Seven Thoughts on the Current Leafs
Why seven? Because 10 is too much for me to think of at 11 o'clock at night, and 5 would make it seem like I were lazy.
1) Nikolai Kulemin is no longer a 3rd line plugger; he's a legitimate 2nd line scoring threat. In the 5 games since the trade deadline, he has 5 points (2G, 3A) and is a +3. Aside from scoring he brings great hustle, grit, and flair that was previously buried on the third line behind guys like Hagman, Stempniak, Blake, and Ponikarovski.
2) The penalty kill may no longer be broken. Since the trades for Dion Phaneuf and J.S. Giguere, the Leafs have been shorthanded 32 times in 11 games. They have given up only 5 powerplay goals during that span (1 each in the last 4 games), and 2 of those goals came in 5 on 3 situations. After the math, that results in a whopping 84.4% PK rate. Over the course of the season that would be good for 5th best in the league.
3) Kaberle is not who he once was. Scoreless in his last 7 games with a -6 rating over that span, he's a team worse -15 on the season. While he has a team best 46 points; only 12 of those have come since Christmas. Brace yourselves for the offseason should he be traded; the days of Jeff Carter + a 1st are over.
4) Carl Gunnarsson is the new defensive hotness. In his 28 games played this year, he has 2 G and 7 A, and somehow for the season is a team best +10. Enjoy the Marlies next year Jeff Finger.
5) The goaltending might finally be average. Since the trade that sent Vesa Toskala to Anaheim and brought JSG to Toronto, Toronto goalies have posted a collective .911 Save %. While not stellar, it's way better than the sub .900 goaltending that was present during Toskala's time here, and behind what amounts to half of the Toronto Marlies.
6) This team needs some offense. Since the Phaneuf for everybody trade, the Leafs have averaged 2.36 goals per game. To let you know how bleak that is, over the course of the season that puts us tied for dead last in scoring with...the Boston Bruins.
7) Phil Kessel is still Phil Kessel. With the shortened season due to shoulder surgery, Kessell has only played in 55 games this year. But in those games he's score 23 goals including last night's OT winner. Over the span of an 82 game season, that's on pace for 34 goals. Then factor in that his centres have ranged from Matt Stajan, to Mikhail Grabovski, to John Mitchell, to Tyler Bozak. Then factor in that he's has goal scoring droughts of 5, 8, and 5 games and it's pretty obvious that he's a future perennial 40 goal scorer at the age of 22.
On to some links!
Lackadaisical veterans; old and busted. Go getter rookies; new hotness [Globe and Mail]
Another game recap courtesy of [The Hockey News]
Presenting the NHL in graph form. Special guest appearance by an old picture with a new look [Bangin Panger]
Further proof that ESPN sucks at all things hockey related [Behind the Net]
The Leafs have exactly zero players in this list of the Top 50 NCAA prospects [WCH Blog]
Bloge Salming and DGB sneaked in to the Awesome Leafs Meeting [Bloge Salming]
The guys at Five Hole Fanatics normalize Carl Gunnarsson's +/- rating, and provide a formula to use for all the Leafs [Five Hole Fanatics]
A fantastic interview with former assistant GM Jeff Jackson [Mirtle at The Globe and Mail]
Another good piece about assistant GM Jeff Jackson leaving the club [The Score]
Gunnarsson making his case as a Top 4 defenseman for Toronto [Globe and Mail]
Francois Beauchemin shined in net last night according to Joe Bowen [Heroes in Rehab]
Something ain't right with Tomas Kaberle [general borschevsky]
MLSE C.O.O. to lead a delegation with The Cup to Afghanistan [NHL.com]
Ever wanting to drive the Zamboni? Of course you have. Here's how [NY Times]
Leafs put in bids to host All-Star Game, the Draft, and the Winter Classic [The Hockey News]
Since finding footage of llamas playing hockey is apparently hard to come by, LD had to get creative for her Youtube Yoinkage [WWoLD]
It's all about the young guns in town. Not hard when more than half the team is under 25 [Hockey Analysis]
Morning Additions
The Leafs Playoff March continues! [Youtubes]
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This team is all about the new hotness right now.
So so money.
Great game last night. Distracted me from studying for an exam but totally worth it.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 12, 2010 7:17 AM EST reply actions
Erm
I pointed out that Joe Bowen was getting flustered by Swedish twins a couple days ago; Karina was kind enough to include that in yesterday’s FTB.
Today my blog is all about Bowen’s inability to keep the French guys straight.
/not complaining, appreciate the linky and thorough FTB, just trying to let folks know I’m not re-running content from earlier this week. Yet.
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Haha ya I noticed Beauchemin Giguere made a nice save on Lecavelier near the end there
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
It seems more likely that Bowen saw the goalie was out of position and the d-man made the stop. As he says it, he sounds kind of surprised, so I think he actually knows what he’s talking about here. The Gustavson/Gunnerson confusion is more obviously about the names. And in Bowen’s defence, they are kinda the same.
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nah that’s what I originally thought… but his sentence goes something like this
“And Beachemin saves a goal, this time he was in his net” right after Giguere had come out of the net to play the puck on the previous play.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
And Beachemin saves a goal, this time he was in his net
This. That’s why I included the first clip on the YouTubers (Jiggy’s Excellent Overtime Adventure).
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Maybe Bowen meant that Giguere was wandering again, and Beach was there for him?
I know I’m trying really hard…I like Bonsey.
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 12, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
It was obviously an innocent mistake (one that I probably make in everyday conversation), and i doubt anyone was really confused. Unless they were listening on the radio.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
radio is done by dennis bayak
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 12, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Okay then, if you were watching Leafs TV but happened to be blind. Or legally blind. Or just not watching the screen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Inexcusable. He’s a professional. I mean, I would expect Greg Millen to screw it up, but not Bowensy.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
meh, bowen is half in the bag by the second period, im not surprised
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 12, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think Bowen is sort of pulling a Bob Uecker in Major League. Full bottle of whiskey to drown his sorrows! Probably sick of all of Harry Neale’s text messages about future perennial Vezina trophy champion Tyler Myers.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 12, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
Well when you’re in the presence of such greatness as Harry is, it’s understandable that you want to announce it to the world! He’s probably also sending “MYERS FOR VEZINA!!!1” texts to Bob Cole like they’re going out of style.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
As if Bob Cole and Harry Neale know how to text.
And even if they did, Harry would keep mixing up who he was texting, and Bob would just text “OH BABY!!” over and over.
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by clrkaitken on Mar 12, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I agree all around
although Philly will still be in a lot of cap trouble last year. My new dream is Kaberle + a prospect for Carter.
Also, according to DiManno we don’t have any #1 draft picks like the Lightning have Stamkos, and we’re not getting any this year or next. I’m blinded by her insight.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 12, 2010 8:18 AM EST reply actions
Zambonic truth
I have driven the zamboni before. It’s pretty cool.
DiManno thinks she is some 1940s beat writer. I find her use of language annoying.
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 12, 2010 8:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Dimanno is a million fucking times worse than any journalist ever. It’s hard to even call her a journalist. She is a grade eight girl writing the worst “journalism article assignment,” every day. She piles shitty metaphors on top of a lack of insight into anything hockey-related.
by PhilSpecter on Mar 13, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
There’s no denying Kabby’s had a rough couple of weeks… he’s rattled by something. Maybe he played tough at the trade deadline only providing a list of 3 teams, hoping he wouldn’t be traded, and then playing his best over the last 20 games to prove to Burke he should keep him. Too much pressure?
As an assist man, all he can do is put the puck on your stick though. There have been a handful of kabby-sprung 2 on 1’s or breakaways over the last several games where the other players didn’t score. Is that his fault? And as a player who gets a lot of points on the powerplay, is the recent 0 for 35 stretch or whatever it is an indictment of kabby, or is it an explanation as to why his point totals are down? If our PP is working at 20%, that’s 7 goals in the last 35…. maybe kabby gets an assist on 3 or 4 of them, and we’re not complaining about his point totals?
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by daoust on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Memo to Burke: If you are going to host the draft, make sure you have a first round pick for the home town.
by lb71 on Mar 12, 2010 9:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Surely I can't be the only one
who took solace in the Sens getting shut out by the Flames with Mayers scoring a goal on them…
Totally.
Except the guy I’m playing in the pool this week has Kiprusoff.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Saw this
http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/?id=313485
I have no idea how the author calculated his magical “number” so I can’t validate or reproduce it.
But looks like Kulemin and Schenn are doing the little things right.
Also %911 seems like stellar goaltending…
Wendel Killer Joseph
It’s below league average. :(
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20102ALLGAGAll&sort=savePercentage&viewName=wlt
The Leafs as a team have posted a collective .888 save % this year. (223Goals Against / 1993 Shots Against)
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It shows 214
92 gustavsson
85 toskalol
20 giguere
17 Joey Joe Joe
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 12, 2010 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also shootout losses count as a GA. Those wouldn’t be reflected in SV%
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3 shootout losses and 9 OT losses
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 12, 2010 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it a little depressing that my frame of referrence is skewed by Toskala?
We’re right there with the Marty Turco and Carey Price.
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 12, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Revised because NHL.com has conflicted stats
Total GA: 214
Total SA: 1925
Save %: .888
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Sans Vesa .874 Toskala
It becomes a .904 sv%
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Wow! I guess that’s why .911% seems so stellar now…
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 12, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
technically
League average is 0.908
you need to look at it from a team standpoint, take their total goals allowed and total shots against to get the average save percentage.
Total goals allowed = 5,537
Total shots against = 60,448
SV% = 0.908 (with rounding…)
I have nothing interesting to say.
Interesting. The lower ranked guys seem to be scorers though, (Kessel, Fleishman, Selanne, D.Sedin) so it’s not meant to be an indicator of everything.
I would like to see something like Corsi+giveaway/takeaway+penalties taken/penalties drawn. That would actually be pretty straightforward as a +/- and would really highlight the impact a player has on the game. Does Corsi include PP and PK? I guess it is hard to include it fairly, because if you are on the PK it means you didn’t take a penalty, but then again if you are on the PP you may have drawn one.
I would also like to see PP and PK % as a % of time, so per 2min. That way, if you get scored on twice on a 5min major, that’s the same as getting scored on twice on two minors, not the same as getting scored on twice in one minor…see what I mean?
What do you stats guys think of this? Maybe it already exists?
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 12, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I think once you start complicating statistics this much, you lose sight of its value in all the data. It may start showing relationships that don’t/barely exist.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Cullen tries to defend it in the article, saying guys like the Sedin’s will rate low on this number, because they are all offence.
I’m not a big stats guy, so I couldn’t help you further. This one seemed interesting because it apparently combined and measured some numbers that tend to get overlooked.
(Other than the Habs fans, Habland isn’t a bad place, eh?)
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 12, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
lower ranked guys are scorers
and JAMAL MAYERS, isn’t that supposed to be his bread and butter
Dmitri Yushkevich was so tough, he once blocked a Chuck Norris kick with his teeth and finished the shift.
by AkiSchennberg on Mar 13, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
As we wrote last week: .910 goaltending probably takes this team to the playoffs or close.
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/3/4/1356179/the-leafs-team-save-percentage-vs
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If Cullen at TSN isn’t going to show his work, there’s little to no meaning in his numbers, especially if he’s giving much weight to notoriously unreliable stats like takeaways/giveaways.
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing…how did you get to your number?
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 12, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
From Mirtle's recap
Interesting to see the talk about Roberts’ role in developing Stamkos physically. If Gary’s regime has even a 5% role in Stamkos’ improvement this year vs. last, then Burke should be delivering every one of our under 25s to Roberts’ door the day the season ends. Anyone that doesn’t pass the Roberts “commitment” test is potential trade bait. So often the difference between flameout and superstar is commitment.
I’m thinking about a certain Muslim Leafs prospect especially. If he could improve physically the way stamkos did in a year, hot damn
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I mentioned Kadri to Roberts, too. That’s probably the sort of player he’s looking for.
Maybe I’ll post my whole interview with Gary this week.
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by James Mirtle on Mar 14, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a distinct sense of distaste by Roberts for the Leafs. Lingering disappointment methinks stemming from the post lockout jump
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 12, 2010 9:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Burke can make up with Lowe...
He can make up with Gary, esp. since it was old management that pissed Roberts off and Roberts should hold no grudge against Burke.
Make it happen Burke! Have a Gary Roberts night, give him the warm and fuzzies, and get our kids in shape.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck-in-eh!
Make it happen
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 12, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I was at Gary Roberts night back in October, when we played the Snes. It was also Gustavsson’s first-ever start. Stupid Alfredsson scored with like five minutes left to beat us 2-1. But I was drunk by then so it wasn’t so bad.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Mar 12, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, also when Monika interviewed him on the big screen, I’m pretty sure Gary got a standing-O.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Mar 12, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Oops, forgot that
There’s gotta be some way to appease him.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Ritual sacrifice of Rickard Wallin?
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 12, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like most people would prefer John Mitchell these days.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
i think we can squeeze rikard in too
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Wallin had 1 okay game last night. He’s still at the top of my list of sacrifices.
Also, he makes more than Mitchell. (800k vs like 500k-ish)
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I can not wait until i never have to watch wallin play hockey again…
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 12, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying you won’t be ordering the commemorative “Rickard Wallin Greatest Moments as a Maple Leaf” dvd?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Change of plans.
It’s now the Rickard Walling Greatest Moments as a Maple Leaf gif.
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Didn’t he get one goal? That’s probably the only great moment I can think of.
I’m pretty sure the Martin Skoula greatest hits as a Leaf would be longer.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Found this:

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
After last night’s offensive explosion, 2.36 goals/game is actually worse than the Bruins over the course of the season. Who are still pretty terrible at scoring at 2.5 GF/G, but there’s something to be said for accuracy (especially when my bad team comes out marginally better than your bad team…
)
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions
Everything stinks but at least we all hate the Habs
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 12, 2010 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
high-five!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Who needed 5 rounds of a shootout to beat edmonton, p.s.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
The oilers were looking ahead anyway to the titanic basement dweller uber battle this Saturday night.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 12, 2010 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ITS GOING TO BE EPIC
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Lucky for the Habs, the Halak bed-shitting only came against Edmonton. Vs. a good team they would have lost by 3 goals.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta love how bad the Bruins’ scoring is that 1 game can increase their overall GF/G by 5%
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but we’re kind of bad this year.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Quick question
Any ever figure out what set Wilson off on Barry Davis? What was the Kulemin comment?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
I was wondering about that too…
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
It sounded as if he made a comment about sending Kulemin down to the A… maybe it was a reference from something he said earlier in the year? When Kule had a stretch of bad games or something?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yes!
If you go to the Maple Leafs’ online video and his presser earlier in the day or maybe after last night’s game Barry Davis asked him a question about whether Kulemin’s demotion to the AHL helped. Wilson said he’d never been sent to the Marlies and Davis kept arguing it.
I checked his transaction history and it looks like he was assigned to the Marlies for one day but I don’t remember why but likely he wasn’t ever actually sent down.
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Kulemin was sent down LAST year during the All Star game, I remember that
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Kulemin has played all of 5 games for the Marlies; all were during the 08-09 season.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kulemni01.html
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Yeah
But this year he was just assigned.
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Didn’t he get assigned after they acquired Phillip, and then went he went on IR Kulie was recalled?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, assigned Sept 30, recalled Oct 1
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Ron roasts another. Thanks for figuring this out.
Funny that Ron unloads on another reporter on the night when Joe Bowen had earlier been wondering aloud “when’s the last stick measurement you saw?” to Greg Millen – the answer to which quetion is obvious, because it’s the whole “in November, when it mattered” incident with RW and Howard Berger.
See how the universe unfolds, with all these myriad interconnections?
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
super-string theory!
CARBON NANO TUBES!
INTERNET PORD
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Mind = blown
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
I believe beer fixes that. At least it does no further harm*.
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*may do further harm
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Just an FYI
That list of top college prospects only ranks the top 50 prospects from the CCHA and WCHA.
The Leafs best college prospects (D’Amigo and Ryan) play in Eastern leagues.
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Si
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
YES!
I JUST interviewed him!
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we do?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Thoughts on Kabby and Dion
Kabby really has dropped off since his role and the team’s identity have shifted. I am bracing myself for a Kaberle trade because I’m convinced it’s going to be well below what we all hoped.
As for Dion, is it too early to complain about lack of production? I’m glad the team has looked a lot more fun and entertaining and (somewhat) winning since The Trade, but at $6.5M per, we really need to be getting more than 2 assists in 10 games. Maybe moving Kaberle will help that, but every day Phaneuf doesnt take the reins of the team on D and on the PP, it makes me nervous that he never will.
Oh and Kulemin? Agreed completely. I want this kid locked up to a multi-year deal at reasonable money. but i’ve been saying that since before his recent mini surge.
A good PK is Club Truculence's cover charge
Dion needs to get a goal, i think things will start to roll after he gets that monkey off his back
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 12, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
is it too early to complain about lack of production?
Yes. He is getting chances, great shot from the point. It’ll happen soon. Keep the faith.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
1. Phaneuf’s shooting percentage is 5.8%, which puts him 70th among NHL d-men that have played 30+ games this season.
2. He only hits the net about 54% of the time, which means his shooting percentage is actually around 3%.
He’s going to have to take more shots than the bastard love child of Jeff Carter and Alex Ovechkin if he hopes to start scoring again.
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It’s been a very small dataset since he became a Leaf. I’m willing to give him a multitude of games before I come to any sort of judgement.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Those numbers are based on his entire season. He is tied with Francois Beauchemin for d-men scoring. His point totals have also decreased every season he’s been in the NHL.
Give him all the time you want, but the arrows aren’t pointing in a great direction.
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conversely
the percentage of points Phaneuf has gotten from assists had increased every year, until this season.
Is he intentionally shooting wide? Seem to see that a lot now, teams looking for bounces off the boards instead of redirects or straight bombs. DET was the only team doing that 2 or 3 years ago, and now it seems like every offensive zone set up borrows that strategy.
Not saying he’s gonna be worth $6M, just wondering aloud…
I have nothing interesting to say.
Pronger was the master of that during the Olympics.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt very much that he’s missing the next nearly 50% of the time on purpose. Even if 10% of his shots are intentionally wide, his overall shooting percentage is still about 4%.
It’s great that his assists are going up, but it’s not a good sign that his totals are down (there’s a reason he was available for spare parts).
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there’s a reason he was available for spare parts
I disagree with this. Many GM’s went on record saying they would have offered much more for Phaneuf.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
indeed
I believe it’s got something to do with those compromising photos Burke has of a certain Sutter…
I have nothing interesting to say.
Disagree all you want, I don’t see how anyone could argue that Phaneuf wasn’t traded for spare parts.
The Leafs weren’t going to re-sign Stajan, stated that White was going to hit a home run as an RFA and didn’t want to open the vault for him. Mayers was lucky to play most nights. That leaves Hagman…
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since Mayers was involved
its more like a dollar for three quarters and a hole in your pocket
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I don’t disagree that he got traded for spare parts. I just think the trade is more of a reflection on Sutter being poor at what he does
Fairweather fans can go to hell
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
I think Phaneuf’s decreasing point totals, his inability/ unwillingness to adjust his defensive game and his huge cap hit put him on the market at a depressed value.
I hope Burke got him at the nadir and his play will turn around with the Leafs.
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I won’t be at the game, but I’ll join in any post-game festivities.
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Joe Thornton got traded for spare parts too ;)
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He sure did.
Wait, are you saying that Phaneuf’s a playoff choker?
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I WISH the Leafs had playoff chokers. That would at least mean we were in the playoffs!
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2012!!!1
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Someone drop some stats on me.
What are the chances the chances of making the playoffs IF we win every game from now to the end? I was asked if the leafs were officially eliminated today, and i didnt know the answer. I want to be able to say we still have a % chance!!!
how many decimal places are you willing to go in order to argue that the Leafs have a chance?
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Bookmark this: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/MapleLeafs.html
But basically, out of 25,000,000 runs, the leafs made the playoffs 1,297 times.
If you win every game, it’s a 50.4% chance.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
So even if they run the table and win every game left, they still only have a 50% chance of making the post season?
Yikes.
It’s going to take approximately 90 points to make the post-season. If the Leafs run the table and win every game left this season, they’ll finish with 86 points.
As per PPP’s note, I’ll give the Leafs a 0.000001% chance.
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I put 1297/25000000 into google to spit out a decimal at me and it gave me the answer in scientific notation.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. If everyone from here to 8th above us loses every game, and we win most-to-all of them, we can still make it.
So you’re SAYING there’s a chance…
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
That’s almost never a good sign.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m hoping the only reason is “Darryl Sutter is an idiot”.
With the downward trend in his point totals, it’s clear we need to temper our expectations on what kind of offence he’ll bring during his stay here, especially next season since he won’t exactly be surrounded by tons of outstanding scorers.
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He did trade for Toskala
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 12, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
do you happen to know what percentage of Phaneuf’s shots are blocked?
by stormshadow on Mar 12, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Daoust ran the gross numbers earlier this week (apologies if it was someone else). He might know how the numbers net out.
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nope… i just asked. i think missy tried finding something but wasn’t able to find the right info.
regardless of hard stats, watching him play the last several weeks, it’s pretty clear that he’s not getting a lot of shots on net (they’re either blocked or they miss). his goal-scoring won’t magically improve unless that improves.
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That's not what the numbers say
His SOG/gm here so far is actually above his career average. Check it out here
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love for someone to be able to analyse what changed from Dion’s first few years, when he was a scoring machine, and his tepid production of the past couple years. You’re absolutely right, the arrow is pointed down.
Very disappointed he and Kabs have not clicked on the PP.
I can’t really complain about his play thus far but for $6.5MM I’m hoping for Norris trophy candidate play.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
If he hadn’t posted back to back seasons with such impressive goal totals I’d argue it was an unsustainable shooting percentage.
I have no idea what has caused the decline and, like you, I’d love to have a more detailed analysis.
I sure would love to see him regain his touch.
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Wouldn’t we all like to see that happen as it looked like his passing accuracy was not on last night either. In his defence though it seemed like the ice was not the best condition possibly due to the warm temps as there was a lot of bounces and rollers last night.
Humidity is more of a factor than heat in poor rink conditions.
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He hit the net
with 8 shots last night against Tampa, and missed the net another 5 times (I think?)… that’s 13 attempted shots… that’s a Phil Kesselesque night.
Something isn’t working for him.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
am i oversimplifying
to suggest his eye-popping rookie stats might be in part due to the fact that a) he had little pressure to be the MAN in his rookie year, and b) the general Flames team around him was a lot better/lucky back then?
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a) he had little pressure to be the MAN in his rookie year
Remind anyone of a certain Leafs defenseman last year who was considered to have regressed this year?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
is that supposed to be reassuring
Schenn and Dion are clearly different types of players, but i’ll happily concede that we tend to get excited and have expectations about young players.
But i’m not sure what you’re saying here. Schenn has improved and so will Dion? Or Schenn’s going to regress just as Dion has so far?
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Not trying to say anything, just pointing out that we looked as Schenn as amazing in his rookie campaign because he had very little pressure but stepped up. So did Dion in his rookie year.
I’m not going to speculate on where they go now, there’s enough of that bouncing around here for a lifetime of analysis.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Dion had eye-popping stats for his first three years. As per my longer post below I’m a lot less worried about him after looking at the underlying TOI, SOG%, etc. numbers.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I noticed
last night our D (and a lot of shots from our forwards) missed the net completely. I understand trying to pick the corners, but if you are going to err on your location, you should at least hit the net – unless it is a set play where you have a forward down low on the opposite side.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 12, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
His shooting percentage was 7.2% in Calgary before the trade.
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He’s dropped 2 percentage points since joining the Leafs?
I guess zero goals in 11 games will do that.
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http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/phanedi01.html
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But more important than the drop: clearly his decreased shooting percentage didn’t put him on the market.
Calgary replaced him with Bouwmeester and needed some other parts rather than two big time D-men.
Calgary will take White, Stajan and Hagman who aren’t spare parts in their eyes clearly. Hagman’s a 25 goal guy, White’s solid play (he was enormous last night) will get him a DESERVED raise and they like Stajan enough to sign him for four years.
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75% of the assets moved by Toronto were considered spare parts.
One man’s trash and all that…
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Jamal GWG Mayers!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Hagman and White are spare parts and I don’t think Stajan is either based on Calgary’s valuation.
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I don't think
Hagman, White, or Stajan count as spare parts for Calgary at all.
Hagman = 25+ goal scorer, 50 point per year player.
Stajan = 27 year old top 6 forward who can get you 60 points and 50+ assists a year.
White = 27 year old top 4 D man who can get you 40 points and a +10 to +15 rating while playing the 2nd power play pairing…
those don’t sound like spare parts to me. They just aren’t individually top end stars.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ian White is +5 just this week.
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I think we’re talking past each other, sorry for not being clearer.
Toronto considered White, Stajan and Mayers spare parts. Burke said they’d be shopping Stajan, no interest in re-signing; Mayers was told to go find another team to play for; the Leafs said White was going to get a huge pay-day as an RFA and they didn’t want to pony-up the $$$. That clearly says spare parts to me.
I have no idea what value Calgary attached to those players.
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I agree that they were entirely disposable for us.
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Well I would hope
you realize the value they attached to Stajan… they just re-signed him to a $3.5 mill per year deal.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. Didn’t realize it. Closed my eyes, put my hands over my ears and went “La-la-la-la-la”
Wait. That’s the amount we all predicted Stajan would sign for…a contract that many GMs are apparently pissed at Calgary Calgary for tendering.
CGY still has to deal with White and Mayers’ contracts too.
Also unknown: how much of the trade was to acquire the four Leafs and how much was to get out from under Phaneuf’s cap hit.
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That’s what I find hilarious. We all basically agreed that that was the contract that Stajan was going to get if he didn’t get greedy and we were absolutely right!
Were these GMs really surprised? Because if they were then they are going to shit themselves this summer.
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I also find it hilarious
because it makes me wonder if the GM’s surf these blogs and get their concepts of contract values from reading our commentary.
“Hmm I wonder what the fans would be able to digest?… let’s see what they have to say Stajan is worth!”
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
in that case Hfboards must have a block on it
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
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I think White is going to be one of the most interesting RFA cases this summer. Be something else if he won big in arbitration and Calgary walked.
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By taking on Hagman on resigned Stajan to $3.5M, they are already past Phaneuf’s $6.3M cap hit. Then add White’s raise to $3Mish, and they have a bigger cap hit even with Sjostrom’s contract leaving.
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CGY still has to deal with Mayers’ contracts too
You’re funny.
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Considering the team traded for Toskala, I wouldn’t be shocked if Mayers was re-signed.
I’d laugh. But I wouldn’t be surprised.
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Toskala was undefeated and didn’t surrender a single goal in ANA.
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by mf37 on Mar 12, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1.000 sv %
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Even better… he didn’t actually play, so it was infinity!
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that just makes me want to kick him in the balls
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so….no change then?
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I’m not saying Stajan is worth the money, just saying that clearly Calgary thinks he’s a valuable player. We gave away things we didn’t want / need and got something we did.
Calgary did the same thing.
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Calgary needs to replace
Craig Conroy… Phaneuf’s outgoing offense… and they wanted another scoring winger to help balance out pressure when teams fixate on Iginla… Hagman replaces that.
Mayers is gone after this year.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I just typed up a big fanpost on this which got deleted somehow when I tried to preview it. I’m too lazy to duplicate but here’s the Coles Notes version:
1. Phaneuf’s shooting percentages and shot totals have not differed dramatically throughout his career. We can count on him for ~ 250 shots and ~ 15 goals assuming he gets > 25 mpg and > 5 PP MPG.
2. His assists have taken a weird decline this year but I’m hoping that’s attributable to lesser ice time behind J-Bo and the Flames’ general offensive struggles. Up until this year he’s been just fine, and generally trending upwards.
3. He has never been a shut-down guy. His Qualcomp has always been in the bottom half of the Flames’ line-up and he plays on the 2nd PK unit.
4. He’s an utter workhorse, in terms of TOI and GP.
5. If we assume, based on the conclusions above, that he’s good for 10-15 G, 30-45 A and 45-60 Pts, and > 25 MPG, he’s not terribly overpaid compared to other guys in the $6-7 range (J-Bo, Boyle, Redden (hahaha) Pronger, TImmonen, Jovo-cop).
I feel much better about him having looked at some of the underlying numbers.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Are you sure it didn’t manage to auto-save?!?
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Not as far as I can tell. How would I recover an auto-save? I previewed, closed, and when I came back it was gone. May have something to do with my browser’s hatred for pop-ups. Anyway, key conclusions are above.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Try this
- click on new fanpost
- click on fanposts tab at the top
- change status filter to drafts
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Yeah, I did that
Something weird happened when I came back to fix something in the previews. Sure it’s my fault.
Anyway, PPP saved me and it’s up now.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Plus he hits like a fucking Mack truck.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
And, compared to his salary contemporaries, he’s way young.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hitting hard is no good when he goes out of position or gets too caught up in this aspect, which he was guilty of doing a lot in Calgary and little bits of it in Toronto so far.
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There’s definitely a trade off there. He needs to play with someone who’s defensively sound to cover his mistakes.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I liked him paired with Gunnar last night
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Or Beauch, I think they’ve played well together too.
Hey, big hits are fun to watch, plus anything you can do to get in the other team’s heads is a good thing. Besides, he hasn’t been anywhere near XLB hitting bad, so as long as he keeps doing what he’s doing I’ll be happy with it.
I’ve honestly hated this man with a fiery passion of hell since he was 17 and in Red Deer. I never thought I’d see the day he’d be (almost) the captain of my Leafs. Have to say I’m pretty excited about it now.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think I’m just trying to temper my expectations in anyway I can at this point. I can’t forget how bad defensively he was in Calgary the last couple seasons with an offensive game that was negligible. Phaneuf was brutal and was an absolute horror show at times. But honestly, I really do want to like him, especially now that he’s on the Blue & White.
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I hear ya, but after having watched him play a lot, I just don’t see him not coming out of it. Perhaps he was the victim of the system, or Keenan’s rotten coaching. He’s just performed so well for so long, to think that at 24 he’s regressing just doesn’t add up to me.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would have more confidence in Phaneuf if he didn’t struggle almost as much with Brent Sutter as he did with Mike Keenan.
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Well, I reserve the right to be cautiously optimistic. I didn’t totally jump the shark on him like when they picked up Phillip. Mostly because I still hated him then.
He’s going to have to grow into his role and then thrive. Just saying I know he has the tools to do it.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
last night
think i saw in the boxscore he took 8 shots last night. Even more than Kessel. I’m aware that his shooting % is not going to stay at 0 in his Leaf career. And I like what I’ve seen out there — he’s not really driving the bus as far as I can tell on either end, but his play has been devoid of the knocks i’ve heard against him (suspect D, boneheaded PIMs, occasionally dirty hit)
I just don’t like that Flames fans are still gleeful over that trade even as their team falls apart :)
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I wouldn’t say they are gleeful at all. They all thought they could get more for Phaneuf than he got.
Hagman was a great component, but I’m not sure they realize that Stajan’s cap hit and what White will likely recieve (unless they trade him in the summer) is going to take up all of what they saved from Phaneuf.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
i said that at the time
Stajan and Hagman already make more than Phaneuf, and White is yet to be resigned.
I really think the Sutter era is ending there. That Flames team gets thinner and thinner every year. Iginla’s prime has been wasted. If I were a Flames fan, I’d be building around J-Bo and trading Kipper/Iginla for a bumper crops of picks/prospects
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That sounds like a good plan, until you realize they signed J-Bo to anchor a playoff contender.
If they have to rebuild, they’ll have wasted Iginla’s AND Bouwmeester’s prime.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Iginla?
I really don’t see that happening… but then again I never saw them moving Phaneuf either.
I’d be interested to see what Flames fans would expect for trading him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Iginla is that franchise, but then Kovy was the Thrashers
Im sure that the repercussions would be much worse in Alberta though
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you mean, but a comparison of Iginla and Kovy isn’t really the same…. Kovalchuk would have been welcome to stay there for another decade, they didn’t want him to leave at all.
Friggin guy got greedy and screwed the entire franchise. I doubt Iginla would EVER do that, too much class.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, different players, different markets though
A player like Kovy is worth more to the thrash because of the excitement and numbers he brings, all flash and magic, where Iginla is worth more to a team with a deeper rooting in hockey, he can put up good numbers sure, but he does a lot of things that many casual fans in Atlanta probably wouldnt appriciate
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
What are they going to do? Send the Flames back to Atlanta?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 12, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
the optics on trading Iginla are just terrible. But with their cap situation and hilariously constant need for a #2 scoring line and backup goalie, i dont see how that team can go from playoff contender to cup contender. They cant buy new UFAs and they dont have the kids (as far as i can tell) to improve enough internally
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And,
Daaaaryyyyyyl is almost completely out of draft picks.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
…not to mention time, by my calculations. Trade for Vesa Toskala = tick tock tick tock tick tock…
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One thing that worries me
Dion needs to play better defensively. Yes, I know he as point-getter, but sometimes he handles the puck like it is a grenade.
Dion, keep doing what you are doing in the offensive zone, but you need to tighten your play in your own zone(especially when getting forechecked) and in the neutral zone.
I hope he is coachable for this aspect of his play. He doesn’t need to play like a shutdown guy but a little work on his D would be appreciated.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 12, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Dion's puck management
and Defensive Zone awareness are absolutely atrocious.
He makes a lot of bad giveaways on dangerous passes in his own end, and he has a tendency to fixate on players who have annoyed him recently when he’s in his own end.
He needs to grow up a bit I think… not sure that’s about to happen though.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
As per my post above, he is what he is. We should NOT be counting on Dion to shut down the opposition’s top line. That’s being handled by Beauch and Gunnar this year, and hopefully Komi and Schenn as well going forward.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I must give a tip of my hat to the Cox Bloc guys
because whenever I see WCH, I instinctively assume it’s Howard Berger.
So glad Skinnyfish was linking the Western College Hockey blog instead.
fully agree on point 3. Think I heard someone post something similar before…
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I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I almost wonder if Kaberle is playing himself into a position where he could be affordable as a 5th D/PP specialist type. BB said his goal is to re-sign him, not that I think BB has any obligation to tell us what he’s REALLY thinking.
I still think we need to trade one of our veteran D, but I totally agree the return for Kabby is diminishing almost daily. Sad, I’ve always loved him.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
It is amazing
what a few months of offseason does to drive the price up on a puck moving defensemen… believe me, most GM’s (stupidly) will put a decreased significance on the last half of Kaberle’s season.
He won’t net a #1 C and a top pick/prospect, but he may get one or the other.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 12, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
At this point I’d be happy with that. Though I’d be happier re-signing Kabs cheap (I know, pipe dream) and trading Komi (I know, also pipe dream). For a supposed shut-down guy I was surprised to see Komi has a negative Qualcomp (Beauch, Gunnar & Phaneuf lead the team).
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Komi was dealing with a shoulder injury and finally went out for surgery…
first – if he was playing and playing well, we wouldn’t want to trade him.
Second – because of his limited time with the team, no one would want to trade for him.
Not going to happen.
Finger needs to go, and Kabs is looking more disinterested every game.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 12, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Komi
If he was suffering from a shoulder injury coming in, than Burke should have recognized it and not signed damaged goods.
Secondly lets not assume that just b/c he has surgery to fix a ‘nagging problem, that was diminshing his play.’ That was what we all hoped for Toskala this year.
he had the same (or very similar) surgery to Kessel, and he has recovered pretty good, I’d say thats reason enough to assume the procedure has fixed said ’nagging problem
plus, toskala just flat out sucks and there isnt surgery for that
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know that Komi's problems are surgically reperable
either.
He isn’t blocking as many shots as he used to and he took a lot of dumb penalties trying to do too much.
He needs to be a #3 or #4 who plays big PK minutes, not a #1 or #2.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, Komis game was full of mental mistakes when he first started with the Leafs, but his game was getting pretty solid before he went out the second time. Lets hope when he comes back next season that is the Komi we see
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
THe weird thing is
Jeff Finger has the highest rate of shot blocking on the Leafs by a mile.
80+ in 36 games? More than 2 blocked shots per game.
That’s better than Komisarek’s 65 in 36 games.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I want to see Komi play with the new Leafs (post trade deadline) and healthy before too much judgement is dropped.
A lot of Komi and Phaneuf hate going on today.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 12, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, Komi (playing the way he did his last 10 games) would compliment Phaneuf well
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's not hate
It’s tempered reflection.
I have no real problem with either player, I just think we expect too much… a lot of which is based around their salaries.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
i'm demanding
big things from Komi next year. That is all. I really want to like him, but $4.5 million is a lot to pay for a dman with no offense, unless he’s an absolute stud shutdown guy.
We shall see. I’m hopeful.
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One thing I'll give Komisarek
is he seems the sort to kill it when working to come back from injury… perhaps to a fault.
In that vein, I expect him to be 100% healthy next season.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I am curious what people think a top 3 shut down defenseman is worth? How much is he over paid if he is that guy who shuts down the Ovie’s and the crosbys every game?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
if he shuts down ovie and crosby
then absolutely i dont mind the $4 or $5 M range. But he’s a long way from Foote/Stevens in their prime.
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ok, well lets just say he is a step below those two, I’d say 4 mill is a fair value. throw in half a mill for UFA mark up and still he is a decent value (IF he plays of course)
The thing is a PURE offensive defenseman like Kaberle is marked as an incredibly steal at 4.25 (and he isnt in the league of some of the best D in his category of all time either) so Komi being massively over paid as a pure defensive property at roughly the same skill level defensivly as kabby is offensively at 4.5 seems a bit of a stretch
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
not massively
But when the defensive stats on the Leafs have been horrid all year (but improving steadily, granted) you tend to look down the line of people who’s job it is to keep the puck out of the net and point the finger. Ironically, i’m also pointing the finger at Finger.
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yeah, but it is hard to place Komi with his injuries this year. He had a rough start that is stuck in everyones mind because of the absolutely horrendous team game the leafs played, but steadily increased the effectiveness and level of his play before he went down for good.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not running him out of town just yet
i’m just saying that at this point in a basically lost season (baby steps and small victories and blah blah, i know) I have two lists — pleasant surprises/reasons for hope and guys who have disappointed/might be part of the problem.
The former has names like Bozak, Kessel, Gunnarsson, Kessel, Stalberg, Kulemin and Caputi on it.
I’m hoping for a bounceback, but at this point Komi’s closer to the second list than the first. He makes $4.5 million! Wouldn’t you think Schenn/Gunnar are trending to do what he does in 2-3 years? Then that $5M helps bring us the No 1 centre we’re all lusting after.
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gunnarson will never do what komi does.. we really haven’t seen komi do what he does yet, he was playing out of his skin on a new team and then he went down with a bum shoulder. wait until next year, he’ll be a different player esp. with the addition of phaneuf
Dmitri Yushkevich was so tough, he once blocked a Chuck Norris kick with his teeth and finished the shift.
by AkiSchennberg on Mar 13, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Again, Komi has NOT been used as a shut-down guy by the Leafs. He was with the Habs pre-injury, but his Qualcomp here was 4th on the team. Not sure why.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Komisarek hasn’t played a lot. QCOMP should update as the players he played against’s stats change right?
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Good question, I don't know.
But it’s negative this year.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Comparable shut down guys
Chris Phillips, Anton Volchenkov, Dan Hamhuis, Greg Zanon, Colin White, Brooks Orpik, Kurt Sauer, etc.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Volchenkov will be the water mark with his new contract me thinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
or Hamhuis
who is also a UFA.
Orpik is making $3.75 million as a stanley cup winner.
I don’t know that $3.5 is “ridiculous”… it seems about right at this point.
Komisarek is overpaid … let’s be honest.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Glad somebody agrees with me on this. I almost got lynched the other day for suggesting it.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
/uncoils rope
Huh?
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The issue here is
the Leafs went and got crazy in free agency, competing to sign a player they had targeted, that other teams were interested in.
They had to make a big splash so Burke’s ego got in the way of realistic valuation.
I don’t think it’s a great plan on their part, but I know where it’s coming from.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
We just like to hang you out to dry.
This is why we also defend the Leafs D men.
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I agree he is over paid, I just dont think he is as badly over paid as some make it out to be
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Robyn Regher
is the closest to an overpaid Defensive Shutdown guy like Komi I can find.
He’s making $4.02 mill per year for the next 4 years.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
was he signed as a UFA?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Nope...
Calgary extended him.
The issue is… they gave him what they thought he was worth… which is probably more than he deserved.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ope
here’s another couple
Eric Brewer = $4.25 mill per
Barret Jackman = $3.625 mill per
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Komisarek
is the most expensive “shut down” guy in the NHL… and he’s playing for the team with the most money so it makes a levle of sense…
unfortunately there’s that thing called a Salary Cap.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
he is also the most recently signed UFA pure shut downer (that I can think of) maybe salaries are trending up?
Like I said, I think Volchenkov will be a good ruler point to how much someone like that is really worth to the market
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit Jared just correctly used a statistical trend to make an argument
WE’RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE PEOPLE
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always keep em guessing
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
IS THIS REAL LIFE?
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Kurt Sauer
$1.75 mill for 3 years.
Brent Seabrook, $3.5 milion for 2 years.
Chris Phillips, $3.5 million for 2 more years.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 12, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Seabrook is a ridiculously good value
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Kurt Sauer? Don’t you mean Jeff Finger?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Take it easy there Cliff.
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Don’t expect too much. There’s no way he’s more than a #4 on a team with Phaneuf, Beauch, Schenn and Gunnar. At least one of Schenn or Gunnar should be better than him next year. And his Qualcomp #2 this year indicate he was not being used as a shut-down guy.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly right. He’s not #2 material.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
PP specialist?
Not sure I buy that theory since our PP sucks. Maybe I’m being bleak today (sorry its been awhile) but Kaberle is going from one of my favourites on a value contract, to a UFA to be who will end his Leaf career with a whimper — if possibly overpaid at the end.
Kaberle does one thing that makes him valuable and that’s as a puck moving offensive Dman. Right now he’s not. I hope other GMs haven’t noticed
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at last night's game
Sitting directly across from was the all the guys from Trailer Park Boys, and true to form, Julian had a rum and coke in his hand! Looked like they were having a good time too.
Welcome
Thanks for joining. Nice to see Julian staying in character.
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One of the reporters twittered that the Trailer Park Boys were in the Leafs dressing room after the game and were a big hit with the players. Might have been Freidman…
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 12, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to point out
that the Leafs have actually scored 4 goals per game in their last 2 games. The offensive woes have more to do with their opponents than their own ability (or inability to score).
They deserved a better goal scoring fate in the first game against Boston last week.
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hmmm, according the MLHS Burkie is about to sign another NCAA player
Simon Gyspers
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions
Day late and a dollar short
It’s Simon Gysbers and the Marlies signed him a couple of days ago.
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I even commented on that….yup, i clearly didnt get enough sleep
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 12, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the news is just that Burke is going to sign him to a full contract. Might have something to do with 50 contract limit.
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Did Mirtle caption that article???
Stahhhhhlberg.. that’s all
Dmitri Yushkevich was so tough, he once blocked a Chuck Norris kick with his teeth and finished the shift.
Heh, I love when people think I write all the headlines, etc.
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