Lightning at Leafs: Seen Stamkos?
by Chemmy on Mar 11, 2010 2:51 PM EST
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If you haven't seen Steven Stamkos you really should try to. He's got points in 17 straight games (16G 15A 31Pts) and comes home to Ontario tonight with 41 goals: three behind Crosby and Ovechkin for the league lead.
The line of Stamkos Martin St. Louis and Steve Downie might be the best single line in the NHL right now. They're scoring at a torrid pace as the Lightning. five points out of a playoff berth, look to make the postseason.
Jean-Sebastien Giguere starts against Antero Niittymaki. Tampa's goals against have been an issue for them lately: they've given up 35 goals in their past seven games. On the flip side the Toronto Maple Leafs have only scored 11 goals in their past seven games so something has to give.
Let's hope the Leafs show up to play unlike the last game against Tampa on the 23rd of January. Since that time we've added Phaneuf and our penalty kill has undergone a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde transformation. PPP isn't sure off the top of his head but the PK is over 90% since adding Phaneuf.
With any luck Stamkos won't score four to take the goal scoring lead in front of his friends and family at the ACC.
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I said this on twitter
But Jonas wins his last 2 starts but Giguere starts? That’s real fair.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Gustavsson has looked shaky
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s about being fair. Ron Wilson indicated that the two of them will alternate starts from now on.
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Bingo
RW isn’t playing the “you win you play” card anymore. He’s evaluating his goaltenders for the rest of the season.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
This system failed us hard when we tried to keep playing Toskala. He would just shit the bed the next game.
Then again…
It’s Toskala.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's not an excuse
I just don’t believe in the “You win you play” system
The dirty habs use it and their goaltending future couldn’t be more uncertain.
We’re trying to evaluate our goaltending right now. Unless you have an elite #1 goalie, going with the same one night in night out will only wear them out (maybe not physically, but mentally… there was a discussion about this on a prior post)
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, its really stupid with this many games left and our current place in the standings. We want to see what both guys have to offer so we can evaluate what we want to do next season.
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So if Giguere loses tonite and Gustavsson wins on Saturday, you still gonna go with that approace?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Yes. And until we have a clear #1, I don’t like the “you win you play”
I see the merits of it and why people like it, but I just don’t agree that its the best way to run a goaltending situation like ours.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ci Senor
Its not really about winning. If Giggy loses tonight and Giguere loses Saturday, it means that Giggy had a bad game and Jonas had a good one (if goaltending is even the reason we lost). At least if we alternate we have at least 10 games at the end of each guy to evaluate Jonas’ contract situation and what we do with Giggy.
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what we do with Giggy
Giggy is gonna play out his final year in TO. He wont waive his NMC again
Fairweather fans can go to hell
I think he means in terms of how often he gets start vs. Gustavsson.
Although I feel like unless Giggy really shits the bed, he’ll be taking a bunch of starts, No less than 50-60% in 2010-2011
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
It’s all about goal support. Gustavsson gave up 3 against Boston, Giguere gave up 3 against a better team.
A “win” is a stat out of the goalie’s control. Neither Gustavsson nor Giguere have made a strong case for being the #1 on this team.
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Its weird, but I have no memory of our goaltending between September 2006 and Jan 2010.
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Dang…wish I had the same problem
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 11, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
What the fuck?
We had goaltending during that time frame? Dear Lord, it must have been shitty as a manure pile!
by leafsfan4life94 on Mar 11, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but the Leafs have no idea what they have in either Gustavsson or Giguere at this point, other than sunk costs. Gustavsson’s contract is up, Giguere has a massive cap-hit that needs determining whether to keep or not, and the team is close to last place. Goaltending is such a sore spot for the Leafs, I think the team is willing to sacrifice predictability for results.
I’m sure if one of the goalies takes the reins and really runs with it (I think the Leafs would prefer it to be Gustavsson), then Wilson will decide on playing the better goalie for the majority of games. At this point, neither goalie has been that much better than the other one.
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Another factor is that instead of letting Giggy’s contract just run out, we could trade him at next year’s deadline at which point his cap hit would be more manageable to the acquiror.
Giggy’s playing for a contract next year so should be motivated. Think a former Conn Smythe winner might have some value to a contender if he’s playing well?
by The '67 Sound on Mar 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
This was brought up before as a possibility… but I’m pretty sure his NMC will still hold, and Burke will almost certainly not ask him to waive it, especially since the NMC mostly has to do with his son’s health issues.
I like the idea… but practically I don’t think it’ll ever happen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Giguere was only willing to lift his NTC for only a handful of teams, and Toronto was at the top. I’m not sure if he’ll lift it again, nor would Burke ask him to lift it. What the Leafs are hoping for is that Giguere and Gustavsson split starts next season where Gustavsson gets 5-10 more starts than Giggy.
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I read somewhere the Leafs were the only team he would accept a trade too
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Sounds about right, his relationship with Burke and the fact we were the only team with cap space and in need of a goalie kind of put the writing on the wall.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying I have Sick Kids Hospital to thank for Toskala leaving?
Excuse me, I have a donation to make.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
His son needs a lot of care, that’s why Burke gave him the NMC so he can stay at a hospital in Cali. So when the oppurtunity to come to Toronto came up he said ok because Sick Kids can treat his son
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Yeah that makes me pretty proud to be from TO.
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody thinks Giggy would leave town for a few months for a Cup run? Besides, Leafs won’t re-sign him for 2011/12. He’ll have to either retire or move anyway.
Agree with Karina that his level of play is obviously a big if.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
He didn’t ask to be traded away to a playoff team in Anaheim, so no, I don’t think it’s something the Leafs can bank on for next season. The Leafs traded for Giguere fully aware they’re keeping him until the end of his contract.
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Look on the bright side. Unlike so many other players, Giguere actually wanted to come to Toronto. I say we’re moving up in the hockey destination world. Take that, Edmonton.
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In Toronto, players won’t waive their NTC’s to leave there.
In Edmonton, players won’t waive their NTC’s to GO there.
Ya I’d say we’re a step up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
the caveat is “if he’s playing well”
I am biased towards Giguere, but I don’t know that he’ll ever regain his Conn Smythe form.
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hes been sketchy since those first 2 shutouts…. i agree, he seems kind of average now…
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 11, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
With any luck Stamkos won’t score four to take the goal scoring lead in front of his friends and family at the ACC.
Well, looks like we’re in line for a four point night from Stamkos.
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I actually made that one on Twitter :(
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PPP
gave up the opportunity to see this in person.
MOCK HIM
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WUT?
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
SORRRRRRRRRRYYYYYY
I couldn’t see everyone I wanted to see out West :(
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I’m mocking you because that nice lady who prepares the FTB’s every morning, and is currently drunk, advised us to do so.
Mock, mock, mock
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good idea
Just smile and nod.
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/poke back
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That's what the mute button is for
I just hope we all get a chance to hear about how special Martin St. Louis is on the power play.
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you’ve obviously never watched a game on RDS before
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
you’re right, i havent.
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I like the goal calls in french that show up on highlights, but a whole game would probably be a bit much.
That post-Olympic free trial of Centre Ice is over I take it?
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
a friend of mine who’s a habs fan once told me that the RDS broadcasters were way better and much less biased than the CBC and sportsnet broadcasters. she knew this despite the fact she doesn’t speak any french.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Have you not seen a TSN broadcast? They have Pierre McFuckinguire.
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MLSE wants to host the 2011 draft.
Please let this happen…
Please let this happen…
Please let this happen…
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Yeah, maybe 2012?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
There’s all this discussion of MLSE hosting the All-Star game within the next few years, and the draft apparently. I’m surprised we’re not planning this for our centennial year.
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They want both obviously. Get it for 2011 and then, 6 years later, they’re like “oh btw its our Centennial so by precedent we get it now too kthxbye”
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I was making the point of an obvious PPP gathering, but if you want to get all pessimistic about it…
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not driving to a draft we don’t have a first round pick in
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With their first pick, the Montreal Canadiens select
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I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
WHO ARE YOU?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
“Your first round pick fell down twice in his highlight package.”
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So funny.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
that day was a good day
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Giggy vs Gustavsson
I don’t think the “guy who wins gets to play again” approach is applicable when there is 16 games left and no hope of the playoffs. This is about Gustavsson’s career now. Alternating him into the net gives him extra rest, more practice, while allowing him to know he’s playing and get prepared. It’s training wheels for goalies.
Next season this may change. You can bet your ass Burke and Wilson will both want to be much further up the standings. Best goalie will play. My hope is that by 20011/2012, Gustavsson is the starter and Giguere is playing 20 games making $2.5M a year.
I’d really like to see Giggy brought in for a couple years as a backup, on the cheap
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
He clearly doesn’t want to be a backup (he’s said as much), but he may not have a say in the matter if his play doesn’t improve.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but he might not have too many options
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
If his son’s condition really does restrict him to cities that have top-end healthcare available, Toronto has a bit of leverage in dealmaking in that regard.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
And his salary is a contentious point as well. If Giguere is willing to play for even half his current salary, I think there are a few teams willing to give him a chance as starter depending on how the season and playoffs end up.
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Dunno. If you get NHL Network there’ll be a London Knights game (KADRI) on at the same time.
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That’s what I’d watch. Instead I’m going to help SkinnyFish with his squirt team practice and then go play shinny.
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sure. we’ve got a team full of young players that i know nothing about, every game’s a chance to learn a little more, see a flash of brilliance. there’s always the chance for disappointment as well, but we’re obviously used to that by now.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Those of us in the states can get a glimpse of Kadri in the O though.
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i was more answering blurr’s question if there was any point in watching tonight. very cool that you guys can see an O game in the states. too bad they’re not showing it in Ontario, I’d be doing lots of flicking back and forth for sure. you yanks will keep us posted on how he’s looking, yes?
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weeeell
if we are going to lose anyway i hope stammer scores 5 all of em hon candidates.. in for a penny right?
Ok Burke now build this team
I approve of this Stamkos-jinxing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 11, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
hello hello
how’s it going over here? how the leafs doing?
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This Caps fan is all about the Leafs and Stamkos denial today! Git ’er done!
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Just to be exact
The Leafs PK since Phaneuf came aboard has gone 25 for 29, good for 86%. Pretty awesome.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Mar 11, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions
and two of those PP goals have come on 5 on 3s
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 11, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I get why you all wanted Stamkos for Team Canada
I hadn’t followed him much, unless he played the B’s. I’ve watched/followed him a bit more carefully since I read all the banter about him not being named to TC. Yup. He’s that good. Wonderin’ what he’ll do in the playoffs. If, they make the playoffs, I guess.
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