Must Be Something in the Hot Chocolate
by SkinnyFish on Feb 19, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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I don't KNOW what it is about Switzerland, but somehow they have Team Canada's number when it comes to International hockey. Even though the game ended with a shootout win for Canada, that was not a win you'll be seeing celebrated today, and one that could have easily gone the other way.
Canada was supposed to roll over Switzerland; a team with only 2 NHL players in Mark Streit and Jonas Hiller. The latter, and his 45 saves, perhaps being the sole reason the Swiss were even in the game. Last night's game does not bode well for Canada with the USA up next on Sunday, and a potential meeting with Russia, Sweden, or the Czech Republic in the medal round.
Also picking up a win last night, but the full three points, was team USA as they beat Norway 6 -1. The scoring was started by Toronto's own Phil Kessel on an absolutely wicked wrist shot. Kessel later added an assist and finished a +3 on the night. Atta boy Phil.
With their win's last night, both Canada and the US are guaranteed a spot in the medal round, meaning Sunday's game is all about securing the higher seed. Although knowing the other teams who will be in said medal round, there will be no such thing as an easy path for either.
Follow me after the jump for some linkage:
Canada v. Switzerland game recap [MLHS]
Taking a cautious look at Canada as the Olympic favorites [Black Dog Hates Skunks]
Even with a major shot advantage, the odds of winning weren't all that much in Canada's favor [Behind the Net]
Introducing to you, the Japadog. I wants one. [Fourth Place Medal]
Sad news today as Summit Series hero and former Maple Leaf Paul Henderson has been diagnosed with cancer [Globe and Mail]
Taking a look at the 2006 vs. 2010 Canadian Olympic teams [Mirtle]
With last night's scare over, focus shifts to Sunday's USA v. Canada game [Yahoo Sports]
Face, meet palm. Palm, face. [Kukla's Korner]
Taking a look at what the NHL needs to do for the 2014 Games in Sochi [Sports Illustrated]
A neat story of how two families were former Olympic foes, and now Olympic teammates [NHL]
If you don't know what the Pro Stars were, LD wishes to educate you with her YouTube Yoinkage [WWoLD]
Morning Additions
A closer look at Team USA Hockey [Blueshirt Banter]
Slovakia upsets Russia 2-1 in a shootout [CTVO]
Taking a look at Team Canada's shootout percentages [Mirtle]
Team Canada's not looking so hot [Truth and Rumors]
Hockey announcer quotes from the Olympics [Puck the Media]
This doesn't concern Maple Leaf fans at all [The Hockey Writers]
There are no secrets in Olympics hockey [Vintage Leaf Memories]
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Just like the Swiss gives Canada fits, it seems that Slovakia has Russia’s number too, beating the Russians 2-1 in a shootout.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 19, 2010 7:16 AM EST reply actions
My thoughts on the game:
First off, HUGE props to the Swiss for playing a fantastic game. That was maybe the hardest working effort I have ever seen in a hockey game. Hiller had one of the best nights of his career.
That said, Canada was sloppy. The effort was there, for the most part, but there were far too many poor passes and turnovers. Drew Doughty had an especially bad night. Canada needs to get more traffic in front of the net, something they didn’t do so well last night. If you get 12 minutes of PP, this team should score at least 3 goals. No excuses.
I hope this is their wake-up game for the tournament.
Yup
all credit to the Swiss
but I’m still choking on rage here
they’re calling Crosby the hero of last night’s game, which makes me even angrier, where the eff was he all game? no where, he was doing his best to channel Kaberle last night… I’ve never seen anyone so eager and quick to dump the puck back to the point, I’m sure even the blueliners were confused by the amount of times their forwards were passing the puck to them in the offensive zone
I’m also hearing that Crosby and Heatley aren’t happy with their minutes? What the eff is this? When did Team Canada turn into a bunch of glorified prina donnas? Shut the hell up and play the game, oh and don’t forget to shoot.
Also, while Brodeur was pretty solid all night, that first goal? Yeah, he should’ve had that.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 19, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yes Brodeur should have had that… but you gotta admit, it was a decent snipe off the far post.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 19, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
It was probably the best shot of that Swiss players career. Off the far post and in, off a 2-on-1 break. Not really blaming Brodeur on that one.
Crosby is no hero, and the verbal BJ’s he gets, are way over the top. Shouldn’t take a 2nd round s/o against the Swiss to win. He had a few chances in regulation and tried to be pretty – and again in the first round of the s/o. Hiller played great in the third, which was the only period Canada dominated the Swiss the way they should.
Also not feeling Babcock’s line shuffling all night. Especially with the D. I understand tweeks up front to get the offence going, but otherwise, let’s have some consistency.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t get the Crosby-bashing. He was dangerous most of the night. Set-up some nice chances and drove the net hard.
The problem seemed to be on the back-end. The Candian D weren’t making a good first pass and had trouble clearning the zone. Too often they were weak on the puck when trying to move it up the wall and it led to a whack of turnovers.
That said, Canada outshot the Swiss 47- 23 (including 18-3 in the third) and likely out-chanced them by a 3:1 margin. Switzerland scored on a perfectly placed shot and a lucky bounce. At the other end Hillier stood on his head.
Full credit to the Swiss who played text-book hockey in all three zones – the ran a beauty of a forecheck, clogged the neutral zone and obstructed the hell out the Canadians in the Swiss end. There was so much obstruction in looked like a pre-lockout game to me – Canada likely could have had three or four more power-play chances.
I think if this game were re-played, Canada wins it in regulation 8 times out of 10, but as we all know, in a short tournament one hot goalie, one unlucky bounce can change everything.
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by mf37 on Feb 19, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought for sure the Swiss would tire out and start making mistakes after the first 20 minutes like the Norwegians did. Maybe start giving up turnovers, get out of lanes, giving up odd-man rushes… but it didn’t happen.
Good on the Swiss for not getting bowled over by the Juggarnaut that is Team Canada’s talent.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 19, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Canada had little to no lateral motion in its offense. Their forwards tried to snipe a puck past Jonas Hiller instead of setting up anything across the crease.
Shots are shots and chances are chances but from what I watched last night I wouldn’t say Canada’s shots or chances were dangerous. From the middle of the second on Switzerland forechecked like Canada shot their dog and set the tempo of the play.
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Canada simply played
a horrible team game from the defence out.
I saw zero chemistry out there last night… and what was with the so-called pretty passing plays on the PP?
Just get to the front of the net and shoot, shoot, shoot. Not enough shots (yes they shot 47 times, but they didn’t take enough shots on the PP – and a lot of those shots Hiller could see and was plucking them out of the air with out any problems.)
Hopefully this puts enough scare into them to bring it up a notch.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I love that Canada had 47 shots and people are saying they didn’t shoot enough.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
on the power play
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Are detailed game stats available for these matches?
Would love to know blocked shots/missed shots, especially on the PP. The Swiss seemed to clog up the shooting lanes…
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
That’s part of the problem.
It is the PP’s job to create some separation and work the penalty killers out of position so they can get shots on goal.
I have no idea if anyone keeps those stats.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
And there’s the issue: did the PP struggle or were the Swiss that good on the PK? Likely a bit of both, would love to have some data to have a more informed opinion.
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I would say
both… but an amazing PP has to trump an amazing penalty kill – you would think.
Swiss PK was very good, Canada’s PP was not very.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
What’s an effective PP? Best in the NHL runs at 25% or 1 in 4.
And PK? Best in the NHL kills off 87% or nearly 9 out of 10.
I think a good PK will trump a PP.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Best PP in the NHL
and best for an all star Olympic team should be different.
Best for an NHL PK and best for a Swiss team you think would be worse.
Probably all comes down to time together in this case.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Be interesting to know how much practise time the Swiss had pre-tournament compared to Canada.
It’s no surprise that PPs are struggling throughout the tournament. Russia has a ridiculous amount of talent on their PP1, yet it was Mozrov on PP2 that scored their only goall last night.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Isn’t something like half the swiss team from one team in a Euro league? Might have misheard that… but if so – damn
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Mirtle was commenting that the Swiss league has the highest restriction on imports and is really developing talent.
I don’t want to put words in his mouth, but I think he said in 10 or so year, Switzerland could be on par with Canada/ Russia in men’s hockey.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
He was saying that in 10 years, they could overtake the Czech and Slovaks.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Thanks. Glad I put the caveat in there.
The Swiss played a great game last night. The Slovaks dumped Russia, if it weren’t for a post and a cross bar the Germans could have taken Sweden. I think this tournament is really wide-open.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Team Canada’s PP rate=25%
That would rank them #1 in the NHL.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Canada played the powerplay the same way the Leafs do. The forwards hang around the perimeter while the offensive flow is controlled by the point. Switzerland was very aggressive, playing a large box on PK, forcing the point-men to turn over the puck. Canada should have responded by cycling the puck down low and driving towards the net.
one or two shots on a 2 min power play is simply not acceptable for Team Candada
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
lol
mistyped my own country’s name… I need to stop drinking so much the night of a hockey game…
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I saw opportunity for a 60 shot game from Canada, and that type of workload I don’t think any goalie could sustain.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on the forecheck – the Swiss were textbook on that one.
They also were lucky not to spend a lot more time in the penalty box. Never mind the knee on Getzlaf (or was it Perry?) or the high-stick on Crosby, the amount of obstruction was pre-lockout. I was stunned at how much hooking, holding and interference the refs let them get away with.
As for the offense, when Canada did try to go cross-ice, the Swiss did a nice job of jamming up the middle and keeping Canada on the perimeter. Hillier made at least four or five game changing saves – two after losing his stick in the third (Perry and Getzlaf). The guy played an amazing game and was the difference last night.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Switzerland forced Canada to play perimeter hockey.
Switzerland.
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Yup. The Swiss played a text book game of good, defensive physical hockey. Full credit to them.
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That’s on Canada though. You can’t let Switzerland dictate how the game will be played.
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100% agree.
I hope the result of this is Canada comes out a lot harder against the states… but I hope they don’t take silly penalties because they are angry.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s be clear.
Canada outshot the Swiss by 2 to 1.
Canada outchanced the Swiss by 3 to 1.
The Swiss needed a lucky bounce to tie the game.
Switzerland had a red-hot goalie who made several ridiculous game changing saves (Hililer said in the post-game it was the best game he has ever played).
This is not Russia losing to the Slovaks. This is what happens in a short tourney when you run into a trappng team with an outstanding goalie and an officiating crew who are content to let obstruction go.
I may be alone on this, but I didn’t think Canada played that bad.
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Agree
Not the best way to win but Chemmy, you’re a soccer fan, think of the random times a goalie plays a blinder against Manchester United and they lose or draw despite creating buckets of chances. Doesn’t change the fact that they are one of the best teams. Sometimes you run into a hot goalie. The score could easily have been 6/7-2.
/vomit.
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Hiller played great, but keep in mind, a lot of the shots on him were weak ass attempts… remember Roloson stopped 60+ shots against the Leafs once but even he admitted that almost none of them were even remotely good shots
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 19, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Hiller said it was his best game ever.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
He played a very good game on a huge stage for his country.
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I don’t think that was a lucky bounce. Marleau was looking the wrong way but had the puck gone around his skate the Swiss player wasn’t tied up.
Watch the replay, the Swiss guy who the pass was going to is alone and he actually goes through the full tap in motion unobstructed.
That’s a goal if it goes past Marleau.
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There’s actually only one “if” and the fact that the puck hit Marleau and went in makes it easy to call it a lucky bounce.
The issue is that Marleau is looking the wrong way and still doesn’t tie his man up on the edge of the crease.
The designed play was a cross crease tap in. The pass was on target, the shooter was unrestrained. Watch the replay. The only way that play fails is if the puck hits Marleau and deflects away from the net.
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If the puck makes it through and if the player gets his stick on it and if the re-direct goes on net and if Broduer doesn’t get across…suddenly your aunt is your uncle.
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I have many times. Still many variables at play there.
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I don’t think so. Switzerland started a set play and Patrick Marleau blew his coverage on the most important man leading to a goal.
That it went off Marleau’s skate instead of the waiting Swiss stick doesn’t make it a lucky bounce.
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It remains a bounce that ends up in Canada’s net.
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Fortune favors the bold.
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Oooh, Idioms!
A woman’s love is like the morning dew, it’s just as apt to settle on a horse turd as it is on a rose.
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When a young man was boasting in the theatre and saying, I am wise, for I have conversed with many wise men; Epictetus said, I also have conversed with many rich men, but I am not rich.
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watching the replay
if I’m going to fault anybody, it’s going to be Boyle.
Had his back to the puck, standing directly in front of Brodeur, and right beside his man. not tying him up or anything. Just standing there.
Were he not there, no way that’s a goal. Play was telegraphed, and Broduer would have read it and reacted.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 19, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Good analysis, but it really needs an idiom, maxim or aphorism if it’s going to compete for the gold.
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a drop in the bucket is a piece of cake because a house divided against itself cannot stand even if a leopard can’t change his spots.
close, but no cigar?
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by blurr1974 on Feb 19, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
He said that to scare us… and it did…
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
You’re team fucking Canada. You’re gold medal favorites playing at home. It doesn’t matter if Switzerland high sticked Crosby or there was the trap.
Want to win gold? Go set the tone. Want to win gold? Make Switzerland play your game.
I saw Canada play a gutless game last night while Switzerland’s players hit everything that moved and Jonas Hiller showed the East coast why Anaheim was desperate to move Giguere’s contract.
Switzerland owned the second and third periods and played well in OT. If they had a single NHL offensive threat that would have been terrible news for Team Canada.
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yup – and I hope they are pissed off at themselves for that embarrassment last night
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Switzerland owned the second and third periods and played well in OT
Switzerland was outshot 18-3 in the third.
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Again, I didn’t see any dangerous chances except in a quick flurry ended by Hiller making that jaw dropping glove save.
Think about Jason Blake. He takes 10 shots a game from the boards. Are any of those dangerous?
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I’m not going to enumerate the chances, but Canada had at least six or seven good scoring opportunities in the third. Two sure goals were taken away in one flurry by Hillier. Nash drove the net, Crosby drove the net.
It wasn’t a great game by Canada, but it wasn’t like they shit the bed either.
In 2002, Canada opened the Olympics by getting spanked by Sweden….
I wonder what will happen when (if?) the Leafs ever become an elite team. I think every loss, hell every close win, might get dissected like this.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
We are already doing that
and they are not even close to being an elite team!!
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Until
the Toronto Maple Leafs become Team Canada, you’re comparing apples to oranges
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 19, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Just making an observation about what might happen. Not making any comparisons.
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(not directed at you in particular, more of a general Canadian “you”)
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I thought Canada was playing a really entitled game. They feel like the tournament owes them wins. Every time they created a chance (and there was no shortage of that), they chose to try something impressive-looking instead of something dangerous. I hope this game was enough to shake off that attitude, but I have my doubts. I would’ve thought the first goal against would’ve been enough too.
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by puckurgently on Feb 19, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope
Lemaire and the two cocks (Bab and Hitch) skate the shit out of these guys today.
You want to play like midget AA, you will be treated like midget AA – back to basics.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Ruff
just needs to stop that sad-assed comb over.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
150 coaches have gone bald in the NHL since Lindy Ruff started losing his.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
Coach longevity stat mixed with humour. I like that.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I want Babcock to bring a bear carcass into the locker room just to get in their heads.
“I told this thing not to take victory for granted, and it didn’t listen. It was a lot harder to kill than any of you would be.”
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by puckurgently on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
that’s a reflection of leadership.
Are the coaches strong enough to control the egos in that room? Is Niedermayer vocal enough? Is he the right guy to captain the team?
The talent level isn’t in question. It’s all mental/attitude…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I get that :D
No, I fully agree with you. I was incredibly frustrated with the attitude of the players yesterday – it seemed to me like they were phoning it in. Sure, it’s an early game and you can win it without much effort, but that’s not how you should be playing. They should be running these games, not barely winning them.
Canada had little to no lateral motion in its offense. Their forwards tried to snipe a puck past Jonas Hiller instead of setting up anything across the crease.
Crosby tried to go cross crease a few times and but it didnt work, and now is being ripped apart by most it seems for being too ‘fancy’. I thought Sid was dangerous and should be playing more out there.
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 19, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Simply put – Crosby was too pretty on too many chances, whether it was passing when he should of shot or dekeing when he just needed to shoot. This can be said for many of the Canadian players. I don’t agree with the accolades of calling Crosby a hero for Team Canada – not yet anyways. And I’ve heard it a lot this morning.
I agree with this: “There was so much obstruction in looked like a pre-lockout game to me – Canada likely could have had three or four more power-play chances.”
Also the Swiss did play text-book hockey throughout. Canada didn’t.
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
i think we are being wayyyy too hard on canada. seriously, the states won 3-1, we won 3-2. Russia LOST last night. The swiss beat us 4 years ago with the exact same type of game. Clog up the neutral zone, forecheck hard as fuck and hope your goaltender steals the show.
The swiss had some good chances and brodeur had to make some good saves, but Canada was all over them for the most part putting alot of rubber on net and driving the net hard a few times. Maybe not as much as we would like to see, but its not like they totally shyed away from the net either.
Hiller saved their asses during regulation, Brodeur saved ours in the shootout. It was an exciting game and I cant wait for sunday
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 19, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Team Canada had a really weak 2nd period. Shots were 10-9 and the Swiss scored twice. Though one was a fluke.
The Swiss played a more intense and focused game than Canada. The sheer skill of Canada means, yeah, even if Canada plays half-assed they’re still going to outshoot the Swiss. They have that much talent.
I expect them to pick their game up, playing against a more talented opponent.
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is bang-on. The defense looked a bit of a mess – Doughty was trying to do it all by himself, and Keith looked intimidated, Neidermayer continued playing like he has in Anaheim all night. But still, there were some golden chances that Hiller stoned them on.
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by Karina on Feb 19, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not to defend them, but I think this whole 13 forwards / 7 defence thing is screwing with people’s rhythms.
It’s hard enough for these guys to develop instant chemistry when
a) most of them don’t play together and are feeling each other out
b) Babcock is changing the lines constantly to get all 13 involved.
I actually think that’s a big reason why the san Jose line and the Getzlaf/Perry line looked the most dangerous last night; everyone else was struggling with chemistry issues, but these guys all know what one another wants to do.
That said, shut up Heatley and Crosby.
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Wow, I can’t believe the nerve of these guys. Really? Crosby, wanting more ice time, after his shitty game? I can kinda understand Heatley expecting more time, since he is actually playing well with his line, but that is no reason to openly say that you should have more ice time, not in the olympics…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 19, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone got a quote or source on this more ice-time stuff?
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Exactly
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
the panel
in the post-game discussion, said that Heatley wasn’t happy with his ice-time in the first game, and that Crosby looks very unhappy in regards to how much time he spent on the bench last night
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 19, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
So, bullshit commentator stuff – ‘Crosby looks unhappy’
They were getting pressured by the Swiss, of course he is unhappy… fucking dumb to go off what the ‘esteemed’ panel says a player is thinking.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
still, you can’t blame him for things that an observer thought he was thinkig/feeling – that’s just weak sauce
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
true but 95% of my anger towards him last night was the fact that he played like shit
on the other hand, 95% of my anger towards Heatley stems from him being a whiny little bitch
I should’ve specified
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 19, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Would love a first party quote. Otherwise, I’m not going to weigh in on this one.
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There’s literally no chance Crosby is dumb enough to have said “CROSBY WANT ICE TIME” to anyone.
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than it is a non issue – sensationalism at its best
Please provide the facts – I am fully capable of drawing my own opinions from them.
I fucking hate the news/sports media for trying to impose opinions on their viewership.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I want guys frustrated and wanting more time. They should be pissed off. If there are players that don’t think that they can make the difference then they shouldn’t be on this team.
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Didn't Crosby
have the most time as a forward with around 19 minutes?
That’s a lot
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
19:50, yeah.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but he also sat a couple of PPs right?
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Isn’t Crosby considered one of the three best hockey players in the world currently?
if he can play 22-25 minutes a night, without missing a step, let him.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 19, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. The Swiss played very well, better and better as the game went on. Very well coached team. I was thinking that’s exactly how I want the Leafs to play. Canada was really sloppy in the 2nd half. If I had to single one guy out for poor play it’s Pronger. And Heatley seemed less interested after he took that shot off the arm.
by general borschevsky on Feb 19, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Iggy and seabrook also spent a good amount of time on the bench after getting bumped
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 19, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Iginla ended up being the 13th skater for the last 10 minutes as Babcock put Toews up with Nash and Crosby, and played Bergeron – Morrow – Richards as the 4th.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
The defense was really sloppy all game with their passing. Lots of guys up front couldn’t seem to corral the puck. No one drove hard to the net. I’m not going put the blame on Crosby. That kid had someone draped all over him every time he touched the puck. I’ve been really un-impressed with Getzlaf so far. He’s been a turnover machine.
A Canada-Switzerland rivalry feels so unnatural. It’s the friendliest country vs the neutralest country. Our battlecry is “Good luck, eh!” and the thunderous response is “Perhaps”.
Can it before I drive this truculence through your faceulence and put you in an ambulance.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
eh
while Switzerland was technically neutral in the Second World War, they did profit immensely playing off both sides
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 19, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Never know where those neutrals stand. Well, currently we do. 4 points.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
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I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Good to see Phil the Thrill
doing so well. Though it’s going to be weird cheering against him on Sunday…
Funny, it’s going to be weird to be cheering for him. Sort of. As long as he’s scoring, though, I think I’ll get over it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Why exactly do you dislike Kessel again? Boston media was vocal about not wanting him even before he left.
He got traded and got you a lottery pick and another first rounder. What are you upset at him for?
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It’s too fun to boo him.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are paying Milan Lucic $4M+ for the next three years.
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Burn!
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 19, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
And Mark Savard $4M for the next seven. Chiarelli, if only you were perfect.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ya Marc Savard’s contract is amazing, very similar to Kaberle’s. (except without a NTC I believe…could be wrong there)
Should have listened to Kessel’s texts Savard! We’d have given you more!
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 19, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Chiarelli’s a retard. Savard wouldn’t play anywhere else, he likes Boston. That has nothing to do with Chiarelli.
Lucic’s contract looks terrible and paying your second center Krejci $3.75M looks stupid right now too. They have 16 goals combined.
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Probably counting on not having to pay Cam Fowler much.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
corney is warped a bit.
He’s still a little bitter at Kessel. I’m all for cheering for him, heck, I cheer for him as a Leaf. He’s a good guy that didn’t want to be in Boston. He’s a one-way player/scorer that all fans eventually give up on (except Brett Hull…fans loved him).
Give Luc some time. He’ll earn his pay. The next beat-down of Komasarek will prove worth $1M easy. Luc has some growing to do, that’s what the B’s are paying for. They’re counting on his grit being worth the $4M, just not right now.
You guys have any interest in Chara when he is a UFA after 2011? What’ll you pay him?
Personally I’d have no interest in Chara… at the salary he’ll be commanding
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gustavsson will play against Belarus tonight, tries to avoid the Salo destiny…
I don't remember you looking any better. But then again, I don't remember you.
Woooooooo Monstarrrrrrrr
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 19, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Your Quote
I don’t KNOW what it is about Switzerland, but somehow they have Team Canada’s number when it comes to International hockey.
And my counter quote:
Canadian record against Switzerland in Olympics and World Championships games is 29-2-1, with 221 goals for Canada and only 36 against.
Yah Skinny, they own us.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Yup. Looks like it.
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The Swiss are ranked 6th in the world. It’s not like they’re Italy or Great Britain.
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HEY NOW
There have been huge waves in the italian hockey program!
Yes I am kidding.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
That’s not fair. Italy are way better than us.
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by article1 on Feb 19, 2010 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe
if you would have said “Looks like they have had Canada’s number the past two Olympics” than it would have actually been a valid point… perspective, my friend, perspective.
Don’t fall into the mainstream media’s trap of spin – this is a blog for goodness sake!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
For What It's Worth...
“Even though the game ended with a shootout win for Canada, that was not a win you’ll be seeing celebrated today, and one that could have easily gone the other way.”
Believe it or not, downtown Vancouver was celebrating like yesterday’s win was in the gold medal game. It was actually surreal, yet mildly amusing. I mean, PEOPLE WERE GOING NUTS. Because we beat Swizerland! In a shootout!
Did anyone set any cars on fire?
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by puckurgently on Feb 19, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
As a Leaf fan, I most know who’s in charge of planning the parade.
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It’s Vancouver
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Canada wins a real game and the city will burn! I can’t wait!
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by Karina on Feb 19, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Winning an intense game is a wonderful thing.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
Canadians are celebrating anything and everything these two weeks.
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I don’t blame them, I bet it’s a rocking good time. I think one of my co-workers is out in Vancouver this week.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 19, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a Leafs fan
Winning an intensegame is awonderfulrare thing of beauty.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Shoot!
Interesting look at Sidney Crosby and Maguire’s comment that he needs to shoot more.
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just more proof
of Pierre’s asshat-ery
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Can we all agree that yelling “SHOOT” at Kaberle should be mandatory during the Leafs PP?
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here’s what I don’t get. He knows he will be traded this summer. Why not waive it now and have more control over what team he will go to?
because he’s an asshole
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He believes he’s part of the solution.
by general borschevsky on Feb 19, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Six points on the power play in the past six weeks.
Since 1/1
Total: 20GP 3G 8A 11Pts -4
So for a quarter of the season he’s produced at around a 45pt pace. He’s a minus player with even worse splits if you look at behind the net. He needs to get traded while he still has value on the market.
Forget Carter and a 1st for Kaberle, if we could have kept one of our firsts in the Kessel deal by dealing Kaberle that would have been enormous.
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That’s a pretty solid point about Kaberle and the Kessel deal that wasn’t.
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
If that trade had have gone through at the draft, it would have been our ’09 draft pick that got traded, ergo we would not have Kadri. We probably would have been just as bad this year, so our ’10 pick would have been in line for Hall.
Our ’11 pick probably projects the same as it does now; out of the lottery, hopefully a mid-round pick.
If Kaberle is traded to Boston, we can’t trade him in the next calendar year and recover more than just Phil Kessel for him. I’m not disagreeing that trading Kaberle might be the right move, but what would you rather have?
Kessel, Taylor Hall, 2010 31st pick and 2011 first rounder (say its 12th for arguments’ sake)
OR
Kessel, Kadri, and Kaberle
You have Kessel either way, I think Kadri’s better than Hall, and Kaberle probably recoups a 1st and a prospect (the 1st would probably be worse than ours, but the prospect likely projects better than an early second rounder).
I know which one I’d want.
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I think Hall will be better than Kadri, but it’s all speculation and I love having Kadri on my team.
If we can get a 1st round pick for Kaberle, that would be great
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri’s better than Hall?
I like Kadri and all but I’d take Hall and our 2011 1st in a second over Kadri and Kaberle.
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I have him at only -3 since Jan 1st. and 11 points in 20 games isn’t too shabby and if that’s as bad as it gets, if that’s what you call a slump, I’ll take it.
Only a -1 since December 1st. That’s 36 games, nearly half the season playing for the worst team in the Eastern Conference, at nearly even plus/minus. HUGE DEFENSIVE LIABILITY.
Yet to go 4 consecutive games without recording a point this season.
Dion is a -3 and has 11 points since December 1st. Hey that’s weird… same stats as Kaberle yet over 14 additional games. Good thing nobody expects him to lead the offence from the blueline.
If you wanna talk about players not living up to expectations, how about Beauchemin… minus 9 in the last 13 games since Jan 15th. That’s not what I’m expecting from a defensive specialist, even if he is taking on the hardest competition.
by general borschevsky on Feb 19, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Beauchemin hasn’t been very consistent in Toronto… he has stretches where he looks like a good shut down defenseman, and then lapses where he makes some really bone headed plays.
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by Karina on Feb 19, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle has trade value in excess of his worth to our team.
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Entirely theoretical supposition. Not based on fact. Impossible to disprove. Could be true about anyone.
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by general borschevsky on Feb 19, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Biggest pet peeve.
In the 1st period – Crosby was one-on-one against Hiller. Crosby iss around the the faceoff dot to Hiller’s stick side. Crosby tried to deke the shit outta Hiller, but he tried to many moves, wasted time, was checked by Swiss defender, and ends up getting a weak back-hand opportunity that hits the side of the net.
Bury it. Don’t give the goaler any time to set up and read you. Pick a corner and shoot it there as hard as you can. This is how I see Crosby play with Pitt. Didn’t feel he was bringing the same game. He like most the team played as if the goals would eventually come. Shots were 10-9 in the 2nd period when the Swiss tied it up.
The better bury their chances against the USA
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
easy for us to say, im sure sid knows better than any of us. In the heat of the moment, sometimes you dont make the right decision. Id be more worried if he wasnt creating chances at all, im sure he will start to bury.
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 19, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I like to think he will bury his chances too as the games get more important… Sidney is a super intense player, the bigger the challenge the bigger his game, i hope.
Also, players were draped all over him all game. All game – so I’ll give him that.
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I must also admit I am biased. I’ve played goal for 21 years, and if I’m net for Canada in that game, I’m thinking to myself “Just score a couple of goals already, I don’t care how it goes in, just put it in the net.”
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Checked the IIHF site.
The Swiss team has NOT all come from the same team in Europe. Belarus is, though. Same with Latvia.
Behind the Net: Canada unlucky
Say what you want about Canada’s inability to score yesterday – they certainly got a lot of good scoring chances. Canada took 61 shots in total, including 30 shots inside the most dangerous zone on the ice, between the dots and below the top of the faceoff circle
Full report here.
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2nd period was worrisome…
They can’t let another 20 minutes like that creep into the tournament.
and they didn’t do much with all their scoring chances.
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 19, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sweden
got a scare. Was leading 3-0 when Belarus scored 2 to make it close. Also Belarus had a few other near misses on tying the game.
Krusty scored with about 10 seconds left to salt away a 4-2 win.
Jonas looked really shaky – must have been very nervous cause he looked worse in that game than most of his games in Toronto.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions
he’s had games like that in Toronto. He lets out those big rebounds a lot.
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by Karina on Feb 19, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
But he doesn’t normally flop around like a fish out of water.. i felt embarrassed for him
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 19, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Can I just say this?
I know you Leaf fans really, really, really want the Monster to be the next coming and all, but I just have not seen it yet. It seems like many of you are putting aside your usual objectivity to see only the good in this guy. Granted, it was easy to see when you had Vesa that the back up was much better, but how good is this guy, really? More importantly, how long will the Leafs give him to develop. I give him one full season.
bt
Monster has something that the leafs havnt seen in a goalie with such raw athletic ability since Potvin. He needs a lot of polish to his game but he has the potential to be very very good.
Will he ever be? Who knows, but after the organization (JFJ) gave up on Rask we’d rather wait a bit to see if he can fulfill his potential. And now with a legit mentor in Giguer combined with Allair he has as good a chance as he can.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
He was overhyped coming in, that’s for sure. Forced into a #1 spot as a rookie due to lack of options, he’s had very little time to actually train and develop.
I’m hoping Jiggy carries most (2/3rds) of the load for the rest of the season and next season, let Gustavsson grow and get better out of the spotlight. Definitely not ready to be a starter, but as of right now a solid backup and hopefully ready for #1 by the time Giguere’s contract is up. Looking any further than that is silly because there are too many variables in play.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
if the leafs had a viable stop gap backup that wouldn’t get claimed on waivers (a la Macdonald) then I’d say maybe
but then with the Marlies he wouldnt be around Giggy or allaire near as much, which was the point of bringing both of them in I am sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Giggy should be great for him
I’m looking forward to seeing his development, I only question how long the admin and fans will give him to develop…ya know, before you get all antsy about his play.
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Give him another year and see where he is
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 20, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
another good thing about Giggy, it gives Gustavsson some room to develop without being totally picked apart every night (a la Pogge)
If this time next year there hasn’t been any significant improvement in the monsters game I will start to worry about his NHL starter potential but even if he isnt starter material the Leafs got him for nothing but cash so no assets were lost
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
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