Saying Goodbye: Ian White
Hi, my name is PPP and I used to hate Ian White. Before the beginning of last year I wanted nothing to do with the moustachulent one. To be fair, he had not grown his moustache then. I thought that he was not too small to play defence in the NHL. The end result of that size problem was that he frequently bailed on the puck to avoid contact and was manhandled all over the ice. I had seen enough to know that he was never going to be more than maybe a seventh defenceman until someone better could be developed. I certainly wasn't alone in thinking that Ian White was never going to be more than a scrub. And then we got to see the kind of story that highlights why people can get so attached to drafted players.
A new head coach came in and decided that Ian White was not worth a spot in the starting line-up. Frankly, most were not surprised. When he finally made it into the lineup it was as a forward. Eventually, a spot opened on the blueline and White grabbed his opportunity by the throat and never let go until the day he left. The progress is really amazing to look at:
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2008-2009 Behind The Net Stats - Top rated regular defenceman, facing the 2nd toughest minutes among regular defencemen behind only Luke Schenn, all the while skating with the weakest teammates.
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2009-2010 Behing The Net Stats - Top rated regular defenceman, facing the 2nd toughest minutes among regular defencemen behind only Francois Beauchemin, all the while skating with only the third best teammates.
The numbers are even more impressive when you consider that in every category his numbers were better than the player that is generally regarded as the Toronto Maple Leafs best defenceman Tomas Kaberle. This isn't meant to pass judgment on our classy Czech simple to show how far Ian White came. IT reminded me of Norm MacDonald's monolgue when he returned to host SNL a few months after getting fired (here's video just after he got canned from his role as the Weekend Update anchor):
"So imagine my surprise when I got traded. I mean, I went from being so bad that I wasn't allowed to step on the ice to being so talented that I was traded for Dion Phaneuf!"
If you are curious about just how Ian White compares to his peers these two posts by clrkaitken are must reads (incidentally, if you are wondering what FanPosts are for those two are also good examples of the kind of writing that fits). At the end of the day, you have to give up value to get value back. There has been a lot written about Ian White being the better player but that's only when you look at this particular season. Aside from having the most goals, power play goals, game winning goals, and something else (I can't find it on Google now but I saw it on TSN so help me out) for defenceman since entering the league Dion Phaneuf has had four seasons with at least 47 points while this is going to be the first time Ian White breaks 26 points in his career.
I understand the complaints that 'suddenly' Ian White has reached his peak while Dion Phaneuf has the potential to improve on his current 22 points. Why weren't these issues brought up before? Part of it is simply the psychology of being a fan. There are plenty of pratfalls in this deal without adding the fact that the Leafs might have traded away a massive part of an excellent blueline. It's much more fun to look on the bright side of life. That also explains why no one talked about White having peaked or whether he was close to his peak while he was a Leaf. But that's all in the past. Certainly I think most wish of us with Ian White the best. So let's focus on the great times he had as a Leaf specifically this one which summed up why Ian White was labelled Moustachulent and why he had become a cult figure in Leafland:
Great Days in Moustache History: November 2, 2008 - The Power of Wendel Compels Him
When you need someone to lay down the law
WHITE DO GOOD!

Chemmy
I'm pretty sure he could have charged a lot more than a quarter
Goodbye you stud. We'll miss you.
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I remember at the beginning of last season, how we were all calling for Ian White to be gone. He had so many horrible turnovers in front of our net.
The great thing is, if this is what Ron Wilson can do with Ian White and his talent…. what can he do with Phaneuf? WOOOO
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Feb 4, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions
I love this kid.
I was in Germany last fall and missed most of the beginning of the season. When I got back, a buddy told me we’d probably seen the last of Ian White. I’d had hopes for him since he started getting called up for spot duty – his “unheralded guy making unexpected strides” persona exactly fits the profile of the kinds of players I gravitate toward – so I was disappointed, but I filed it under shit happens. A 6th round pick failing to establish himself in the NHL is far from a big shocker. I was really happy to see him eventually get back into the lineup though, and when he really took the bull by the horns this year, I was over the moon. He was easily my favourite player on this year’s team.
I like the trade (I’m a fan, not a moron), but letting go of Ian White was definitely the toughest part for me to get my head around. I think he’s got a bright future. I have to think Calgary was at least talking to his agent before being willing to pull the trigger on this one, and I hope he gets a big payday from them.
Can Dion Phaneuf grow a moustache?
I have a thing I never update and a Twitter account
Can Dion Phaneuf grow a moustache?
I think that that might be the most important question of all.
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by PPP on Feb 4, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When the trade went through, I started image searching “Dion Phaneuf beard” for comparison purposes. It only returned pictures of Elisha Cuthbert.
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by puckurgently on Feb 4, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 4, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Funny you should ask.
I saw some close-up photos of Phaneuf the other day and noticed that he canNOT grow a mustache. The guy just has a few whiskers.
I am prepared for the backlash
I will remember most were all the cries for him to be named captain, and scoffing at them. The guy was a good defenceman, but captain? Those were ridiculous.
For some reason, I am not as sad about his departure as other people around here, however, it could just be my epic man crush on Dion that clouds my judgment
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Out of all the players going it’s a toss up of Hagman and White of which player I’ll miss the most in these trades. Wilson really righted the ship with White and turned him from a spare part to a critical piece of the Leafs defense core. Sad to see him go, even sadder to see XLB taint the number #7 days later.
Good Luck in Calgary, Ian.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 4, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions
This
Has to be the most Moustachulent moment… EVAR!!!
White dumps and destroys Eric Cole
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Dammit
That was the video I wanted to put in there!
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Haha, yeah i think the pic you have is from this moment though.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Gabe Desjardins ran some numbers that suggested that Wilson was masterful in doling out the ice time to White, giving him a huge number of offensive zone face-offs. This is certainly not to take anything away from White, but that type of strategic territorial advantage helps explain some of his great numbers.
I was a big fan of White mostly because of his price-tag and willingness to do whatever it took to stay in the line-up.
In the end he defined buying low-selling high.
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Yeah
I think the avg D gets 52% offensive zone face-offs and White was getting 60% this year IIRC.
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In the end he defined buying low-selling high.
This is what I believe too. Only time will tell, of course, but I believe that Wilson and the Leafs were getting everything that could be expected of White and more. The facts are that this level of performance probably can’t continue.
For me, the defining Ian White memory was one game (I wish I could recall the opponent right now) when we were down to like 3D in the 3rd period because of injuries and penalties. White was a beast, he played like the entire 3rd period. I loved the way he took it like a man when he got banished to the pressbox, didn’t bitch and moan, then played his ass off when he got the chance to get in the lineup again. Heart and soul.
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oddly enough
all though i was a big fan of his (eventually…) I’m actually kind of “meh” on his departure.
Wish him the best of luck, but don’t feel like it’s all that great a loss
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by blurr1974 on Feb 4, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions
I’m actually a lot less depressed about losing him also. I think its probably due to his lackluster play leading up to when he was traded. Plus, he’s in the west so I can at least cheer for him to do well.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Im actually more broken up over Hagman, but thats just from a hockey standpoint
a cheap 30 goal scorer who is as solid 2 ways is going to be more difficult for the leafs to replace than white IMO
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 4, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah… It’s too bad hagman could never produce consistently… he has some amazing talent, but the streakiness was very frustrating.
I’m going to miss both of them.. .but I’m real happy with the return we got. Even more so if Sjostrom can shore up our PK troubles some. (Granted it’s been better the last 3 or 4 games).
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by RepressedOptimism on Feb 4, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think Shoestorm and Giggy will do wonders for the PK
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 4, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
White was brutal in January, especially that devils game last friday, we pretty much lost that game because of his horrible turnovers, but even still. He was a warrior for us, but Id take Dion 10/10 without thinking twice.
Hagman was the best move Fletcher made and his offence will be missed, but still if you said Phaneuf for White, but you have to throw in Hagman, id still do it 10/10.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
yeah, Hagman will be hard to replace, but there are maybe 10-15 defensemen in the NHL id take over Phaneuf, and the leafs already have one of them
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 4, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Komi?
Beauchemin?
Kabby?
inquiring minds need to know
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 4, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Kabby
top 3 offensive defenseman in the NHL on THE LEAFS definitely makes top 15 NHL defensemen
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 4, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I know a lot of you are saying you won’t miss him, but I will and so will the team. He was always solid (yeah he did take some dumb penalties once in a while – but what Leafs player hasn’t this year?), always worked hard and was a good role model on the ice for the younger guys with his work ethic. It’s kind of sad though that the head coach never said that about him as much as he did other guys (Blake, Wallin – wtf is that about?).
Anyway, I wish him the best of luck in the future, I’ll always be a fan.
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by Another Good Kingston Boy on Feb 4, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions
I don’t think anyone is saying they won’t miss him, just that they aren’t as sad to see him go as they thought they’d be. I already said this probably has something to do with his recent decline in level of play, but its probably mostly to do with the deal he was involved in.
If we had traded him for a mid-level prospect or a 2nd rounder, I would be sad and probably livid, since he is probably better than either would ever be. Whereas here, we are getting 2 NHLers (one a potential superstar) and a prospect. Even though we lost White and Hagman, I’d much rather have the return we got for this package then doing what Cliff or JFJ would have done, which is to trade them off individually for 2nd and 3rd round picks
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Wilson didn’t say much about White in public because the media was never really after him. We’ve no idea what was said behind closed doors.
The coach doesn’t need to be a public cheerleader for guys who are already being looked to as a beacon of all that is right. The media jumped on the whole “White for Captain” bandwagon, and more than one article was written about his ability to possibly replace Kaberle. Ian White was already getting high praise, so why does Wilson need to pile it on?
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by blurr1974 on Feb 4, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad I didn't buy that White jersey
Even without that, I’ll still miss White. But I think Dion will fill the void.
by Its Cold In Here on Feb 4, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Well he’s obviously better at filling voids than Sean Avery.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
I’ll miss White. Straight up – without thinking about who we got for him or any other factors – just based on his play here, I will miss him.
When I think he was part of a package that brought in Phaneuf, it’s cool.
Somehow having White and Phaneuf on the same team would’ve been gold. Would’ve never happened.
Wendel Killer Joseph
the reason im not as upset about white leaving as I maybe could have been is mostly because we are a 29th place team getting rid of players who have been part of losing here for so long. White had nice numbers and all, but the whole dynamic of the dressing room and the team on ice just had to change, and not just by replacing 1 or 2 guys. Significant change had to take place and i was happier about that than i was about getting phaneuf.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
It is hard to argue that dumping one third of a 29th place team is a bad thing, no matter the merits of any of the individual players dumped. Something had to give in a big way.
Not only are Poni and Kabs the only two Leafs pre-dating the lockout, I believe they’re the only two Leafs pre-dating 2008-2009.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 4, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I've been thinking since the trade
Nobody will ever be able to say that this team isn’t entirely Burke’s, as they do when saying the Cup winning Ducks weren’t actually his work.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Another positive, since we’re looking for them, is I can’t identify a single ex-player from the 2007-2008 that has pulled a Steve Sullivan on us. Guys like Antro and Kubina are producing at established levels, but nobody’s turned into a better player than they were with us. Many (Steen, Colaiacovo come to mind) have turned out to be just as disappointing elsewhere as they were with us, while others have been much worse (Wellwood, Moore).
The only arguable exception is Stralman, who’s on pace for almost 35 points and is playing 2nd pair minutes in Columbus. However, Columbus sucks almost as much as the Leafs, his points are almost all on the PP (guys like Commodore and Klesla—in half as many games—have as many or more EV points), and he’s got the worst +/- among the team’s D. I don’t think he’s really exceeding what any of us expected of him, and I don’t see any place for him on our team going forward.
Bottom line, it seems our talent evaluation is getting much better. That has to be a good sign.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 4, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
well, Wellwood did have those 18 goals last year, but I think everyone (Canucks fans included) know that was a fluke.
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by Karina on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
but only 27 points. And as FF points out he’s been dreadful this year. He’s clearly never approached what he did for us in 2006-2007.
Point being, I can’t think of a single Leaf jettisoned in the last two years that I now regret losing.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
yes I completely agree.
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by Karina on Feb 4, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rask…..
but i guess that was 3 years
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 4, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's a four-letter word, go wash your mouth out with soap
I’m talking just about guys who skated for the Leafs. The Jason Smiths, Steve Sullivans, Freddie Modins of the world.
Prospect evaluation has been another matter. Uggh. But again it appears to be much improved under Burke/Nonis.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 4, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
fair point
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 4, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
That still annoys me when people say Burke didn’t have anything to do with the Ducks. If you look at that cup-winning roster, over half the players were brought in by Burke and another few were brought in before Bryan Murray even. Actually Murray is only responsible for 4 or 5 players from that squad.
Sorry, still annoyed at all those articles from 2008.
by Screaming Will on Feb 4, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
the only significant players on that ducks team brought in by murray were getzlaf and perry, cant remember if he brought in giguere or not.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
What I find Funny about Burkes past history
is that Canuck fans are constantly bashing him and complaining about tampering..
Um, he DID get the Sedins…. you guys should STFU about Brian Burke and kiss the ground he walks on, you ungrateful SOB’s
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 4, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
And Dave Nonis DID get them Roberto Luongo. Seriously, if it weren’t for Burke and Nonis the Canucks would suck right now.
Although I’ll give Gillis credit should he actually win a Cup because I’m not a *NSNES fan who thinks Bryan Murray won the Ducks cup instead of Brian Burke.
Truculence...starting 10/1/09
The biggest names on the Canucks added by Gillis are Wellwood, Demitra and Samuelsson.
Bwahahahahahahaha……..
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
and now they think Hodgson, playing his first OHL game in like a year tonight, should come be their 3rd C…. /sigh
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by Karina on Feb 4, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
The biggest names on the Canucks added by Gillis are Wellwood, Demitra and Samuelsson.
Is that in order by size?
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he’s also forgetting Ehrhoff.
But yeah, that seems to be in order by size.
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by Karina on Feb 4, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
He also helped to desecrate He Who was Our Soul, Mats Sundin.
You dumped a truck full of money at him, and had him convinced he could just stroll into an NHL season.
You destroyed that which I loved, and prevented him from retiring where he should have.
Fuck Mike Gillis.
by Death_By_Leafs on Feb 4, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
some of the youngsters won’t be burke’s either – kulemin, schenn, stalberg – but that’s about it.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
So if any of those three end up being bona-fide stars (ala Getzlaf or Perry), people will say that JFJ actually built the cup winning team… LOL! yeah okay.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Although I do remember hearing rumblings that he reason Fletcher drafted Schenn was because he knew that it was only a matter of time before Burke was brought on and Schenn fit perfectly Burke’s idea of a physical, shut-down defenceman. That is of course pure speculation, but I can see the logic of it.
by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 4, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Also keep in mind that Burke obviously has definite opinions about who should go (e.g. Tlusty, Stralman) and who should stay (those mentioned by Daoust). The latter are effectively his guys now. Once this coming offseason’s UFA crop is cleared out I think that with the exception of Finger this is 100% Burke’s team.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 4, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
John Mitchell has to go as well – he’s a fergie ferg guy
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 4, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
My Tribute to Ian White:
I first became a Leafs fan because one of my Finns, Hagman, became a Leaf. Then I noticed this guy with a moustache and I liked him. He and Nik became my reason for watching the team.
Now that White’s gone, I have nobody left on the Leafs :(
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 4, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions
Giggy!
Phaneuf!
Schenn!
Kessel!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I love how all but one of those guys is new this year.
Kulemin!
Poni!
Ninja!
BRIAN BURKE!!!
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
From NHL.com
“Mason has been mired in a season-long slump and is just 13-18-6 with a 3.28 goals-against average and .890 save percentage. His GAA is better than only Atlanta’s Ondrej Pavelec (3.43) and Anaheim’s Vesa Toskala (3.66). His save percentage also is among the worst in the NHL. "
The buzz lives on.
One last time...

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by Travis Hair on Feb 4, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Ian...
Since last year I had hoped that the Leafs would find a way to leverage your breakout year into something great. Now that they’ve done that, kudos for being a trooper about the whole “playing at forward” thing.
Also, thanks for telling me you thought my Wendel NHL10 cover was cool. I appreciated it. The way you yelled at those autograph hunters was pretty wicked.
heh
Yes.
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by PPP on Feb 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Fare Thee Well Mustached One
When I was telling my girlfriend (Sharks fan) about the trade her reaction was: “Isn’t White the guy whose mustache you like?”
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 4, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions
I’m from Winnipeg Manitoba. Ian White is from Steinbach Manitoba. On Saturday night i met a guy from stienbach whose brother is great friends with White. I considered myself to then have only three degrees of separation between me and The Stached One. Woke up the next morning to find that he was a Flame. Good luck in Calgary my (basically after Saturday night) best friend.
Kovalchuk is being traded to the New Jersey Devils, per Kevin Allen. Makes me feel a little less confident about Friday…
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