Mortality My Old Friend, Nice to See You Again
So unless you haven't been following the Olympic hockey tournament, you know that Canada fell to the US by a score of 5-3 last night. This was largely in part due to Ryan Miller giving a better performance for Team USA than Martin Brodeur did for Team Canada. The consensus is that Roberto Luongo will be getting the next start against Germany.
Also last night in Olympic hockey, Sweden blanked rival Finland 3-0, and Russia best the Czechs 4-2. With the medal round over, the seeding are now known:
Russia faces the winner of Canada v. Germany;
Finland faces the winner of Czech v. Latvia;
Sweden face the winner of Slovakia v. Norway;
and USA faces the winner of Switzerland v. Belarus.
All four initial games will be played on Tuesday.
Team Canada should bounce back hard against a weak Team Germany and use it as a game to clear their heads of last night's loss before an epic quarterfinal showdown with Russia.
Enough of that though, on to some links:
Mikhail Grabovski gives a rare interview to Loser Domi talking his arrest among other things [Barry Melrose Rocks]
This gif pretty much sums up last night's game for Team Canada [Battle of Cali]
The End of the World is nigh [Black Dog Hates Skunks]
Canada's pride has taken a beating these games [Fourth Place Medal]
So what you're trying to say is that you don't like Ryan Miller? [Heroes in Rehab]
Looking at all the problems that have plague these Games [Down Goes Brown]
Taking a look at the hockey medal round [Mirtle]
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don't over-emphasize the loss.
The worst part (obviously) that Canada now has to go through the USSR, er the Russians to get to Gold. That’s as it should be. If you win Gold, you want to knwo that you beat the best. In most minds, that’s the Gold Medal game anyway.
My 2 cents on teh game (from an American perspective)
The US had no answer for Nash. That guy was awesome. Or Heatly for that matter. Brodeur was average, when he needed to be good. Team Canada D was terrible in the first period, too many turnovers by all-stars. I thought that Team Canada owned the 2nd period, tho Ryan Miller in an interview after the game thought differently.
Team Canada had no answer for little Sharp and Parise (thanks Canadian Dad!). None. To see Sharp come out of the corners and skate in their zone untouched was remarkable. Oh, and where was Kessel. NBC down here had a pregame interview with him and two other teammates, and man, I could have sworn his eyes were getting more and more sunken into his head. Constant scowl. Doesn’t the Leaf have a PR coach or sumthin’?
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The US has plenty of answers for Rick Nash. For example: I’m American and have also never scored a goal at the Olympics.
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Bahahahahaha.
In most minds, that’s the Gold Medal game anyway.
Double bahahahahaha. So much for “Own the Podium.” It’s now “Own the game that we decide is the most important ever even though the loser of it will not take home a medal in these Olympics despite both teams being the favorites for the real gold medal game and who cares that these two teams lost to the US and Slovakia respectively.”
by twoeightnine on Feb 22, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
slow down there turbo, nobody has won any medals yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Where did I say anyone has?
I’m not the one here saying that the Real Gold Medal Game® is now a quarterfinal game between Russia and Canada.
by twoeightnine on Feb 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
it was directed at the person who made that quote
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't sayin the Americans were gonna win a medal
simply saying that the Russian/Canadian game is THE game of the tourney, no matter what they’re playing for.
Get it?
I hate that I can't sign off with "bt" anymore.
The whole “Own the Podium” thing has very quickly become a sad sad joke.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
anyone who expected canada to own the podium is delusional.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I would also
blame CTV who are heavily advertising a number of Canadian athletes to be gold medal winners… before they’ve even started competing
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, did Paradis even crack the top 10?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he finished any of his races… he crashed and burned (literally) in every event I believe.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
well there is that crazy thing they were tough-ting
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, most of the Canadian athletes aren’t used to this kind of pressure especially on home turf… a lot of them are failing because they’re pushing themselves too far, a lot further then they need to be.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of speed skaters are burning out near the end of the race because of this.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
Yup, Hamelin’s a great example, everyone knows he doesn’t have the legs to lead an entire race but lo and behold he keeps on jumping out front from the get-go, everyone else just drafts behind him and pass him with two laps to go when he runs out of gas
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve been reading from a lot of atheletes – the woman skeleton-er and the ski cross guy – that rather than play it safe and get A medal, they pushed hard to get gold… and then failed miserably.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
ski cross man clearly blew it, tried to cut that corner too sharply before the jump and went straight into the gate
Hollingsworth I was shocked, she was waaay behind Amy Williams who was pwning the course from the get-go, I would’ve just settled for silver… its not like Jon Montegomery’s situation where it was so close that it made sense for him to push for the gold
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
it just pisses me off that they’re being like that
just get A medal. 4th and 5th places suck.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I felt bad for Del Bosco yesterday. Had the bronze in sights and fell on the last jump in the ski cross
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Del Bosco fell on the last jump because he thought Bronze wasn’t good enough, and tried a big move to gain some time and get a Silver or Gold.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
yup, but I don’t feel bad for him. If he played it safe, he would’ve had the bronze.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t go to the Olympics to win the bronze…. I’d go for it too.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 23, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
we do own the podium, all of them.. we just don’t get to stand on them when it counts..
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by AkiSchennberg on Feb 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
The way some Americans are acting it was like last night was the Gold Medal game.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
Had Canada won last night today Canadian fans would be somber and detached.
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Honestly dude… ya. It’s not the gold medal game, means nothing unless it’s gold
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Exactly. Maybe if it was Russia we beat yesterday we would have been pumped, but yesterday didn’t come with a medal.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
I’m not celebrating now. Don’t even attempt to make the argument that had Canada won people wouldn’t have spilled out of “Canada Hockey Place” waving flags and going apeshit.
You guys went nuts when you beat Switzerland in a shootout.
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I hate those asshats
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Chemmy’s right, the fact that the team even celebrated at the end and saluted the crowd was downright disgusting
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
It was fucking pathetic. They should have been booed sometime in that third period.
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Or the Leafs season: either one works
really? they were so f’n close to tying the game, why would you boo them? honestly I didnt think canada was THAT bad, miller was just better than marty. we outshot and outchanced the yanks 2-1
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 22, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
And you outshot and outchanced Switzerland and the Leafs outshoot and outchance teams and
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... both teams suffer from terrible goaltending
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
usa won, excuses are lame. Just trying to keep things in perspective, its not like they just sat around taking it in the ass, the canadians tried everything they could to tie the game but it just didnt happen. that is a huge victory for USA hockey
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 22, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
very true
which is why i hate the “us, them, we” statements…
i don’t want to be thrown in as one of “them”
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well deserved celebration. They’ve now got a relative cakewalk to the gold medal game.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
1st overall, if SWE had beaten FIN by 5, it would have been 2nd overall.
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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 22, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ask Rick Nash....
How Happy he is that TJ Oshie isnt on Team USA…….
I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......
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I’m pretty sure he doesn’t give a shit either way
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Americans played great
They outplayed the Canadians and deserve the win, all credit to them.
With that said, that doesn’t make the Canadian loss any more acceptable or tolerable or lessen my outrage at our players.
I’m just going to leave it at that, any additional opinions I have to offer are no kinder and generally involve comparisons of our players to headless chickens and flopping fishes caught outta water.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I really think the Canadians out played the Americans. Honestly i think goaltending won and lost this game. Canada put far more pressure on the them then they put on Canada. Miller was just… well… Miller…
and Brodeur was on crack
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Brodeur didn’t have to be better than Miller, or even as good, to win this game. He had the best defencemen in the world playing in front of him, all he needed to do was not make desperate lunges at pucks he couldn’t reach and let them do their job. He was lucky the US only got two on him this way – could have been three or four – but it was enough to be the difference in the game.
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by Back In Black on Feb 22, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
but in a few days, he won’t be allowed to play the puck again. Got to do it as much as you can now. Those greedy defensemen can play the puck as much as they’d like in the NHL
by Hansmoleman on Feb 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Eh.
All I’ve gotta say is, I’ve seen more forechecking from the Devils and the Wild then from Team Canada last night.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
are you kidding? In the last half of the first period and the entire second period, the Canadians were hard on the puck in the US zone.
Then in the third the US played Ron Wilson’s defensive system that we’re completely unfamiliar with here in Toronto, and the Canadians looked like they had given up.
Luongo should have started the third.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
procession
was generally there but they backed off too quickly and easily if they lost control of the puck, soon as there was a turnover in the American zone nearly all of the redshirts would magically have disappeared
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Thank God he’s a Sabre! Lol (this obviously coming from a Sabre fan from Canada btw.)
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 22, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lol :)
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 22, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Don't blame the skaters
The US showed a lot of heart and grit. They had the better team. But let’s be realistic. If you swap goalies in that game what’s the score? 6-1 Canada or something thereabouts?
The US had vastly superior goaltending and that made them the better team.
Hopefully Luongo can give us an upgrade from terrible to at least mediocre and our talent advantage up front can finally come through.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
they also
need to remember that they’re allowed to body check in men’s hockey and drive/crash the net more often instead of consistently and constantly shooting from the point or the top of the circles
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
You can always do better, especially in a game you lose, but I thought we got plenty of traffic in front. Problem is Miller’s unbeatable down low. Three goals wasn’t bad given the way Miller played. You get three goals and hold the opposition to 25 shots, you should win the game. That game was about goaltending, plain and simple. Unless ours gets better it doesn’t much matter what the rest of the team does.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
As a Leafs fan, I am utterly sick and tired of the “We played pretty good but the other team’s goalie was just on fire that night and was unbeatable, nothing we can do” excuse.
Let’s face it, the Canadians did score 3 goals, lets not forget that. Miller didn’t shut us out, or held us down to a single goal, or two, the Canadians scored 3. If you can’t win or even tie a game with 3 goals then you’re doing something wrong regardless of how good the other team may be.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Brodeur allowed two deflection goals, the other two were him being a moron. That makes the score 3-2.
Miller also saved 2 sure goals which would have made it 5-2 if nothing else changed.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
the EN goal wouldnt have happened either so take that out
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
They threw some big hits last night in the offensive zone. I think the forecheck was better than against Switzerland last night.
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Or the Leafs season: either one works
I think the forecheck was better than against Switzerland last night.
That’s not saying much.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
It was a lot better than it was against Switzerland then.
I’m not nearly upset with the loss last night as I was against Switzerland.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
my other issue, I was really hoping the Canadians would finally start playing North American style hockey again especially when they’re facing a fellow North American hockey team… clearly that wasn’t the case
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
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by Hansmoleman on Feb 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I could just as easily show multiple pictures of the yanks looking outclassed. If Canada had the elite goaltending that EVERY MAJOR COMPETITOR IN THE TOURNAMENT SHOULD EXPECT, we win 3-1 or 3-2. Hell it at least goes to OT. People mention Canada’s mistakes but if the goalies are switched the USA loses 6-1. They blocked shots and hustled defensively but ultimatley they took 22 shots while surredering 45 (and plenty were scoring chances)
I know a lot of the guys on PPP are American and before you call me a jerk I just wanna say that I dont think team USA is bad, just that last night they won on goaltending and thats it. They have a good team and the easier road to the medal game but if they play against the other heavyweights the same way they did last night than Miller going to have to keep this up and thats asking a lot. I wouldnt be surprised to see them take it all if they pick up their game, but Rus, Swe, Can (without toskalol in net), even Fin can kill them if they play that way(except, of course, for Miller).
By the way I know it wont happen but what about playing MAF? Hes been clutch latley which none of our other goalies can say.
I'm a Canadian
and I disagree with this statement.
Saying it’s all about goaltending is an excuse, plain and simple. The US, as a team, played better than Canada did, as a team.
That’s it, plain and simple. If you look at the shot chart for the game yesterday, you’ll see that Babcock et al (meaning, the entire team, players included) didn’t sway from the gameplan to clog up the slot and take shots from the middle. all Miller has to do is make himself big in the net and he’s gobbling those things up. Conversely, the Us’s shots came from everywhere. Sure, there were fewer of them, but that’s a case of “working smart.” Canada may have dumped a ton of rubber on net, but I’d argue that very few of those 40+ were legitimate scoring chances.
So, as a Canadian, I suggest we all take a deep breath, and then toss the excuses out the window.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks Blurr
you are dead on, too many of our shots were from the point or from out far, our guys weren’t driving or crashing the net or even properly screening Miller, our players could barely string two passes together, most of the time they would either shoot too early on an odd man rush or hold onto the puck to wait for the blueliners to get into position to pass the puck back to them
the Canadian coaching has definitely become an issue, I saw no adjustments between last night’s game against the US and the one on Wed against Switzerland, same style, same game play
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It was the same thing in the Switzerland game. Canada outshot them 47 to 23, but most of those were from out on the perimeter and easily blocked by Hiller who, like Miller, stood on his head. If anything, Canada has shown that they have a very hard time beating a hot goalie because they take weak shots. They create little traffic in front of the net and don’t crash very hard.
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Funny how you can replace “Canada” with “Toronto Maple Leafs” in your statement and it would still be true.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously. Last night was like Toronto vs. Buffalo only with much better talent on both sides.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 22, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
it gave me nightmares.
I still can’t get it out of my head.
At least I have a bit of joy because now Ron Wilson can stuff it in Lindy Ruff’s face.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
First day back, Ron needs to show tape of that USA forecheck to the Leafs, over and over and over, and just say “This is how we’re going to forecheck every shift, every night.”
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the only silver lining to this
is that we know if Ron has some good players on his bench he can coach one helluva game
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be ecstatic if next year’s Leafs team plays like a poor man’s USA.
Solid goaltending, mean and nasty D that protects the goalie, forecheck like a buzzsaw.
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Looking at our D and Giguere, I think we’re 2/3rds of the way there. Just need some crazy on offense (Kadri).
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
the leafs need a version of Backes
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Trade Kaberle to the Blues for Backes.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
if the Blues didnt have peiterangelo looking to make the jump next year that might be remotely viable
but nay, not happening.
the closest available player like that would be fugly man
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
New MLHS post on DiDom… it’s a good update on one of our favorite prospects
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Seeming lost in all the hype and fervor over the Olympics was the recent return to action of one Chris Didomenico.
Yeah why didn’t anyone write about DiDomenico?
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someone did, just not anyone here… clearly
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If anything, Canada has shown that they have a very hard time beating a hot goalie because they take weak shots. They create little traffic in front of the net and don’t crash very hard
This infuriates me.
Iginla, Morrow, Nash, Getzlaf, Staal, Perry… they have the best forward corps you could ask for to play a crash the net offensive game, and they dick around on the perimeter.
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which brings to mind, is that a coaching issue?
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
In my mind, yes.
I’ve said that I’m very disappointed in Babcock’s coaching so far; he’s spending far too much time trying to develop chemistry AND keep all 20 players happy. Time to stop playing nice and just go with the guys that are working.
Bergeron is the 13th forward, Pronger is the 7th D. Park them, roll four lines and six D and let’s get going.
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Pronger has been fucking brutal
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t decide if Pronger or Niedermayer is worse.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Pronger
Niedermayer wasn’t that bad IMO. He made a mistake early, but wasnt bad
Fairweather fans can go to hell
They were both bad, although I guess you could say Pronger was worse.
Niedermayer was so soft on the puck…
AHHHHHHH IT MAKES ME SO MAD
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Pronger was worst, he has a big shot that he could’ve utilized… I’ve seen it like once or twice
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't Phaneuf look great playing along side Webber?
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especially in Blue and White…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dare to dream dare to dream
Ask Yourself This: WWGRD? (What Would Gary Roberts Do?)
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 22, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
they are both way past due, they should have picked one or the other
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Ya Kaberle is brutal no question about it.
by general borschevsky on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
You guys need a Backes.
He helped that 3rd goal, right. He’s a PIA in front of the net and in the crease.
bt
yeah, goaltender interference is a great hockey play!
/semi serious
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I seriously don’t know how that wasn’t called when Getzlaf was called for the exact same thing earlier in the game.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
because getzlaf hit miller with his stick
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the shot charts show that at all. Canada took shots from all over, including many from great position. There were plenty of great saves by Miller, and many other chances denied because of his superior rebound control and positioning.
289 is right. Goaltending is a part of the game and because the Americans had vastly superior goaltending, they were the better team. But let’s not be silly—goaltending was the only part of the game where the Americans were superior last night.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First period – 14 from within the faceoff dots
Second period – admittedly, adjusted, but the bulk of the shots come from down low, on Miller’s glove hand side.
Third period – 13 shots from within the faceoff dots
so the bulk of the shots were either in the slot, or on Miller’s left side. not a whole lot of variety and definitely not enough of an attempt to get Miller moving laterally, which the US did on Brodeur, with significant success.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
The only goal that really burned Brodeur laterally was the 4th. All the others he was playing Captain Jackass and screwing the pooch.
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Or the Leafs season: either one works
fact
All the US’s goals were to Marty’s glove side. That’s either good coaching and scouting, or dumb luck. As I recall, in the playoffs last year, Tampa Bay continually took shots from that same side, with quite a bit of success, so I’m inclined to believe coaching and scouting did their job, but I might be wrong.
This was Miller’s first true test, and he performed admirably. Can he sustain it, facing that many shots every game? On the flip side, this is team Canada’s first true test, and the played the same as they did against Switzerland. Not just Brodeur, but the whole team. Lazy defensive coverage, shots from the perimeter etc. Is that the best they can do?
The point is moot anyways. I’m fairly certain we’ll see Luongo from here on out. That could change the attitude of the team playing in front of a different goalie. Hopefully they’re not more tense now. I’m sure there’s been minimal coverage or outraged opinion on the game, right?
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Blurr
I love you and all but:
As I recall, in the playoffs last year, Tampa Bay continually took shots from that same side, with quite a bit of success
?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
crap
that was 07 or 08…yikes. my bad.
i’m thinking of tamp continually overloading the glove hand side of the net, and getting in some pretty ridiculous goals.
i don’t think they won the series, i’d have to google it but my gut says they didn’t. the point being that in a one game “win or go home” scenario, teams could have success with the same approach.
/i may or may not be operating on 4 hours of sleep at the moment….
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I always thought shots from within the slot was a good thing.
Besides, this totally contradicts everyone else this morning bemoaning a lack of shots from the slot. Which is it, folks?
And we had so many shots overall there were plenty from everywhere.
THIS GAME WAS ABOUT GOALTENDING.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Shots from the slot are good in a sense that they aren’t bad angle shots, but on a goalie like Miller who takes up a lot of the net they aren’t that great. Like blurr said, a straight on shot isn’t going to beat him. Look back to the Canada Norway game with all that ridiculous passing that went on to get the goalie going back and forth. Very little of that happened last night.
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Yeah
and the Canadians never adjusted their game, they had 3 periods to do so but didn’t bother… Miller was playing aggressive, look how redicliously far away from the net he was on a lot of the shots
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
There was plenty of fancy passing. We had shots from the point, shots from in tight, cross-crease action, shots from the slot, shots on the rush, shots off the cycle… Miller was just better.
The Americans are a good team. We dominated possession, shots and chances against a good team. I was not disappointed overall in our play (you can obviously pick nits). You can’t expect to get pretty chances against a tope team like the US the way we did against Norway.
I say again: what’s the score in that game if you swap goalies?
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
The Americans are a good team. We dominated possession, shots and chances against a good team.
I guess we were watching different games.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
yes
I’d like to know which game you watched.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
45-23
I thought that accurately reflected the balance of play. Outside the first two shifts of the game how often did the US have Canada pinned down with multiple scoring chances for minutes at a time? Canada did it repeatedly.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
The 4th goal was a powerplay.
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So that doesn’t qualify as sustained pressure and multiple chances?
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Well we had them hemmed in for long periods of time on even strength and they couldn’t really compare to that except for on the powerplay.
The third goal the puck wasn’t in the zone for longer than 15 seconds before it was in the net.
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No.
I thought it was implied I was referring to even strength. One is expected to dominate with an extra skater.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
And the 3rd was a terrible clusterfuck by Brodeur being drastically out of position.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
You can’t be serious.
Have you watched any Leafs games these past two seasons? Shot counts mean dick all when your shots can only be discribed as “teh suck”. The Leafs routinely outshot and “outchanced” their opponents but no one would think for a minute that they outplayed the opposing team in those games
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Team Canada’s chances were WAAAAAY better than the Leafs.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Really? Because a lot of their shots were from the point, like the Leafs, and the Canadians barely screened Miller on a lot of those shots, like the Leafs.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
There was a good amount of traffic in front of the net I thought. This was a way better effort with way better shots than one of the Leafs 60 shot games.
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Pierre McGuire made the exact same point about Team Canada he did about the Leafs.
If you don’t get the shots up on Miller, you don’t have a chance because he covers the bottom half so well.
And again, this is indefensible for Team Canada because their skill is so much higher than the Leafs, and Miller’s coach is on their goddamned bench.
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Yeah, I really wonder what the fuck Lindy Ruff was doing last night.
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protecting his goalie, and by proxy, his meal ticket?
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I don’t understand how anyone can white-wash this, goaltending is an issue but ONE OF MANY… and if they just ignore them all and think we’re still hunky dory and continue playing like this, the Russians are going to completely dismantle this team in the event the Canadians manage to get past the Germans.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the shot chart Blurr linked to
Of 45 shots, only 18 were from above the face off circles. Another 4 from outside the faceoff circles. That means 23 shots were not from the perimeter. That is a LOT of shots from prime scoring position.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Shots not from the perimeter does not automatically equate to them being good shots
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention less then half the point shots were within a foot of the net
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Despite what others are writing
I think Canada would have crushed the Swiss with the effort last night.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Feb 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Saddest part was Pang and McGuire making comments about having to get the puck up high on Miller, which Canada couldn’t do in close.
Which is exactly what kept being said when the Leafs keep losing to MIller. And this wouldn’t be that big of a deal if RYAN MILLER’S COACH WASN’T ON TEAM CANADA’S BENCH!
Fuck Lindy Ruff.
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He screwed the pooch during the World Championships last year. He seems like a rather clueless coach sometimes.
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I hate Lindy Ruff.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think were all mising the point on the goaltending. Leave everything else (including miller) the same but replace last nights brodeur with a goalie who doesnt give up multiple (as in 2, or three 3 if you count the last one that beat him 5 hole) and we spend today talking about how the USA was overmatched and only occasionally a threat offensively.
Its not Miller being great that beat us, its Brodeur putting in an effort that both Leaf and Canuck (Luongo in the playoffs, and remember the glorious days of Cloutier) are sadly familiar with
that 5 hole goal was weird, it looked like Brodeur was propping his legs open with his stick to let it go in
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I really have no idea what he was doing on all of the goals.
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neither did he
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
It’s like Pillsbury offered him unlimited dough for a year if he blew the game.
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speaking of fat
what the eff happened to Hitchcock?
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
he was in the pressbox, and I would like to know why.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
no
I know he was in the press box, they showed a shot of him, he really let himself go
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
oh
he’s always been really fat
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
teams usually have an assistant coach in the pressbox so someone can have a view of the game from a higher vantage point. They can see things unfold better from up there and pass the info on to the coaches on the bench so they can make adjustments. In theory, anyway.
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intereseting
I never knew that before.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
was Hitch watching the buffet?
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
That shot was going to be a toe save for Brodeur, but then it got deflected and hit his stick. Something he wasn’t prepared for.
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yeah, it just looked weird though
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Brodeur shit the bed epicly. So, so bad, his flailing about, constantly trying to play the puck… who brough Marty Turco and put him in Brodeur’s equipment last night?
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
And I would say, respectfully, that you’re in denial. Team Canada has a boatload of problems and issues right now and ignoring them isn’t going to help, its not going to go away… if this was just one game I might be more inclined to agree but they’ve played two games like this now
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
They weren’t nearly as bad as they were against Switzerland. They held the zone and forecheck hard and rarely got hemmed into their own zone by the Americans.
I think the loss is making you think they played worse than they actually did.
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by Clawson on Feb 22, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the loss is making you think they played worse than they actually did.
Its really hard to think otherwise.
If it smells like garbage and looks like garbage, it’s probably garbage.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'll ask one last time
What’s the score if goalies were swapped?
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Closer game maybe, but we would’ve lost with that effort.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but that's crazy-talk
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And the Americans knew how to apply the pressure, the Canadians only looked better at the end of the game was because the US had 2 goals up on us and tried to sit on the lead… had the game been closer right up to the end the Americans would’ve been much more aggressive.
Let’s face it, best case scenario, we scrap out a shootout win or a 1-goal win, and if you’re comfortable with that then great for you but I clearly am not because if the Americans had great offensive pressure the Russians are absolutely going to run and gun the shit outta us.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I really doubt that, three goals were totally Brodeur’s fault because of misplaying the puck. Maybe he misplayed the puck because the defense wasn’t playing well, but if he had just stayed in his net he would have saved THREE GOALS
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
yes
Brodeur made dumb ass mistakes but hey look, this is BRODEUR, arguably the best Canadian goalie alive, BRO-FREAKING-DEUR. If he can make these mistakes, then so can Lou and Fleury…
Its the same bloody cliching, if Gretzky can get traded so can anyone… if Brodeur cane make these mistakes then so can anyone
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
No. Brodeur SHAT THE BED HARD. Just because he’s the best goalie ever doesn’t mean that at 37, he’s better than two younger guys, one still in his prime who is used to playing behind a defensively deficient team, and one who WON THE STANLEY CUP LAST YEAR
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Brodeur was the reason you dominated the first period. He was also the reason you were down 2-1 in the first period.
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we did not watch the same game
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t disagreed that Marty fucked up but we can pin all the blame on him when the world-class defense he has in front of him actually plays like a world-class defense and he’s still letting in bad goals
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
the point of having a world class goaltender is that they can cover up for the defensive mistakes
the point of having a world class defense is they can cover up for the goaltender’s mistakes
neither happened last night.
You can’t switch the 7 defensemen, you CAN Switch the goalie.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and my point was, as much as Brodeur sucked last night we can’t pin all of the blame on him because let’s be frank, pretty much everyone in a red jersey sucked last night
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
not everyone in a red jersey sucked last night.
They were not outplayed.
Their defense was not up to snuff, no.
A lot of offensive chances were killed to early, yes.
But the US did not play so amazingly well that they would have won no matter what. Change the goalie, change the outcome.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
The goalie wasn’t the only variable in the equation.
I agree, you change the goalie, you change the outcome. Will it be a more positive outcome? No one knows.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’m saying he’s the most important variable in t he equation.
The rest of the team could have played a perfect game defensively, and we still would have lost.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
and that’s a moot point because they didn’t, they were far from perfect
swapping the goalie isn’t suddenly going to change the entire team and flip it 180
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
not
in this case at least when there were so many weak links
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
For sure. Marty made maybe 2 stellar save while allowing 3 shittastic goals. So even if we give the US credit for those 2 saves (that happened one after another) the score is 3-3 and we have overtime.
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Olympic calibre goalies
are expected to make stellar saves. Miller made a lot more than 2.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t blame a single goal on the defense last night except for maybe a little part of the 3rd. They panicked when Brodeur tried to smother the puck when Pronger almost had it cleared.
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The first one started behind the net, but the US forechecked him perfectly. But it still didn’t become a goal until Canada lost the sideboard battle and the forwards were out of position.
The second one’s on Broduer.
The third one’s on terrible coverage by Pronger and Boyle.
The fourth one’s on the PK.
The fifth one’s on Perry.
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I have to blame crosby, even though i didn’t see him do anything badly and he played very well, he was on the ice for every goal the U.S. scored. (at E.S.)
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All 3 were Marty bed-shittings. Trust me, I’d love for Crosby to be at fault during a loss because I hate him but there was nothing he could have done.
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I thought he played well, but that +/- is glaringly bad. Perhaps he and his line had bad defensive coverage on pinching defensemen?
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Wow. Any other goalie than Miller in net for the US and anybody in net for Canada and we win that 5-2.
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Disagreed.
Loungo looks shakey and we don’t know about Fleury. Brodeur was bad for sure but Lou hasn’t looked spectacular this season
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Remember when Brodeur swung at a puck shoulder high?
Remember when he lunged out at a puck that should have been cleared by the D?
Both very avoidable plays and avoidable goals..
The third goal annoys me because it should have been goalie interference and even if not then Pronger was actually in position for once to clear a puck but Marty got confused and thought the puck was a pie.
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canada definitely woulda won then!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not all of them
Just one.
No dispute US was better team. I’m just saying the reason they were better was one guy on each team.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not so sure about that. Miller isn’t so good when, instead of clearing rebounds, your defense flops around on the ice like fish.
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I don’t see it.
Canada’s defence was sloppy and disorganized. Miller doesn’t make the mistake on the 2nd goal, but without USA’s strong commitment to blocking shots, USA probably pots a rebound goal to make up for it.
USA gives Brodeur the lanes to clearly see the first shot, but they worked defensively as a unit so much beter. Plus, wilson absolutely would have yanked Brodeur if he made those two gaffes with the puck early.
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would he?
how often did Wilson yank Toskala when he plays HORRIBLY?
But I still believe Luongo should’ve been in to start the third.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
hopefully this is a repeat of the Cujo situ in salt lake
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
It’s gotta be.
Brodeur doesn’t look sharp. Go with a younger guy, still in his prime.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson said Canada out-chanced the US 2-1. Virtually all the US players gave credit first and foremost to Miller. Even most US writers I’ve read (ESPN, etc) note this game was about Miller’s superiority to Brodeur.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 22, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Goaltending is, and always will be, the most important position on a hockey team.
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Fuck Ryan Miller.
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by Clawson on Feb 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I never swear but this has been going through my head since last night.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Come to the Dark Side
And say it loud and proud.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
So what if they won on goaltending and that's it?
Last I checked goaltending is a major part of hockey. Are we playing shinny now? Are we taking away the Cup away from the 1986 Canadiens because they won riding on Roy’s shoulders? (Ok, don’t answer that one Leafs fans.)
by twoeightnine on Feb 22, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
what's this "we" business
were you on the ice yesterday?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Where did I say that I was?
So what if they won on goaltending and that’s it?
Goaltending is a major part of the sport of hockey, not just Olympic hockey. WE can’t discount goaltending no matter what the game is except for when WE’RE playing shinny.
by twoeightnine on Feb 22, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Are we playing shinny now?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
I’m talking about hockey in general. Not Olympic hockey. Discounting the idea of goaltending in hockey.
by twoeightnine on Feb 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
So, it's an explanation
I thought Canada played a very good game and lost by virtue of goaltending – mostly their own. Things to fix for future games: cut down on the pre-game substance abuse by goalies.
Also, I’m actually okay with saying “we” when they’re representing the nation, not the local professional sporting interest.
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by Back In Black on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think we’re all forgetting the Jackass of the Game last night:
Corey Perry. Nice backchecking buddy!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
There was so many ways Perry could have prevented that. You know like passing to the wide open Niedermayer right across the ice from him.
But the dumb fuck doesn’t even put his stick down.
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the game was already over in his mind
had to be Kesler too, I hate that waste of skin
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
So much hate.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, at least Canucks fans will hate Kesler now (except the american Canucks fans)
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
no they wont
Kesler could have highsticked Luongo in the neck, and scored 10 goals and flipped off the crowd after each one and they would still love him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
If Canada and US faced each other in the gold medal game and that happened would they still love him?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Kessel
Did he not play the 2nd and 3rd period? If he did was it, did he master the ninja technique from Stemps?
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he played i think one shift in the second and i think 2 in the third (and power play)
Him and malone were stapled to the bench.
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That’s not helping our Ryan quotient.
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Kessel 7:43 of ice time.
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hmm... not good.
well at least he had a big smile at the end of the game when he came out to congratulate miller and the rest of the players. Too bad I wanted Kessel to pot one in. Then we can say all 3 Leafs property outshone the superfantasic Canadian team. I guess Wilson and Burke do know what they are doing after all as the current results show.
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well not really
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Do you honestly think come March 1st that Vancouver Canucks fans are gonna boo Ryan Kesler?
If you think so, go smoke another bowl
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Most of them probably don’t realize it’s the same Ryan Kesler.
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They will love him. My brother is a Canuck fan and all night last night all i heard was him praising Burke for putting Kesler on the team.. Remember kids… B.C. wishes it was American.
with less french and the muncies arnt as good
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Trade proposal:
USA gets British Columbia.
Canada gets New England.
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by Chemmy on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DONE!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa, I live in NE.
Do we get a say? Can I get your health insurance? Will we have to measure feet in metres? How will we spell color?
So many questions.
bt
Where in New England?
Don’t act like you don’t hate the rest of America. I sure do.
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we arnt taking new england, Chemmy is giving it to us
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Chemmy is american
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Impossible.
He/she knows too much about hockey. And the Leafs to boot. I mean, what’s the point of being an American AND being a Leafs fan.
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He, Loser Domi, Wrap Around Curl, oshirt and a few others are all american leaf fans
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Blurr and Birky are Canadian transplants into America
You cannot escape us
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but I mean, what's the point
If you live down here you have bunches of teams to root for, so why still be a Leaf fan? I can understand if you live in Toronto, you’re pretty much forced to follow them, but down here, how do you become a Leaf fan in the first place?
Don’t get it.
bt
no one in toronto is FORCED to follow the Leafs, in fact there are more than a few fans of other teams located in the city
thats like saying everyone in New Jersey is FORCED to be a devils fan
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
It’s all they’ve got.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
or everyone in Quebec is forced to be a Habs fan…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Im a huge vikings fan and im not from minnisota, I’m also a huge Chelsea fan and im not from Chelsea!
SHOCKER!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
really? Chelsea?
well, at least it isn’t Man-U
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
WOOO CHELSEA!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
certainly can’t hate on that… Man-U on the other hand…
signed – Barca fan
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
You’re a vikings fan because they rule.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if NE is now New Canada,
then you all will have to get to like football and baseball a whole more. Oh and cyclocross (shameless plug for my favorite pastime)
bt
we like football plenty good
and toronto has much love for baseball
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and if NE is going to become Canadian
you’ll have to stop using phrases like “plenty good.” We don’t understand them.
bt
you are getting this turned around
see you guys are becoming part of us, not the other way around
you need to adapt, not us
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
wicked
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
wicked good, eh?
As in, “The Red Sox are wicked good, eh?”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely a lot of “ehs” in Boston.
Also everyone in Boston would rather hang out with Canada than New York.
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Correct.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
thats cause we’re awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
they fit in well in montreal, with the rest of us Ontarians at least
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
No, but you're confused
We bring with us our etched-in-stone sense of self-entitlement so, no, you’d have to adapt to us.
“Plenty good adaptation” See? It’s silly.
bt
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we’ve delt with your etched-in-stone types before, we call them quebec
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Canada already has a football team, the Toronto Buffalo Bills.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
No, you'd have to obsess about it like you do hockey.
For chrissake, last week they had 5 min. on the local news about the Red Sox team truck packing gear to leave for Florida and the beginning of Spring Training.
I don’t know if there is enough interest in football and baseball up there to qualify. Besides, Paul Molitor doesn’t play for Toronto anymore.
bt
we’re getting new england, not texas
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
New England likes the Patriots. A lot.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, no… We’re fine with our Hockey…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Truck day rules so hard.
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had to google that… looks inspiring
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Say what you want about the Red Sox but our fans line up to watch the equipment truck leave Fenway and head to Florida.
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I only say what I want about Yankees fans, you folk are fine by me
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly feel bad for the Blue Jays. You guys would win any other division in the AL probably four years out of five.
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its a conspiracy by the american corporations to keep Canada down!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
the corporations and global warming.
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what we’ve been saying for years, except when we say it, it’s “just another excuse” from the stupid Toronto fans…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
That said the Red Sox are probably the best drafting team in baseball and having deep pockets to back that up doesn’t hurt at all.
Youkilis, Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, Papelbon, Bard. Casey Kelly coming up that’s a lot of elite homegrown talent.
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Yeah, let’s get the trade deadline out of the way before we start discussing the A.L. East, please…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, all this baseball talk hurts my head
“plenty good hurt”
I hate that I can't sign off with "bt" anymore.
you seem to like that saying a lot for someone who says they dont like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
and to be honest, I’ve never heard any Canadian say that, ever
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOO
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
You’re moving back to TO.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
or New England
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I’d have to.
I couldnt live in t he US.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Kesler?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
That Kesler guy is just the kind of punk you want in a short series
On your team for a season? Not so much.
bt
why not?
He’s pretty darned popular with the fans, and seems like with his teammates too.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’d take him on the Bruins and so would you.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Dunno, seems like only Mike Milbury would like that type of enthusiasm
Neely would prolly pop him in the jaw after a short bit.
bt
Do you see him dancing up there? Do you? How can you hate that?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
They don’t do any dancing, though.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Move south.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
dude, if you are gonna put ‘bt’ at the end of ever comment, just put it in your signature
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
(You can do that here: http://www.sbnation.com/users/eyebob/edit_profile )
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
kid's
been a waste of skin so far these Olympics
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Ok people
Lets look at something positive…
Drew Doughty was a goddamn beast last night and should be getting top3-4 minutes from here on out
Fairweather fans can go to hell
this is true. Keith and Doughty are the best defensemen we have.
But Doughty’s pinching scares me.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
It is true when people on the west coast say we dont know the talent over there. Holy fuck Doughty is incredible.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Uhhhh…..him and Keith led in icetime last night with 23:20 for Doughty and 24:05 for Keith. The next closest skater was Weber with 19:09.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
and Weber had been the #1 D prior to last night.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Said it before, I’ll say it again: Doughty was a better selection that Niedermayer. Not in terms of any forward future thinking; in terms of “who should be on the ice right now based solely on their ability”.
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That stop on Dustin Brown was awesome.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
he’s kinda sucked
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
At least he’s getting some rest on the bench.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
two words
Where’s Stamkos?
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
could sure use him on the PP
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
He’s sitting at home because he didn’t already have Olympic experience.
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um
where is Bergeron’s Olympic experience?
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
You were watching it last night
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Duh, the 2005 WJC. I mean he totally played great with Crosby.
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ugh
his selection is looking rather… uninspired.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
he’s kindasuckeds
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Stop.
Bergeron is a great player. Because the team hasn’t found a role for him isn’t his fault (I’m guessing) and more a reflection on the coaching.
To say he sucks is stoopid.
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Yeah!
He’s played with Crosby before, you guys!!
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
There are only 12 good Canadian forwards in all of hockey, see?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
nah, 11, thornton sucks too
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I coulda told you that years ago.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 22, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve known since Turin
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
so has Thornton. It looks to me like Heatley-Marleau must carry the San Jose Sharks.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Thornton does not excell in high tempo games where the competition is at or near his skill set, he cant just stick handle in place waiting for a pretty pass
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I hate him.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
So, what’s with the BT at the end? Also, use reply.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
he would have had to show up in the first place to disappear
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
hate to say it…but Mike Green
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Canada has enough offense, wait…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Drew Doughty did everything Phaneuf could have done for Team Canada but better.
I’d rather have J-Bo than Pronger right now.
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I’d rather have J-Bo and Phaneuf than Pronger and Niedermayer.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Crosby
seems to be acting as team captain anyways, get that C off of Niedermayer’s chest.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
imagine the damage Stamkos could do playing wing to Crosby.
that was my dream…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
but I can understand not taking Stamkos… to a degree. I still wish he was there.
And no Thornton.
Good lord I hate Thornton.
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by Karina on Feb 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Thornton would be better served in a shut down role. You can let him play keep away with his dipsy doodle behind the net play, and not expect him to score. if he does, it’d be nice, but not necessary.
load up your top two lines with pure offense a la Russia, and hope the goaltending and d are stronger than the other teams (which, in some instances, does not appear to be the case currently)
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
It's funny, when Thornton was in Boston, I loved him
but people always said he disappeared in the playoffs. I guess that I just sorta found ways to make excuses for him (he didn’t need an excuse when he played that MTL series with the bad back). But I guess that I have to believe it now. He was sorta a no-show last night.
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have you seen any of the Sharks playoff series in the last few years? You could blink and completely miss Thornton…
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by El Monstruo on Feb 22, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
05-06 11GP 9Pts
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07-08 13GP 10Pts
08-09 6GP 5Pts
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get some eyedrops
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Weird...
I was thinking this exact same thing while brushing my teeth this morning.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Yzerman goofed in not doing an entire changing of the guard.
Obviously, that’s a hindsight statement based on an incomplete tournament result, so I reserve the right to change my mind…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
wow
372 comments?
I could mistake this for a 1st period GDT…
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everyone in canada took today off work to decide what bridge to jump off of, apparently.
Or they’re too angry to work.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Nah, we’re not gonna kill ourselves for losing in a round robin game
Fairweather fans can go to hell
But you would like to throw half your players/coaches off bridges the upper bowl of the arena
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
No, I support the team to the bitter end.
Look at my sig, not a fairweather fan
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Sadly, I'd bet there would be fewer had Team Canada won.
Kvetching is good for the interwebs
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no, we’d probably put up the same coment numbers, remember there is a good American presence on this site
Leafs fan does not automatically mean Canadian remember?
ALso as Leaf fans we’d probably be bitching about the things that went wrong despite the win
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
also
white men can’t jump
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by blurr1974 on Feb 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm beginning to think
that “Leafs fan” = Canadian wanna-be tho.
Just sayin.
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I like Canadians more than most Americans and I’m not ashamed of that fact.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Most people in Canada would say that a Canadian Leafs fan is an American Wannabe, since they associate Toronto with American-ness.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Thanks...
…for the hockey fail, Team Canada! Now I get to see you play tomorrow! (Is that selfish? Absolutely. But now I want them to go on and dominate.)





























