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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Please forgive me if today's FTB is a little... bland. I've been taking care of the little critter pictured above and, let me tell you, housebreaking is a lot of work. She's finally down to bed and I can squeeze in some time to post today's links... they're below the jump. Enjoy!
On the Game last night: [The Hockey News] [JaredofLondon]
On Kadri's Debut: [NHL.com] [Maple Leafs Hot Stove]
Some Wall Papers from Changing on the Fly: [Updated Calendar] [Prospects]
A bit of history, in picture and words: [Tim Horton at the HHOF] [Words About Andy Barbel]
Mirtle Attempts to Investigate Kessel's Stick Swap
TSM Takes us to a scary place: [Inside Vesa Toskala's Brain]
And from a special correspondent: [Jason Blake Works on His Conditioning in Anaheim]
PPP Update: What would it take to trade for Tomas Kaberle? Here's what FTF and I agreed to [Fear The Fin]
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PUPPY!!!!!!!!!!111112
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 9, 2010 7:31 AM EST reply actions
kadri > puppy
I wouldn’t trade Nazem straight up for that puppy. And I’m a man who loves himself some puppy.
Agree
That puppy is hella cute but Kadri looks pretty cuddly too
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by PPP on Feb 9, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
haha
a week before we got her, my husband asked her which I wanted more: a puppy, or a stanley cup for the Leafs.
The cup won.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’d take hodgson, but his back issues at such a young age raises a lot of alarm bells. I think Burke would make Gillis add more which will just lead to the eviteable “The Leafs are Tampering again, Gary!!” from Vancouver and it’s Media.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
I told Garrett that they should corral the wannabe GMs in one post every day.
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by PPP on Feb 9, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
It will be like shooting fish in a barrel
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
They’re the barrel.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
hmm, barrels are flammable.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
yes. pollution is highly flammable and tainting the water.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta disagree with PPP on the proposed Kaberle trade
Clowe, Huskins and a first? Clowe is a 27 yr old who has never topped 52 pts making 3.625 for 4 years. Huskins is a bottom pair D making $1.7MM. I’d rather have $5.3MM in cap space than those two—including them makes the deal worse! The last thing we need is a 2nd line player making too much money. And the first is obviously at the bottom of the first round.
If that’s the deal I say keep Kabby and let the contract run out.
My thinking was that Huskins is there just to even out salary for the Sharks because they are up against the cap.
As for Clowe, he’s a big body that can skate, he has a good shooting percentage, he’d be getting more minutes than in SJ which would give him chances to improve on that high of 52 points (this year he had 40 in 59), and he replaces Ponikarovsky at a price lower than he could likely be signed. He plays decent competition and the Leafs have shown interest in the past.
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by PPP on Feb 9, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I see a lot of discussion at OTF that he seems to be a target for the Preds as well. He fits the Burke mold of big power wingers. Not enthused about Huskins, but taking that money of the SJ books might make it easier for them to swallow sending us that late 1st rounder.
Also, Isn’t the Cap hit of Kaberle and Clowe close enough not to require Huskins in the deal? maybe take a young prospect?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Clowe or Stempniak.
That’s would it would come down to. Trade for Clowe, let Ninja go in free agency. Ignore the trade, resign Stempniak.
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I think you could, maybe, resign Stempniak for under 2 million. At that price, he is an excellent 3rd liner.
I think he’s going to at least generate interest at his current cap hit of 2.5, but remember his salary this season is 3.5
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Add to that the fact that we have a lot of 3rd liners already.
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I like Stempniak, but if he’s out of the good price range, than seeya Ninja.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I see the argument. I just have an almost pathological aversion to paying $3.5MM or more for 2nd liners. I’d rather see a second line of Stalberg, Grabovski and Hanson next year and keep our cap space for future upgrades to the first line than pay Clowe $3.625MM.
And I want no part of Huskins. If he puts them over the cap let them put him in the A.
I know this is just a hypothetical exercise but the broader point is I don’t want to overpay for second tier guys. That’s what killed the Hawks’ cap.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 9, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
You definitely make a good point. That $3.625MM is paying for potential which I am normally loathe to do.
But getting something rather than nothing for Kaberle is my thinking. If it was with San Jose that is a deal I could see getting done and being okay with.
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Ryan Clowe takes twice as many penalties as he draws, and the Sharks allow fewer goals (1.89 per 60 mins) with him off the ice, than they do with him on (2.41/60 min.)
For a team with PK trouble, that don’t make a whole lot of sense.. As far as the big body goes, we’ve got one. Poni has better stats than Clowe in just about every category, and he’s making less too. If Poni were to resign with the Leafs for the same amount of money as Clowe makes (which isn’t an unreasonable expectation) why make the trade at all?
Oh…first round pick. hmmm…..
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ryan Clowe takes twice as many penalties as he draws, and the Sharks allow fewer goals (1.89 per 60 mins) with him off the ice, than they do with him on (2.41/60 min.)
Hmmm, didn’t look at that one. Although Poni this year is almost the same in penalties drawn v. taken (9 v. 15). If Poni is going to re-sign then you don’t make this deal. I agree 100% there.
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that first round pick is tantalizing though. Of course, it would be a late first rounder…
It’s a good trade, just not sure it’s what the Leafs really need. If they’re going to trade Kabby, I’d rather it be for more of what they need. Clowe is top 6-ish, but not “top 6” (if that makes any sense) when it comes to forwards. He also plays a rough game, and breaks down. he could be like Tucker, in which he might hit the wall at a relatively young age.
if they take Huskins as well, I’d like to see a decent prospect coming back along with that 1st. They’ve got ridiculous depth in net with Greiss, Sexsmith and some Finish guy still in the pipeline. Maybe a forward like McGinn with 17pts in 20 AHL games this year? He’s on the NHL club now, but might help sweeten the pot, especially from a cap relief aspect. If we’re helping them out, we shouldn’t just take the castaways. The first is nice, but it’s not exactly a guaranteed thing when it comes to the player picked.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be happy to have McGinn on the Leafs. I saw him play in Ottawa and I was impressed. He may not end up a star but I think he’d be a solid contributor for a long time.
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Not only would that salary not work for us, McGinn is one of the Sharks best prospects (eek), and since they won’t drafted in three straight first rounds (if this pick is traded), he’s not expendable. I’d like to think he, Couture, Petrecki, Stalock and Wrenn are completely untouchable in trade negotiations.
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by Matthew_Taylor on Feb 9, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
The fact that guys like Clowe make $3.625MM is why I think Poni could go for as much as $4MM if he just takes the highest bid. Clowe is two years younger but Poni’s more durable, and has put up comparable or better points in (generally) less ice time, and clearly less PP time (Clowe has the same PP points as Poni in half the career).
You could argue this means Clowe is a better PP presence but it also means he’s getting more opportunities and playing with better teammates.
This (or a comparable deal) may be the best we could do. I don’t think I’m clearly right, and I see the other side of the argument, but on balance I’d rather preserve my cap space. I wouldn’t take $5.3MM off the cap to get a low first rounder.
To borrow MC79’s line, hockey is an efficiency contest now. It’s having elite players, and the rest of the roster (where possible) outperforming their contracts. Neither Clowe nor Huskins fills that bill to me. And a pick somewhere #26-30? I looked at the 2000-2006 drafts (later than 2006 and it’s tough to judge) and out of those 35 guys, only two are elite talents: Green and Perry. The rest are pluggers or nobodies. To me Kabby’s worth more than a 6% chance at getting an elite talent.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 9, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
There will definitely be a highest bidder case for any UFA, I just think with the uncertainty of the next CBA coupled with the expected cap regression might tighten the purse strings come free agency.
$3.5-$4M per would still be an acceptable rate for Poni. The question is how much of a raise does Kulemin and Gustavsson (and to a lesser extent, Hanson) get this year, and Schenn, Bozak, Gunnarsson and Stalberg get next?
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think that depends a lot on whether they hit their bonuses (which we have no way of knowing, as far as I can tell). RFA’s are entitled to a qualifying offer of between 100% and 110% of their previous year’s salary (which I believe excludes bonuses). If you exclude bonuses, they’re all making less than $1MM. Barring a long-term deal that I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-sign for less than their current cap figure (which includes bonuses).
Of course if their bonuses were easily obtainable and are being earned it’s tough to seem them taking less.
Bottom line—I don’t know what I’m talking about here and would love to be educated by someone who does.
by The '67 Sound on Feb 9, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bottom line—I don’t know what I’m talking about here and would love to be educated by someone who does.
ditto
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
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by PPP on Feb 9, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty cute Shiba.
So, I read a comment on TSN that Kadri was on the ice during the last PP last night. Is that true?
If so, this is another one of those things that makes Berger accuse Wilson of not wanting to win. And I’d almost have to agree with him….I don’t think that was the time or the place to give the kid a lesson.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 9, 2010 8:52 AM EST reply actions
they lined Kadri up as a top 6 forward. You play top 6 forwards on the PP. Who else? Mitchell? Wallin? ORR! YES! next time ORR!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
He had a rough night for sure. Got handled easily by Shelley. Was not even useful after that.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
But we DID score 45 seconds after he got his face smashed, so…
correlation or causation? Who cares, we scored.
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I didn’t say the rest were useless after his face got creamed. Just him. He’ll be back for friday ready to go.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I realize
that we had a dearth of top-6 guys last night, but couldn’t they not find someone with more than 13 minutes of NHL experience to play on the PP?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 9, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
They gave the kid a taste. Same reason they put John Mitchell out there.
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by PPP on Feb 9, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
You wouldn’t want a 19 year old who put up 3G and 2A in 6 preseason games on your severely depleted powerplay?
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it also gives your 19 y. o. prospect a chance at performing with a little more space out there.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
who else?
i’m not a pro hockey coach, but it seems to me that your PP is when you throw out your top six forwards.
I’ll take a smallish, inexperienced Kadri over the lumbering experience of, let’s say, Primeau.
The PK is a different story but for the PP, I see little harm in throwing out all your creative offensive players and see what happens.
In other news
Edmonton needs to only let in 6 goals in the next two games to pass us for the worst GA in the league.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 9, 2010 8:55 AM EST reply actions
thankfully at their average pace to date, they’ll let in 7
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I watched their game at Phoenix for a bit last night. Seemed like they were letting in a goal every two minutes or so. When I shot it off it was 4-0 Coyotes.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Puppy cuteness overload!
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Is the puppy looking directly into your soul too?
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Yes, but I sense it’s not looking to eat my soul… yet.
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don’t worry, I’m training her.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
devil dog!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Team Canada
Getzlaf sprained his ankle last night. Left the arena on crutches.
If he’s out, who’s the next option? I think Staal slides over (possibly) to take his position. Who’ll be the replacement?
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I just looked at the NHL scoring leaders. Ovechkin had 86 points in only 51 games. Wow. He’s been averaging two points per game since mid-december. Those are gretzky/lemieux like numbers
supposedly the numbers are more ridiculous if you look just after the point he became captian.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Correct. The Caps have also been on a bit of a streak since then, no big deal, you know…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
In the 18 games since being named Captain on January 5th, his stats are:
16G, 20A, 36P
That’s a GPG of .89
an APG of 1.11
and a PPG of 2
Ridiculous.
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he’s the most talented player in the world. the best offensive player in the world. not the best all-around hockey player in the world.
If you had to pick one hockey player right now from anywhere in the world to build your team around who would you choose?
Crosby
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I take crosby because I think he’ll have better longevity, he is also a center and very good centers are harder to find than very good wingers
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I will agree with that
But I also think that numbers don’t lie. It’s easy for people to say “well Crosby is a more complete player than Ovechkin.” but I look at it this way… Gretzky is regarded as the best hockey player in history because he put up far more points than anyone previously had. When it comes down to it in the end your job as a forward is to find ways to get the puck into the net, and nobody does it better than Ovechkin.
A big part of why Gretzky is considered so great is because of what he did to globalize the game. His popularity was a major factor. It would not be difficult to make a completely sound argument that Bobby Orr or Mario Lemieux were better hockey players.
Here’s one: Bobby Orr was Bobby Orr.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby Orr can’t win if you factor in longevity though.
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Pretty much, yeah.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Any defenseman, not any player. Also, you can’t say ever. Even if it isn’t for another 100 years, someone will come around one day.
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I can guarantee you, there will never be another defenseman to lead the league in scoring in my lifetime.
Probably not, but not EVER. Its also probably not likely that anyone will break most of Gretzky’s records in the next 30 years, but eventually it will happen.
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Gretzky’s goal record is breakable. Ovechkin might even do it. The assist record is probably not breakable.
Ovechkin is also on track to break Bourque’s all-time shot record.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that one is definitely falling.
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It’s ahead of the next guy by like a thousand shots, and was built up over a 22-year career. Ovechkin shoots ridiculously.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
didn’t either Leetch or Coffey do it?
Or am I delusional?
They both managed 100 pt seasons while on defense.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
yes, but put into perspective. 200 point seasons for the Art Ross winner was normal in the mid 80’s. Orr was averaging 120 points when the art ross average was in the 120-145 range.
There have been 4 200-point seasons. All of them are Gretzky.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Lemieux would of smashed every single one of those records, if it werent for poor health and some brutal luck
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Gretzky had a higher points per game in his 205-point season than his 215-point season. Both are higher than Lemieux’s highest PPG season.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
but what im saying is lemieux never got a chance to get rolling, hed start going and get hurt then spend 2 years trying to get back on track, he would always put up better then a point per game but he never go to to reach his true potential in his prime
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
coffey missed Orr’s goal mark by 2 goals with the Oilers. In the 80s. With Gretzky et al, passing him the puck. Yeah. He’s as close as anyone has come.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Coffey’s highest goal total is 48, 2 more than Orr’s. He has that record. Of course, that was also Gretzky’s record-setting 215-point season.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I always get that mixed up. Thanks. That’s the point though. Coffey was scoring like Mike Green is scoring on the Caps today. It’s easy when you are on the ice a lot with Ovie, just like it was easy for Coffey (not to say he is untalented by any stretch). Orr ran the show for the Bruins in the 70s.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Not saying Espo wasn’t a big piece, just that Orr ran that team, controlled the flow of the game and such. Espo was the king of the trash goal, within 3 feet of the net.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus saves…ESPOSITO SCORES ON THE REBOUND!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
you can't imply that Coffey profited points wise from Gretzky
without also pointing out that Orr got a little help from Esposito and Bucyk. Not exactly pushovers statistically themselves…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
no they werent, but they were no gretzky or even messier
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
During the Bruins/Orr heydays of the early 70s, Espositio put up 1.7 pts per game, better than the Moose’s 1.3 pts per game for the better part of the 80s…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
the 80s oilers were by far one of the best teams to ever be assembled, coffey definately profited from that more than orr would of prositied from espo
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
different eras, different rules, different styles of play.
The 70s Bruins were a dynasty all their own. Comparing Gretzky to anyone isn’t fair. He’s a unique player, the likes of which may not be seen again. He was that good.
Orr was an amazing player in his own right, but I’m not going to try and compare him to anyone either.
My only point is that saying Coffey’s points were a product of who he played with is unfair. Gretzky’s were as well. And Orr’s etc. They all played on some ridiculously stacked teams.
Quite frankly, the whole argument is ludicrous. Orr was better than Coffey. No doubts here.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
yea its a little bit ridiculous but its something to think about
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t disgree, but the difference between the two is that Orr was up near the league leaders in points. Coffey, while his numbers were great, was way behind.
i know thats what im saying, is that coffeys numbers are a bit skewed, like having john fucking mitchell ride shotgun with sid. Orr was and still is the most elite defenceman the league has ever seen
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Esposito had a higher PPG rate than Orr for their respective Bruins tenures.
He wasn’t riding shotgun.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
they weren’t and it was stanley cup calibre teams too, but the Oilers depth was fantastic. All I know is Coffey is as close as anyone to this point as been to Orr as a defenseman.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
agreed, i could see a guy like doughty getting to this conversation at some point in his career, he is fantastic defensively and just starting to find his offence at the pro level
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Coffey’s top season is 138 points, Orr’s is 139. Orr was a +124 that season.
Of course, Coffey also managed a 103 point, -25 season.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
The 80s banned defence.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
The closest Leetch ever came was in 91-92 when he had 102 points. He was 29 points behind the Art Ross winner.
thanks, I couldn’t remember for sure.
I just have a soft spot for him.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
he really did. Imagine Bobby playing in today’s game with modern sports medicine. I bet those wonky knees would have lasted a bit longer too.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 9, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
the thing that worries me about choosing ovechkin is can he keep this up for his whole career? he is reckless and smashes into things as hard as he can all the time and while that is exciting and wonderful to watch it also makes it probable he will sustain career threatening injuries, his body will start to break down
Crosby is also younger so you probably get an extra year out of him!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Also Ovechkin is very polarizing. Either you love him or hate him. Crosby appeals to a much broader audience.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I can only imagine how much either of them would be hated by rival fan bases if they were leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Crosby is pretty polarizing too, based on comments among hockey fans.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
But it’s all about the whining. He’s getting better at not doing that with age.
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He pretty much stopped after his first year.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
A reputation is a hard thing to change.
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haters gonna hate
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
GO FLYERS!!1
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
definately, better defensively, better passer and he can fucking score too
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Great username.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
This may be a bit of a cop-out answer, but it depends on where my team is. If it’s a hockey-savvy market, Crosby. If it’s in a Sun Belt type location, Ovechkin, since he brings the excitement and is easier to market.
Can’t go wrong either way.
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heres a better question, if you could add one to the Leafs, who would it be?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
so you’d have bozak feeding Ovie instead of Crosby feeding kessel?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I know that obviously Ovechkin is not a playmaker first
But he is still on track for 60 assists…. and honestly it really doesn’t matter who you put on a line with him, he is going to make them all that much better.
same thing with crosby,
thing is ovie has his play making center, crosby does not have his sniper
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
You really can't go wrong either way
But if it was me, I would take Ovechkin. I just love the intensity and physical play he brings to the game.
Crosby
hands down. better all around player.
Ovechkin to me feels more like the “cool” pick. Not to say he’d be a bad choice, but Crosby plays the game in an entirely different manner. I wish people would get over the Crosby hate, because he’s an amazingly gifted player, and I think that gets lost in the whole “he whines. he dives. he sounds like a robot in interviews” knocks he takes.
Forsberg in his day was quite the fall over artist himself. No one ever brings that up. Lecavalier was a huge whiner when he entered the league. Oddly enough, swept under the carpet now. As far as the wooden delivery and safe answers in interviews, that’s about 99% of ALL professional athletes.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
crosby gets more flack because he is forever tied to ovie, his polar opposite in interviews, and where crosby might fall a bit too easy, ovie will hit someone a little too late, or throw the knee a bit
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ovie is a borderline dirty player. He’s made some questionable hits.
That said, Crosby once went Bruce Lee on a guy’s junk…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Forsberg in his day was quite the fall over artist himself. No one ever brings that up.
I didn’t renew it since he retired, but the hockey-reference ad on Floppa’s page was a quote from Mike Russo talking about how Floppa’s ankle problems probably came because he fell over and then tangled his legs up with the guy who came near him.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 9, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
i forgot about that. So true though.
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by blurr1974 on Feb 9, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
HAH
that makes so much sense.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
It would be a tough decision between Crosby and Doughty. For me, I’d rather have an elite goalie like Brodeur or Luongo or Miller, but they’re probably a little older than I’d like if I was building a whole team.
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by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Crosby has 74 points in 58 games with 39 goals
Ovechkin has 86 points in 51 games with 41 goals
wow, 7 less games 12 more points
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
let crosby loose with malkin and see what he can come up with
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Malkin is a center though, might not work as well as giving him a natural winger,
I cant wait to see Crosby with Nash
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
that is true, but him and malkin have worked well together on the PP for a while, id love to see that chemistry over a season or so. remember when sid had hossa riding shotgun he was unstopable.
by Golden Gopher on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
no
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
PUPPY!
There’s gonna be a PPPuppy cute off, I can feel it!
I'll roll up on you smooth and punch you in the jeans
Karina, he looks cute and all but slightly feral. Like he will eat my face….
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by Wrap Around Curl on Feb 9, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions
I think the puppy’s a she. Keiko’s definitely a girl’s name.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I know right?
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by Wrap Around Curl on Feb 9, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, she wants to kill me.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Feb 9, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Glad he got a Catholic mass. Good parish.
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im ready to cry myself just looking at that pic of burkie and his wife. We all feel so connected to the leafs and everyone involved in the organization its as if we lost a member of our own family as well…. i feel so bad for the burkes. Brian should be preparing for the olympics and the trade deadline, instead he has to bury a son. Just terrible
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@mirtle No way. He’s had a bad year. Alex Burrows over Lecavalier any day.
Alex Burrows on Team Canada?
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whaaaat? ew no
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 9, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
oh crap
what has Mirtle been smoking?
Burrows has really cooled down, and when Daniel was out this year it really showed he’s only effective when the Sedins are playing their game… well, offensively that is.
He’s good at the PK and providing energy, otherwise.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
that’s not what the quote says…
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Why not
just get Anson Carter? He scored over 30 on the Sedin line…
oh wait, where is he now?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 9, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting point from Elliotte Friedman
15. The deal with Marek Svatos: He wants out of Colorado. They want him out. He’s a UFA, so he will be highly motivated and relatively cheap. Svatos played for Cory Clouston in junior. I think he wants a reunion.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions
my favourite point
23. The way the Leafs play in front of Jean-Sebastien Giguere is evidence of how little faith they had in their previous tandem.
Although they played almost as well in front of Gustavsson except for those last three minutes.
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by Karina on Feb 9, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
This one is interesting too
22. Two things to identify whether Phaneuf’s play improves: Does he do a better job defending the cycle? And, will he chase guys behind the net? That one drove Calgary coaches crazy, because it breaks down your defence.
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