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Maple Leafs v. Devils: The True Dawning of the Brian Burke Era

Ian White, Jason Blake, Niklas Hagman, Matt Stajan, Jamal Mayers, and Vesa Toskala; Old and Busted

Dion Phaneuf, Fredrik Sjostrom, Keith Aulie, and Jean-Sebastien Giguere; New Hotness

"Newcomers to the Maple Leafs! Tonight is the night of nights. Today, as you read this, you are en route to the great adventure for which you have trained for nearly two days." - Colonel Robert Sink; June 5th, 1944; paraphrased

Third only to opening night against Montreal and Phil Kessel's first game wearing the Leaf; tonight's game against New Jersey is the most anticipated game of the season. Tonight is the Maple Leafs debut of former Conn Smythe winner Jean-Sebastien Giguere, former Norris Trophy candidate Dion Phaneuf, and PK specialist Fredik Sjostrom.

Tonight is the true dawning of the Brian Burke era in Toronto.

(Follow me after the jump for a whole lot of analysis and speculation)

Star-divide

When Burke took over the Leafs back in November of 2008 (has it really been that long?), the Maple Leafs were a team full of terrible contracts, pillow soft players, horrific goaltending, and zero studs.  Fast-forward to Sunday afternoon and you find a wholly different Toronto Maple Leafs: The only bad contract still on the books belongs to Jeff Finger; the blueline is patrolled by Luke Schenn, Mike Komisarek, and Francois Beauchemin; Conn Smythe Trophy winner Jean-Sebastien Giguere stands between the pipes; and former Norris Trophy candidate Dion Phaneuf is now the hottest thing in Toronto since sliced bread. If you're not starting to feel the slightest bit optimistic about the future of the Leafs, then you need to check your pulse.

Somewhat lost in all this fervor  is the fact that the Leafs currently sit in 15th place in the East, and tonight play the team currently ranked 2nd in the New Jersey Devils. Seeing as how this is a Game Preview, I should probably start dissecting tonight's game.

Let's start with the opposition New Jersey Devils

Even though they currently sit in 2nd, the Devils have gone 3-6-1 in their last 10 games. This is almost as bad as the Leafs record of 2-6-2 in their last 10; the only difference between the two teams being the Devils' OT win against the Leafs last Friday. The biggest factor for this slump has been a distinct lack of offense.

In their last 10 games, the Devils have scored 2 or fewer goals 7 times; one of those games being a 2-0 win over Florida. When the Devils have score more than 2 goals however, they've only lost twice all season; a 6-4 loss to Phoenix three weeks ago, and a 5-3 loss to Dallas way back in November. This of course can be attributed to a league best 2.22 GA/G average and the stellar play of Brodeur. So rather than focusing on goal scoring; the Leafs will need to prevent them if this wish to win tonight. If the Devils tally 3 goals, you might as well change the channel as the game will be all but over.

Or will it? After having written the entire game preview I checked Twitter and saw this wonderful news via @jonas640:

No Brodeur tonight. Yann Danis gets the start for Jersey.

Tonight will be only the 4th time that Danis has gotten the start for the Devils, and only the 8th time all season that he's stepped in between the pipes. In his 3 previous starts (all before December) he won 2 and got yanked after the 1st period in the other. With only 112 shots faced all season, he's stopped 105 of them good for a .938 save%. Oh and his GAA is just 1.69.  fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu........  Honestly his sample size is too small for these numbers to be truly representative of his talent.  Hopefully the Maple Leafs know that as well.

This should be the Devils' starting lineup courtesy of Daily Faceoff:

Parise - Zajac - Zubrus
Rolston - McAmmond - Langenbrunner
Pandolfo - Niedermayer - Davis
Zharkov - Pelley - Bergfors

Salvador - Greene
Mottau - White
Oduya - Fraser

Danis
Brodeur

And now the hero Toronto Maple Leafs

Thank God for the Edmonton Oilers.  Without them the Maple Leafs would be the worst team in the NHL this year. Seriously, we suck.  Mercifully though, it appears as though Brian Burke is finally starting to build the team he wants.  Sunday's blockbuster trades saw a full 30% of the Maple Leafs who played last week get moved to Anaheim and Calgary.  30%! That's monumental!  What is also monumental is that those players who were traded accounted for 40% of the Maple Leafs offense so far this season.  That's a lot of offense to see leave.

But offense was not where the Maple Leafs have been having trouble. Defense, goaltending, and penalty killing have been the bane of the Buds this year.  And the players acquired on Saturday should definitely help those areas.  Phaneuf is a straight up defensive stud; JSG is a former goaltending stud who has had a rough season and looks to return to his past glory; and Freddy Sjostrom is a hard nosed PK specialist.  Like it or not, these three players need to make a big impact in tonight's game to avoid being called trade busts in tomorrow's papers.  Because of that, I'm giving each of them an assignment. Complete the task, and they'll instantly win over the fans and media.

Dion Phaneuf: You need to lay a humongous open ice hit on somebody tonight. I don't care who it is, as long as it's clean.  You done it before so hopefully this jogs your memory.

Jean-Sebastien Giguere: You need to outduel Martin Brodeur Yann Danis. No easy task I know. But if you come away with a victory over the greatest other goalie ever tonight, you'll be headlining every Toronto paper in the morning. (fixed)

Fredrik Sjostrom: Don't be on the ice for a goal during the PK. Simple as that.

With the loss of so many players, former healthy scratch Rickard Wallin is playing tonight, as is Christian Hanson who just got called up from the Marlies.  Expect to see a lot of Marlies players get a shot with the Leafs between now and the end of the season. Especially Viktor Stalberg, Tim Brent, and Andre Deveaux.  It's all about looking ahead to the future now.

Tonight's lines and defensive pairings

Ponikarovsky - Bozak - Kessel
Mitchell - Hanson - Stempniak
Kulemin - Wallin - Sjostrom
Orr - Primeau - Rosehill

Beauchemin - Phaneuf
Kaberle - Schenn
Gunnarson - Exelby

Giguere
Gustavsson

Tonight is huge. Really huge. The Leafs need a win more than anything to avoid the media scorn that would surely ensue should they lose. Remember your SPG picks (Kessel, Phaneuf, Kessel repeat for all three periods and OT) and as always, GO LEAFS GO!

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How do i put into words how I feel right now….

excited?

by birky on Feb 2, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Tell me about it.

I’ve had a massive erection for the past 51 hours, I can’t wait for tonight.

"I will take the subway - we were on the subway last night...I'm not above riding the subway or riding on a bus, I don't care. As long as people don't hit me." --Ron Wilson

by Jo4nny on Feb 2, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Who needs a coat hanger anymore?

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i think you’re supposed to call a doctor after 4….

Is that the kid you want?

by kessticle on Feb 2, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

pride?

no, not that far from shame.

less shame?

let’s go with….

hope.

It’s a powerful thing

by pevans on Feb 2, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope!

Thank you Prometheus!

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

any time

you can bastardize quotes from The Simpsons and Shawshank Redemption, I’m going to go there.

PLAYOFFS!!!1

by pevans on Feb 2, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

great post

i believe that the leafs will win now that broduer is not playing, prediction leafs win 3-1. love the quote from Colonel Sink from WWII and the TV MINI-SERIES BAND OF BROTHERS

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Totally.

It’s also at the opening of Medal of Honor: Frontline. Best game ever.

Proud supporter of Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.

by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 2, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Woo! GO LEAFS GO!!!

Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!

by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

wait a sec?

how can Giguerre out-duel Brodeur when he’s facing Danis?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Brodeur is going to come in relief of Danis?

Space Weed Says (Insert Generic quote about blog here)
"DO NOT get stuck behind Kyle Wellwood in the buffet line. This isn't really etiquette, but it will prevent you from starving to death"- Down Goes Brown on Etiquette for Jason Spezza's wedding

by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 2, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

very easily!

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Danis gets pulled in 2nd period

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

see note about already having written the entire post before Danis got the nod

*goes to fix article. grumble grumble.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

fix the “janked” as well… ;)

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He still has to outduel Brodeur. Brodeur is going to allow 0 goals tonight!

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

haha,

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa

You are officially on previews until Chemmy comes back!

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

promotion!

Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!

by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

With no raise! Sweet!

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Severely reduced salary for everybody!!

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 2, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yah really excellent work skinnyfish, until I checked the top I just assumed this had been penned by PPP.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Feb 2, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

All the responsibility. None of the power and definitely none of the pay.

Just like my job, in fact.

"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer

by article1 on Feb 2, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bad News: The four Leafs playing centre tonight (Wallin, Hanson, Bozak and Primeau) have combined for 3 goals this entire season

The Good News: There’s potential here for massive productivity gains. If the Leaf centres score three goals between them they’ll have doubled their entire seasonal output in a single game.

The Devils would have to score 58 goals tonight to match that type of productivity. Zajac may be on a hot streak, but frankly, I don’t see that happening.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

The Devils would have to score 58 goals tonight to match that type of productivity. Zajac may be on a hot streak, but frankly, I don’t see that happening.

Toskala is really gone, right? Okay, then I agree that this won’t happen.

Also: Who the fuck is Tim Brent?

jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)

by jrwendelman on Feb 2, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he’s the boss from The Office (v. Brit)

by Its Cold In Here on Feb 2, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MAKE THAT JOKE.

"We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into Iraq"
- Major Mike Shearer

by article1 on Feb 2, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

For the last time, will someone please tell me WHO THE FUCK IS TIM BRENT?

I am Mikhail Grabovski's smirking revenge.

by kidkawartha on Feb 2, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

Beat junior by a full minute. Ha.

I am Mikhail Grabovski's smirking revenge.

by kidkawartha on Feb 2, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

LOOK, I’M TRYING TO GET SOME WORK DONE HERE…

jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)

by jrwendelman on Feb 2, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s this guy

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He even looks a bit like one of the other guys from The Office.

by Its Cold In Here on Feb 2, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wondering

When did Phaneuf become a defensive stud instead of a liability who occasionally flattens someone? Sometime Sunday I’m guessing?

by Its Cold In Here on Feb 2, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

dont forget his massive PP shot that will score many Leaf goals for now and forever uhuhuhuhuhuhuh!

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

roughly speaking, yes.

ironically “roughly” is how Phaneuf talks.

YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

truculence. YAAAAAAA!

by pevans on Feb 2, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a career +19, and that’s with a -11 season last year; his only year not in the positive.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

do like…

...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...

by El Monstruo on Feb 2, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Phaneuf’s in the middle third among D-men in GAON60 (and that’s in front of Kipper). His rate puts him behind both Beauchemin and Komisarek – who’s stats are most certainly skewed by playing in front of Vesa “879 sv%” Toskala.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

When did Phaneuf become a defensive stud instead of a liability who occasionally flattens someone?

About the same time that Stajan became a legit #1 centre in Calgary and White went from future Leaf captain to a guy who’s peaked.

Oh and for your records, after two years of being a below average goalie, you should now that Giguere is once again a Conn Smythe, Stanley Cup winning goalie.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

your’e goddamn right

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

and Taylor Hall is going to score 50 goals a season and the Leafs will build through the draft perfectly (making no bad picks, because that never happens).

I understand you are bitter mf, but is there anything you like about this current team?

by birky on Feb 2, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d bug Bitter more but he tends to be right.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s what scares me the most.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

NEW BEGINNINGS, OLD STATS MEAN NOTHING NOW!

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Old stats only mean something when we can use them to project that Kulemin will be the next Dustin Brown.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

are you teasing me now?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

No, poor Steve and I got into one night in a post-game thread because he said Kulemin projects out as Brown and I responded that all of his posted projections always have young Leafs turning into big name players.

It was all cool in the end though, he and I just have very different ways of communicating.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

those are interesting threads, i like following along.
I’m not sure that Kulemin is going to be like Brown, so many Brown’s best points are his intangibles.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

To quote Bull Durham:

How come in former lifetimes, everybody is someone famous? How come nobody ever says they were Joe Schmo?

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i’ve always claimed to be a player to be named later.

by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 2, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

zing

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Feb 2, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Because that’s not how it works!

Proud supporter of Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.

by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 2, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, when stats are our friends, they mean everything
when they make us sad they are irrelevant!

duh!

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

EXTREME POSITIVITY FTW!

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I not knocking his intelligence. I just don’t remember the last time I heard him say anything positive about this team. I’m pessimistic by nature, but I have limits.

by birky on Feb 2, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand you are bitter mf, but is there anything you like about this current team?

No.

Gustavsson is middling. Giguere is washed up and carries a horrific cap hit.

Komi is hurt, Beauchemin is ok, Kaberle is tradebait, Phaneuf is overrated and overpaid, Schenn should be in the minors, XLB is garbage, Finger is future-waiver fodder. Gunnarsson has promise but is just as likely to be the next Berehowsky, Ware, Benning, Kronwall, Dempsey, Nylund, Pilar or Tremblay, as he is a half-way decent d-man.

Remember when Stralman was the next Lidstrom? How’d that work out for everybody?

Up front, the team’s five centres have combined for six goals.

Stempniak is as good as gone and the great white hope Kessel is on pace for 27 goals with his shooting % down 50%. Mitchell has regreessed to the point where he’s barely replacement level. Bozak, Hanson and Stalberg should all be on the Marlies playing 20+ minutes a night not stuck in this sh*thow with no supporting cast. Rosehill will be a footnote and Orr plays about four minutes a night.

That Kulemin kid plays some nice hockey though.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

so mf, you only like kulemin. thats what your saying, and the rest is average at best

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like Kaberle, but the way Burke has assembled the team I don’t see many scenarios where Kabs sticks around.

Gustavsson has potential, but fans are awfully quick to build them up and tear them down.

Would love to see what Bozak, Hanson and Stalberg can do NEXT year.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot Poni, and how adorable he is

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I like Poni too. There’s a guy I’d love for the Leafs to deal at the deadline and then re-sign next July.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

so

in your mind, the team will never be any good, never make the playoffs and always have a below average goalie

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Not never, just not with these players.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

What PPP said.

I’ve been a Leaf fan for 35+ years and I can’t imagine NOT being a fan. This is my team. I want them to succeed.

I don’t think they’ll get a sniff of the playoffs until 2012.

They have way too many holes to fill up-front and goaltending remains a big question mark.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

but there is so much change next year i mean with all that cap space they……

never mind

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not Mr. Optimism either, but man

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 2, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Must be tough to be the voice of reason sometimes. You must look at all our optimistic predictions and ifs and maybes and just shake your head.

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what old people do ;)

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I over-react at times.

I know fans like to be optimistic and they want to see the good in all of these guys, but it just amazes me how quickly people don’t see things once a leaf logo goes on it.

Giguere has 16 wins in his last 50 starts and a huge number of those games he let in 4+ goals. Guy has struggled for almost two full seasons, has been in trouble over the size of his gear already and the goalie gear gets smaller again next year. His sv% was 38th last year and 37th this year (I may have those flipped).

You look at the direction those arrows are pointing and it seems pretty clear that he’s a salary dump and a b-level goalie.

I don’t mean to be a pessimist, I don’t mean to strip the fun out of it for anyone, but if folks are going to claim Phaneuf is a defensive stud, they might want to check his numbers first. They might also want to ask themselves why he was made available for a bucket of spare parts.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Phaneuf was replaced by Bouwmeester.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Whenever Phaneuf plays against strong competition he gets eaten alive. He’s no shut-down guy and has never been. The first few seasons he was really sheltered and played the soft parade. As he got more exposed, he put up worse numbers on both sides of the puck.

 I’ll see if I can’t pull some of the better links on this.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I remember seeing how sheltered he was in his first year. I never really bought into the hype about him, I preferred Weber.
But Bouwmeester isn’t a shut down guy either, he provides offense, and having both him and Phaneuf on the roster was prohibitive. I think they were playing Phaneuf with Regehr most of the season in Calgary and it was not working well at all.
I’m OK with Phaneuf not being a great shut down guy – right now we have Komisarek and, hopefully, Schenn can develop into that type of defenseman as well. I hope Phaneuf will be like McCabe was at his best, only since we gave up bit parts for him and his massive contract, we won’t turn on him like we did on McCabe.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

we won’t turn on him like we did on McCabe.

Put those words on a brass plaque and wait…

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We won’t turn on him for at least a week.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Feb 2, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

so true. We turn quickly. Look how fast people were getting on Kessel during his slump. Most people thought with his injury to open the season he’d be lucky to hit 20 goals. He comes in ablaze and suddenly people demand 50!

Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!

by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there’s a fine line between “optimism” and “projection”

When guys don’t play as fans had projected (see Blake, Jason; Toskala, Vesa; Murphy, Larry) the fans tend to get restless.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

well Toskala played even worse than I think anyone could’ve projected.
Blake was miscast and the fans believed he was something he was not.
Murphy, I don’t remember.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I do.

Murphy was widely believed by the faithful at MLG to be washed up and useless. He had definitely slowed down a bit, but was never a fast skater in the first place. His game was to make an amazing stretch pass to hit the forward flying through the centre and voila, offence. Problem was, Leafs had no “forward flying through the centre”, hence no pass and no offence. The fans blamed it on him and almost literally booed him out of town.

He went to Detroit and played a pretty key role in their Cup winning team that year. Lesson: there are lots of people who follow hockey in Toronto, but not all of them know what they’re talking/booing about.

jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)

by jrwendelman on Feb 2, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

well

I know the story, but it’s different from experiencing it yourself.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

his tale makes the disapproval of McCabe seem minor

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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I was there in the grays wondering WTF – and you have to remember, you young whippersnappers, that this was back before the Internet so we didn’t have places like this to come talk about it. As a real fan, you had to hope that your buddies were interested in thinking critically about things instead of just regurgitating the opinions the papers told us to have. It’s a bit of a sore spot with me how that all turned out.

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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

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by jrwendelman on Feb 2, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

ooooh that would indeed suck. I would find it absolutely unbearable being a Leafs fan this year without this place.
Of course, without the internet, I may also have had less media exposure, leading to less frustration in the first place…

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If you were in Toronto back then you’d likely have read 3 or 4 sports pages a day and consistently thought about sending letters to the editor.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly, I often wonder if, without the internet, I would’ve been able to break my addiction to the Toronto Media’s “kool-aid”
Were it not for From the Rink, I might still be unable to form my own opinions on hockey players.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe it or not, I had a crappy Leafs blog back then too on an istar.ca domain.

I ran a “who is the worst all-time Leaf” poll and I think Murphy came in second behind Mike Craig.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, at least the right guy won…wait, what? That reminds me of the “Book of Lists” from the 70s (you may remember this, mf37) – there was one list for the “Most Evil Person in History” according to Americans. Adolf Hitler took that honour, but only barely – just ahead of Jimmy Carter.

You had a blog on an istar domain in 1995? Dude, I think you need to know that this fact may very well, on it’s own, qualify you for “super nerd” status :-)

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by jrwendelman on Feb 2, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

There was too an internet....

alt.fans.hockey.torontomapleleafs or whatever it was. I was posting there…. :)

I always thought they should have booed Schneider.

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by 1967ers on Feb 2, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

what year was this around?

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

’94 or thereabouts

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by 1967ers on Feb 2, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

1994 was my first year on the internet

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was 11, I was part of the gifted kids (har har) group in my school district and we traveled to Bowling Green State University on a field trip to be among the first kids from our town to get onto “The Internet”. I spent the day looking at Simpsons stuff.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

My company got a net connection in ’94 or ’95. We had to learn UNIX string commands to use it.

Believe it or not, there was a “map” of the internet in the room where our connected terminals were. Looked like a crazed solar system with “planets” of telnet addresses, gopher sites, etc.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i went to a gifted kids camp at utm in grade 6 or 7

i remember sending an email to someone else in the room and thinking it was the coolest thing evr.

i then proceeded to use the rest of the hour making the plans of a TNG theme park in whatever was the then-equivalent of MSpaint.
By which i mean i drew the Enterprise blowing up some dirty romulans with lots of esplosions.

by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 2, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

See above – stand in the super nerd corner with mf37, please. :-)

You’re right, of course, that the Internet existed. It’s just that sites like this one hadn’t come along. Usenet groups were a special kind of hell, I thought.

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by jrwendelman on Feb 2, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Blake had a single outlier year that he turned into a big contract. If anyone went through his shooting percentages they would have spotted it.

It was one of the things that worried me (and worries me still) about Kessel.

Murphy was a Cup winning pure offensive d-man that came to Toronto and was used in a shut-down role. He stunk at it, the fans turned on him and booed him mercilessly. Made the McCabe years seem like child’s play.

He went to Detroit for futures (nothing in the end), was used as an offensive d-man and made a big contribution to their cup win.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but Kessel was 21 with his outlier year, and Blake was, what, 32?
I think so far in Toronto, I’ve learned that Kessel is not the sniper I thought he was, and is better at making his teammates look good than I ever expected.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The larger point about Kessel’s shooting % was that his breakthrough year was a one-off. It’s not necessarily something that should be counted on or that may be improved upon.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. But I look at him in far more general terms – is he really a goal scorer or could he be a more rounded player?

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

for instance, Pierre McGuire thinks he’s a combo of Hull/LaFontaine.
I don’t think you can compare him to Hull at all. I’m not familiar enough with LaFontaine to really compare. But what, really, is his ceiling?

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he can be a routine 30 goal 50 assist guy.

His lack of physicality is troubling though. Dude doesn’ t like the rough stuff. Good thing the playoffs are a few years away, hopefully he can get a power forward to play with.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If so, a 30 goal 50 assist guy is nothing to sneeze at. Those numbers are, dare I say it, Sundin-esque.

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by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely. There’s no doubt Kessel has talent, the challenge will be getting him quality team mates.

Just like Sundin’s Leaf years.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s that comparative look at Blake’s shooting percentages. I posted this at PPP two years ago…

See if you can spot a pattern (or identify the career outlier):

2000 3.7%
2001 5.5%
2002 5.9%
2003 9.9%
2004 9.1%
2006 9.2%
2007 13.1%
2008 4.5%
2009 4.2%

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

dayummmmm

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

if he had dropped back to his 03-06 numbers, he’d still be here and probably be thought of as a decent player and just maybe slightly overpaid

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by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine if he had just stuck to his 9.0% – 9.9%…

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he’d be a steady 25-30 goal scorer.

Averaged ~300 shots a year.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, what I see there

is a steady upward progression:
3.7 < 5.5 < 9.9 (blip) >.91 < 9.2 <13.1

At this point you look at him and say "well he started off slow, but he’s grown up to four consecutive years of 9+ % shooting, averaging just over 10%. There’s no reason not to think you don’t have a reasonable player there, even if his last years WAS a bit of an outlier.

For him to IMMEDIATELY crash back to being as bad as he was in his first year in the league is just bizarre.

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by Wan Ihite on Feb 2, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I am writing a blog post

for Saturday, which will give Dion a few ideas for what he could do against the SNES to have us NEVER turn on him, no matter how bad he ends up being. :)

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by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

All he needs to do is work up a number 6 Mark Bell on Alfredsson.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This is one of the suggestions, though there are many other people that Dion could Phaneuf to earn our undying respect.

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s Tie Domi’s hit, not Mark Bells. Thanks for trying though.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This:

JIMP!

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

well see

i agree with you, im going to compare it with the NFL, when the washington redskins make a move like this past season the team was horrible and fans were pissed so theyu wanted the coach head so they stopped going to non-important games so at the end of the season we hired mike shanhan and now everybody is happy just because he will be coaching with the washington redskins as the head coach

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I can handle the basketball references, in fact, I welcome them… but please, lets limit the NFL mentions…

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by El Monstruo on Feb 2, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

All valid concerns. I hope they don’t come to reality but it doesn’t make sense to ignore them completely.

Comes down to people’s preferred outlook on things. I prefer to look for the positives and focus on those. It often means I get burned by the negatives, but that’s the way it is. Others’ approaches may vary.

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by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed, I, myself am aware of what probably will happen (negativity) but enjoy the delusion that there might be something great salvaged from moves like the Phaneuf or giggy deals.
and then i take satisfaction that it cant really get much worse

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry i didn’t say this earlier (busy here at work)…

I know you’re just trying to temper expectations, but sometimes it seems to be overkill. There isn’t whole lot in Leafdom to be happy about these days. Sometimes I think it’s ok to be overly optimistic.

by birky on Feb 2, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Whereas I think it’s overkill to think Giguere will turn it around or that Phaneuf is suddenly going to find a defensive game.

Again, to me, that’s what makes this community great: it’s not a monoculture or an echo-chamber.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I love the discussion here. I’m not trying to single you out or call you a jerk or anything, so please don’t take it that way.

by birky on Feb 2, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Group hug?

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t hug.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Group spoon?

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

fork?

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by Wan Ihite on Feb 2, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Spork?

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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 2, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

But tell us how you REALLY feel :)

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That Kulemin kid plays some nice hockey though.

So there IS at least one thing that you do like about this current leafs team!?

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by El Monstruo on Feb 2, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Kadri holds some promise. Really interested to see how Bozak, Hanson and Stalberg develop. Glad to see they got Aulie in the CGY trade too.

By and large, since JFJ came along I’ve been relegated to cheering for laundry.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that having Aulie as a potential future shut-down guy can make up for Dion’s lack of defensive reliability. If Schenn gets his game back, those two will be a great defensive tandem, especially once Komi and Beach are gone.

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by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than that, though, I freaking love this team!

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by 1967ers on Feb 2, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. Wearing my Hackey Night In Canada shirt as I type this.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Arg! I’m still waiting for mine in the mail!

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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

His new Bettman design is out of this world good.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

he does good work. my t-shirt collection scares my fiancee so if I keep buying these, I’ll lose others!

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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

oh that is outstanding work!

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by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

1 in a Million

“So you’re saying there’s a chance….”

by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 2, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

also, giggy has only been average for a season and a half!

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

and is he was displaced as the ducks number 1 goalie by hiller and his gaa has skyrocketed in that year and a half. but he is not as bad as turco in dallas, so maybe he can regain his top form

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This new Leafs team is also undefeated :)

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

very true.

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Some behind the net data

Giguerer 5 on 5 stats 08-09

  • Goals For On/60 – 2.63
  • Goals Against On/60 – 2.54
  • GF Off/60 – 2.24
  • GA Off/60 – 2.99
  • Shots for On/60 – 24.5
  • Shots Against On/60 – 27.2
  • Misses for On/60 – 10.6
  • Misses Against On/60 – 10.9
  • SF Off/60 -33.9
  • SA Off/60 – 20.9
  • MF Off/60 – 17.2
  • MA Off/60 – 7.2

Curious, it looks to me like Anaheim played much better defensively when Jiggy was off the ice, yet, at even strength, Jiggy’s GAA is better…

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I have discovered that Jiggy is one of the few players I simply cannot be objective about. I love him so much. Which surprises me.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s to like?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 2, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

not your face

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was 2004 when I was impressed by him taking a team to the SCF on his own.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean 2003.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 2, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

some time back when i was in university, yeah

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a jerk.
ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) — Anaheim’s Jean-Sebastien Giguere had his playoff shutout streak stopped at 217 minutes, 54 seconds — the longest since 1951 — when Minnesota’s Andrew Brunette scored 4:37 into the game Friday night.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 2, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s awesome.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i kind of sided with mf on this “washed up/mediocre” angle, but his 5 on 5 stats look pretty good to me.

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the best example is Vesa Toskala this summer. There was a lot of debate about the big post I wrote about how terrible Toskala is and there was a lot of hope that things would break the right way. They didn’t.

That’s basically Giguere. He’s been below average for a year and a half and people are hoping that being re-united with Allaire can arrest and reverse that slide. We all hope that but things point towards it not happening.

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

even being average will get us through this year and next… but yeah, he’s not the solution to being competative.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

We all said we wanted .910sv% goaltending and for some reason we’re excited by Giguere’s .900sv%.

Losing makes for ugly expectations.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s a huge step up on .875

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Joey Mac’s .892 was a big step up on Toskala and he doesn’t carry a $6M cap hit.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but for whatever reason, Burke wasn’t going to bury Toskala in the minors and risk exposing Joey Mac to waivers.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

But .900sv% isn’t average. He has to put up about .915sv% to be average.

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought .905 was average?

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

NHL.com is being a pain but I think top 15 of starters is a lot higher than the average of all goalies.

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Here are the goalie sv% for the league. Drop out the guys that have played less than 30 games and average is around .910.

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hrm.
I don’t like doubting Jiggy.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

games played and minutes played matter. Some of these guys like Brodeur and Miller skew the average just as much as backups with a good game or two…

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Feb 2, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel the same way, I think its just because of the similarities of his coming here to Cujo and Belfour: Old, were once world-class, on a bit of a downswing, etc, etc. Obviously Giggy has done a lot worse recently than they ever did (minus Cujo’s last year), but still, its cool bringing in a guy like this.

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by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i am very nervous bout having Primeau in the line-up

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

explain

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I am more nervous about the Komisarek news that will likely come tomorrow…

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by El Monstruo on Feb 2, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

sense, you arn’t making it

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think I’ve been this excited since opening night. Just sayin’.

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

ditto. this is even more exciting than the Kessel intro

Is that the kid you want?

by kessticle on Feb 2, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

except, remember how at that time, we were excited to see what Gustavsson had to offer? Oh, how young we were.

Over-rating Monster = old and busted
Over-rating Phaneuf = new hotness

On the other hand, WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOO!!!!!1

by pevans on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

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by PPP on Feb 2, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Might this be the first time...

“exciting” and “the New Jersey Devils” were used in the same sentence?

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

primeau has not played up to snuff lately and i dont trust him in the lineup. if anything he needs to be more any of distrubtaior on that 4th line, in 40 games 6 points-2 goals and 4 dimes and 26 pentaly minutes

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

i had to re-read to understand that 2nd sentence.

Is that the kid you want?

by kessticle on Feb 2, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry bout the spelling my bad

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

primeau isnt here to score goals, he is here to be a shut down player, which he is doing a pretty good job at.

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed. i haven’t found that line to be the problem.

Is that the kid you want?

by kessticle on Feb 2, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

but wouldnt you like to see some production out of him in some circumstanes?

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

of course, but that would be icing, its not his job so any offense would be a bonus, I dont expect Schenn or Gustavsson to score either but if they did it would be nice

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

what the hell’s a dime?

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

a dime is called a assist in basketball terms, so i decided to use a basketball term to describe the assists

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep basketball out of my hockey.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

sorry, i just watched a replay of the last lakers game and i had dime on the brain

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Psht – don’t let him bully you. DIMES FOR ALL.

by Fergus30 on Feb 2, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What's a dime?

about $10 worth…

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

mmm

oregeno

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

no

i meant basketball term for assist

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

uh huh… sure you did!

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by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

who wins tonight?

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

batman

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I read it as Bettman first… /shiver

...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...

by El Monstruo on Feb 2, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

no, superman

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

superman is dead

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

As a kid I always wondered why someone didn’t just shoot superman with bullets made out of kryptonite.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The original comics didn`t even have kryptonite. Then they realized how boring they were.

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Original comics? How old do you think I am?

Also, I didn’t know that about kryptonite. I figured it had always been part of the superman myth.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Also...

Superman is a jerk. Just sayin`.

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Superman wore glasses? That’s like the best disguise EVER. No wonder nobody ever figured it out.

Sort of like Prince Adam and He-Man.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Feb 2, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That is pretty jerky, tho’.

12c – early 60s?

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by 1967ers on Feb 2, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a better one of him abandoning Lois as she gets stuck marrying some crazy villain, but I haven’t found it… yet.

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

As a kid I always wondered why someone didn’t just shoot superman with bullets made out of kryptonite.

Because he was faster than a speeding bullet.

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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 2, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sniper rifle with a silencer and you could take him out.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

super hearing can hear a silencer! or at least the trigger being pulled

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

this is why I hate superman, he is omnipotent… boring!!!

...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...

by El Monstruo on Feb 3, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I read that in the Christian Bale super low Batman voice.

Made it super-awesome.

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

what bout the terminator voice, cuz thats the same one, what bout the blow up voice he had on the set of that waste of a movie

by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Did not see the new Terminator. As such, the Terminator voice for me will forever be angry and Austrian.

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m officially gettin giggy wit it lol

by Blue and White Expat on Feb 2, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

Yes I'm a geek

This is from my Leafs web-page back in 1997. It’s the results of an all-time worst Leaf poll (67 total votes – couldn’t believe I got that many readers back in the day).

The way-back archive has the original page here. Fair warning, it takes forever to load

Larry Murphy 20
Mike Craig 14
Brandon Convrey 3
Paul Higgins 3
John Kordic 3
Harold Ballard 2
Don Beaupre 2
Glenn Anderson 1
Norm Aubin 1
Mike Bullard 1
Wendel Clark 1
Jiri Crha 1
Brian Curran 1
Jim Dorey 1
Tie Domi 1
Dave Dunn 1
Mike Krushelnyski 1
Jamie Macoun 1
Kevin Maguire 1
Fredrik Modin 1
Sergio Momesso 1
Kirk Muller 1
Mike Murphy 1
Rich Sutter 1
Steve Stavro 1
Mats Sundin 1
Ken Yaremchuk 1

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

someone voted for Mats Sundin??

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you tracked down whoever voted for Mats and beat him, ala Jay and Silent Bob (Strike Back).

I love that my comment about Phaneuf touched off a firestorm of loathsome comments about the team.

by Its Cold In Here on Feb 2, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

what no Jonas Hoglund?Too early? Doh!

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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 2, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have voted for Baupre. He’s about as far back as I can remember for hating someone because of a combination of suckiness and who we gave up for them.

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by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only did someone vote for Mats Sundin.

but someone voted for fucking WENDEL CLARK.

WENDEL MOTHERFUCKING CLARK

by Huey2k2 on Feb 2, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe it or not, Clark was a pretty polarizing Leaf by the end of his tenure (as was Gilmour). He was supposed to go to Pittsburgh for a first round pick, but somehow the deal got scuttled.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s like the opposite of GW Bush.

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by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You had to be there through all the tumult. Clark had three go ’rounds with the Leafs.

Gilmour’s departure was UGLY. I’m amazed at how that one has been glossed over.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

All I remember about Gilmour leaving is that I was a kid and I cried a lot.

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He’d demand a trade, rescind the demand. There were all these closed door meetings. The team claimed it was all a ploy by Gilmour and his agent to get a bigger contract.

It was a two month soap opera of will he stay or will he go all amplified by horrible on-ice play.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, some of those names take me back.

I have no idea who Dave Dunn is.

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by stucky on Feb 2, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Beauty. I’ve always wanted to find out more about Paul Higgins’ time in TO…years ago I read a Ballard biography which painted his time on the ice as the supreme clusterfuck, but haven’t been able to find anything outside of the bare stats since then.

by Grabovski's better than you think on Feb 2, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Another old (depressing) post

Posted in 1998 (I think?) it’s from about 4 games after the Gilmour deal

The Leafs are now one of the youngest clubs in the league. Their payroll has been shrunk by nearly $11 million dollars. Management said after the trade deadline that it was a new season for the Leafs, and in this new season the club is 1 – 3 – 1.

After losing to the Blackhawks just prior to the trade dealine, Coach Murphy said that the Leafs were going to clean house over the summer, get rid of guys who don’t compete. Against Phoenix on Thursday night there were nine rookies in the Leafs line up and the Leafs, after a shaky start did just that – compete. Personally, besides the solid play of the young Leaf defencement, the best sign of all was Mike Craig in the press box.

If the Leafs are to have a promising future with this group of players, management is going to have to hold on to their draft picks, and just as importantly – encourage the development of their young players, even if that means guys like McCauley, Tremblay, Posmyk, and D.J. Smith have to spend a season or so in St.John’s.

The acquisition of a few key free agents over the summer could go a long way to improving this club, but it is the future that the Leafs have to plan for now. Management needs to develop a solid five year plan that they won’t divert from. The club has to groom and develop their young players, not rush them along like they have in the past. If they can do this, life after Gilmour might be pretty sweet.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

but didn’t they go on a run of six straight seasons in the playoffs with 2 seasons?

by birky on Feb 2, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was posted in February or March of 1997.

The Leafs had one more terrible year under Mike Murphy, and then Quinn and Joseph arrived and the turn-around took off. They’d make the playoffs six years in a row, going to the conference finals twice.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

All whilst scuttling away the future?

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Made more sense at the time. The team was surprisingly good and had a real shot at success.

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by mf37 on Feb 2, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh totally, this is one of the ways in which the Salary Cap screwed larger market teams. We had always been operating under the assumption that we could just buy enough talent to compete, and didn’t need to worry about drafting and entry-level players etc.

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, Go LeafsDevelopmentSystem Go!!!

I can see why you are so bitter! I’m so glad I was only 10 at this time.

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is RW so obsessedw ith the Beauch?

Is he really playing that good? He’s always leading the team in minutes played, and is now on the first pairing ahead of Kabs.

by SPENCEMAN on Feb 2, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Pairings don’t mean much. Beauchemin will be put up against the Devils’ top line with Parise, and Kaberle will be paired with our top line.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the top two pairings for tonight are pretty much even, though his minutes are probably due to his ability to play them I would assume. I.e.: Komi is great, but can’t log 26-27 minutes a night, whereas Beach and Dion can.

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 2, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Beauch also seems to do best when he’s shadowing the top line of other teams. To do that you HAVE to put in top minutes.

Call me superstitious, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs do better when I'm drinking.

by seankelly on Feb 2, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Beauchemin has really stepped it up from the beginning of the year. Sans Komi, I’d say he’s our most reliable defenseman.

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by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction

The Devils lost to Phoenix 4-3 in that game three weeks ago.

But I’m quibbling. Looking forward to the Phaneuf-Beauchemin pairing.

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by John Fischer on Feb 2, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

it’ll be an interesting pairing. Maybe heart-stopping… they could allow a lot of chances.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 2, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hope Giguere’s up to it!

Man… that’s going to feel weird for a loooong time.

by koopa kid on Feb 2, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Given the way Sutter has made trades in the past, it’s highly likely, due entirely to weird hockey karma, that Phaneuf is going to begin reaching his full potential in Toronto. Maybe not this season, but next season I’m predicting 50-60 points with good defensive play. Enjoy him =D

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 2, 2010 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

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