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Laura Secord: More than just chocolates via torontoist.com

So of the10 medals Canada has managed to win at these Olympics, 6 of them have been won by women.  Not every woman who was favoured to win has come through - Mellisa Hollingsworth comes to mind - but they've been more reliable than the men.  And the Canadian women's hockey team certainly looks good going into the gold medal match against the US - not that anyone expected a different match-up, but the Finnish team certainly played an excellent defensive game last night, and have an excellent goalie whom the Canadians still managed to score five goals on.  That was a great little boost needed after the horrific weekend we had to go through.

It made me think of the history of women in Canada.  Women have been important figures in Canada, perhaps moreso than one would expect.  I mean, without Laura Secord, we could all have been Americans!  Or, well, I would have been at least, given that the Americans had captured Fort St. George in Niagara on the Lake, where my mom was born and raised.  I mean, while her husband was resting up from injuries, Laura Secord walked through the Nigara Escarpment to warn the British soldiers of the American's impending attack, allowing them to create a force with the Mohawk warriors who managed to capture almost all of the attacking soldiers, completely demoralizing the American forces and saving Niagara on the Lake from the doom of americanization.

I think we could use a Laura Secord in these Olympics, actually.

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http://olympics.thestar.com/2010/article/769975—cox-conflict-in-the-net-as-luongo-takes-over

Same article is posted with Damien Cox’s byline. Still just as biased and terrible. (Heck, he doesn’t even get the right year for the Ducks’ Stanley Cup finals run, and ignores that Giguere, you know, was named Conn Smythe that year and was not terrible at any point.)

Cox also seems to be the only one who thinks that Brodeur’s performance in the Swiss shootout is more important than his performance in the actual Swiss game and the US game. Brodeur looked shaky in the Swiss game and was terrible in the US game. He shouldn’t be the goalie (which the Battle of Alberta guys were on before the Olympics).

There’s also some irony in Cox invoking Curtis Joseph in 2002 when, you know, Brodeur came on and saved Canada. Most writers would use that as a parallel. Cox eschews that to protect his business partner Brodeur.

The Star really needs to note Cox’s conflict on these Brodeur articles.

by sideswipe70 on Feb 23, 2010 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

What a terrible article

So many contradictions and incorrect facts.

My “favorite” line:

Germany is unlikely to challenge Canada on Tuesday, which means Luongo will start the quarter-final against Russia without having faced a top-drawer opponent.

Hey Cox. Luongo is a starting goaltender in the NHL. He faces “top-drawer” opponents every game he plays, and has done well enough there to be named to the Olympic squad. Canada has played 3 total games so far these Olympics, only 1 against a “top-drawer” opponent in the USA. Seeing as how Marty started that game, how could Luongo have also played without Brodeur being pulled? Why is it that these so called journalists say a goalie who gets 60+ starts a year in the NHL against guys like Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, etc… doesn’t have the necessary experience to play against “top-drawer” competition at the Olympics?

What an idiot. All of them.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

eh

I’m rather disappointed that the general public hasn’t learned anything from the past two games… I wouldn’t write off the Germans with the way the Canadians have been playing lately…

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 23, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps, but I expect Canada to come out skating like their collective ass was on fire and run a train on Germany. Or at least they should. If they slow down and play into Germany’s trap game, it could be a long night.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m expecting them to win but I’m not taking anything for granted at this point, stranger things have happened like Belerus and Sweden…

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 23, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

My interest in a Damien Cox article is inversely proportional to the level of indignancy he writes with.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? I’m the opposites, the crappier the article the more I get involved. It boggles the mind how this man has held onto his job.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

When he turns into Ron Burgundy and just throws a hissy fit without making any sense, I’m out.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He did everything but tell Luongo to go back to his home on Whore Island.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Doing so would have added creditability to his article; not his style.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately this is why it pays the Star to have him be his annoying worst. It’s the only reason we check him out anymore given his usual lazy, tired “analysis”.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 23, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The good thing though is that you can submit errors found in The Star’s articles. So whenever I see one in Cox’s articles I do. Hopefully this leads to a talk with his editor if it happens enough.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

You submit an error in Cox’s article, or you submit Cox’s article as an error?

Scratch that; it’s basically the same thing.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve already sent a nasty email to the sports editor. sports@thestar.ca if anyone else wants to.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 23, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m amazed at this article. First, that he would write this tripe. Ok, actually I’m not surprised by that.

Second, that the Star would let such an obviously conflicted writer cover the issue. If they wanted uninformed, sensationalist garbage just put Rosie on it.

Third, that the Star would post it without a by-line. I’m going to be charitable and assume that was an error but wow, what a whopper of an error for an attack piece by a conflicted journalist.

My favourite is the reference to “Brodeur’s brilliance” in the shootout. The top Swiss forward is Hnat Domenichelli. I would expect an NHL goalie to blank a bunch of AHL calibre guys. There is no objective case to be made for Brodeur remaining the starter. He was mediocre last year, he’s been below average this year, and terrible leading into the Olympics. He was mediocre against the Swiss and terrible against the Americans.

Look, the guy had a great career but he’s 37 and the treads are worn. Time to move on.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 23, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I blame

the short attention spans of the general public

I mean, the morning after the Swiss game everyone on the radio were calling Brodeur and Crosby the hero of the game despite them having played mediocore and shitty respectively during the entire game minus the shootout.

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 23, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

As much as I disagreed with you that the Canadian team played poorly against the Americans, I was disgusted with their effort against the Swiss. I don’t care how good their “system” or “effort” were, a team of NHL stars should mop the floor with a glorified AHL team with even a modicum of effort.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 23, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Burke on Canada's effort against the Americans:
“We got out-chanced 2-to-1 (against Canada). People can say that Canada didn’t play well. I don’t agree with that. I thought, except for the goaltending position, we didn’t deserve to win that game.

“That being said, that’s why we brought (Ryan Miller). That’s why he’s in net. It’s not like we’re going to apologize for the team we brought. That’s why he’s here, because he makes saves like that and we were able to win the game. That’s not going to do in the next round and we know that.”

by JP Nikota on Feb 23, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Miller to the Leafs e4

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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 23, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Canada vs. Finland 5-0
Canada vs. Sweden 13-1
—> Finland >>> Sweden. bronze baby, bronze! and girl power

Hockey needs to be moved to Summer Olympics because jumping off the bridge is not that effective if you fall to meter of snow on the ice instead of water.

by sleza on Feb 23, 2010 7:59 AM EST reply actions  

Good luck in the semi sleza

Canadian Women Are Awesome. Really hope they get gold. Apps through a wicked hit in the third period last night. Too bad it’s not on youtube.

by general borschevsky on Feb 23, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks :) i’ll be surprised if they actually get there though
i hope the canadian ladies take the gold :)

Hockey needs to be moved to Summer Olympics because jumping off the bridge is not that effective if you fall to meter of snow on the ice instead of water.

by sleza on Feb 23, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

the women’s Swedish team has looked pretty bad this Olympics

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 23, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, they’ve taken a step back from last time.
I was impressed with Finland though.

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by Karina on Feb 23, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

china wasn’t so bad actually. Compared to their last olympics, at least. The fact they still are worse than everyone else (though everyone else is 4 less teams this time) shows how lopsided women’s hockey is currently.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The Finnish goalie was fantastic! That girl is something special.

by Fergus30 on Feb 23, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

:) as far as i know, she is definitely one of the best players in the team if not the best
though it’s kinda depressive that someone who’s my age has already few medals and Finnish league championships…

Hockey needs to be moved to Summer Olympics because jumping off the bridge is not that effective if you fall to meter of snow on the ice instead of water.

by sleza on Feb 23, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

When Julius Caesar saw a statue of Alexander the Great he cried because he wasn’t as great a man when he was 20 years old. Doesn’t mean that Caesar didn’t turn out to be a great, and influential man.

by Fergus30 on Feb 23, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, Marty. Get out.

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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 23, 2010 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

“I don’t WANNA get out. C’mon man. Aw shucks.”

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by Chemmy on Feb 23, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

“I hear Babcock’s got your cookies and milk ready at the bench.”
“OKAY!” skates off like a shot

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by Doogie2K on Feb 23, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao!

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by missy on Feb 23, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

LUONGO

I expect him to play well. I don’t think he’ll have to worry about Brodeur getting the job back and he’ll be playing in his home rink with the home fans. I see good things ahead. However, this is his big chance to prove his elite talent. Tomorrow will be the biggest game of his career.

by birky on Feb 23, 2010 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Let's focus on tonight

Taking nothing for granted. However, I agree with you and expect Luongo to perform well. I don’t think he’s as good as Miller but I think he should be good enough for this team to win the tournament. I’m not sure Brodeur is any more.

by The '67 Sound on Feb 23, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Luongo will let the defense do their jobs. He won’t try to play the puck. He’s good positionally and the canadians don’t give up many point blank shots. I think Brodeur is still good, but he wants to take over the tournament for canada, and he’s not at that level anymore.

by birky on Feb 23, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Lets hope he doesn’t play the puck, because I didn’t like the way he did vs. Norway.

by Fergus30 on Feb 23, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d imagine Babcock gave him explicit instructions to keep his ass in the crease.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope he listens. If he tries to play it, it could turn out worse than the USA game.

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by Karina on Feb 23, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

“Stay in that crease and don’t fuck nothing up you heard?”

Sadly that could spell bad news for everyone else.

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by Chemmy on Feb 23, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I went to Canada-Finland game last nite

Really great crowd and atmosphere, and holy shit Raaty played well in the Finnish goal. She’s got to be ahead of Toskala in the Suomi depth chart.

by Godd Till on Feb 23, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

I think sleza is ahead of Toskala on the Finnish depth chart.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

uhm… thanks

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by sleza on Feb 23, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Sort of a backhanded compliment really.

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by Chemmy on Feb 23, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Meant it as more of a Toskala dig, but yeah I can see how it came across that way. My bad.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha it’s fine. No need to apologize. I was just playing along.

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by Chemmy on Feb 23, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

The last thing I want to do is create an international incident.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Perry has been rather useless thus far, I didn’t even realize he was on the roster until the commentators brought him up he’s been so invisible.

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 23, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

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by Chris Burton on Feb 23, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Arg

why must all the gif-makers be Americans.

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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 23, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

its just they’ve had a lot of opportunities to make us-biased gifs lately.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ve gotta live it up now after all the trash-talking before the game.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That and americans like to stockpile weapons.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And he sucked at preventing the empty netter… like seriously play the fucking puck.

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 23, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

<3 Kesler <3

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 23, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Quiet you.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

To-do for today: Make .gif of empty-netter.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 23, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

To-do for today: Go back to calling CH “Corny”

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by Karina on Feb 23, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

You have a perch? Do you flagpole-sit?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 23, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s not sick, but he’s not well

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

your face is most certainly sick then

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t let Americans down on this, CH.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 23, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

So f-in awesome.

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by Chris Burton on Feb 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

perry is fucking useless

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

can anyone tell me

WTF he was doing on the ice in that setting?

btw, as a Preds fan, I already knew he was useless…

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by Chris Burton on Feb 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

he plays the PK a lot in Anaheim, and is pretty good at scoring goals.

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by Karina on Feb 23, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

im trying to figure out where the other defensemen was. (other than neidermeyer) Was it captain elbows being slow?

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

the IIHF stats sit started working! So:

On Ice CAN 6 11 15 19 24 27

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 23, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

So Shea Weber, meaning that CoreyPerry wasn’t in front of the net then, which confuses me, because that’s where he should be positioned.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yqq2o77K4

Weber had gone to challenge Parise at the blue line but Parise tapped it into the other zone. Kesler then did his thing.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 23, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i need to get that game on my dvr anyhow. i hold out hope that somehow the nhl network replays it.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

ignoring all that tv-rights nonsense that would prevent such things.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So im trying to figure out how perry, who should have been in front of the net, was first to the puck.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

the only thing I can think of is that he didn’t know Kessler was that close behind him. Arena was pretty loud.

doesn’t explain why he had the puck on the backhand of his stick, like he was going to pass into the slot.

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 23, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

gross…

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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 23, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

At the world championship last year or year before didnt Nash Getzlaf and Heatley dominate?

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by leafer1984 on Feb 23, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Wyshynski's take on Bobby Lou
His [Luongo] career Stanley Cup playoff stats: 22 games, 11-11, a 2.09 GAA and a .930 save percentage. We all remember him getting tagged with seven goals when the Vancouver Canucks lost to the Chicago Blackhawks in last season’s playoffs. Less memorable, but perhaps more important, is the fact that he stopped 19 shots in 4-1 Game 7 win back in 2007, and stopped 56 of 58 shots in a Game 5 series-elimination loss to the Anaheim Ducks in the following round.

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by birky on Feb 23, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

world championship stats

GP MIN W L T/OTL GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
15 855 6 1 2 29 2.04 182 170 .934 3

by birky on Feb 23, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally not ready to be starting a game in a big international contest.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

This week is probably his last chance to enter the discussion for the “best goalie in the world” title.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

it truly is his “career defining moment” as wysh put it

by birky on Feb 23, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Luongo WILL cash in this opportunity

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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 23, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Ze German article on ze subjhekt

http://www.focus.de/sport/olympia-2010/deutsche-athleten/eishockey-deb-team-zwischen-vorfreude-und-panik_aid_483229.html

I tried getting Google Translate to make it comprehensible – it is remarkably less so. Anyone speak German?
“Hockey
DEB team, excitement and panic
In the play-off game to the quarter-finals should the German ice hockey team ran precisely against hosts Canada. “Maybe they underestimated us, yes,” hopes to Christian Ehrhoff.

Before the game, the game gave himself a break from Christian Ehrhoff in your own four walls. The professionals of the NHL Vancouver Canucks took advantage of the free day to forget at home with his wife and daughter Lina Farina the Olympic frustration. He still threw an eye on the next opponent – the struggling Gold Starred Canada.

I have seen the game quite comfortably on the couch, "said the ice hockey national team after the hosts of 3:5 against the U.S.. The first bankruptcy of the Canadian Star selection to Sidney Crosby of the German team in the play-off game to which had been Feeder quarterfinals today (16.30 local time clock / clock Wednesday 1.30 CET) bestowed the toughest possible opponents.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 23, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

Ze Germans cont. (google translation of their article)

"
Nevertheless outweighs Ehrhoff expected to before the last Olympic appearance in their own “living room” in anticipation. “This is again a true highlight,” said the 27-year-old, who against Canada, unlike in the previous games should probably not hope for the support of home fans: "We play against the red wall of spectators and players, which is something very special. "

Other national team took the news of the prominent opponents to less joyous. “It is bitter,” said the Berlin Sven Felski, knowing that the fourth defeat in the fourth game, and thus the worst result of the German Olympic hockey history will be hard to avoid. “This is indeed a wonderful experience,” said NHL defender Dennis Seidenberg, “but another enemy against which we would be more likely to win, have pleased me more.”

Training game for Canada

The Canadians, who until now their fans not the expected ice bestowed festivals, see the Germans only as a sparring partner in the firm scheduled quarterfinal on Wednesday against world champion Russia. “I hate to say it, but a game is more precisely what we need,” said goalkeeper Martin Brodeur: “There are matters to which we must work, and this game gives us that opportunity.”

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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 23, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Ze Germans (final post... sorry ...)

“And superstar Crosby was not loosely scheduled game: “That we have an extra game is not bad,” he said and admitted that he did not recognize his opponent: "I know nothing about them, I’ve never seen. "

“Maybe they underestimated us yes”

Exactly it relates Co. Ehrhoff and their hopes. “Everyone assumes that she is” said to gain, the local hero, “perhaps they underestimate us, yes.” That the high expectations in hockey-metropolitan inspire rather than stifle, showed the defeat of dollar millionaires against the young U.S. team. “They have felt that perhaps the pressure was too great for Canadians,” noted defender Michael Bakos, who watched the match with some teammates in the stands of the Canada Hockey Place.

The other sought after three Vorrundenniederlagen and the disappointing eleventh place in the overall standings on Sunday-training distance from hockey. Jochen Hecht with his family a trip to Vancouver’s Grouse Mountain House Mountain, Seidenberg and John Tripp of Vancouver strolling with friends, while others used the time to shop.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 23, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Is there a Pierre McGuire drinking game somewhere? Otherwise I’ll have to watch the whole game on mute tonight.

by Jo4nny on Feb 23, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Do you mean to ask if there is anywhere you can go to play a Pierre Maguire drinking game, or are you wondering if such a thing exists? Because about 50 of them do.

by JP Nikota on Feb 23, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Drink when Pierre McGuire talks.

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by Chemmy on Feb 23, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

you will need a funnel

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Increase alcohol intake according to volume of Pierre McGuire.

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by seankelly on Feb 23, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Drink whenever McGuire mentions a Stall brother not in the NHL

by Army13 on Feb 23, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Rafalski scored two goals, Ryan Miller held off a flurry of shots, and the Americans quieted a raucous, pro-Canada crowd that came to cheer its dream team, only to see it upstaged by a bunch of unproven kids.

Reporting fail by the Associated Press. Drury, Rafalski, Miller, Parise, Brown, Kesler et al are “unproven kids” now…?

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

Because saying so let’s them compare the win more easily to the Miracle on Ice.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 23, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

“Unproven kids” was a reference to the media, not the US team.

Can it before I drive this truculence through your faceulence and put you in an ambulance.

by Brunswick Bruiser on Feb 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I can't wait until OUR unproven kids beat Russia in 2 days!

Unless Germany’s unproven kids beat ours first, of course.

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by Wan Ihite on Feb 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i mean 16 of these guys have never been in the olympics before!

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

it is the youngest national team the US has fielded in some time, even with a 35+ benchwarmer goaltender being as they’ve basically fielded the same team since 1996.

Unproven, however, they are not.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

“kids” who are professional athletes all making at minimum a 6 figure salary in the most elite league in the world for their chosen sport. Youngest national team or not.

as far as their team being the youngest they’ve ice in some time…

Avg age:
USA – 27
CAN – 28

over the hill are we…?

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and Canada is pretty tilted with 90 year old grey beard on defense

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

blue line on Canada is remarkably older. Niedermayer is only a month older than Rafalski. But while the US has Orpik and Gleason as the next two oldest d men (at 29 and 27 respectively) Canada has Pronger at 35 and Boyle at 33.

Tack on Broduer’s 37 to Thomas’s 35, and Luongo’s 31 to Miller’s 29 and the “age gap” starts to appear (and I use “age gap” as loosely as I can here…)

Drury, Malone and Langenbrunner are the only forwards over 30 for the US. Canada has Iginla, Morrow, Thornton and Marleau. Of all these guys, I think Thornton or Marleau are probably the most superfluous. Swap either of them for a 20 yr old Stamkos and Canada’s average age is 27. Even a 25 year old Jeff Carter would bring the average age down to 27, so the gap just isn’t that significant…

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

also keep in mind that the media tailors to mindless idiots who want to think those sorts of things.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 23, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

no kidding, its as if making the NHl and being cornerstone players isnt proving yourself

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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 23, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

yep. pretty much the hfboards crowd

by birky on Feb 23, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i think this is more a case of ignorance and ineptitude than willful bending of facts.

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the exact same thing as Burke referring to them as ‘underdogs’. I

by Army13 on Feb 23, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

they were

i’ve been saying since at least Sept that Canada should be worried about the US team, but they were consistently gleaned over around these parts until very recently.

the US was not taken seriously until Sunday. By anybody.

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I was right there with you
I think I said “miller is fucking terrifying” about 1000 times

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

YOu and me both.

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I think Burke and Wilson liked this and encouraged it. Or at the very least, did not try to stop this public mindset. I’m sure behind closed doors with the team it was a different story.

by Army13 on Feb 23, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

with pro athletes, it always is. The fallacy that they just collect a paycheck and don’t care about winning is too far from the truth for most pro athletes, regardless of the sport.

they’ve spent their entire lives striving to be the best. that kind of passion, dedication and hunger doesn’t just go away. they all want to win, they all think they can win, and they all think they will win. that’s how they get to where they are.

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why the ‘march out of the lottery’ is unstoppable. You can’t suddenly tell these guys to tank. Coaching and management should NEVER do that with these athletes. It hurts though when that determination you speak of seems to come to little to late. Especially in LeafLand.

by Army13 on Feb 23, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

True story: one of the guys on my rugby team here in CA claimed that the US had the fewest NHL players in the tournament. He didn’t believe me when I told them they are ALL NHLers, and most are All-Stars.

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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 23, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

did you tell him he is an idiot?

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Several times. He couldn’t grasp the difference between having played hockey while in college and still being in college. In his mind guys like Kessel somehow still count as amateur college players. The guy is only a very casual hockey fan, and he is just buying into the narrative being spun down here that this is as unbelievable as beating the Soviets in 1980. On PTI they compared it to the US losing at American football or basketball to Canada.

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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 23, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yikes

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. But everybody wants to believe that a plucky David can beat Goliath, and David being almost as big as Goliath kind of ruins that narrative.

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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 23, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s ESPN

I think they’ve gone out of their way to minimize the NHL in any way they can since the NHL signed on with Versus.

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

PTI is the one program on ESPN where they usually are reasonable when they talk about hockey. But that is a pretty good point. The hyperbole surrounding that game down here is getting pretty fucking sickening.

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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 23, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually enjoy PTI, until any thing hockey related comes up. the anti NHL bias is on par with FOX news’ anti Democrat stance.

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I quite enjoy PTI. I don’t think Wilbon is that bad when he talks about hockey. Kind of uninformed, but generally positive. Kornheisser proves your point exactly, though.

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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 23, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Kornheisser seems to subscribe to the “the louder I talk, the more intelligent I am” theory…

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by blurr1974 on Feb 23, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he owe Pierre Mc|Guire royalties, or the other way around?

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by clrkaitken on Feb 23, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone know what time the game is gonna be on?

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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 23, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

not 100% sure, but I believe 4:30

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by Karina on Feb 23, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it is. Pacific of course. 7:30 eastern.

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by seankelly on Feb 23, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 23, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

TSN ALERT!
Ken Hitchcock recovering after leaping from press box on to center ice at GM place during morning skate Tuesday. Sources say he was chasing after the same chicken wing Luongo used to coax Brodeur from the net. More on Sportscentre tonight.

by Army13 on Feb 23, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

LMFAO!!!!

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by missy on Feb 23, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Game day thread?

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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 23, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

its up in fanshots

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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 23, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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