I'm So Excited!!!
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Why am I excited? Because Dion Phaneuf is excited! Tonight we see the new look Leafs, sans so many players that we won't miss, and with Phaneuf and Giguere in the spotlight. Can it get more exciting?
YES! It's also the premiere of the final season of Lost tonight! Ahhhh, how I will get any of my chores done tonight baffles me. I'm going to spend something like 6hrs watching TV. That's a lot of TV, you'll have to check and see if I've atrophied into my couch by the end of the night.
And now on to the links, filled with other people who are also excited!
- Toronto's Trades
Analysis on Sunday's trades is still coming in: here's Robert Vollman's take over on Puck Prospectus. - The Dion Phaneuf Show Hits Toronto
Thomas Cranston calls the deals this weekend "monster". - On the Phaneuf Deal - The Copper & Blue
An Oiler's fan's analysis of how the Dion Phaneuf trade will impact the Calgary Flames. - Brian Burke 1, Darryl Sutter 0
Torontoist's take on the Calgary trade. - Time to Say Goodbye: Jamal Mayers
Loser Domi says goodbye to the Leafs player lost in trade that we're all most likely to miss: Jamal Mayers. Wait, what? - Expiring Contracts
mc79 thinks Elliotte Friedman's read on the value of expiring contracts might be off... by quite a bit. - Burke vs. Lowe III aka Jon vs. Kate
The Hockey Writers thinks the Burke - Lowe feud is still ongoing. Look at the conversation he recorded between the two of them. - What’s Next For The Toronto Maple Leafs?
Daniel Santos takes a look at the cap implications of this weekend's deals. - Yes but will it be in 3D?
No Stanley Cups Allowed thinks we've seen this movie before... - Should we assume Giguere and Gustavsson will both be Leafs next year?
David Johnson asks whether we'll have both of these goalies next year, or if there will be further changes in the crease for the Leafs. - How The West Has Changed
Fear the Fin looks at at how the Western Conference has changed with the Leafs, Flames, and Ducks trades yesterday. - Kats Krunch: Phaneuf Regression In Context
What about Phaneuf's regression? Can he really be Norrish Trophy good? - What About the Kid?
Alex Tran gives us some info on what to expect from Keith Aulie. - An Un Bee Lee Ba Ba Turn Of Events
general borchevsky reviews the weekend that was: from an excellent start, to rock bottom, to elation. - Strength of schedule could make or break NHL teams' playoff hopes
The Leafs have a favourable schedule remaining, with 15 games at home and only 11 on the road. Maybe they can move up the standings! - New Era
Shield changed the name of his blog: it's now Phaneuf Phever. Read it's inaugural post! - The Day After Burke Bombed The Maple Leafs
Toronto Sports Media breaks down how the Phaneuf trade came to be, with the help of the MSM. - Phaneuf 'excited' to be in Toronto
Mirtle takes a look at Phaneuf's reception in Toronto, and his "excitement" to be in the Blue and White. - Flames send Jokinen, Prust to Rangers for Higgins, Kotalik
The trade rumoured to be going down on Sunday finally happened last night.
PPP Update
- Irish Leafs - We're Going To Need Some Luck
Welcome the newest member of the Barilkosphere. - Hungry Leafs Fan - Good, Bad, and Ugly
HLF looks at the trade more in-depth. We definitely lost some talent but picked up a fine replacement. - Bloge Salming - It's been a busy week
I always knew Jamal Mayers was the key to the trade. - Down Goes Brown - Gary Bettman's E-mail Account
The Semenko one is amazing. - Fifty Mission Cap - 1992 Redux?
Not quite.
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The Jokinen trade makes soooo happy
Alexei Yagudin - the best there ever was and the best there ever will be
I still can’t wrap my mind around it. After a weekend of total “Wait, what?” trades, this might actually be the head-scratchingest one. And that says quite a bit.
the Sutter Ranch moonshine might be messing with their minds.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
he’s cleaning house, looking to rebuild methinks.
Sather is probably going to take a shot at Kovalchuk. I’m going to assume he’s going to try and move either Redden or Rozsival before the deadline, or one of them will be part of the package that goes Atlanta’s way.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
If Atlanta is getting Redden as part of the deal (mainly because of the Salary implications), they should at least get even more from the Rags for 1) giving them their best player and 2) getting rid of one of the worst contracts in the League
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 2, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
i have no idea
just speculating. The other possibility would be Drury, as he’s the other big money maker not named Gaborik for NYR. To fit Kovy both short and possibly long term though, Sather will have to move at least one of those three, with my gut telling me Drury would be the least likely. Or, perhaps better put, Sather would rather move Redden or Rozsival before Drury.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting theory
And I have no doubt that’s what Sather’s trying to do, only moving any of those guys in any sort of package would, to me, be nearly impossible for Waddell to sell to his fan base in Atlanta. There’d better be some other attractive pieces in there or else Waddell has turned into a complete fool in order to see Kovalchuk in a Rangers uni.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
I put up a ton of new stuff last night over at Vintage Leafs, including this shot of Stajan and Iginla back in the good ol’ days.
Excellent
Also like the Mahovlich in ‘66 and Vaive’s 50th.
by general borschevsky on Feb 2, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
From the Globe and Mail
“The defining moment may have come in the third period, when Stajan drove to the net, but Emery knocked him flat to the ice with a forearm shiver. On Mike Richards’s first of two goals, which came on a weird ricochet off Jay Bouwmeester’s stick, Stajan was late on the back check, permitting Richards a point-blank chance from the slot. "
-Eric Duhatschek
Enjoy !!!!!!!
Wendel Killer Joseph
They forgot the part where Jamal Mayers…did nothing.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
he took a stupid penalty 200ft from his own net that killed any momentum Calgary had in the 3rd!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
…and that’s what I get for going to bed halfway through the period. I missed the better punch line!
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
To be fair
There is also this:
“Of the four Calgary newcomers, Hagman showed the most energy and eventually ended up on the top line with Stajan and Iginla. "
From the same article. Hags did hustle, at the least.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well, they often hustled for us, too. They were just not talented enough to get the job done (as was the case here). I’m sure that they’ll bounce back, though. I’m sure they’re pretty upset after being traded, and will take a while to adjust to their new linemates. Phaneuf will have to do the same, though.
I might be alone on this, but I hope all four guys have success in Calgary. I don’t care about who “wins” a trade; let this one help both teams.
All those guys worked hard in Toronto and did whatever was asked of them. I really hope they light it up and even help Calgary into the playoffs.
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
Except for Mayers. Fuck that guy.
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Well, yeah, maybe him.
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
It was the strangest thing though. Yesterday i actually found myself cheering for the flames. I want to see them succeed. I don’t know how i feel about it.
i'm perfectly fine with seeing those 3 succeed
and wish them well. in fact, that might go a long way towards dispelling the “all leaf players” are terrible myth.
But that’s a two-way street. If they’re going to all pan out, i want Phaneuf to turn into an absolute monster in Toronto, so I don’t have to listen to people say “man, can you believe the Leafs traded away White AND Stajan in their primes? Who’d they even get for them?” in 20 years
Oh and Stajan too.
…and the two other guys….what were their names?
by Bloge Salming on Feb 2, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t wish ill on them, I just think it’s funny that they are exasperating someone else’s fanbase now. Tonight we get our own new players who will exasper… er, excite us with their awesome play! Yeah, that’s it, that’s the ticket…
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Yeah
me too…I grew up in Mississauga playing hockey with and against Stajan. I wish him the best. meme chose for Hags and especially White. Same for Blakey and Toskala – hope their careers bounce back. I just don’t think it will happen.
I think the Matt Stajan as a first line center on a team that want’s to contend is funny. It’s not about the players; it’s about the GM who acquired them.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
LOUD NOISES
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I got the good, the bad and the ugly on the trades
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Feb 2, 2010 8:46 AM EST reply actions
Added!
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
This
“There is no denying that Dion Phaneuf is one of the ugliest human beings on this planet”
too funny
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
Robyn Regehr is markedly uglier.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Both are hunks compared to Rod “The Nose” Brind’amour
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Regehr is so ugly
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully the arrival of Phaneuf will make Kessel feel more relaxed like there isn’t as much pressure on just him now.
The original G-Unit
by Another Good Kingston Boy on Feb 2, 2010 8:51 AM EST reply actions
Jeez, I originally thought Kessel was kinda weak in front of the media, but Phaneuf was a downright disaster on OTR. Kessel must be excstatic the media pressure is off him for a while.
His agent must have told him: “Don’t say anything except for how excited you are to be here and how you’re ready to get it going.”
Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Finally from Friedman's "30 Thoughts"
“3. This eliminates some of Ron Wilson’s excuses. The two trades negate several strained relationships (Stajan, Mayers, Toskala and possibly White). He’s got to get more out of his lineup now.
4. I get the sense the team thinks Jonas Gustavsson is exhausted."
Also, a chunk of the players that aren’t “good enough” in Wilson’s words are gone. And replaced with better players (albeit less of them). Excuses are running out for RW. And if it’s all about the quality of players when you’re losing, it better be about the quality of players when you’re winning.
(Poor Jonas)
Wendel Killer Joseph
I guess so…next year looks like another write off, pending what happens with the Forwards corp.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
If you get a chance to add this link..
A 3D rendering of how the Calgary/Toronto trade went down.
http://www.blogesalming.com/2010/02/its-been-busy-week.html
I think the characters and voices are spot on.
Crap on a crutch...
…my 3D rendering looks like it got pulled down.
Can anyone else see it?
I bet the software developer is a flames fan….dirty calgarian.
by Bloge Salming on Feb 2, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
i’m at work, so it’s entirely possible it’s been blocked by filters, but i see nothing.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
:(
I’m glad I saw it before it got taken down then.
“Sutter Steamer” is how Flames fans are going to at least refer to the Jokinen/Kotalik trade.
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Wow...
…it looks like the whole website I used went down.
by Bloge Salming on Feb 2, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
…and it’s back up.
The “Sutter Steamer” lives on.
by Bloge Salming on Feb 2, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Awesomest thing I’ve seen today.
The original G-Unit
by Another Good Kingston Boy on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wayne Primeau has the money quote on what Dion brings to the Leafs
"You can see it on the ice in practice," said centre Wayne Primeau, who spent 2 1/2 seasons in Calgary with Phaneuf. "He’s being vocal and he wasn’t shy to holler for pucks and compete in practice, even though it was his first one. If that can wear off on some of the young guys, it’s an added bonus."
Emphasis mine. More culture change?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions
I think so
Stajan and White have been around for too long with all of the losing and Mayers was clearly a loser.
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i think
he means rub off. I can also see how that might wear on some guys (possibly root of some of the ‘dressing room problems’?).
I hope it rubs off on the team in a good way. Looking forward to next year for sure.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
i took it as “rub off” as well. that said, the whole rumored dressing room rift in Calgary makes me a little nervous. Seems like Burke has loaded up with strong personalities, and in a losing environment, things could get nasty. Wilson’s going to earn his money keeping the room unified. He did that in SJ by making every player hate him. Just more fodder for the “fire Wilson” folks.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
And
it worked incredibly well (in the regular season anyways)
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Also, we talked about it on Sunday
and I know Spector and Eklund had a little twitter war over this same fact, but I can’t believe Burke and Sutter have been talking about Phaneuf coming to the Leafs since 11/15. At least, according to Simmons.
That should burst the bubble of folks who follow the trade speculation.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:33 AM EST reply actions
I was weak. I went back on Sunday night and read all of Eklund’s blog posts from that day, just to see what he had.
He had nothing. The only things he got remotely right were straight from Dreger’s twitter (which he credited, which was a nice change). Other than that, it was all nonsense. He pretended it was linked in to some big trade he’d been hinting at, as if he knew it was coming. Then he said the Kings would be involved.
At this point, I can’t understand how anyone takes Eklund seriously. He and his sources are either lying or they’re useless.
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
His sources are
Little sock puppets that he puts on his hands and talks to in the middle of the night.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 2, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
This concerns me a little
I think we both agreed it made sense on Friday," Burke said. "I ran the deal by Richard Peddie. He ran the deal by his ownership group. It’s not necessarily for approval, just to let them know what’s going on. We wanted all hands on deck for Saturday. We had to get through the games on Saturday night with everybody healthy.
No surprise and no different from any other GM in the league. You have to tell your boss when you’re doing something huge. It even says not for approval.
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I understand that side of it. My issue, and it’s not a big issue, is why even mention it in the first place? Is Burke trying to make sure people know he doesn’t need approval? I don’t get it.
I’m probably reading too much into it.
He could just want to make it clear.
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he knows who he's dealing with
and he’s probably gotten a little coaching from Nonis on how he needs to handle the TO media. Nonis seems to be more aware of how TO’s MSM reacts and reports. Burke has started to draw things out with them in his answers to questions. He used to shoot from the hip, and assume the reporter understood the gist of conversations. Now, he’s very thorough and reiterates finer points for emphasis.
If you go back last year to some of his pressers, you’ll notice how loose he was initially. Could be the whole “honeymoon” period, or just happy to be here, but IIRC, he’s always been that way. In VAN and ANA.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
This bugs me a little too, although according to McKenzie it’s standard league-wide.
My question is, what if one of the owners says he doesn’t like the deal? Can Burke make it anyways? Does he have to wait and/or talk them into it?
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I imagine that would be the case depending on the relationship between the GM and the owner.
I can imagine a GM in a poorer hockey market going to the Owner and saying I want to do this and the owner simply saying no we cannot afford it. But here considering the situation with the Leafs and cash flow I imagine the board defers to Burke for most hockey related instances.
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i think in this case
it’s more a state of the need of the media to report even the most mundane things. If it’s Leafs related, it’s news.
long story short, this is the way business is done. The Leafs are a business. For it to be quote worthy that Burke keeps his bosses in the loop is more a statement of the spotlight on the franchise than anything else.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s partly correct, and but that Burke’s answer is also likely related to a need to be absolutely clear that Peddie/the board was consulted, if only to avoid some tool reporter “finding out” that it happened and then reporting it as if these details were something MLSE is trying to hide from you, the fan. Stuff like that sells papers and fans the flames (no pun intended) among those in the tin foil hat brigade who believe MLSE is a company out to destroy us all (or at least with a hidden agenda that involves only money making and not winning).
Everybody here knows that the “MLSE doesn’t want to win” thing doesn’t make economic sense, but if some reporter digs up the “hidden fact” that Burke consulted Peddie before making this deal, then casually points out that the Leafs ended up SAVING MONEY (this year)…the tin foil hat brigade is howling about the plan to finish last, pad the coffers of the Pension Plan and hide it all from the fans.
Burke’s thorough and careful answers make it clear what’s happening and why; hopefully that saves us all from suffering through the idiocy it might otherwise cause.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
i cant seen why they'd object on financial terms
he sent out the same money as he brought in.
cap implications are different, but in cash terms, he saved MLSE $2m in the anaheim deal, and cost them about the same in the Phaneuf deal.
he cost MLSE about $4 million real dollars next year in the Anaheim deal.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
and probably more when he buys out Finger.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’ll bury him in the minors, not buy him out. That’d be, what, 4 years of Finger on the cap?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to riot if we buy out Finger. Buyouts are awful. It astounds me that we will be paying Darcy Tucker a million dollars a year for as long as anyone else on the team right now is on contract.
yeah I really hate that we’re still paying him.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i mean could they not trade him for a 6th rounder or something?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Remember
When we used to trade for “future considerations”? That’s gone the way of the dinosaur in the cap-based NHL.
I was just saying that on Saturday! I loved reading ‘Future Considerations" and wondering if this was the team he’d finally make a breakthrough with.
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
conditional round pick for Pogge is pretty close to “future considerations”
you just have to agree on a bare minimum.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
NO BUYOUTS. They’re just so, so stupid. How is it helpful to pay a serviceable NHL defenceman $2M a year to NOT play for us for years and years and years.
As we’ve learned with Blake, “untradeable” contracts become a lot more tradeable as the years stop coming off the end.
Jeff Finger is completely tradeable. Not much in return now, but this time next year, absolutely
i dunno. I think his cap hit would be 1.3 or something. You could basically fill two roster spots with the amount of money you save. He does seem reluctant to send people to the minors. If he wanted to send Finger there, he could have done so already.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but we’ve been fine under the cap and Finger’s been getting some playing time. We’ll need to sign a cheap #7 D first, but then I think Finger’s gone.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
BEALK!
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
he hasn’t played D in ages now
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
And Finger and XLB have?
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Touché.
But it’s true. The trade deadline isn’t for a while, and we’re not in tight enough a position against the cap to force Burke’s hand.
i dunno.
I’d feel better if we had a little less money locked up on D next year, even if Kaberle gets moved.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Also from Friedman
29. One last Leaf note: Mayers and Garnet Exelby made their trade demands months ago. Shows a secret can be kept, if you want it to be.
And
19. Burke made it sound like he didn’t think he could get a first-rounder for Alexei Ponikarovsky . A bit surprised by that.
20. He also reiterated that Tomas Kaberle will not be traded during the season. I believe him. If it happens, it will be during the summer. Makes sense for the Maple Leafs, because Kaberle can’t control the process then.
I don’t remember him saying he wouldn’t trade Kaberle during the season just that he wouldn’t ask him to waive his NTC.
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From what I can recall, most of what BB has said recently is that he “won’t ask Kaberle to waive is NTC.” not that he “won’t trade Kaberle.”
Is it possible that he already has a deal in place for the off season? That some team came to him and said, “look, next year we want kaberle, and we’re willing to offload an expensive but good forward to get him, but we need that current forward for this season’s playoffs.” To which Burke said “ok, i’ll hold on to him for you.”
There are probably some teams that are up hard against the cap next year and could use a good, relatively inexpensive D-man who is also a UFA after next season. I can see the scenario going down that way.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I could believe that and that makes sense. Plus, there are more teams to play against each other this summer.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Burke's exact quotes were never "won't trade"
but that it would take a "home run-type offer" to get him out of TO. As we all know, he’s also said he won’t ask him to waive his NTC.
Either he gets an offer come deadline time from a team on Kaberle’s list of teams he’d accept a trade to (this fact continues to be gleaned over…) or Burke gets an offer on draft day that meets his specifications ("home run-type offer" ) and moves him as he sees fit.
I’m guessing Kabby’s agent is trying to gauge interest in the market right now, to possibly get a sense of who could come calling…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
he hasn’t been saying “home-run offer” lately. Lately, all he’s said is that ‘his stance hasn’t changed’ and that he ’won’t ask Kaberle to waive the NTC.’
Remember, his value in trade isn’t as high this year as it was last year, since he’s only under contract for 1 more year, not 2.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
his stance hasn’t changed means
a) he won’t ask him to waive it
b) it’s still going to take a “home run offer” to consider it.
that’s always been his position.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
not neccesarily
BB always chooses his words carefully, and there’s always more in what he isn’t saying.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, his words are always pretty carefully chosen. Not going to lie, I was sure Stralman was gone last year long before the trade happened because of Burke’s “I can’t trade Kaberle because then I’d be looking all summer for a guy with his skill set.” Even though Stralie was never mentioned anywhere, the talk between the lines said that he was never a part of Burke’s future plans.
i think you’re reading too much into it.
my two points have always been his stance. it’s what he’s said since first asked about moving Kaberle. He doesn’t want to move him, he won’t ask him to waive his NTC, and if someone makes him an offer it needs to knock his socks off for it to even be considered.
I’m not hoping for a Kabby trade, but if he does get moved, I hope it’s for a good return package. I believe Burke doesn’t see the need to trade Kabby, or even have much of a desire to.
It goes to show how highly he thinks of his value if his initial understanding of the Kessel trade with Boston was for the Bruins to send Kessel and their first rounder to Toronto…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well he wants a high return, obviously. And he needs to get one back, that much is obvious. But if anybody’s aware that Kaberle’s value only decreases with time, it’s Brian Burke. If he’s cut the “homerun” sentence out of his canned response to Kaberle questions, it’s for a reason.
he cut that
and replaced it with “hasn’t changed”
he and Wilson think very little of the Toronto media. You could see Burke’s frustration with them on Sunday during the presser…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Which is why we love them.
You’re probably right, I’m just hoping that Burke’s evaluation of Kaberle’s market value has dropped a bit, and that he knows it will continue to drop.
could be
but that would be working under the assumption that he’s lying outright in his constant protestations that Kaberle is here long term. I tend to believe Burke, in that his desire is to not trade him, unless the return makes the team better.
Kabby won’t go in a one for one swap. No matter who the player is returning. He’s too important to the team’s dynamic and style of play.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s ever said that Kaberle is here long term, just that he’s not going to dump him for nothing (ala Kubina). Everything Burke has said basically points to “If somebody wants Kaberle and is willing to give me what I want, I’ll pack his bags myself. But Kaberle is still a major player on this team until that day”
If we’re talking about not trading Kaberle unless the return is worth it then, well, that really goes without saying. It’s like all the conversations of “well I wouldn’t re-sign x player if the amount was unreasonable.” Nobody is arguing that Burke is looking to make a Kaberle trade that won’t improve the team.
Not to beat a dead horse, but if Burke can’t get a home run offer at the deadline, he’s not going to get one at the draft.
If you trade for Kaberle at the deadline, you’ll pay him about $5M for two playoff runs. If you wait for the offseason, you pay him $4.25 for one playoff run. Factor in that prices are always highest at the deadline, and it’s complete madness to think you can hold off for a better offer in the off-season.
I hate to make the comparison because I’m worried it would make eyebleaf’s head explode, but it’s like the Halladay situation. You can say you don’t think the offers are good enough right now, but they’re not going to get any better as you wait.
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
My assumption is that the Flyers’ Carter offer was peak value.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
but they have bigger cap issues now, and carter’s value, after increasing last year, has gone down a bit this year.
it’s a pipe dream, I know. But it’s not bat-shit crazy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
do they know something we don't??
The official Leafs store online already has both Giguere and Phaneuf in its system; they also have Tomas Kaberle jerseys for nearly 50-percent off, so read into that what you will. Centre Sports, incidentally, has Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake merch on deep discount as well.
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yeah. Nobody buys two Kaberle jerseys.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I need one now.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
yes. actually you can follow centresports on twitter too, to see when they have deals.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
good idea, thanks.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Someone e-mailed me about that a couple of days ago when they noticed it on the NHL.com shop for what it’s worth.
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DGB – I don’t disagree with your deadline v. draft-day return, but I think Burke would counter by pointing out that if he trades Kaberle at the deadline, ther are 10 potential teams to negotiate with. If he trades Kaberle at the draft, he’s got 29 potential trading partners.
Don’t know that I agree with Burke, but that’s been a line he’s trotted out a few times on this issue.
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for a Kaberle – Carter swap in the off season.
Based on the numbers from Capgeek, they only have 14 guys under contract, with about $10M to spend. They also only have 1 goalie signed, and we all know good goalies don’t come for less than 2.5 million. So they’re going to need some cap space, and they really need to fill up their D lineup….
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
stop raining on my delusional parade!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
i dunno
wouldn’t any team thinking “we want to hold on to this guys for the playoffs” want to be stocking up for a run? i.e. if they’re in the “win now” mode, wouldn’t they want to add kaberle now?
yes
but it might not make as much sense cap wise.
what’s good a cap next year isn’t necessarily good for the cap this year.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps
but then the “just let us keep this guy for now” idea doesn’t hold water, is my point.
You’re either loading up at the deadline for a run, or your not. I dont know why you’d say “OK we’ll try with our guys this year, and if it doesn’t work, we’ll flip your guy for ours and try again”
maybe
Makes sense for the Maple Leafs, because Kaberle can’t control the process then.
Yeah, other than the whole “there’s no way in hell the price won’t plummet in the offseason”, this makes a ton of sense for the Leafs.
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
You think it'll plummet?
I think that you’re probably right. GMs are more likely to be happy with their roster in the off-season whereas at the deadline they might get desperate.
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My thoughts as well. Being able to play for those last 20 or so games, plus the post-season nearly doubles a players value at the deadline versus draft day.
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Exactly. Plus at the deadline, teams know where they stand and they know what they need. In the offseason a team can still convince themselves that they don’t really need to break the bank on Kaberle because this rookie or that veteran might step up and do the job almost as well. At the deadline, they know they need him.
On top of all that, what team is going to blow their brains out in the last week of June when they can wait until free agency and get somebody for nothing but cap space? I know the Flyers did it with Pronger, but that’s because he was the only player in the league who brought what they wanted. Kaberle’s good, but he won’t fit that description for anyone.
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
On top of all that, what team is going to blow their brains out in the last week of June when they can wait until free agency and get somebody for nothing but cap space?
Teams without capspace. That’s who. Lets face it. Kaberle comes cheap. And in the same way that trade values are highest before the playoffs, contracts get inflated in the offseason. Most teams must realize they won’t be able to get a D-man of Kaberle’s caliber for the price through free-agency.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Lets face it. Kaberle comes cheap.
… for one more season. Then he’s a UFA who’s going to want to get paid.
Clock’s ticking…
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 2, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Out of the 3, which 2 would you rather have – Kaberle, Komisarek, Beauchemin
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 2, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Good question. Taking everything into consideration- trade value, contract, age etc…
komisarek and Beauchemin.
As players forgetting everything else, I have no idea, fuckin tough
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i also think that for what it’s worth, Kaberle as a guy sending one-timers to Phaneuf is a job someone else could easily step into. I’d say there are about 30 passes a year that Kaberle makes that no other player could make. But I think that’s less valuable then a legitimate #1 C.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
only 10 Kabby's sick passes...
…end up as goals, thanks to our shitty players on the receiving end.
We need scoring forwards. Kaberle and/or Finger just HAVE TO begat them.
I wonder....
Kaberle and his camp gave Burke a list of ten teams back in the summer. Any chance that list had fine print that allowed Burke to trade Kaberle to one of those teams during the season?
I imagine something like that could have happened.
They would say we understand your position and appreciate your stance on not asking us to waive, but we also understand in the summer that clause is no longer valid, So in saying that here is a list of teams that we would prefer going to if possible
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it actually makes sense for Kaberle to go ahead and give Burke the green light. He knows Burke can trade him anywhere come the draft. At least if he gives Burke the go-ahead for 10 teams, he has some control over his future.
I just not sure why he doesn’t want to take a chance at winning. He’s not getting younger. We all know chances are we are in for another rough year next year, I think I’d take a chance at joining a winning team for the home stretch.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s loyalty more than fear. But having control over where you ply your trade is obvious the biggest factor. No one wants to lose control.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
since eyebleaf isn't here
why can’t Kaberle be part of the winning here? He’s not exactly “old”…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I have no desire to see him go, just reflecting reasons he may or may not waive his NTC. He is our most valuable player we could move. We have a lot of money tied up on D. Sure, I’d rather them dump Finger XLB. I’d like to see Poni and Stemp stay too. But I don’t think all three are here next season. Just a gut feeling.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
amen. he’s only 31, he’s got another 5 or 6 good years left hopefully.
and he’s been here his whole nhl career. if you’ve ever lived anywhere for a long period of time, you know how hard it can be to consider leaving. it’s a huge life change, not just for him but for his family.
and i think tomas is proud as well. he’s been here long enough to see how the city reacts in good times (remember those?), how important hockey is to this city, and maybe he thinks it would be great to be a part of that, rather than being shipped off to some b-market that might not give a sh8t about hockey. it’s not like he’s only got one or 2 years left – if tomas thinks he’s got 6 or 7 years left in him, surely it’s reasonable to think the leafs can be contenders in that time.
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FWIW
I advocate the trading of ANY player if it makes the team better in the long run. I’m merely playing devil’s advocate in this situation.
I don’t need or want Kabby to be traded, but, if he can net a good return; sayonara
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Loyalty can be a strong factor, stronger than we think sometimes. He may also see himself as part of the solution in bringing Toronto back to playoff glory and wants very much to be a part of that. Maybe a bit of the Sundin-type factor of wanting to win with one team rather than parachute into another team halfway through… you might win with them but you may not feel fully integrated with the team and so the feeling is not as rewarding. Just my guess.
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I'M SO EXCITED
I can’t be the only one thinking of this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bflYjF90t7c
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions
I just had a guy i work with (Ranger fan) bet me 10 bucks that Dion will be that Captain by the end of this year. Take the bet?
I’d take it.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
WOOO
of course, this is a New Jersey game, so I feel dumb for getting excited. But then, their little trapping deal didn’t work so well last game, did it?? MUA-HAHAHA!!!! THE DION WILL DEVOUR THEM!
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
OMG Giguere vs Brodeur.
When was the last time we said we could see a goalie battle?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
mmm
Toskala vs. Raycroft? Although not in the definition of “goalie battle” that you mean…
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of Toskala
any guesses on where he’s playing next year? Seriously. I mean, Raycroft is still in the NHL, so Toskala could very well be also…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the Ducks signed him on the cheap, if they like him.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
He could make a affordable back-up…but not in Toronto. Wrong market for his personality, shy and insecure (and apparently all out crazy – if you judge by his assessment of his own performance).
Playing 15-20 games behind a stud (like Raycroft in Van) could work. IF he’s willing to take the paycut.
My initial reaction was he’s done in the NHL. When I told the lady friend this, she almost cried. She doesn’t follow hockey much, nevertheless the Leafs (only because I do – which should not make her sympathetic to Toskala).
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Playing 15-20 games behind a stud (like Raycroft in Van)
had to read that twice; “Oh, he means Raycroft playing behind Luongo, not Toskala backing up Raycroft…”
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by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Darn!
from @jonas640
No Brodeur tonight. Yann Danis gets the start for Jersey
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
haha
yes! With our lack of any sort of offense save Phil Kessel and Ponikarovsky, we may need this.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Tonight's lineup
From tsn.ca
Projected Lines vs. Devils
Forwards:
Ponikarovsky – Bozak – Kessel
Mitchell – Hanson – Stempniak
Kulemin – Wallin – Sjostrom
Orr – Primeau – Rosehill
Defencemen:
Beauchemin – Phaneuf
Kaberle – Schenn
Gunnarson – Exelby
Goaltenders:
Giguere
Gustavsson
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
My only issue issue here is the 2nd line: I’d put Kulie in Mitchell’s spot. Methinks Wilson will do a lot of juggling, with Primeau playing a lot more than Wallin or his supposed linemates on the 4th.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Poor Gunnarson – who wants to play with a guy who wants out? Especially when you’re just starting?
I too suspect Kulemin and Primeau will get more minutes – even strength – than the starting line-up suggests
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 2, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
They could literally take all the devils off the ice and the Leafs bottom 2 lines couldn’t score…
Orr and Rosehill would look for someone to fight….Primeau would get hurt somehow and Wallin would keep looking for Gus on the bench for direction.
by Bloge Salming on Feb 2, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Pogge??
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
also, once we dump grabbo and wallin this summer, we’ll have eliminated all of our creampuff players
Grabbo?
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, not only do I think he’s not strong enough to play center, I also think he’s a goner come the summer
doubt very much
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
me too
I would think it’d be ideal to convert him to wing, but given how short we are on depth at center, he’s staying.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
why? burke didn’t bring him in. I don’t think it’s any secret that Burke wants more size down the middle
Burke tried to trade for Grabbo when he was in Anaheim.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
hmm. never heard of that, but I don’t think he fits into the long term plans of the team. Bozak has earned a spot and who knows if Kadri or PTBN are with the tam come October. Is he a 3rd line center? If you keep him, I think he has to move to wing.
yeah I am really pretty sure Kadri’s not on the team.
Grabbo’s gotta play top 6 minutes to be effective. If Burke brings in another center, he shifts to wing. Either way, he’s sticking around.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
i’d like to see grabbo on the wing, but that wont happen with the current dirth of pivots
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the question: What are the chances that Bozak and Grabovski are your #1 and #2 centers come October 1?
I’d say slim.
really?
I say pretty likely.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
id say they are pretty good actually, the only way i see a legit top sixer coming in is in a deal for kabby and the more i think about it….i dunno
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but no player that burke himself has signed or brought in has been moved
both grabbo and bozak are in that group
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
And
I think that at some point, the roster shuffling has to stop. There has to be some stability, otherwise, it’s like playing rec hockey – different gang every week.
well the goaltending has been very rec like
“so are we getting that guy your buddy knows who used to play in the OHL, or that fat guy who bought gear at a garage sale last week?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
This is like when John Lennon was talking about trying to find a drummer. “Drums were expensive, and usually the people who have the money to buy them were idiots.”
haha yup
most goalies i knew growing up were rich entitled kids who were assholes
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
hey!
i was a poor goalie growing up. my equipment was always inferior to all the other goalies. I even had pads made by Pete’s (but made by Vaughn), and I had to pay for most of them myself.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
haha, thats why i said most
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
that was pretty much me. but not quite.
and I wasn’t an asshole. in fact, I couldn’t stand most of the douchbags I played hockey with.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
i’ve become much more of an asshole since I stopped playing hockey.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
it’s crazy expensive. but also annoying, because all the other guys always made it seem like it was so easy and like they could do a better job.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
me too, my dad was a tricky one though, first he said “you need to learn how to skate properly before you become a goalie, just in case you dont like it” then i learned how to skate and he said “you are far too good a skater to be a goalie”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
haha
clever bastard!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
haha, yeah, but then i went on to win the fastest skater 7 years in a row in league skills comps
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
sorry. I don’t see him being a long term fit on the team. I think that’s part of the reason he only got a two year deal.
two year?
I thought it was three year?
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
but yes
once we’re ready to actually compete for the Cup, not just compete for the playoffs, I think Grabbo’s gone. Or at best, on wing.
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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
yah, i think it was 2.9 for 3
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
It was 3. I don’t think Grabovski gets moved until next year at the latest anyway. He’s missed a tonne of time this year.
But I wouldn’t be shocked to see him moved to the wing either. He’s terrible in the circle.
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Burke signed him to a pretty good deal. I think he wants him around.
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
so he has value in 2 years when he goes to trade him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Grabbo’s neither a creampuff nor is he going anywhere.
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grabbo might be the toughest Leaf, either that or he is missing the part of his brain where he feels pain
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
is anyone else excited
to see Sjostrom? Seriously, a complete non factor. I wonder what we’ve got in him.
as long as he is better than Mayers (read not a total liability 99 percent of the time he is on the ice) win iwn!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
that's what i'm thinking
i mean obviously this entire deal hinges on Phaneuf’s progress.
But if we’ve got ourselves a serviceable NHL forward with wheels and even a modicum of offense, locked in for 750K per year?
On second thought, fuck it, he’ll probably be Wallin 2.0.
IMO, I think he’ll be better than Wallin, since he’s been in the NHL for quite some time (knows the pace of the game), I don’t expect him to light up the scoresheet, but be that reliable shutdown 3rd/4th line center Wallin should’ve been, but time will tell.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Cook Poo!
lol, yeah seriously, but like i said in the reply, probably going to get juggled.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
As an aside
love the renamed website, Shield. :D
by Marc Pilgrim on Feb 2, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Haha thanks! I had a link for the FTB but i sent it to Skinnyfish thinking today was his day…
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
I thought I got it in? Skinny forwarded it to me…
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh cool! I honestly didn’t even notice, though now I do. Also, what was the name of your puppy’s breed again? My g/f wants to see what it looks like.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Shiba Inu.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Akita Inu > Shiba Inu.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
sure thing, size wise
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
and in every possible way.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
;)
;)
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
werid
said i had not subject with the face, but it still worked. damn crappy website!
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
to the CC!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
haha
that episode was pretty funny last night.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
nah
he’s reliable defensively. Plus, they may be trying to showcase Poni.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but...
…putting him on a line with Wallin and Sjostrom? Even for a shift?
He must have left him an “Upper Decker”.
or he caught him doing an AC Slater and was just disturbed by it.
"I will take the subway - we were on the subway last night...I'm not above riding the subway or riding on a bus, I don't care. As long as people don't hit me." --Ron Wilson
I don’t even want to know
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
im optomistic. reminds me of and pardon the spelling, macoun, levebre and rouse being phaneuff, schenn and beachemin, as they gell. plus the undertaker equals the cat (sebastian and felix). now turf mr streaky pussy pants kessel and we have absolutely nothing up front, but thats where the fun starts. i see dynasty eventually
I mean it. Bring him back.
You're Excited Now?!
Big announcement coming this afternoon.
Going to knock your socks off.
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???
intrigue.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
WOOO
SO MUCH EXCITEMENT
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
BRAIN GONNA SPLODE!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
the best part
this announcement is happening while Chemmy is away… WHAT COULD IT BE???
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Chemmy leaving is the best thing that’s happened to this website :P
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
oh wow.
I’ve been here so long and he’s filled me with so much fear, I can’t even laugh at that. As badly as I want to.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
i find myself laughing more since he’s been here
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I have socks on? It’s not that cold.
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Big Site Announcement.
I have no inside NHL knowledge.
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Did we just trade Phaneuf to Boston for 2 first round picks and a 2nd???
by Bloge Salming on Feb 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
When you say big 'announcement coming this afternoon'
It means you are either Dreggering us, or Eklunding us. It had better mean the first of the two.
No
This is an E5 Site announcement.
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
my guess:
you are the real Mrs. Chemmy, and you’re in Mexico sunning on the beach with your hubbby as we speak.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
so romantic
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?
WHAT’S HAPPENING???
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Surprise!
We’re all becoming Columbus Blue Jackets fans.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Not seeing Ian White in our lineup makes me a sad panda
But then I look again and seeing Dion Phaneuf gives me a booooner. So it’s all good.
Boo hoo!
so...
you’re a sad panda with a boner?
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
now THERE is a disturbing mental image
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think that summarizes it quite well
I just puked in my mouth
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 2, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
My daughter has a message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZngBu7d2Nns
The original G-Unit
by Another Good Kingston Boy on Feb 2, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions
OH MY GOD THAT IS TOO CUTE
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hope for tonight
@jonas640: No Brodeur tonight. Yann Danis gets the start for Jersey.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
look up. way up.
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
it bears repeating
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
True. I guess running the net is only going to backfire tonight
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
PLAYOFFS!!!1
come on! Backups every game from here on in? Extreme “nobody believed in us” potential? Angry mofo with a lot to prove?
It could happen. We just REALLY need to start that 25-5 run to close the season. :)
Komisarek's season to be determined on Wed
Full article here.
Toronto Maple Leafs defenceman Mike Komisarek is facing the possibility of having his season come to an end, with his future hinging on a meeting with medical personnel Wednesday.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
well if it happens, it happens.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Also, if they place him on LTIR, we’ll get his cap hit off the books and be able to take on expiring shitty contracts at the deadline in exchange for picks.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
but not the cap space
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
why would someone dump a shitty contract
if it’s expiring?
because they are making a playoff push and need room for “that final piece”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
and in this scenario, we could take one one of these types of contracts in return for a draft pick (which is easier to get from a team thats ‘going for it now’)
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
yes
and then get fined by the league for doing so!
wins all the way around….
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
guess so
just seems odd that a team would swallow 80% of paying the bum to play, only to cough up a draft pick right at the finish line, in exchange for paying the final 20%
i’m just trying to think of comparables from recent years.
well there would be something going back, say Poni or Stempniak or whateve
say, Poni for Sopel and a 2nd (quick non-likly example)
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I say shut it down. No sense is trying to come back and play in meaningless games if there’s the chance of further injury. Stop playing, get surgery if necessary, and start the rehabilitation sooner rather than later. It’s all about next season now.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
this is a case of the olympics being more important to RW and Burke than the Leafs. If he wasn’t on the US roster, I doubt we’d even be having this discussion
“Our first priority with Mike is, ’what are we doing to get him back to play for the Leafs?”
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dumb question but if we trade kaberle who runs the PP with Phaneuf? (if you say Gunnar, who runs the second one then?)
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
maybe stepniak/beuchemin
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
i bet Beauch
but stemp is a good option.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lately Schenn has been getting some PP time. Him paired with Beauchemin wouldn’t be bad at all.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
except
he gets the yipps on the PP and coughs up the puck.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
and he wont get any better at it if he doesnt get the practice
better now in a lost season than later
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
CP reporter Zings Jason Blake
From Chris Johnston
@reporterchris So Jason Blake says he hasn’t smiled so much in 3 years. Guess he forgot that he chose Toronto as a UFA and never performed to his contract.
Where’s the Oh Snap! gif?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
heh.
Blake could just be referring to the Cancer scared and how the media was on him to perform right away despite having something like that to overcome.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
or the fact that he can be terrible in obscurity now
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
you mean this one?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
i like this tweet of his
Good point. Phaneuf deal reminds me of the one SJ made to get Thornton — role players for upside.
lets hope this works out for us the way the Big Joe trade worked for the sharks
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
First round exits?
Join me on the Hockey Blog Adventure! (or Twitter.) GO BRUINS! (and Wild!)
by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 2, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
PLAYOFFS!!!!1
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in class right now
and some moron is talking with another moron really idiodically about the trades, it still surprises me how naive a lot of Leaf fans are. He is basically debating with himself about who we should sign: Marleau or Kovalchuk (and talking as if getting one is a given). I want to punch his face.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
tell him he is a fucking moron and there is no way the leafs can afford either player
and that its obvious the Leafs are going to trade for Rick Nash
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
One of them keeps looking over at me because I’m wearing my jersey. They are also bashing Komisarek and !!! LOL! one just informed the other one that XLB gave up his number, which was responded to with “he had the number PhanOOf wanted? I didn’t even think of that!” And now they are talking about how good of a deal Kaberle’s deal is, and how Ian White is underrated,,, holy omg I really want to cut my ears off.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
ask them if they have an origional opinion that they didnt steal from teh Star
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's silly
They obviously don’t read
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 2, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
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