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Mirtle Mailbag No. 1

Editor's Note: Welcome to the inaugural edition of the Mirtle Mailbag here at Pension Plan Puppets. Thanks to everyone that sent in questions. If you don't see yours answered it's because there were so many to choose from. Definitely keep trying when the call for questions goes out again. You can read James' writing at the Globe and Mail as well as on the Globe on Hockey blog where you can find the features that you loved like the Playoff Push. The easiest way to track his writing is through his eponymous blog which has been resurrected. Without further ado:

1. Given the Leafs/Sharks game on Monday, Bobby Orr being in town (Kaberle/Setoguchi), SJ reputedly wanting to move Ryan Clowe and us having Alexei Ponikarovsky ready to go, can you envision a huge multi-player deal here, and if so, what would you do/like to see?
- Kidkawartha

What, you want more?

I do think we're going to see more deals made by the Leafs, but I doubt they'll be "huge" ones unless something shifts with Kaberle. (Then again, who saw the Phaneuf deal coming?) Alexei Ponikarovsky and Lee Stempniak either need new contracts or to be moved out, and I think the organization's leaning toward letting them go.

I think they should move Kaberle, but it doesn't have to necessarily be by the deadline. Maybe he fetches more in the off-season when there are more teams in the mix?

The Leafs appear to pretty much have their top five on the blueline figured out at this point (Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Schenn, Komisarek, Gunnarsson) and with Kaberle's minutes down into the 17, 18 minute range lately, I don't see him as an integral piece going forward. Yes, he's produced points, but I can't help but look at his QCMP and GA/60 at even strength and think it's time to move his salary for some help up front.

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2. By trading away so many regular players, Burke has gone to the kids and Marlies to fill out the roster, and with some pretty impressive results thus far.  This then brings up a big questions about free agency and Burke's plan for it.  Do you feel that Burke plans to keep the kids up for next year and therefore will won't be as active as he was last offseason? Or do you believe that he'll ship them back down and fill out the roster with free agents in their place?

- SkinnyFish

It's going to be somewhere in between. The thing is, there aren't that many great UFAs available this summer, and even if there were, Burke doesn't have a ton of dough to spend. I think they'll make a big push for at least one veteran forward who can make an impact and then keep the youngsters around in more of a support role than they've been forced to play lately.

Players like Tyler Bozak and Carl Gunnarsson have shown they belong in the big leagues, two of the good news stories out of this season. I bet Nazem Kadri comes in to play, too, so there'll be plenty of youth.

3. Since the lockout the Leafs' goaltenders have posted uniformly terrible save percentages--usually well below expectations coming in.  To what extent is this attributable to goalies being on the downside of their careers (which would certainly seem to apply to Eddie Belfour, Andrew Raycroft and Vesa Toskala), and to what extent has the Leafs defence corps given up higher than average shot quality?  In other words, is the addition of a league-average or better goalie all we need to really solve our defensive woes, given that the Leafs are smack in the middle of the pack in shots allowed?

- The '67 Sound

That's a great question, one I wish I had a better answer for. This is something I've chatted with Gabe Desjardins about a few times, and he says the stats show that the Leafs haven't been doing their goaltenders many favours the past few seasons.

It's interesting with Toskala though because I think he's the perfect example of a goaltender dramatically affecting the way the team in front of him plays. He lacked confidence, his teammates and coaches lacked confidence in him, and it was just a complete disaster.

Enter Giguere, and after three games, it's a different story. Toronto hasn't been a strong defensive team in, well, it seems like a long, long time, often relying on strong goaltending from guys like Cujo and Belfour and being one of the top scoring teams in the league to get it done.

All that said, I blame the goaltending a little more than defensive play. Raycroft and Toskala are just not NHL starters -- and especially not in a market this demanding on a No. 1. It makes you realize just how special the guys who did it well were because this has to be the toughest city in the league to carry that load.

4. Based on what you have seen thus far, do you believe that Viktor Stalberg and Tyler Bozak can be top-six forwards on a playoff team?

- The '67 Sound

Bozak more so than Stalberg, although both have shown that they're going to play in this league for a while. What I really like from Bozak is his work ethic and hockey sense -- he's not a very big guy, but he can overcome that with the skills he's got.

Right now, he looks like he'll be a 60-point second-line centre. I'm not sure on Stalberg yet, but the guy's got some real physical gifts that could make him a solid third-liner. He's just not generating enough offensively to merit much acclaim right now.

5. What is the single biggest missing piece of the puzzle for the Leafs moving forward (looking at their organization as a whole, including junior, college and AHL players in the system)?  I think it's a big, top 6 centre -- both Kadri and Bozak project more as the shifty playmaker type.

- The '67 Sound

Exactly, which immediately makes me think Patrick Marleau would look nice as a Leaf.

Problem being, his history with Wilson isn't exactly great.

They really need a first-line centre who can go up against the other big dogs around the league, but those are really tough to come by and a lot of teams have to get by without one. The other option is to find a 1A or 1B who can take some of the load off the smaller, speedy pivots they've got a lot of. (Grabovski is in that group, too.)

6. What is Mikhail Grabovski's future in the organization?  For 2011-12 I project Bozak and Kadri, in some order, as the top 2 centres.  Grabovski doesn't strike me as a 3rd line type, but he's under contract for that season.  What do you think Burke has in mind?

- The '67 Sound

Another good question. Grabovski's play here after the Olympics is going to be really important I think for his future with the Leafs, as he has not been all that impressive to date. Is he going to peak as a speedy, 50-point centre or is there more there?

And, as a sidebar, does he have trade value given his contract? Because I could see him being moved if there's a buyer.

7. What is Burke's plan for Jeff Finger?  Does he really plan to have him on the NHL roster next year?  Are the Leafs trying to set a record for "highest cap hit for a defence corp"?

- The '67 Sound

Hard not to feel bad for Finger. Yes, he's overpaid, but he should be able to be a depth guy somewhere in the league.

That said, he's been brutal this year -- worse, somehow, than Exelby -- and needs a change in scenery. Burke tried to send him to Anaheim with Toskala instead of Blake, but the Ducks didn't want him.

It's quite likely the Leafs need that cap space for next season, so if there's not a taker for Finger, I think we'll see them try and either eat half his deal by dumping him on re-entry waivers or a buyout ($1.17-million on the cap for four years if they go that route, joining the $1-million a year Tucker is taking up).

My guess is that Burke would like to avoid putting him in the minors and allow him to continue his career somewhere, but it might come to that.

What's crystal clear is that he's very unhappy with the current circumstances.

8. The issue of the Maple Leafs' captaincy seems to perennially be on the minds of the fans.  There's been a lot of discussion about who 'should' be the Leafs Captain and some silly names have been thrown around, including several players who are no longer with the club as a result of the recent trades.

My question is this:  what specifically is the process that the Leafs use to assign the honour?  My understanding is that at least in the old days, the team Captain was selected by his team-mates, rather than management.  The idea was that the players identified and supported the leader among them. 

Is that idea - that the Captain is chosen by his peers - an outdated concept now, something like a vestige from the pre-PA days when there was a lot more "us vs. them" division between the players and management?  How is the issue currently handled by the Leafs (could the players designate a captain if they wanted, or does MLSE purport to reserve some sort of domain over the assignment of that honour?), and are those practices just understood through tradition or are they formalized somewhere?

Also, how does the Leafs' practice in relation to the captaincy relate to the way the issue is handled in other organizations?  Does anybody let the players choose the captain anymore?

I promise my next quesiton will be more about x's and o's, but the Captaincy of the Leafs is such a great honour, and there's been so much discussion about who the next Captain ought to be, and I feel like we don't really know a whole lot about how it all works.

- jrwendelman

I'm afraid I'm going to have to take a bit of a pass here. I've been around the team a lot the past four months and this is one of those topics no one will offer anything on other than "we have plenty of leadership in the room, etc." The media is just as curious as the fans over how this will be handled, but Wilson isn't interested in talking about it at all.

What I think the concern is is that they're worried the 'C' is just going to put way too much unnecessary pressure on one player. It has to be someone who can deal with the press well given the interview requests (and scrutiny) will shoot up considerably once they add that letter, and the organization just doesn't seem to think anyone's ready for that.

I'd give it to Beauchemin -- although that might change if they add a more suitable someone this summer.

9. What would your best shutdown line look like for the Leafs if you could choose any five players? Also, if you had the reins, what would you do to improve the overall team defence, esp. on PK and GA?

- kidkawartha

Tough call given current personnel. They obviously need more of their top players to be better defensively overall, and I think that'll be one need up front addressed in free agency.

If we're talking even strength, I'd go with Nikolai Kulemin and Fredrik Sjostrom out there on the wings and probably Wayne Primeau at centre. Gunnarsson and Francois Beauchemin have been fine in their own end, although Schenn's come on in that department lately.

Hard to say if Primeau's going to be back given he's a UFA, but they could definitely use an upgrade in the big, checking centre department.

Thanks a ton to everyone that sent in questions. Unfortunately the tragedy on Friday held me up from getting to these a bit quicker but looking forward to weighing in as the season goes along.

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If one of the best hockey minds in the biz answers TWO of your questions, does that make you a little bit famous? And if so, when is the Walk of Fame ceremony for "67 Sound?

I am Mikhail Grabovski's smirking revenge.

by kidkawartha on Feb 10, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Also, I screwed up my second question- should have added “if you could choose any 5 players league wide?”

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by kidkawartha on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it worked out better the way that you sent it in.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys wouldn’t like that: I’d have Alfredsson on it.

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by James Mirtle on Feb 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Blaspheme...

Being a fan is as wonderful as it is irrational. Or vice-versa.

by Kenjamin on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You all might be interested to know that the one question of mine that Mirtle declined to answer was:

“The sophistication of analysis in Toronto’s daily newspapers often does not match what is available online through various blogs, including yours and this one. Do editors require writers to play to the “common fan”, as opposed to the more sophisticated ones who frequent the Internet? Or are the writers really just more interested in boardroom politics and hackneyed cliches?"

Can’t really blame him for ignoring that one. A big thanks to James for answering any of our questions, and doing so intelligently (see Damien, it’s not so hard).

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d say, as with the baseball world, the common fan is not ready for what is available out there on the internet. Old time fans in hockey are much like baseball fans who still value the RBI.

by njd.aitken on Feb 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for doing this James, these are some great answers. And good questions submitted as well, kudos to you.

I know that one of the answers has raised a question in my mind that I’ll send for the next mailbag (though it wouldn’t surprise me if others also have the same thought).

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by stucky on Feb 10, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Great to see a member of the sports media engaging fans instead of treating them like a burden. I probably got more insight out of this short Q&A than the entire body of Damien Cox’s work over his career.

by puckurgently on Feb 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Loving the Kaberle QCMP and GA/60 thing.

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by Chemmy on Feb 10, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

A classic example of how Leafs fans don’t mind being told some of their players aren’t necessarily that good, because it’s done through reasoned analysis, rather than Berger et al’s approach of “Leafs fans are so stupid, how could they think any of their players are any good, this is why the team will always suck.”

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No I’ve been saying it for years it’s nice for Mirtle to get my back.

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by Chemmy on Feb 10, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

truth

i haven’t been around as long as most, but for as long as I’ve been posting here, Chemmy hasn’t been too keen on Kaberle.

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Feb 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

His trade value is much higher than his value to the team, people defend his soft play by saying he makes a great first pass that I’ve never seen.

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by Chemmy on Feb 10, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

you’ve already changed my opinion of him.

not “down” on Kabby per se, just less impressed.

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Feb 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He will be gone in the offseason…If not I’ll eat your sombrero.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured some of you already knew this stuff!

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by James Mirtle on Feb 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

We talk about Kaberle A LOT.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Shhhh

Not all of the users of the internet are accounted for. We don’t know who might be watching!

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by Shield on Feb 10, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

JUDAS!

no but, seriously, we really need to trade him.

This season’s a writeoff so I don’t care if its at the deadline or in the summer, but if Kabby is still a Leaf come training camp, Burke will have totally dropped the ball.

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by pevans on Feb 10, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Now hold on.

There’s a difference between getting a return that helps the team going forward, and trading him just for the sake of trading him. He’s the most valuable asset the team has available to trade, and if Burke doesn’t feel he’s getting the adequate return, I don’t want to see that deal made.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

PERSPECTIVE!!!!111

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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 10, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

disagreed

letting kaberle enter next season as a UFA-to-be with a NTC would be letting an asset wither on the vine. Barring a major offseason shakeup that makes him once again at the core of our D, he absolutely has to be traded for something.

We can’t have 6 defencemen making north of $3.5 million. We just can’t.

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by pevans on Feb 10, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

would you rather have a 1st round pick or a solid prospect at centre ice?

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We need

a # 1 centre.

Remember when all we had was a #1 centre?

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 10, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yup.

Read PPP say somethin’ about that the other day, something about how much Sundin was holding the team together

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but then we wanted a number one winger

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t have ’em all.

Unless you’re the San Jose Sharks… in which case you can have a #1 centre (or two). And a #1 winger. And a #1 defenseman. And a #1 goalie.

On the flip side, WE ALMOST WON!!11

by unavoidable on Feb 10, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Just look at how the return for Ilya Kovalchuk dropped the closer he got to being a UFA.

Kaberle’s contract is a huge part of what makes him attractive. DGB’s made the point before but for about $1M more you can get him for two playoff runs instead of one.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

True but I doubt Burke’s going to allow a team to negotiate with him before a trade either which also played a part.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If the choice is between

taking 50 cents on the dollar for Kaberle because he has an NTC and we have Finger making too much money; or
keeping Kaberle because a good deal wasn’t out there, re-signing him and burying Finger, then I choose Option 2.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I call him Mirtle the Turtle?

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by JohnnyG on Feb 10, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Kidding!

I loved From the rink when he was writing there as well as his pieces on the globe and mail. Thanks James for doing this!

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by JohnnyG on Feb 10, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yah, no.

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by James Mirtle on Feb 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

On Captains...

I think one major block to naming captain is Kaberle. He is a vet and longest serving Leaf and to name anyone else captain would be a slap in the face and a black mark on the organization (as an example of how they don’t care, etc, etc, queue the Berger/Cox commentaries). I think once he is shipped out a captain will be named and I would expect it to be a vet of some sorts.

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by BlueBuds on Feb 10, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

i disagree

captaincy is not an automatic position for individuals with the longest tenure.

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by blurr1974 on Feb 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

But I can see the wait being part because of optics in addition to what James said about it being a very difficult position to hold especially when the team is so terrible.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What I’d like to know is when it became a decision that management makes.

Shouldn’t the players, at some point, have the option of choosing whether they want to appoint a captain? Maybe they have, I don’t know. That was the reason I asked the question. Much was made of the unanimous player vote in Washington that brought Ovie the “C”; it just seems like things are being done differently in Toronto than they are on other teams.

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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

well I think BlueBuds has found one part of it with the Kaberle situation… once he’s gone, I think you have a better chance of the team actually voting honestly. That is, while we’ve shipped out most of the long term players, there are probably some that look at Kabby and think he deserves it just for having stuck around so long, he already knows how to deal with the media etc. But if the intention is to trade him, giving him the C right now is a poor idea. Trade him and then let the players vote.

FWIW, Craig Rivet was also voted Captain in Buffalo…

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by Karina on Feb 10, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Man…just about every hockey team i played on (non men’s rec league) the captain was picked by player vote.

It seemed the best way to do it. The Captain had to be someone the team respected and looked up to a bit. He was the middle man between the players and the coach if it ever came up. The players trusted he was busting his back every night.

The odd time the coach appointed a captain, not everyone agreed. And there was some dissonance in the room.

I hope RW leaves this one up to the players.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s really my point in asking the question. I can understand the reluctance of management to have Kaberle as a captain (though I wonder if the players would really vote for him or not). I’m just a little curious about how the process works – is it basically understood by the players that they have the right to vote for their captain, but – in the case of the Leafs – management has said “you won’t have a captain this year, because this is a team in flux, so don’t vote”? If that message was sent by management, either explicitly or implicitly, that might explain some of the lack of commitment to team play we saw in the early part of the year.

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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If that message was sent by management, either explicitly or implicitly, that might explain some of the lack of commitment to team play we saw in the early part of the year.

One of the things that a few Flyers credited for their turnaround was that their GM Paul Holmgren went into the dressing room and said “This is the team. Fix it because I am not trading anyone”.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Despite all the playoffs (!!!1) talk from Burke…I gotta think the players weren’t too dumb to think Burke was done with roster movement. They had to know it was all about finding out who fits long term, while making a push for the playoffs.

I think the psychological impact of that is understated. Guys start playing for themselves “I’m worth it” rather than for the team “Let’s win.”

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

IIRC, didn’t Modano step down last summer?

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

he didn’t step down, they gave the C to Morrow. Modano was pretty upset about it.

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by Karina on Feb 10, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s a brief article touching on it.

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by Karina on Feb 10, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

would we really want a situation like that? Im sure kaberle wouldnt be very happy if someone who has been here for 6 months is the captain instead of him

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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't really see Kaberle being to upset about it

He doesn’t seem the type, but then again Modano doesn’t either. Either way, their is very little doubt left that Kaberle’s days are numbered, so I don’t think he would care if someone else was named captain, and if he did, well he’ll be gone in a bit anyway.

by njd.aitken on Feb 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This was a great read and I look forward to part deux. Thank goodness for the internet and writers like James.

“What’s crystal clear is that he’s (Jeff Finger) very unhappy with the current circumstances.”

hmmmm….didn’t know THAT! Figured he was unhappy, but sounds like he’s downright pissed and it’s obvious.

So… what’s the statute of limitations regarding us turning on a Leaf player who is unhappy to just be a Leaf (healthy scratch or not)?

Also, if it all happens as expected – the Leafs will go from a team that had too many NHL D-man this season, to a team with short on depth at the D position next season (through the top 5 look pretty good).

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

You’re probably looking at a D of Phaneuf, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Schenn, and Gunnarsson for sure.

(Assuming Kaberle is traded, Exelby leaves as a free agent, and Finger is buried in the AHL or traded)

Frogren probably leaves too, which leaves the only notable options as Oreskovic, Mikus and Aulie. Aulie and Mikus aren’t ready yet for the NHL, and if you’re in a real cap bind, maybe you can get by with Oreskovic as your #6 if the other 5 are carrying the load. But that puts a lot of pressure on Schenn and Gunnarsson who are still quite young.

So you might be right; the Leafs look like they’ll be in the market for a third pairing Dman next season. (Although searching CapGeek for the free agent defenceman who make less than 1 million, there aren’t too many names that really jump out at me.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Oreskovic makes the jump next year for sure at this rate. He’ll give them some cap space for the forwards.

It’s definitely a risk but I think he can play the 7-10 minute role well.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not worried about our 6th D. Though only 21, Mikus is in his 4th year playing with men and seems to be doing just fine with the Marlies (his +/- is ugly but only Frogren’s is really better among their regular D). I think he’d be fine as #6. So would Oreskovic, and maybe even Aulie. If they want to put off Mikus’s UFA status I’m fine with any of the upcoming UFA Ds currently making $750K-1MM (Sydor, Schubert, Paetsch, Weaver, McKee, Mottau, Bergeron). They’d only need to play 10-15 minutes/gm.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhh….this is why I come here….points validated with reason and logic.

to push buttons a bit…I’m worried about what injuries might do. Our depth d-man are low on NHL experience. Mikus, Oreskovic, Aulie as the 6th or 7th options are good. Should an injury force them into large minutes (see Komisarek, Mike and Gunnarsson, Carl) then hope for the best i guess?

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If early in the season injuries were an issue on the back-end, I could see Burke doing what Montreal did after Markov went down; signing Bergeron as a fill-in.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Just funny how the team will take a turn in one season, too many D to not enough D

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true.

The problem I’d rather have is too many forwards.

by njd.aitken on Feb 10, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree we’d be vulnerable to injury. It might not be a bad idea to stock a relatively cheap, experienced depth D-man or two on the Marlies, just in case. That’s what the MLSE coffers are for, right?

On the other hand, look at the Sharks. If you go on their site they’re bemoaning the loss of Vlasic and how Blake and Huskins are playing far more prominent roles than they should be. They still seem to be muddling by, to put it mildly. If the rest of your team is OK the #6 D matters very little.

Bottom line, let’s not do anything rash that would hurt our cap beyond next year. I’m sure you’re not suggesting otherwise.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like he’s addressing the same concern the Sharks fans currently are about Blake & Huskins.

It’s definitely a concern when you have guys playing too far up the depth chart, as evidenced by our forwards all season.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

nope….you’ve nailed it. 3 big money D-man are enough. Hope they’re durable and the young’uns can step in when needed.

Wendel Killer Joseph

by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Phil Oreskovic

I’ve watched Phil since his junior days in Brampton. Was at last Saturday’s game against the Bulldogs and Phil was out there playing centre for half a dozen shifts. One time he was deep in the Hamilton zone and when he started back to the bench for a line change I wasn’t sure he’d make it back before the end of the period—-there were still about three minutes left.

Phil’s not an NHL defenceman but the Leafs are pretty bare down at the Ricoh so they may not have any choice.

As someone once said, “The only time Phil works out is when he takes his empties back to the Beer Store”

by JRichardson2150 on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That's

awesome

Wendel Killer Joseph

by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Phil went to the Marlies last year being told he had to work on his skating, and RW said he got the emergency call-up because of the improvements in his skating.

His ceiling is as a #6/7 D in the NHL, but with so much money tied up in the rest of the blueline, next year could be a good chance for him to break through.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Woz 2.0

is what I’m afraid of

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by pevans on Feb 10, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

wasnt Woz leading the AHl defence in scoring?

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

he was leading the whole AHL in scoring

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

For a little bit. It was strange. I assume it was an AHL-approved prank.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

For a little bit. It was strange. I assume it was an AHL-approved prank.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome

Thanks for joining.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

great feature Overlord, I like it. great answers Mirtle. i’ll try to get some questions in for next time.

I’m really enjoying the site lately on a sidenote. i don’t contribute as much as i’d like, but that’s because all the contributors are just so damn knowledgeable (like Mirtle) that it’s intimidating :p

Keep up the great work Mirtle and PPP

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by kessticle on Feb 10, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

it’s intimidating

Don’t let it be!

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m mostly joking around when i say that. mostly.

my knowledge of hockey comes down to the Xs and Os more than stats. hopefully i can learn to contibute more to that end. meanwhile, i certainly enjoy the trade speculation, cap crunching and scouting reports that seem to be the specialty of everyone else. keep up the great work PPP members!

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by kessticle on Feb 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If you have something really interesting to say X’s and O’s wise post a Fanshot. If it’s good I’ll toss it on the front page.

I’d love to see some X’s and O’s kinda stuff personally, I think it’s really overlooked in the blogosphere.

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by Chemmy on Feb 10, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

it is overlooked…Give it a crack Kessticle

Wendel Killer Joseph

by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Notwithstanding the recent improvement, I’d love someone to analyze, from an Xs and Os perspective, why our PK has been so terrible (assuming there’s more to it than “Toskala sucks”).

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well for starters

our weak side coverage from the forwards has been atrocious. The number of times the Leafs have been victimized by back door plays is ridiculous.

They tend to over-rotate on coverages in zone also… they’re too stationary and don’t pressure the point enough… and when they do pressure the point they’ve let too much go down low.

A lot of their mistakes are being made by younger players… i.e. Schenn, Kulemin… but as things go forward you’d like to see that stuff improve.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

unfortunately a lot of it does come back to “Toskala Sucks” . The fact that the Leafs PK was almost 20% better with Gustavsson in net than Toskala has a lot to do with why it was so bad for the first 2/3rds of the year. They were REALLY fucking bad with Toskala in net.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds Good

Now represent it graphically!

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I teach graphing

I don’t want to use it when I get home from work… I had a development session on differentiated instruction all day today… I’d rather not bother.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Not graphing

I mean like pictures. It’s drawing. Look at it as fun.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Drawing is the best pastime ever.

by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 10, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Great stuff

It does seem the Leafs have been vulnerable to the backdoor. I seem to remember Tavares victimizing them repeatedly in one game.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It does seem the Leafs have been vulnerable to the backdoor.

I am trying SOOOOOOO hard not to make the obvious joke here.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Given how I have felt after many games this year I thought the double entendre was appropriate.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

twss

did it for you

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by pevans on Feb 10, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

just because...

MARLEAU!!!1

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by Karina on Feb 10, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

Just for discussion

what about Plekanec, Stajan, Jokinen, Jason Williams, Jagr (who is rumoured to be returning to the NHL next year), Vasicek, Sergei Mozyakin, Alex Radulov, etc. (the last 4 are currently in the KHL)

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

no thanks, NO THANKS, no thanks, maybe, meh, no thanks, no thanks, no thanks

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Moazyakin

has 139 goals over the past 5 years in Russia (between the KHL and RSL)… that’s in 267 games. He’s scoring at a 0.52 gpg pace for 5 years running.

Just by way of comparison, Radulov has 43 goals in 99 games over the past two years (0.43 gpg), Jagr has 47 goals in 100 games (0.47 gpg), and Yashin has 52 goals in 161 games (0.32 gpg).

I’m pretty sure he’s completely uninterested in coming to North America, but I’d take a flyer on him. He’s a LW not a centre though.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That should have read Mozyakin.

and I didn’t realize Nashville retained Radulov’s rights in perpetuity… there’s rules about defected players… not sure what the term is on it though… I forget.

I think it relates to the same stuff that came up with Frogren coming over with us because he had been drafted by Calgary originally.

Either way, we could trade for Radulov’s rights and offer him money to play for us.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Radulov

He’s Predators’ property if he comes back.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no, hell to the no, depends on the price, hahaha, no, Who, still under contract with Nashville

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

see my above comments

He was drafted by Columbus in the 9th round back in 2002, and he’s 28 years old… and a bit undersized… but he can fucking shoot the lights out.

Watch for him at the olympics. He’ll be playing for the Russians.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

he is legit, so is Morozov (i have no idea bout his contract) but i would like it muchly if the Leafs could tempt either across the pond

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

except morozov is 32… so I’d be less happy with him.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

less happy yes
but he is still a damned fine hockey player

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll change Mozyakin to a “depends on the price” then

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

just pay attention to him at the olympics

he obviously is unlikely to get top power play time… but you can watch Russia’s games and see if you like how he plays then.

He’s basically a Russian Phil Kessel.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

At the risk of getting flamed...

I’d consider Jokinen on a one year deal if the price was right. Classic pump and dump.

My biggest fear would be his crappy attitude rubbing off on the kids. That alone might be enough to pass even if he played for the minimum.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Chemmy floated this idea a while ago… I think most people here are on board with this idea.

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by Karina on Feb 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be one that isn’t.

Nothing about Jokinen appeals to me. I think he’d be a terrible fit and would just take up a roster spot that could be better served developing a young forward, and/or cap space that could be better served re-signing key youngsters and/or bringing someone in to address another specific need.

And I seriously doubt Jokinen would accept a one-year deal anywhere.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I have doubts about the fit from Jokinen’s perspective, but I think if we can give him the tougher minutes, and Bozak/Kessel some easier minutes, I’d be good with it.

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by Karina on Feb 10, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If you have Kessel & Bozak together on another line, who are you playing with Jokinen to make him worth having?

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I would like to keep Ponikarovsky, but yeah I have no idea who would be on the other side.

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by Karina on Feb 10, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Jagr won’t come cheap, he may say he is interested in coming back to the NHL but when his biggest offer is $2 million and the KHL offers triple that…

I’d be fine bringing in Plekanec or Jokinen, but not at the salaries they will demand. God no more Matt Stajan. The rest of the names are useless.

by njd.aitken on Feb 10, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and I'm not advocating for any of the above particularly

just mentioning some names of note … I included the KHL guys because the pool of talent looks thin as far as free agents go this coming season.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

If anything, Rickard Wallin has shown that offense doesn’t necessarily translate from Europe to the NHL

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the SEL is a half-step below the KHL in terms of quality of competition.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i think that’s debatable. there are some big name players in the KHL, but not many.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah the KHL is not a good league

The scoring leaders are filled with NHL flameouts (Marcel Hossa, Mattias Weinhandl, Patrick Thoresen).

by njd.aitken on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah except

I’m comparing him to Jagr, Yashin, and Radulov… not Jaroslav Hlinka and Jan Hlavac. The KHL/RSL is far more competitive than the SEL from a scoring standpoint.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless, do ANY of those guys you mentioned, besides maybe Williams, fit the type of player Burke would want to bring in? Doubtful.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Big ice over there makes it different. How will he react to playing in traffic? Filatov says he loves it there because there is more time and space. The Olympics will be a good test on NA ice for those guys.

by Leaf in Habland on Feb 10, 2010 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Need size down the middle.

“I think it’s a big, top 6 centre”

Wendel Killer Joseph

by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

well yeah

but I think the skill level could use a boost too… I’m just spit balling either way.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear ya about the spitballing.

Stefanovich plays wing
Champagne doesn’t look like a top 6 centre, based on his numbers in the Q
and Hanson looks like bottom 6 Centre at this point too. Hope I’m wrong, maybe he’ll be that guy next season.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

as for size in the middle

we have Hanson, Champagne, Stefanovich… they’re all big.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Stefanovich is a winger.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought Stefano was a winger? oh well

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a RW

apparently I’m forgetful today…. but yeah Champagne and Hanson… they’ve got Hayes and Stefanovich and Stalberg for the wings… I’m not sure size will be a huge problem in the future.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of Stefanovich

monster week last week. From Jan 24th till now he has scored 8 goals and 11 assists for 19 points in 8 games.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Paradis has been potting goals too. Shooting 13.8% on the season.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah

forgot about Paradis … he helps the size factor also. and yeah he has 6 goals in his last 6 games, plus another 2 assists.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Champagne has also scored 58pts in 52 games (27g, 31a)
not super star numbers but pretty decent

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Decent, but not first line NHL centre. hoping that changes.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

no, he is probably Mitchells inevitable replacement

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

If he can skate better then Mitchell (balance, moreso than spped) I’ll be happy

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He's amazing at faceoffs

and he’s good in front of the net. I don’t think Mitchell is particularly skilled at standing in front on screens and getting tip ins… he really could use some work on that.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

mitchell wants to play like Kessel but has the body of Komisarek. He needs to change up his game.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I really want Komarov to come over, the leafs need a class A agitator

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sergei Mozyakin

5 ft 10 in
171 lb

uh, no thanks.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

yeah I said

he’s a Russian Kessel.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

size isnt everything, he wouldnt be coming to play on the 4th line

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

let’s be honest here… if Burke was obsessed with size would he have signed Kessel, Bozak, Grabovski, and Kadri?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

we already have enough smallish skilled guys. we need some size in the top 6.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What part were you missing when I mentioned

Stalberg, Stefanovich, Paradis…

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Hayes

Hanson, Champagne, Slaney, etc. etc. etc.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Kenny ryan isnt tall, but he is a stocky bugger

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

also struggling to find his game in the OHL

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You could add

Dale Mitchell to that then.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and Jerry D'amigo

they both fit the stocky, fast, able to score mold.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Dido too

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still worried

about his recovery from that injury. It’s amazingly hard to come back at the same level after a break like that.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

true, we really wont be able to gauge where he is at until the end of next season

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

  1. of those guys playing for the Leafs next year: 1.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when is Burke just worried about

next year?

Next year’s team might very well be worse than this year’s to be honest.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see any of the guys you mentioned as long term options for this team.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

not the prospects, the KHL/NHl UFAs

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you possibly know

at this point… who is a long term option when half the prospects the Leafs had are still in junior or the NCAA?

Nobody knows which ones will pan out… not even the Leafs scouts and management.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

ah ok

well I wasn’t talking long term in that instance… I was thinking as stop gaps… I admit they aren’t going to find a big centre next year in all probability… but they do need some offense

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

My question is: why do we need stop-gaps in the first place? Because we don’t have our first round pick? The Leafs don’t have a first round pick regardless of how they finish in the standings.
I don’t think of any of the guys you mentioned as putting the Leafs over the top into a “contender” category. Not even into a “playoffs” category. So I think it’s pointless.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

so what do they do then? Burn cheap contract years of all the kids? fill the wholes with broken down veterans?

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather have cheap young talent learning on the job than one year rentals that just burn cap space.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as cap space is only burned for next year I’d rather keep the kids in cheap contracts for when we might actually contend.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

what kids? The only one who might have a year burned off is Kadri. And if he’s good enough to make the team, then he should play.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Kadri

That’s the one that matters. If he is going to be an impact player we want him to have the biggest impact possible while on his ELC because it lets Burke fill out the rest of the team with better players.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If Kadri is good enough, he should play. This isn’t MLB, where you have to worry about arbitration very much. Even if he plays next year, his deal won’t end until 2013. The Leafs have 3 players signed past that season. If, by 2014, Kadri is good enough to demand a large contract, then I still don’t see a major problem. Then you’ve got a solid player with 3 years of NHL experience.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like the Penguins last year. They were able to have a much stronger team because Evgeni Malkin was still on his last deal.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand what you’re saying, but if Kadri is good enough to play, you can’t worry about burning a year off his contract.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

so you send him back to the OHL for another season? Doesn’t make much sense.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

AHL

He’d be old enough next year to play at least a bit with the Marlies.

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

if he plays in the AHL, he still burns a year of his contract. Kadri signed his deal but didn’t get into 10 games, so his ELC got extended. However, if he plays in the AHL next year, I believe it counts as year one of his contract.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

next year he playes with the Marlies because he is too old for the CHL
he will get a chance to match up against men and mature his game before stepping into the bigs

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, the only player whos contract would have a year burnt off would be Kadri. Stalberg, Bozak, Hanson, Gunnarson, etc. have all used up a year already.

by birky on Feb 10, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Not about Burke

Question was put to Mirtle above, I agree. My opinion. Do think a centre with size is impotant. And very difficult to find.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Size – but at the bottom end.
I’m talking a big, skilled centre.
I always come back to Getzlaff as the example

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

oh well

good luck finding those… there aren’t very many guys with a game like Getzlaf, Thornton, etc.

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by Steve Burtch on Feb 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, other than the Staals and Vinny I cant really think of too many other power forward scoring centers

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

not even about being a PWF

Just gotta be able to endure the physical stress of being a top line centre and put up the numbers – Perfect example was Sundin.

If you’re small, and can average 78 games/season (i’ll give you sick 4 days/season) and put up a PPG, that works for me too.

Don’t see a player like that on the Leafs other than maybe Bozak. At this point I dunno – I’m not sure if he can handle a full 82 games (78 with sick credits) or put up a PPG. I dunno, not a large enough body of work to estimate.

The size matters part just happens to help with durability.

Interesting to see how teams tend to obtain their first line centres.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

"Don’t see a player like that on the Leafs other than maybe Bozak"

Or in their system, for that matter other than Kadri.

Here’s hoping Kadri is the real deal.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No kiddin’ but…

Don’t bother looking or trying?

see post below. Size helps with the durability, and we have enough -very skilled – but undersized centres. They need to be durable and put up a point per game. I’ll conceded it doesn’t matter how big they are, as long as they can endure a full NHL season, and put up the numbers to match.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

not even about being a PWF

Just gotta be able to endure the physical stress of being a top line centre and put up the numbers – Perfect example was Sundin.

If you’re small, and can average 78 games/season (i’ll give you sick 4 days/season) and put up a PPG, that works for me too.

Don’t see a player like that on the Leafs other than maybe Bozak. At this point I dunno – I’m not sure if he can handle a full 82 games (78 with sick credits) or put up a PPG. I dunno, not a large enough body of work to estimate.

The size matters part just happens to help with durability.

Interesting to see how teams tend to obtain their first line centres.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Happier?

(I did mean to, dropped the ball for some reason)

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes :)

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

“Don’t see a player like that on the Leafs other than maybe Bozak”

Or in their system, for that matter other than Kadri.

Here’s hoping Kadri is the real deal.

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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

I just want to know what kind of shampoo Mickey Grabs uses. Get on that, Mirtle.

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by Wrap Around Curl on Feb 10, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

And who is Schenn’s barber and tailor.

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by Archimedies on Feb 10, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Questions guys.

by Love, Leeman on Feb 10, 2010 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

Aww dammit, I hope I’m NOT too out of line here. What a brutal start. Now no one’s gonna take it seriously. Sorry Kabby. I tried.

by general borschevsky on Feb 10, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously general – god bless you. kabby for life.

we’ve seen all of 4 games from phaneuf and 30 from komisarek, but everyone’s already set to toss kabby aside for whatever we can get for him. where’s the fucking loyalty is right.

and who gives a shit about QCMP and GA/60 minute when he’s our leading fucking scorer and he’s only making $4.25M a year?? the hole that will be left if he goes will not be filled by a $4.25M 2nd line forward.

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by daoust on Feb 10, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

My reasons for wanting to trade Kaberle

1. We have too much money tied up on the D. Blame Burke (mostly) for this, but he obviously did it for a reason, so take that for what you will. But too much means one of the big contracts has to go, and Kaberle is the obvious answer because of #2.
2. He fetches us the best return. We are a rebuilding team, and need players in their prime to help us by the time we’re reading to win. Kaberle can help us get those pieces. To me, it’s simple. If you aren’t being built around, you are expendable. Kaberle will not be the main piece by the time we’re ready to win it all, but…..
3. Who’s to say we can’t trade Kaberle for next year, then resign him when he’s UFA? At that time Beauchemin will only have one more year left (and Finger too), meaning they could be moved themselves if necessary, freeing up some cash to resign Kaberle (at a decent price of course), allowing him to be an integral additional piece if we are getting close to putting a contender together.

Listen, Kaberle is great. Quality player and person. But to me, if you aren’t the vital piece that’s going to play a role on this team in 4-5+ years, then why not ship them out to get someone who will be (be that prospects, young players or picks).

by lordosis on Feb 10, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it

Should make it a fanpost :)

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheers PPP. I was actually really nervous about posting this ‘cause I really like Mirtle and everyone here and I realize I’m flying off the handle a bit.

If Kaberle gets traded I hope it’s for a King’s Ransom, but I’d rather see him stay.

by general borschevsky on Feb 10, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem

You can always edit it before making it a FanPost

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by PPP on Feb 10, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

flying off the handle is good sometimes. kabby’s earned that kind of passion from at least a few of us.

(apologies as well if i get carried away with my kabby defence sometimes. but he’s the only leaf i really have any sort of emotional attachment to now, i’m gonna be sad when he’s gone.)

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by daoust on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote approx. 4,000 words about Ian White. How do you think I feel right now?

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

How about

if we all make a solemn pact not to bash Kaberle when he gets traded…

I HATE it when fans of other teams do that (I am looking at you Habs/Sens)

We loved him while he was here, we shouldn’t hate him for being traded away from where he wants to be.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 11, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

General, nicely argued. Rec’d.

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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

As someone who has a penchant for rants like this, I can’t let this not go green. Well said, general.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 10, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Why compare Kaberle’s deal to Finger’s at all? If it looks good in comparison to one of the worst contracts in the league, it must be one of the best?

Beauchemin’s been logging the heaviest load all year, way more so than Kaberle, and still has better stats in the GA department than a guy who isn’t at all? They’ve removed Kaberle almost entirely from the PK and with good reason.

Kaberle’s Time On Ice last 8 games: 22:33, 21:44, 21:31, 19:18, 20:35, 15:20, 17:48, 20:53. I only see two games below 19 minutes.
K, well here I call “fun with end points” because if we look at the last 13 games, there are seven games at 19:17 or lower. Not great for a $4.25-million man.

They’ve got Phaneuf in here to generate the offence now, and if the Leafs want to improve up front, they’re going to have to dedicate less salary to the blueline. Kaberle’s an asset that’s going to get you some return, either now or in the summer. Moving him, depending on the return obviously, likely makes this team better.

How else will you improve up front if you don’t trade anyone and there’s little to sign in free agency?

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by James Mirtle on Feb 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheers

I still think the prolonged injury to Komisarek coupled with Schenn’s early struggles and Finger’s poor play meant that Wilson had to lean on Kaberle more then the GM had originally intended.

I’m not so sure that Phaneuf is here to “generate” the offence so much as complete it. He doesn’t generate many assists on the powerplay (career high in ’08 23, this season 8) but he does have a cannon for a shot, 5 PP goals this season, 16 in his rookie year, and 75 goals overall in less then 5 seasons is impressive. Meanwhile Kaberle (21 PPA this season, career high 45 in ’06) is one of the best set up men in the league. Seems like they would both benefit by playing together.

By the way, I wonder if anyone noticed that Kaberle’s last assist – on Kessel’s powerplay goal against the Sharks in the second period Monday – was the 40th of his season and the 400th of his career. I didn’t realize that until just now.

by general borschevsky on Feb 11, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Phaneuf’s an elite producer on the power play (or at least he has been until this season).

What they’ll really need to do is replace what White did if Kaberle’s moved.

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by James Mirtle on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely Unrelated..

but while we’re on the topic of questions I have one for anyone out there who knows the answer. What do the numbers on the Leafs licence plates mean?
If you haven’t seen them they are generally something like: 98TO21 with a maple leafs logo beside

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by AkiSchennberg on Feb 10, 2010 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

My guesstimate

The middle two letters deal with the personalization of the licence plate. TO = leafs, LN = loon, can’t remember others. They are always in the middle, so the numbers surrounding it are probably just the order they are handed out in increments. 98TO20 was probably given the person before the one you cite.

by lordosis on Feb 10, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s right.

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by PPP on Feb 11, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the first 2 numbers are the year the plate was handed out? I’ve seen a ton of these before. (i.e. the first Leafs plate given out for 2010 would be 10TO01, im guessing)

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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 11, 2010 6:20 AM EST up reply actions  

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