade for Jeff Finger. I wonder if Burke has Darryl Sutter’s phone number…..
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
WE TRADED JASON BLAKE IN VESA TOSKALA IN THE SAME DEAL AND ACTUALLY GOT A LIVING HUMAN BEING IN RETURN.
anything can happen.
i think i need to repeat that just to make sure it’s real.
we just traded Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake for a starting goalie.
A starting goalie with four limbs and a career save percentage higher than .800?
Bingo bango.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
Eh, the Ducks were desperate to get rid of JSG’s $6M next year and didn’t want to be spending close to $11M on goaltending. It makes a ton of sense for them.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I have a feeling he’ll be buried with the Marlies come next season.
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Feb 1, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
An interesting note on JSG
Prior to his father’s death last season (December 15th), Giguere had a 2.76 GAA and a .911 SV%. His plains tailed off noticeably after December 15th. Then, his goaltending coach and mentor left in June.
To be honest, I think his issues over the past 14 months could be completely mental. We may have just gotten a pretty good goalie if he regains his form.
Prior to his father’s death last season (December 15th), Giguere had a 2.76 GAA and a .911 SV%. His plains tailed off noticeably after December 15th. Then, his goaltending coach and mentor left in June.
To be honest, I think his issues over the past 14 months could be completely mental. We may have just gotten a pretty good goalie if he regains his form.
If ANY of this is true, somewhere, Peter Chiarelli is banging his head off a wall in the TD Bank North whatchamacallit, cursing Bob Murray’s name.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 1, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Couldn't afford the 'Bank North'
cause of Lucic’s contract
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 1, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Two days ago, on my way to work, I was seized by a vision of Nachodamus. I couldn’t log in to do anything about it though. I know it’s lame to announce it after the fact, but I believe I was given a sign.
Can it before I drive this truculence through your faceulence and put you in an ambulance.
by Brunswick Bruiser on Feb 1, 2010 9:36 AM EST reply actions
LONG COMMENT ALERT
Here are this summer’s UFAs that make less than $1.5M
Krajicek, Lukas " D 26 TBL $1,475,000 2010 (UFA)
Ott, Steve " F 27 DAL $1,425,000 2010 (UFA)
Ference, Andrew " D 30 BOS $1,400,000 2010 (UFA)
Primeau, Wayne " F 33 TOR $1,400,000 2010 (UFA)
Biron, Martin " G 32 NYI $1,400,000 2010 (UFA)
Exelby, Garnet " D 28 TOR $1,391,666 2010 (UFA)
Jurcina, Milan " D 26 CLB $1,375,000 2010 (UFA)
Bourque, Rene " F 28 CGY $1,350,000 2010 (UFA)
Mayers, Jamal " F 35 CGY $1,333,333 2010 (UFA)
Colaiacovo, Carlo " D 27 STL $1,283,333 2010 (UFA)
Lilja, Andreas " D 34 DET $1,250,000 2010 (UFA)
O’Donnell, Sean " D 38 LAK $1,250,000 2010 (UFA)
Michalek, Zbynek " D 27 PHO $1,250,000 2010 (UFA)
Budaj, Peter " G 27 COL $1,250,000 2010 (UFA)
Comrie, Mike " F 29 EDM $1,250,000 2010 (UFA)
Cooke, Matt " F 31 PIT $1,200,000 2010 (UFA)
Wellwood, Kyle " F 26 VAN $1,200,000 2010 (UFA)
Grier, Mike " F 35 BUF $1,200,000 2010 (UFA)
Johnson, Ryan " F 33 VAN $1,100,000 2010 (UFA)
Moore, Dominic " F 29 FLA $1,100,000 2010 (UFA)
Hedberg, Johan " G 36 ATL $1,087,500 2010 (UFA)
Frogren, Jonas " D 29 TOR $1,065,000 2010 (UFA)
Conroy, Craig " F 38 CGY $1,050,000 2010 (UFA)
Metropolit, Glen " F 35 MTL $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Lalime, Patrick " G 35 BUF $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Auld, Alex " G 29 DAL $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Sim, Jon " F 32 NYI $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Shanahan, Brendan " F 41 NJD $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Sydor, Darryl " D 37 STL $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Niedermayer, Rob " F 35 NJD $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Lang, Robert " F 39 PHO $1,000,000 2010 (UFA)
Tootoo, Jordin " F 26 NAS $975,000 2010 (UFA)
Artyukhin, Evgeny " F 26 ANA $950,000 2010 (UFA)
Maltby, Kirk " F 37 DET $883,333 2010 (UFA)
Schubert, Christoph " D 27 ATL $883,333 2010 (UFA)
Boogaard, Derek " F 27 MIN $875,000 2010 (UFA)
Paetsch, Nathan " D 26 BUF $850,000 2010 (UFA)
Begin, Steve " F 31 BOS $850,000 2010 (UFA)
Slater, Jim " F 27 ATL $840,000 2010 (UFA)
Backlund, Johan " G 28 PHI $800,000 2010 (UFA)
Weaver, Mike " D 31 STL $800,000 2010 (UFA)
Winchester, Brad " F 28 STL $800,000 2010 (UFA)
McKee, Jay " D 32 PIT $800,000 2010 (UFA)
Wallin, Rickard " F 29 TOR $800,000 2010 (UFA)
Afinogenov, Maxim " F 30 ATL $800,000 2010 (UFA)
Craig, Ryan " F 28 TBL $787,500 2010 (UFA)
Mottau, Mike " D 31 NJD $762,500 2010 (UFA)
Mair, Adam " F 30 BUF $758,333 2010 (UFA)
Park, Richard " F 33 NYI $750,000 2010 (UFA)
Hnidy, Shane " D 34 MIN $750,000 2010 (UFA)
Veilleux, Stephane " F 28 TBL $750,000 2010 (UFA)
Nichol, Scott " F 35 SAN $750,000 2010 (UFA)
Bouillon, Francis " D 34 NAS $750,000 2010 (UFA)
Bergeron, Marc-Andre " D 29 MTL $750,000 2010 (UFA)
Shelley, Jody " F 33 SAN $725,000 2010 (UFA)
Rinne, Pekka " G 27 NAS $725,000 2010 (UFA)
Valiquette, Steve " G 32 NYR $725,000 2010 (UFA)
Burish, Adam " F 27 CHI $712,500 2010 (UFA)
Hale, David " D 28 TBL $700,000 2010 (UFA)
Strudwick, Jason " D 34 EDM $700,000 2010 (UFA)
Bell, Brendan " D 26 CLB $700,000 2010 (UFA)
Malhotra, Manny " F 29 SAN $700,000 2010 (UFA)
Satan, Miroslav " F 35 BOS $700,000 2010 (UFA)
Nystrom, Eric " F 26 CGY $687,500 2010 (UFA)
Armstrong, Derek " F 36 STL $687,500 2010 (UFA)
Lebda, Brett " D 28 DET $650,000 2010 (UFA)
Belak, Wade " F 33 NAS $650,000 2010 (UFA)
Sifers, Jaime " D 27 MIN $650,000 2010 (UFA)
MacDonald, Joey " G 29 TOR $650,000 2010 (UFA)
Hilbert, Andy " F 28 MIN $650,000 2010 (UFA)
Asham, Arron " F 31 PHI $640,000 2010 (UFA)
Donovan, Shean " F 35 OTT $625,000 2010 (UFA)
Boulton, Eric " F 33 ATL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Shannon, Ryan " F 26 OTT $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Leighton, Michael " G 28 PHI $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Weller, Craig " F 28 BOS $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Ivanans, Raitis " F 31 LAK $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Mauldin, Greg " F 27 NYI $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Willsie, Brian " F 31 COL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Glumac, Mike " F 29 MTL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Darche, Mathieu " F 33 MTL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Lundmark, Jamie " F 29 CGY $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Foster, Kurtis " D 28 TBL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Sabourin, Dany " G 29 BOS $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Niittymaki, Antero " G 29 TBL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Eaves, Ben " F 27 NAS $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Sanford, Curtis " G 30 MTL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Dubielewicz, Wade " G 31 MIN $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Gratton, Josh " F 27 ATL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Bannister, Drew " D 35 OTT $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Pyatt, Taylor " F 28 PHO $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Wozniewski, Andy " D 29 BOS $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Popovic, Mark " D 27 ATL $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Eriksson, Anders " D 35 PHO $600,000 2010 (UFA)
Meyer, Freddy " D 29 NYI $587,500 2010 (UFA)
Perrault, Joel " F 26 PHO $587,500 2010 (UFA)
Crabb, Joey " F 26 ATL $585,000 2010 (UFA)
Barch, Krys " F 29 DAL $575,000 2010 (UFA)
Koci, David " F 28 COL $575,000 2010 (UFA)
Reich, Jeremy " F 30 NYI $575,000 2010 (UFA)
McCarthy, Steve " D 28 ATL $575,000 2010 (UFA)
Evans, Brennan " D 28 ANA $575,000 2010 (UFA)
Skoula, Martin " D 30 PIT $575,000 2010 (UFA)
Curry, Sean " D 27 PHI $562,500 2010 (UFA)
MacKenzie, Derek " F 28 CLB $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Petersen, Toby " F 31 DAL $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Hutchinson, Andrew " D 29 DAL $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Jackman, Tim " F 28 NYI $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Krahn, Brent " G 27 DAL $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Ondrus, Ben " F 27 TOR $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Pelletier, Pascal " F 26 STL $550,000 2010 (UFA)
DiPenta, Joe " D 30 BUF $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Hennigar, Rob " F 26 CAR $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Minard, Chris " F 28 EDM $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Guite, Ben " F 31 NAS $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Tallackson, Barry " F 26 STL $550,000 2010 (UFA)
DiSalvatore, Jon " F 28 MIN $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Vesce, Ryan " F 27 SAN $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Stapleton, Tim " F 27 ATL $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Smith, Nathan " F 27 MIN $550,000 2010 (UFA)
McCormick, Cody " F 26 BUF $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Ortmeyer, Jed " F 31 SAN $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Yelle, Stephane " F 35 CAR $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Cowan, Jeff " F 33 BUF $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Betts, Blair " F 29 PHI $550,000 2010 (UFA)
Scatchard, Dave " F 33 NAS $550,000 2010 (UFA)
McGrattan, Brian " F 28 CGY $547,000 2010 (UFA)
Johnson, Aaron " D 26 CGY $540,000 2010 (UFA)
MacIntyre, Steve " F 29 FLA $537,500 2010 (UFA)
Stafford, Garrett " D 30 DAL $537,500 2010 (UFA)
Jancevski, Dan " D 28 DAL $537,500 2010 (UFA)
Bochenski, Brandon " F 27 TBL $525,000 2010 (UFA)
Climie, Matt " G 26 DAL $525,000 2010 (UFA)
Haydar, Darren " F 30 COL $525,000 2010 (UFA)
Johnson, Brent " G 32 PIT $525,000 2010 (UFA)
Lannon, Ryan " D 27 MIN $525,000 2010 (UFA)
Brodeur, Mike " G 26 OTT $520,000 2010 (UFA)
Frischmon, Trevor " F 28 CLB $520,000 2010 (UFA)
Fletcher, Justin " D 26 STL $520,000 2010 (UFA)
Paddock, Cam " F 26 STL $517,500 2010 (UFA)
Thornton, Shawn " F 32 BOS $516,666 2010 (UFA)
Rogers, Brandon " D 27 MIN $512,500 2010 (UFA)
Brookbank, Sheldon " D 29 ANA $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Scott, John " D 27 MIN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Stastny, Yan " F 27 STL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Laing, Quintin " F 30 WAS $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Henry, Alex " D 30 MTL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Murray, Garth " F 27 CGY $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Nycholat, Lawrence " D 30 VAN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Parenteau, Pierre-Alexandre " F 26 NYR $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Raycroft, Andrew " G 29 VAN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Newbury, Kris " F 27 DET $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Peters, Warren " F 27 DAL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Pikkarainen, Ilkka " F 28 NJD $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Skinner, Brett " D 26 COL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Lee, Chris " D 29 PIT $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Westgarth, Brett " D 27 NYI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Ryan, Michael " F 29 CAR $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Hendricks, Matt " F 28 COL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Durno, Chris " F 29 COL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Germyn, Carsen " F 27 CGY $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Harrison, Jay " D 27 CAR $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Janik, Doug " D 29 DET $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Yonkman, Nolan " D 28 NAS $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Ellis, Matt " F 28 BUF $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Cullen, Mark " F 31 CHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Callahan, Joe " D 27 SAN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Kane, Boyd " F 31 WAS $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Fahey, Brian " D 28 COL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Lessard, Francis " F 30 PHO $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Fitzpatrick, Rory " D 35 FLA $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Munroe, Scott " G 28 NYI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Guenin, Nate " D 27 PIT $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Petiot, Richard " D 27 CHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Mormina, Joey " D 27 PHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Arsene, Dean " D 29 EDM $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Welch, Noah " D 27 ATL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Milroy, Duncan " F 26 MIN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Danis, Yann " G 28 NJD $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Kolanos, Krys " F 28 PHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Pyorala, Mika " F 28 PHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Helminen, Dwight " F 26 SAN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Groulx, Danny " D 28 SAN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Murphy, Cory " D 31 NJD $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Ward, Jason " F 31 PHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Spina, Dave " F 26 PHO $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Hoggan, Jeff " F 32 PHO $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Lampman, Bryce " D 27 STL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Delmore, Andy " D 33 DET $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Yablonski, Jeremy " F 29 OTT $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Brookbank, Wade " F 32 PIT $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Smith, Wyatt " F 32 PIT $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Bois, Danny " F 26 CHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Johnson, Jamie " F 28 FLA $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Giroux, Alexandre " F 28 WAS $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Chiodo, Andy " G 26 OTT $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Ross, Jared " F 27 PHI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Lefebvre, Guillaume " F 28 BOS $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Hollweg, Ryan " F 26 PHO $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Bayda, Ryan " F 29 PIT $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Fritz, Mitch " F 29 TBL $500,000 2010 (UFA)
May, Brad " F 38 DET $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Calder, Kyle " F 31 ANA $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Pettinger, Matt " F 29 VAN $500,000 2010 (UFA)
McAmmond, Dean " F 36 NJD $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Legace, Manny " G 36 CAR $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Gillies, Trevor " F 31 NYI $500,000 2010 (UFA)
Ebbett, Andrew " F 27 MIN $487,500 2010 (UFA)
Van Der Gulik, David " F 26 CGY $487,500 2010 (UFA)
Conboy, Tim " F 27 CAR $487,500 2010 (UFA)
Leach, Jay " D 30 SAN $487,500 2010 (UFA)
Aucoin, Keith " F 31 WAS $487,500 2010 (UFA)
Konopka, Zenon " F 29 TBL $487,500 2010 (UFA)
Sertich, Marty " F 27 COL $487,500 2010 (UFA)
Stuart, Colin " F 27 CGY $483,333 2010 (UFA)
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Cool list.
But if they’re UFA’s, it seems to me that the odds of them all making less than 1.5M next year seems slimmer.
ya know, you could have just given us a link to capgeek.
At least you titled it.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
It won’t let me sort by $.
Also, I should have filtered it just to forwards.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
You can do a sortable list at NHLnumbers.com – one HUGE downside, they have a habit of not updating the list, so it will include “UFAs” like Luongo, Hillier, etc.
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Holy huge pile of links!
Damn you work, for making me busy enough I can’t possibly read them all now!!!!
/shakes fist
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Guys, I miss Blake and Vesa
is that normal?
Ah, who am I kidding. Today is the first day the sun is truly shining in about 3 years.
there are birds singing outside my window
not kidding, its kinda creepy
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
nope, they are still out there singing, i seen one!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
i wish
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
someone has mentioned this before
But I was watching SportsCentre this morning and BMcK was talking about how Stajan was going to help Calgary’s offense playing alongside Iginla.
wait. WHAT?! So, previously we didn’t have a single top-6 guy on our roster, and now our guys are centring one of the best players in the world, and it’s going to help him?!!!
And people say the media is biased FOR Toronto.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2010 10:24 AM EST reply actions
And yet
some people will have the gall to say “ZOMG TSN IZ TRONNA SPROTS NETWROK 1967 LAFFS SUX”
They just don’t learn, do they?
by Marc Pilgrim on Feb 1, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
As per 640jonas on Twitter at the Leafs practice
Phaneuf wearing #3…Exelby not on the ice as of yet.
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Exelby now on the ice. Wearing number 7
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…and carrying a suitcase?
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indeed
not impressed
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
To those pointing out Phaneuf's declining goal totals
Goal totals for Doug Gilmour:
1986-87: 42
1987-88: 36
1988-89: 26
1989-90: 24
1990-91: 20
1991-92 (at time of trade): 11
Overtime loss: The new black.
I like you
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
If only he were a contract hold-out, under-sized centre, who went undrafted.
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Maybe some cow tights for the new D-man?
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Hey Dion, what’s your secret?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of commercials
A guy like Dion will make a killing in edorsements now that he is moving to TO, a lot more exposure. This is one of those things that makes me wonder why we can’t sign guys cheaper than most other teams: I’d rather make $3 mil here and be able to double that in endorsements than make $4 mil in Atlanta.
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Like Ken Baumgartner for Mr. Sub?
That is a world class mullet he’s rocking.
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In fact,
I wonder if the CBA has a proviso for that. Are teams allowed to hook players up with an independent company to earn them more money in advertising, as an alternative to paying them more?
No. That’s a HUGE circumvention of the CBA and salary cap and would land a team in the hottest water you could possibly imagine were the league to get wind of it.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
But
if the team is totally uninvolved in it, but the agent can see that its a lot more likely for big endorsements in a big market, they can’t do squat.
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The agent also gets a cut of the contract, though, so they won’t discount by too too much.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a difference scenario than the one you initially suggested though.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Not at all, I never said anywhere that the team would hook up the endorsement, I just said that you’d think players would factor it in their decision to sign here over a lesser market for more money.
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its gotta be a selling point for toronto
think of all the vtech phones you could get.
Madness!
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Most likely not. Very few players get to become spokespersons to a degree that it actually affects their income. (Crosby, Ovechkin, Mike Green, etc….) Players are much more likely to take a paycut on a team they feel is a contender for the cup.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
But these are the guys I’m talking about. Someone like Kovalchuk would make tens of millions a year in Toronto if he signed here for a bit less than everyone is thinking he will ask for.
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Eh, but that money isn’t guaranteed to him.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
No, but its pretty freaking obvious. Honestly, anyone of that calibre coming here would automatically become the face of a equipment company, a sports drink, a car company, and probably be on the cover of a few video games.
Imagine if we had drafted a Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin? They would be making Tiger Woods money in endorsements.
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I wish all of you could be here in Calgary today. It’s effing brilliant. The city is up in arms; it’s a weird mix of people denying Dion Phaneuf ever existed and people thinking this could be 1/2/92 all over again. My buddy was at Lake Louise when he found out; apparently the entire chalet started beeping as people’s phones started going off, and then a general grumbling commenced. Hahaha, pwn3d.
wonderful
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
this is the only time I have ever thought I might want to be in Calgary.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I want to buy one and mail it to a Flames fan I know.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
with White gone
my next jersey purchase will probably be Dion.
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Big time trades score: Toronto 2 – Calgary 0!
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So far
As everyone is saying, the outcome of this trade is almost 100% dependent on Phaneuf regaining his elite status. If not…. they just stole White and Hagman.
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jonas640 Giguere will get the bulk of starts down the stretch according to Wilson.
I guess the Monster as #1 experiment is over?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions
uhoh
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
the team thinks Jonas Gustavsson is exhausted
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thank you Elliotte. I can see why they’d believe this.
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
i buy that. Perhaps this will make him fit nicer into your cap nightmare.
1 yr, 1.5m as a reboot chance to show what he’s got? First audtion, take 2?
If he can’t outplay GIguere, he’s free to walk and try somewhere else.
If he does, he lines up for a payday.
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
And
If Gusty walks, and Giggy plays well, we can resign him for a year or two a lot cheaper than he is now (like 3-4mil is average for an average starter?) to wait for one of our own guys to develop, or a good FA goalie to come up?
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maybe Jonas turns into Felix the Cat to Giguere’s Fuhr?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Does that mean
Blue Jays will win the pennant?
Go Joe Carter!
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I’d like to install and “if” and “maybe” counter on this site.
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it would be off the charts. Reality will clue in for us all shortly, but there’s nothing wrong with hope for better things, especially for a team that seems to shot itself in the foot more often than not.
The more likely result, is Giguere provides the Leafs with a reliable keeper than allows us time to let Jonas figure this league out. The team is still in need for goaltender depth, if not a replacement for both JSG and the Monster if neither pan out as we hope.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s some reality: Bozak, Wallin, Mitchell and Primeau are the Leafs 4Cs tonight. They have combined for 6 goals in 120 games.
IF they score tonight, it may well be a miracle.
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There’s a reason why you’re ‘Bitter Leaf’
I’m assuming most bud fans are on some ‘other’ leaf…
would explain why Wellwood was always hungry….
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
every silver lining has a black cloud.
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racist
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
those centers make me very sad.
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by Karina on Feb 1, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
not saying you aren’t right, you provide much needed sensibility around these parts. Just thinking that we can worry about the Centres left until Burke pulls a new rabbit or miracle or basic standard trade to change the situation. This season is a writeoff, the future will appear or the slate wiped again. It’s not like we haven’t see that before.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve said all over the place that this season is now like a 30 game run of exhibition matches. The outcomes really don’t matter, it’s about seeing what the players are capable of. If they win, it’s a bonus.
That said, I was stunned when I ran the numbers on the current pivots and thought it illustrated the challenge ahead for the Leafs as many have three of those four Cs returning in 2010-11.
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I’ve said all over the place that this season is now like a 30 game run of exhibition matches. The outcomes really don’t matter, it’s about seeing what the players are capable of. If they win, it’s a bonus.
I think the winning is just as important, not because I think we have a shot in hell of making the playoffs, but because I watch the games for the excitement and joy I get when we score. Thus, for me (and I’m sure a lot of people) winning as many of these games as we can is really important.
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the benefits of the remaining team winning:
Getting out of the Lottery pick.
The kids playing well and within their means.
The better the play the better the stats. More value for Trade deadline day.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
But
The better the play the better the stats: Costs more to sign our RFAs and UFAs
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Burke is not going to overpay no matter the result of these 30 games. But a team will find Poni/Stemp more attractive at the deadline if they are playing well. They know they will be rentals
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Um, winning? It would be nice, but have you guys seen the 12 guys the Leafs are running up front?
Have you also crunched the numbers on the goalies?
And White, the guy we shipped out, has better offensive and defensive numbers than Phaneuf.
If the team couldn’t win before, how exactly does it start winning now?
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I didn’t say I thought they would win. Just listing the only benefits of the few games they do win brings. At most.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Key word here (twice):
Is ‘numbers’. Both Giggy and Dion have shown what they are capable of, numbers don’t mean as much when they are coming to a new team with new roles and a new system.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Far too often fans get hung up on names and hype and don’t look at the underlying numbers or the direction they’re trending.
There’s a reason Phaneuf was available for spare parts and there’s a reason Giguere was the most expensive back-up in the League.
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Nature of the beast
Calgary is a good example of what can happen even when those ‘ifs’ and ‘maybes’ seem like sure things.
Which basically just made me feel even worse.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
DBL: If you were Gustavsson’s agent, what would you suggest he do? Would you agree to a one-year deal?
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i think i would.
if so, gustavsson would only have to play well enough for the leafs to be confident in using him for a while and gets resigned to multi year extension after 10-11
if gustavsson falters next season, giguere is coming off the books at the same time and there is still the option of give him one more year to develop if the leafs think he can make it. and if the leafs dont want him he is free to walk and still young enough to be a potential starter prospect
however, if he’s locked in at 2 years or beyond, and he struggles next year (10-11), then burke & co will be foreced to get a second goalie for 11-12 in the ellis/biron/emery maybe a starter but maybe a project mold, and maybe that changes their thinking away from the gustavsson future.
and if he does excel next year, but is locked in at 2+ years, then he will lose earnings on those years because his contract this summer wont nearly be at that level.
if he does walk in this year, he will be one year older and already 0/3 when it comes to earning a starting role in the NHL, and his value for other teams might take a beating
with the arrival of giguere and his contract structure, i think all four scenarios (good or bad; 1 or 2 years) tend to align with win-win-win if gustavsson’s on a one-year deal. Win if he’s better and gets extended, win if hes worse but still sticks around with the Leafs for one more chance, win if he walks and is still attractive to another team.
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
clarity
if he does walk in this year, he will be one year older and already 0/3 when it comes to earning a starting role in the NHL, and his value for other teams might take a beating
this meant post-11/12 season, not “this” year as in 10/11
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t you think there’s way too much risk for a client on a one-year deal? There could be injuries, more heart issues, if Giguere returns to form Gustavsson may not get the playing time he needs to demonstrate his full earning potential, etc.
The Leafs are also likely to be dreadful again next year, which puts a lot of pressure on the goalie to preform.
If I were his agent, I’d be looking for a three year commitment from the Leafs. In return for a three year deal, and for forsaking the first year of UFA status, Gustavsson could also give the Leafs a break on annual salary.
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I agree with this
It makes more sense for him to sign long-term so he has a chance to show his potential as our team gets better. On our side, if we sign him for 3 years we could get a year or 2 of him playing above value (if he improves). Seems win-win-win (office reference)
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heres the difference of thought
and for forsaking the first year of UFA status, Gustavsson could also give the Leafs a break on annual salary.
you’re trying to secure a decent payday for monster, unsure about his potential longterm.
im operating on the assumption that my client will earn higher in the future, given the chance to prove it.
those different mindsets will dictate the contract he persues.
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
It’s two more years until he’s a UFA. Shouldn’t you be looking at a 2 year deal then?
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if the term is 1 year, you still have one year of RFA to play with…
if the term is 3 years, you get one year of his ‘UFA’ year
it is the exact same thing Burke said about the Kessel deal.. it was either 3 years(one year of RFA) or 5 years (Leafs get one year of what would have been his UFA year)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 1, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I get the breakdown, but the discussion is “what would you push for if you were Gustavsson’s agent?”
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A job
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 1, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
That certainly moved the discussion forward.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Also read this from that column:
Mayers and Garnet Exelby made their trade demands months ago. Shows a secret can be kept, if you want it to be.
Interesting. Especially since it was only very recently we heard about these trade demands (or at least since they became official in the media). With Burke as GM, it does seem like things are kept quiet more often than before.
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He probably leaked it because he had this deal lined up and wanted to see if anyone could offer better for Mayers before including him in the deal for Sjostrom.
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The Mayers rumours have been around for over a year.
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TSNBobMcKenzie Mike Cammalleri out 6 to 8 weeks with MCL knee injury. Oly break helps but could miss at least 14 games. Habs hope he’s a quick healer.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions
Under-rated "Con" of Brian Burke day
…having to discuss the big Leaf trades with one of my co-workers, who is convinced he’s entitled to an opinion on this, even though he pronounces our new defenceman’s name as “DEE-un Pah-NOOF”.
Yes, that’s right: “Pahnoof”.
Which reminds me: don’t we need to get to work on a nickname for the new guys?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 1, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Neon Dion is already well established, as is Giggy.
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is pretty awesome to me
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
and Aulie has a few years to distinguish himself somehow.
Whether its like Ninja Stempniak, John Fucking Mitchell, or (hopefully not) Jiri NSFW
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 1, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Just did my SPG picks for tomorrow (so excited for this game)
Anyone else notice a pretty solid strategy that has arisen from these trades?
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A few things:
Just watching some videos at TSN.ca
-Phaneuf is on OTR at 6pm on TSN2
-White is wearing #3, Hagman #11 in Calgary (didn’t see Stajan or Mayers’)
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Late Updates:
- Gustavsson had some very interesting things to say about Toskala (indirectly)
- looks like Komisarek practiced in pads today
Is it for the leafs
Or is he “working it in for the olympics” like he was with his other pair of pads?
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Definitely.
I had only seen it in a tiny window on my computer before, I just saw the same thing on SC though and yeah its leafs (funny how I made a comment earlier about how mediocre his mask design is)
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
And
This Pittsburgh vs. Buffalo game is really entertaining, only half watching it but there’s been about 5 goals since I turned it on. Also, Crosby is getting better every game (hat trick here), hope he keeps it up through February.
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