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Saying Goodbye: Vesa Toskala

Brian Burke, GM in the Vatican, is not quite St. Burkie yet. It sure looks like getting rid of Jason Blake's was a miracle even if his former parishioners make a great case for it being a win-win. Unless of course Vesa Toskala ever starts a game. I cannot believe that as soon as I was going to write another big post about Vesa Toskala and how terrible he was he got traded and I...get to write another big post about how terrible he was as a Toronto Maple Leaf.

As with Jason Blake, hope sprang eternal. Toskala was traded to the Leafs so long ago that the post I wrote about the trade was written on the old blogspot site. It definitely highlights the fact that I was desperately looking for the bright side in every move at that point. I even thought Mark Bell could contribute beyond scrambling Daniel Alfredsson's brains which, to be fair, was more than enough for me by then. But the post still had signs that unconsciously I knew what the outcome would be:

In a repeat of last year's move JFJ picked up a potential # 1 goalie who he will probably sign to a new contract in the next couple of months. The saying 'fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...well you won't fool me again' (Thanks Dubya) comes to mind. If Toskala doesn't pan out then it HAS to be JFJ's last chance. Right?

Turns out that Dubya was not right because JFJ did indeed get fooled again. At least I was right about Toskala getting signed to an extension before he played a single game for the Maple Leafs. Hell, a fortnight had not even passed:

...he was quickly signed to a 2 year $8M extension. The trade...addressed the Leafs' need to get better in net. Raycroft will benefit from...not having to start 42 games in a row. The extension bothers me...because Toskala has not earned it. Who knows how he will deal with the media fishbowl? The best way to look at it is that he is getting paid $9.375M for 3 years and after a great year the extension could look like a piece of brilliant work by JFJ (likely good enough to save his job) but if not then it will be the next GM's problem.

Uhh there might be some editing in there. Of course, I nailed the conclusion:

The long-term effects will probably be devastating if only because that's what it's like to be a Leafs fan...

Oh brother.

Star-divide

Things were off from the start. The price paid to once again plug a stop gap in the goaltending picture was heavy but was compounded by the fact that Toskala didn't care about his game. In fact, that little SOB never cared at all. He got paid and that was that. Even as we were trying to pronounce his name properly it turned out that we had it right all along. I like to think of this post as my magnus opus on Toskalol. I sure wish I had been way off of the mark. If there was a bright side to the bastard Finn's tenure it was that he brought out the best in the PPP community's creativity:

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floridaLEAF

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floridaLEAF

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floridaLEAF

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Travis Hair

The final straw (just kidding but I need to use that for the set up) came when I made the trek to Buffalo to see a friend's birthday and was treated to this goal:

The enduring memory of Toskala won't be his love of man purses, his chubbeh bunneh face, the phrase "gets through Toskala", or even the three draft picks that went out the door to get him. It will be this quotation which reiterated everything Ron Wilson and Brian Burke ever said about the sieve being lazy, unwilling to work, and resistant to change:

"Vesa is not a guy who likes to build relations with coaches. He preferred to be by himself," said Allaire. "To do that, to say, `I’m okay by myself, I know what to do,’ you have to be really good in this league in 2010.

"Everybody has a goaltending coach and it’s the little things that can make the difference."

Vesa Toskala is only 5'10" but he qualifies as little and he certainly made the difference this year for the Maple Leafs. I'd throw more numbers in but it might make me kill someone. The powerplay is atrocious for a lot of reasons but the biggest is Toskala's .750ish save percentage (the average is about .866) and his GAON/60 is 11.94. The latter is almost a five goal per 60 minutes difference from Jonas Gustavsson. Who knows how the season would have gone if this guy:

GPMINWLEGAGAGAASASVSV%SO
2009 - Vesa Toskala 26 1393 7 12 85 3.66 676 591 .874 1

had never stepped into the Leafs' crease. If his attitude wasn't repulsive enough his results certainly were.

The best thing about Vesa Toskala? Watching him leaver. I'm just sad that I'll never get to upper deck him.

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How will you remember Vesa Toskala?
Chubbeh Bunneh
25 votes
Toskalol
181 votes
One of the worst Leafs starting goalies since Peter Ing
194 votes
Lars Eller, Aaron Palushaj, and Craig Smith
37 votes

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needs more manpurrrssse

I'll roll up on you smooth and punch you in the jeans

by loser domi on Feb 3, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

YEa you forgot the Manpurse

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The enduring memory of Toskala won't be his love of man purses,

You forgot to read the entire post.

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by PPP on Feb 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

hahah! Chubbeh Bunneh!

Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

The Leafs’ pick from the Toskala deal is actually Lars Eller.

San Jose traded the Leafs’ 1st and 2nd picks to St. Louis for St. Louis’ first round pick (9th overall). San Jose grabbed Couture and the Blues got Eller and Aaron Palushaj.

My enduring memory of Toskala will be the malingering injuries. Nothing like a player putting a game or chunk of the season is jeopardy because he thinks he can play through an injury (and can’t).

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Feb 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

Ah ok

I read the wikipedia page incorrectly.

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by PPP on Feb 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Vesa was always willing to let anything get passed him

from a link in this morning’s FTB.

...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...

by El Monstruo on Feb 3, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I hate him

so.much.

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 3, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

Yea… I didn’t “hate” hate him but the fact that his confidence was more fragile then Colaiacovo’s glass jaw was always frustrating…

by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 3, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

lesson #89 in why PPP should not do predictions
The long-term effects will probably be devastating if only because that’s what it’s like to be a Leafs fan…

Yeah.

In all seriousness, I really think that had we had JSG from the start of the season, we’d be in a much different place right now….

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

1000% true

What irks are the rumours that this deal has been on the table for months as Toskala/JSG straight up. Burke was holding out to include Finger or Blake.

Honestly? If he made that trade straight up 2 months back, that has to have been worth 5 or so wins — also the distance between us at the rest of the teams scrambliing for 8th.

happy thoughts!

by pevans on Feb 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

meh

the cap space was needed, I am glad Burke had the patience that I wouldn’t have had.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

this is why he gets paid like he does, burke knows best. Could make a good tv show.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

know what I love?

Only three players on the Leafs make more than Burke: Kessel, Phaneuf and Giguere.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think that you could make this deal straight up without sacrificing the Phaneuf deal AND any chance at keeping Ian White.

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by PPP on Feb 3, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

completely agreed

No guarantees the Phaneuf deal would have happened if we’re within striking distance of .500 right now. (Not that I’m the world’s largest fan of that deal — yet)

but if we could have had Jiggy for Toskala 30 games ago, come on…

by pevans on Feb 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, Burke said he ask been asking about Phaneuf for a while, but that he’s only recently came available.
I think Burke had him in his plans if he could get him, and even if we were in the playoffs, if Phaneuf was available, he would’ve made the trade.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Peter Ing gets a bad rap.

Worst since Bunny, IMO….

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Feb 3, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

it is all much more recent than that, worse since raycoft

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 3, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Bunny and Raycroft would be an interesting tandem.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Feb 3, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The only time when live two goalies in the same net would be worse than one dead one?

In the Name of the Holy Truculence

by steve_w on Feb 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Damnit,

when live two live goalies

/fixed

In the Name of the Holy Truculence

by steve_w on Feb 3, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m more mad at JFJ than Toskala. That idiot really screwed us over.

"I will take the subway - we were on the subway last night...I'm not above riding the subway or riding on a bus, I don't care. As long as people don't hit me." --Ron Wilson

by Jo4nny on Feb 3, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

To think some people blamed Sundin for the mess the team was in in 07-08…. I wish to God Mats was here in his prime right now

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Sundin on this team…..lordy

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 3, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i can dream, his last years here were so wasted with all the bullshit surrounding the club.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

it pains me just to think about it.

Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.

by daoust on Feb 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

me too…. /sigh

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

to paraphrase DGB

In kessel, the Leafs finally have found the winger to play with Mats Sundin.

Honestly, just imagine.

by pevans on Feb 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

those atrocious teams were a point or two out of a playoff spot for god’s sake. without mats, well… it would have looked a lot like now i reckon.

Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.

by daoust on Feb 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I was firmly of the belief for most of his tenure that Sundin had zero leadership qualities. I had to rethink that near the end of his time as a Maple Leaf. If nothing else in my mind it caused me gloss over the amazing things that he DID accomplish in the blue and white.

Oh Sundin, how I miss you! I apologize for taking you for granted!

In the Name of the Holy Truculence

by steve_w on Feb 3, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This

just got rec’d for previously unspeakable and unbelievable truth.

Wendel Killer Joseph

by MapleLeafMole on Feb 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Preach it, brother

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Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 3, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

true

But in the end the fault is the corporate board and their interference in hockey club operations. (i.e. the re-signing of Domi, for instance).

Ferguson never had a true say in the operations of this club. He had one mandate – make the playoffs. All the board saw were the dollar signs from getting the team back to even one futile first round. When he failed to do even that, he was fired.

Which is why many of us are suspicious about Burke’s moves in dealing away 1st round picks and trying desperately to get into the playoffs again, instead of building patiently through the draft. Maybe even Burke doesn’t have a mandate to do that.

by Peter de Chatham on Feb 3, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

there was no way the addition of kessel pushed the leafs into the playoffs

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 3, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

not yet

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't

His mandate is to “re-tool” while trying to make the playoffs.

Burke has said he has not been asked to tear the team down and build through the draft. It’s to re-tool and make the playoffs at the same time.

wish I had links

Wendel Killer Joseph

by MapleLeafMole on Feb 3, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

does someone have

a picture of the door hitting Dogshit in the ass on his way out?? That’s the enduring memory of Toskala I’d like to have.

Dumping Toskala and Blake on the same day … for anything at all or nothing at all (well, anything except Wade Redden and his contract) … is a fucking miracle. Down on yer knees beyotches, and pray !!!1

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Feb 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

I may have one in the works.

In the Name of the Holy Truculence

by steve_w on Feb 3, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw you Toskalol. I hate you and JFJ more than you will ever know. Have fun picking splinters out of your ass in Anaheim and whereever the hell you land next year (because it sure as hell won’t be in any NHL rink).

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Feb 3, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

oh oh

let’s say Gainey trades one of Halak or price…

Imagine if he signed Toskalol… that would be… perfect.

...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...

by El Monstruo on Feb 3, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll bet a fair amount of money that he’ll sign Turco.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

for 5 million

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 3, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

make that 5 million lollypops

"I will take the subway - we were on the subway last night...I'm not above riding the subway or riding on a bus, I don't care. As long as people don't hit me." --Ron Wilson

by Jo4nny on Feb 3, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a lot of those in montreal, considering the guild being there and everything.

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 4, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

and Blake until 2012
LOL

"I will take the subway - we were on the subway last night...I'm not above riding the subway or riding on a bus, I don't care. As long as people don't hit me." --Ron Wilson

by Jo4nny on Feb 3, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the thing about Blake

is in ANA, he’ll be used in a roll that, and the expectations of him, will be more akin to his skill set. He signed in TO under the guise of sniper, which is what we needed. ANA has Ryan, Perry and Getzlaf. Blake could never put up another point again, and the team will be fine (cap hit withstanding.) The Leafs aren’t built like that. We needed 40 goal Jason Blake (aka the anomaly) not 20 goal Jason Blake (the reality.)

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Feb 3, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

My enduring memory of Toskalol

will be the opening minute of the second game of the season, when Ovechkin beat him from the blueline with a wrister. It was at that point that I realized that last year wasn’t just an off year, but Toskala was a really bad goalie. I think his teammates realized it too, and it set the tone for a bad season.

by DeanoTPS on Feb 3, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

same, the exact same thing happened next time they were in washington as well. Almost EXACTLY the same way

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

only the second time he wasnt partially screened he had a clear veiw of the shooter!

also, remember when he ducked that Stamkos wrister?

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 3, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

hah, which one?

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i ripped vesa on his facebook page and there are these people calling him a great leaf and how we will regret losing him….. fucking nutbars they are

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

All of them

must be Toskala

Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!

by Shield on Feb 4, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the pic you have at the top...

Is it just my computer or is the YouTube video not working?

What exactly happened to Toskala? He looked pretty good as Nabokov’s backup in San Jose, and at the beginning in Toronto he was pretty good too, right?

Ovechkin = Green Backs

by red army line on Feb 3, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

Are you shitting me?

Proud supporter of Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.

by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 3, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

amazing

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Feb 3, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d tell him to not let the door hit him in the ass on the way out, but that’s already a given.

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by SkinnyFish on Feb 3, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yeesssssssssssssssss.

Proud supporter of Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.

by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 3, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing about Toskala is that he’s way below league average for goaltending. But as well, it’s hard to pin down league average. One thing that strikes me as interesting is that we can never pin down a number. For instance, if .915 or .910 is league average goaltending, how is LA doing so well with Quick and his .908 average??
I dunno, I just worry that we’re over estimating Vesa’s effect on the team.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

i refer you to our W/L record, .GAA and .SVP since he left

but fine. I see your point.

I know the whole team has had many problems this year, but I got so tired of reading and hearing how the team was terrible, and plenty of blame to go around, and blah blah blah… then I’d watch a game and Vesa would give away a goal on the first floating wrister than came towards his glove, on a play he wasn’t screened on.

There is absolutely no way you can tell me the team as a whole deserved to go winless in 8 games to open the season. My memories are a bit hazy, but as i recall we got our asses handed to us by the Rangers, Pens and Caps in the first few games. There’s three losses. But the rest, in our 1-12 start? Do you remember opening night against Montreal? Do you remember outplaying everyone on Vancouver but Luongo? Or Craig Anderson and Colorado? or the infamous Dwayne Roloson Game?

His SVP was below .800 at one point. I can’t stress how difficult it is to win a hockey game when you can’t give up more than 4 shots against before getting scored on.

Toskala didnt’ just suck. He was a liability.

We get the next 30 games to see what the problems with the rest of the team are.

Then some other goal would go in another way 3 minutes later.

by pevans on Feb 3, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying that Toskala wasn’t a huge problem. Just that he masked our other problems as well.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

we didnt have enough guys who were willing to lay their bodies on the line to block shots and rub guys out, leaving guys all alone in front or just simply throwing the puck up the middle or falling over. The defence was not good enough to say the least, but vesa pretty much never bailed out his teammates, every mistake they made ended up in the net. It was a vicious cycle.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 3, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Vicious cycle is exactly it. Guys were blocking for Giguere yesterday…. I have a feeling Vesa just never tried to get along with the team.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Feb 3, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think many of the guys were too found of vesa either

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Feb 4, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Referring to W/L record

 Toskala’s winning percentage was actually better than Gustavsson’s when he departed, or fraction less abysmal.

by JPKangas on Feb 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Gustavsson took the loss in 2 or 3 games after Toskala got yanked. Kinda skews the numbers a little

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Toskala Cap Counter - RIP

by clrkaitken on Feb 3, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel dirty.

I was still defending this guy as recently as the trade deadline last year.

He was “injured” and had been “hung out to dry” by poor team play.

Guess we know how that one worked out, so here’s the obligatory “I was wrong, and you were right” post. Good riddance; I wish I’d known about that “doesn’t want to be coached” stuff before today. Jerk!

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by jrwendelman on Feb 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

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