Kessel vs. Malkin: A Graphical Comparison
Editor's Note: Van Ryn's Neurologist takes a look at the progression of Phil Kessel and Evgeni Malkin's produciton this season.
There has been a lot of debate this season about how the two first round and one second round pick that Brian Burke paid for Phil Kessel. As we all know, Kessel came out of the gates strong this season, but went on a long dry spell. He's now getting hot again, which made me wonder what his stats look like over time compared to other top-notch players in the league (the kind we would have no problems paying those picks for). Luckily, my ESPN fantasy league has a feature that allows you to graphically compare stats between two players. The results are sometimes interesting, sometimes surprising.
I chose Malkin for three reasons:
- Kessel and Malkin have a similar number of goals
- Malkin obviously plays on a far better team, with far better players around him, so I wanted to see how Kessel would match up
- Malkin is an 'elite', young player, that people have debated as being better than Crosby, so obviously has great value.
Remember, Kessel didn't play his first game until November 3rd, but Malkin has only played 4 more games than Kessel. Obviously, Kessel also didn't have a training camp or a pre-season.
So, ladies and gentlemen, I give to you Kessel vs. Malkin:
Goals:
It's pretty clear from this graph that Malkin and Kessel are quite comparable in this stat. In fact, before Kessel played a single game, Malkin had scored 4 goals, but Kessel beat him to the 12 goal mark, scoring at a great pace. Kessel's production dropped off late December/early January, but he seems to be scoring at a better pace again. I wouldn't be surprised if Kessel ends up with more goals than Malkin in most seasons, especially if he can get a premier set-up C.
Assists:
Obviously, Malkin is on pace to get far more assists than Kessel, but Kessel's production looks surprisingly good considering that Malkin had 10 assists before Kessel even played a game. This is where a better supporting cast would help Kessel. I think we saw early on that Kessel can actually make a good playmaker at times, assuming he's got someone to pass to that can put the puck in the net.
Power-Play Goals:
Kessel and Malkin have almost identical PPG production. Malkin had 4 before Kessel got his first, and now they're separated by 5. With Malkin playing along guys like Crosby all seaons on the PP, you'd expect him to be far outpacing Kessel. Who knows how many PPGs Kessel could score with Dion on the point, and with an elite set-up guy like Crosby.
Power-Play Assists:
Again, Phil's production is quite impressive stacked up to Malkin, especially when you figure who Malkin has been playing with on the PP. The dry-spell between November and January I think corresponds to a time when the Leaf's PP when 0-for-167,852.
Game-Winning Goals:
For those of you in doubt of what Kessel brings, I think this seals the deal. Kessel, playing on a team that has less than 20 wins, already has as many GWGs as Malkin. Granted, GWGs are spread-out somewhat randomly sometimes, especially on a Penguins team with many goal-scorers. But the stats are impressive nonetheless. This guy is clutch, and I suspect, will only keep getting better as games get bigger.
Verdict:
Obviously, there are a lot of differences between Kessel and Malkin that aren't shown by comparing stats head to head. There's also the huge difference between centers and wingers in terms of the type of points they get. But I think these graphs demonstrate that Kessel's production matches up to elite players on elite teams.
Are you convinced? Is Kessel keeping pace with elite players in the league? Are our expectations too high?
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Who expected more?
Really?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Exactly
When he got his 20th last night, I was thinking (well this is what we expected him to get on the season, and there’s still 20 games left!)
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yeah, he has also proven to be a MUCH better passer and smarter set up man than advertised and he actually can, and often does, backcheck and make smart, decisive plays in the defensive end
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 7, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I actually left of the +/- stats, but in case you were wondering:

Phil never really gets into the plus side too high, which is not surprising considering how dreadful our goals-against has been this year, but he’s not getting too low on the negative either. In fact, he’s arguably a better defensive player than a guy like Malkin, considering how far Malkin dropped in the last half of this season.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
yes.
I think that’s when Pittsburgh started sucking. But it’s a worthwhile comparison I think. People have criticized Malkin in the past for being a floater. We can’t say the same about Phil.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
It reminds me of when Mogilny came over from the Devils . There was so much talk of his defensive liabilities which didn’t really seem to pan out. I think Kessel is above that. I’d go so far as to say he is reliable defensively in 5 on 5 situations.
…. That doesn’t mean I think he’d fare well one on one against a rushing forward though, he just fulfills his responsibilities.
In the Name of the Holy Truculence
If you think about it
Many prospects are 21 years of age, sometimes older than that. So technically speaking, you could say we have a 21 year old prospect that just so happens to pot 30+ goals a year. Yay!
I’m actually wondering whether Phil really has a 40+ goal season in him or not. I think 30+ obviously, especially if he does a little more in the off season to prepare. But I don’t know where is ceiling is.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think so
I think his ceiling would be probably around 90 points? I think all the potential is there, it just depends on who he’s playing with.
it's a tall ceiling
Imagine a setup man for him who has to be respected for scoring too and another winger that works hard to dig for pucks and can sometimes score (renberg, tucker etc) then you can’t exactly focus in on Kessel. The guy exploits nano-second advantages and gets rid of the puck so fast. If he had more time who’s to say he can’t score 50? His shot is ridiculous. He’s still probably getting back to 100% he missed a lot of time in his rookie year then in his 3rd year. Those kinds of things can set you back. If this is the setback Phil, what’s the real Phil like?/
Why can’t he get 40 goals? He has 20 right now after missing the start of the season. He could get 30 this year, meaning with the extra games he’s missed, he could get 40 next year if he’s healthy.
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i dunno.
I’m just trying not to overblow his potential in my mind.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Are you Hanzi from the Stern show?
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Feb 7, 2010 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
From the first game
Where he had 10 shots and no points I knew he was worth it. He’s got sniper’s instincts i haven’t seen on the Leafs before. Every time he shoots he’s either trying to catch the goalie off balance with odd timing, or he’s sniping at corners or using screens. He’s got a ridiculous release and I swear since he’s come Kulemin’s has gotten better too.
He is useless if the other team is triple-teaming him which I was seeing. Phaneuf should back some people off him on the PP now. He always seems ready and he has no qualms about firing off shots which has long been one of our problems. To me he’s best compared to Mike Gartner and Gartner is in the Hall of fame.
I’ll trade 2-3 picks for a young bona-fide talent 100% of the time. We as Leafs fans are super weary of this transaction because of our history. The 1st rounders we gave up before were for Leetch, Nolan, Kurvers, Clark/Schneider etc. None of those guys come close to Kessel for skill/age ratio. I always complained that we haven’t gotten a star in his youth since Sundin and now we got 2 in one season. I’m perfectly happy with the Kessel trade.
since the lockout?
If you leave out Mogilny (at the end of his nhl life) or McCabe who was not really super great or the Gilmour trade for MacAuly/Smith/Sulllivan which we ruined, then this is the first great player we have got since Sundin.
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by Chemmy on Feb 7, 2010 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by PPP on Feb 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
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This is the best arguement for the Kessel trade that I’ve read.
I am known to be an antagonist of this trade and you may have swayed me.
Great qualitative analysis, I was tired of stats.
The first bonafide star since Sundin – I can live with that arguement.
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by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
All those guys were before the lockout. With the exception of Sundin of course.
Chuck is saying that none of those guys were really stars, that you have to go back even further to find a Leafs star.
by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 7, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you mean
Kessel is the best player to skate for us since the lockout. But i’m saying he’s the first star we got in a trade since Sundin. That’s since 1994. 16 years between great players under age 24.
Oh ok gotcha
And yeah I definitely agree, it’s great to have a player in a Leaf uniform finally that is up their with the other superstars in the league.
Thanks for this breakdown! While we obviously can’t start saying “KESSEL IS THE BEST THING SINCE EVAR!” he certainly compares well to a high pedigree player like Malkin.
I personally believe he has more to give, but even if he stays at relatively this level he’s still pretty darn good.
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KESSEL IS THE BEST THING SINCE EVAR
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by blurr1974 on Feb 7, 2010 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
forever ever?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 7, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
EVAR AND EVAR AND EVAR
X INFINITY
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by blurr1974 on Feb 7, 2010 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Great comparison, whats really impressed me about phil this year is how well hes handled the media. Remember when we first picked him up one of the main concerns was how he was going to handle the pressure of playing in TO, hes done great even during that 12 game drought
And the ‘drought’ wasn’t exactly a drought; he didn’t score but he still put up points in the form of assists.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Well, the media seemed to react like it was a true drought… and like Golden Gopher said, he seemed to handle it well.
He obviously isn’t going to be the team media representitive but hey, that’s fine. His play is speaking for him.
Hopefully we’ll get to see how he handles the added pressure of PLAYOFFS!!1 in T.O. soon.
In the Name of the Holy Truculence
Malkin’s widely acknowledged to be having a poor season, and he also plays with exceptionally poor teammates given the weak supporting wingers on the Penguins.
Look at the difference for Kessel.
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I don’t disagree that he’s having a poor season, but he does he not get PP time with Crosby and Gonchar?
I also am not trying to make the case that Kessel is better than Malkin, but rather, that even on an average-to-bad team, and with a fairly significant dry-spell, Kessel’s production can match up to players that people consider to be among the best in the league (even if Malking is having an “off” season, he’s still Malkin).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
So compare the PP numbers then… keeping in mind the Pens have had one of the league’s worst PP’s ever since Bylsma took over. Malkin’s one of the league’s dominant even strength players even playing with junk.
Me, I’d compare Kessel and Malkin like this:
Career GP and points
Malkin: 293 and 363
Kessel: 269 and 165
And Malkin’s no passenger on that team — he’s a huge reason why they’re good!
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First, again I’m not trying to say that Kessel is better than Malkin, but rather trying to evaluate his worth relative to the superstars of the league.
Second, I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Malkin entered the league in his rookie year averaging more than 19 minutes a game. Kessel, on the other hand, has been averaging less than 17 every year except for this year. And less than 16 in his first two years. In Boston he played on a defensive-style team, on the 3rd or 4th line, and with virtually no PP time. Malkin has always been a first or second line player, and a first PP unit player. And his teammates are sorta good.
Again, don’t take this as pure fandom. I’m simply trying to evaluate Kessel’s worth, and I think he stacks up. Do you disagree?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
OK
Looking at last years stats:
Malkin’s Corsi relative to quality of team: -.583
Kessel’s Corsi relative to quality of team: 1.374
BOOM! LAWYERED!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Their behindthenet ratings are pretty similar:
Malkin: 1.14
Kessel: .92
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm really not
trying to make this a Kessel vs. Malkin comparison. It’s apples and oranges. It’s more about Kessel vs. value of the picks compared to someone LIKE Malkin and the value of the picks….
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think there’s a lot of merit in this type of comparison. I would really like to see it re-done comparing Kessel to a winger and including a look at evens and how GFON/60 and GAON/60 compare.
If you want to keep the age comparable, you could run Bobby Ryan, Patrick Kane, Patric Hornqvist, James Neal, etc.
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That sounds great.
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by PPP on Feb 8, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
i may work on this
depending on how bored I am at work today.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 8, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Age
Malkin came into the league older and from a more competitive league as well.
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by PPP on Feb 8, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
You know what Malkin needs?
Alexei Ponikarovsky
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by PPP on Feb 7, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely. It might even be worth a first to make that match happen, I say.
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A first would be really sweet, and Burke would be crazy not to take one.
But we need him too! We don’t have any shrimps in our forward corps, but Poni is our biggest body, and the only one who has a decent garbage-goal nose. Also, we have a dearth of (dare I even say it) top-six wingers. Hell, maybe we re-sign him after trading him away, but that’s pretty rare. After the blockbuster deals of last week, I’d give some serious thought to keeping a few players around.
I've always said
The biggest difference between forwards on teams like the Pens and teams like the Leafs is not the “Top 6”, it’s the Top 3 (or for the Penguins specifically, Top 2). I’d match the Leafs 3-6 pre-trade (Hagman, Poni, Bozak, Stempniak) against the Pens (Guerin, Kunitz, Staal, Dupuis). The problem is Crosby/Malkin are WAY better than Stajan/Kessel.
Gotta agree with PPP too, Poni would look really good with Malkin.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 7, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and I think they’re seriously thinking about that. No Penguins scout at the game last night though… I could see the Flyers coming into play for him.
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The Flyers would do that
just to piss the Penguins off – let alone make some playoff noise.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 7, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
the leafs will get a better pick from the flyers too!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just
Look at the fourth goal last night. Who is the last leaf anyone can remember who could skate into quadruple coverage and score? Effectively taking all the gas out of the tank for the sens. Jason spezza sucks
by jmobes on Feb 7, 2010 2:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Phill Kessel is not (and most likely never will be) as good as Malkin
That said, I couldn’t give a rat’s ass.
We have Kessel, not Malkin. The number comparisons are interesting, but Kessel just needs to be Kessel and I’ll be quite happy with that.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions
yeah, Kessel will always be a step below Malkin, but thats not really bad at all.
A trade for Malkin would cost AT LEAST 4 first round picks and the Leafs got Kessel for half that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 7, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
right.
that’s kinda my point. that if Kessel can do THIS well compared to Malkin, then the picks we paid for him look very, very reasonable.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 7, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Assists are not comparable
To get an assist, the guy you pass to (or the guy he passes to) has to put it in the net. Malkin passes to Crosby. Kessel passes to…?
Malkin doesn’t usually play on a line with Crosby. Occassionally they get thrown together when the lines are juggled and on the PP, but otherwise Malkin is not passing to Crosby. Also, Kessel hasn’t had any trouble putting up assists this year. A good enough set-up man can inflate just about anyone’s numbers.
by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 10, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions

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