Revisiting: "Leafs - Best defense in the league?"
Hey PPP fans,
I wanted to take this time to revisit a post I made in the summertime, claiming that, on paper, Toronto had one of the best defense corps in the league. Before I continue this post, let me make something very clear. I WAS WRONG. There, I said it. I was very wrong. Frankly, I feel a bit better having said it out loud.
Could the general ECHL-level play of Toskala be a reason for the underperforming defense? Yes. Obviously. A large part. Can my unrealistic expectations of rookie goaltender Jonus Gustavsson also have played a part? Why, yes. But, short of all excuses one can make regarding goaltending, it's pretty indisputable that the Leafs defense has been atrocious. A 6-4 win versus the Edmonton Oilers, great as it was to see 6 goals scored, was not encouraging. Nor was a 4-1 loss to the New York Islanders. Could this be the goaltenders' fault? It's possible, and I'm sure an argument could be made, but I'm going to say that would be a VERY weak argument.
So, what's going on with our defence? I don't actually have the answer. I'm more interested in getting opinions from the rest of PPP nation. Some analysis after the jump
Francois Beauchemin - What happened? Despite his heroics in net, one of his most exciting attributes is that he's toted to be a difference-maker on the powerplay. Instead, he has but 10 powerplay points, and is a -16. He's shown bright spots, and I remember his great play from when he was on the Ducks. Is he just suffering from a bad Leafs team? Or is he one of the causes? Keep in mind, you can't say about EVERY player "well, they play on the Leafs so keep that in mind". Eventually, someone needs to be held accountable. Is Franky HappyTrails the guy?
Dion Phaneuf - Too soon to judge his time with the Leafs. You get a pass, Dion.
Ian White - Obviously no longer a Maple Leaf, he was a lone consistent bright spot for the first half of the season. Thanks to his great play, we were able to parlay him into Dion Phaneuf.
Luke Schenn - I've been very happy with his play. He's +1 in 2010, despite his secret sophomore slump that nobody in the Toronto media seems to have mentioned. I would have thought something like that would have got some sort of mention in the media or on blogs. Guess not. Anyway, sarcasm aside, I still think he has the ability to be a Maple Leafs mainstay. Was he the root of the Maple Leafs defense problems though? It's possible. I'll let you guys state your opinions.
Garnet Exelby - I take a pass on him, simply because he sucks. Sorry if you like him - he's not the guy I want in front of my goalie. Ever. Is he the root of the Leafs problems on defense? Absolutely not. He just adds to them. He doesn't get enough TOI to be the cause of the problem in my opinion.
Tomas Kaberle - Possibly the most enigmatic Leaf of the year, Kaberle has flashes of brilliance still, yet also has many defensive zone flaws. For some reason, he likes playing in Toronto and refuses to waive his NTC. I guess I'm happy that he loves being a Maple Leaf. But I'd much rather have seen a prospect and a first round pick. With 47 points on the year, I can't say I'm disappointed in his production, however he's also a -17. What happened to you Tomas? Should we trade for Bryan McCabe? Your best years were when the two of you were paired! Is Kaberle, rather than being arguably the Leafs best player, in fact the reason the Leafs suck?
Jeff Finger - NSFW language is all that's appropriate here. I hate you. But were you the cause of our problems? You are a -9, despite having only played in 37 games. The argument can be made, despite the limited ice time on the 3rd pair, that your lack of ability has been costly.
Carl Gunnarsson - I don't have anything negative to say about you. Good job. You earned a spot on a full roster. You're even such a good teammate that you share the goal-scoring glory with your goaltender!
Mike Komisarek - Sadly, you get a pass. I say sadly, because I felt as if you were just finding your game at the time of your season-ending surgery. Hopefully next year you're able to live up to your hefty contract.
Mike Van Ryn - I actually feel sorry for you. I hope you're able to recover from your injuries and are able to secure a minor-league contract for next year, or even in the KHL. Eventually I'd like to see you have a comeback in the NHL.
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To be fair
We were all spectacularly wrong because at the very least we thought that they were going to be good.
Toskala is a reason, Gustavsson too, but not completely.
Happy Trails is my biggest disappointment. At least Komisarek seemed to be turning things around when he went down.
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I agree with all of that. My thoughts on Finger are well known. Exelby is even worse than expected. But Beauchemin is the largest reason for the decline of the defense corps. He, and Kaberle’s defensive zone liability.
Positives:
Schenn’s last 3 months
Gunnarsson
The acquisition of Phaneuf (and Keith Aulie?)
Komisarek’s potential
Kaberle’s (declining) trade value
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Let's be fair with the whole Schenn thing...
being paired with defensive liabilities such as Exelby & Finger didn’t really help matters or whatever.
On an other subject, Gunnarsson has been a pleasant surprise this season. Hopefully he doesn’t fall victim to the sophomore slump.
although I’d argue that it’s more of a sophomore half-season slump if Schenn is to be used as an example
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Exactly
though the compounding conundrum of having to play alongside terrible d-men in Exelby & Finger made it worse for Luke. However, good on Schenn for overcoming the slump and whatnot.
by Marc Pilgrim on Mar 15, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with everyone here
Also, Dion has not shown me (yet) that he can be defensively sound… also he is not racking up the points an ‘offensive defenceman’ is supposed to.
We can’t have both Kaberle and Dion on this team as high paid defensive liabilities.
Also, Beauch really needs to pick up his game. There was about 2 weeks there where I thought he was coming around.
Let’s see what happens next season without Toskala, Exelby, Finger(yes he is gone) and probably Kaberle (Burke saying ’I’d bet on Kaberle re-signing is all optics. Kaberle is not signing without a NTC and I doubt Burke is giving him one.)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 15, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
I actually think Phaneuf has been pretty good, defensively speaking. A few brain cramps, but overall, good. You’re right that he should start putting up a few more points, and overall, he is a ways from earning every dime of that contract of his.
Agree that he’s been pretty good. It’s hard as a defenseman to rack up points though, when you’re working with the thinnest forward group in the league.
One finisher for break-out plays, plus no one to create any screens or tips in front, which are the two common ways for d-men to score points.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 15, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing that hasn't been mentioned:
Our forwards’ ability to help backcheck and clear the zone. For example (and I concede that this is partly due to the system the buds are supposed to play), but our wingers are kitten-soft on the point when we’re hemmed in.
I’m glad you gave Phaneuf and Komi a pass, not enough games played to judge their impact on our team for the future.
I am confident Schenn will be great as long as we continue to be patient.
Gunnarsson – what else is there to say?
I’ll leave Kaberle alone because he’s getting ragged on pretty hard today.
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Beauchemin
has both the highest QUALCOMP and QUALTEAM for the Leafs’ D. His TOI/60 is also highest on the team, in fact it’s 8th highest in the league. He’s also tops in TOI/60 on the PK for the Leafs, and 3rd highest on the PP. His 5 on 5 GA/On60 is lower than Schenn or Kaberle’s. His PK GA/On60 is 3rd worst, behind Kaberle and Komisarek. His Pts/60 5 on 4 is 3rd best, behind Kaberle and Phaneuf.
Couple his astronomically high ice time with horrible goaltending and I’m shocked he doesn’t look worse.
He’s being played as a top 2 d-man, minus the top 2 pedigree. He’s a good d-man, but it doesn’t look like he can carry a blue line all by himself. With Komisarek’s return next year, I think Happy Trails will see more PP time and less PK. What I hope is that Wilson rewards Gunnarsson with more PK time, as his play continues to improve. A completely bounced back Schenn would be nice as well.
That said, how much of all this is symptomatic of the aforementioned horrible goaltending? I don’t know if we’ll find that out next season either. Hopefully I’m wrong.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 15, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
There is data out there to normalize +/- figures to take into account save percentages of both teams goalies while a player is on the ice. I think the Muppet did this recently to show that Gunnar, while awesome, has been helped by unusually good goaltending by our goalies and unusually poor goaltending by the opponents when he is on the ice. Curious to see what this would do to our other D-men.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 15, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe his awesomeness inspires our goaltenders and strikes fear into theirs..
ever consider that, huh? No one messes with the Gun Show!!!
/crazy fan booster rant
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Kent Wilson
Yeah, I remember the post.
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Good point
I thought for sure Beauchemin was playing far too much, even in comparison to his Anaheim days, and that’s not what you want to do with a d-man who is known for being up and down in the past.
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Beauchemin is playing less than he did in 2006/07 and 07/08, and barely more than he did last year. It’s not that he’s playing more—he isn’t. I think the difference is that in his two big Anaheim years his Qualcomp was third behind Niedermayer and Pronger. He wasn’t playing soft minutes, but he wasn’t the go-to shut-down guy. In Toronto, with Komisarek’s injury, he has been. I think part of the problem with our defensive roster is we have two minutes eaters (Dion and Beauch), but neither is a true shut-down guy. You can’t just leave those guys out there half the game and not worry about it.
It also probably doesn’t hurt that he’s two years older and coming off a major injury.
Assuming no trades or injuries (big if of course) next year I’d like to see Gunnarsson and Komisarek match up with the opposition’s best line. Beauchemin and Phaneuf would play the big minutes, then Schenn and Kaberle. I like Komi-Schenn as the shut-down pair in theory but they’re our only two right-hand shots. PP would be Kaberle/Phaneuf, Gunnarsson/Beauch, PK would be Komi/Gunnar, Schenn/Beauch (want to keep L/R on the PK for clearing pucks out of the corner).
Ultimately I think this of course proves that someone needs to be traded because I think all 6 of these guys warrant 20+ minutes.
Long-term of course I’d like Komi traded and Kabs re-signed cheap, Schenn-Gunnar, Phaneuf-Beauch, Kaberle-Aulie.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the difference is that in his two big Anaheim years his Qualcomp was third behind Niedermayer and Pronger.
07-08 – Tied for third with O’Donnell @ 0.058, Pronger @ 0.070, Niedermayer @ 0.092
08-09 – Highest QUALCOMP in ANA @ 0.047, above Niedermayer @ 0.045 and Pronger @ 0.013 (5th on ANA)
09-10 – 0.078
His TOI/60 is 17.44 in 07-08, 16.82 in 08-09 and is currently 18.49 this year. Couple that with the fact that he suffered a serious ACL injury, and the uptick in playing time might be wearing on him…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 16, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, his “two big years” were 06/07 and 07/08. #3 in Qualcomp both years. In 08/09 he only played 20 games I think so sample size issues.
I do think the icetime is wearing on him.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 16, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
in 06-07, Beauchemin had the 3rd highest QUALCOMP in ANA @ 0.039, Pronger had a 0.046 while Niedermayer had a 0.140(!!)
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think our defensemen have been as horrible as our goaltending and our overall team defense. I think one of the people who should have a major share of the blame is Jason Blake. He coasted so much on the backchecks I swear his man must have scored at least 20-25 times against the Leafs alone this season.
Phaneuf looks ok to me. He’s not making any bad mistakes and is making it tough to go around him/scrum with him in the defensive zone. Beauch is also ok I don’t mind what he’s done at all. Finger/XLB are simply rancid. Schenn has been made to look bad a few times this season but the old Schenn is definetly back now. Komi was abhorrent at the start but settled down before the injury. Gunnar looks solid if unspectacular. Kaberle is playing some lazy hockey since the trades and it seems like he’s gone a bit nonchalant lately which isn’t a good sign.
The forwards we gave up namely Blake, Stempniak and sometimes Stajan were too lazy to burn it up on the backcheck and it led to a lot of goals. Since the trades our defensive coverage as a whole has looked a lot better. Hanson Kulemin Shoestrings and Lundmark are a lot more responsible defensively. Kessel is when he wants the puck otherwise he’s coasty down there too.
Other than defensive coverage two of our biggest liabilities are clearing out rebounds and getting the first lead pass to be crisp and spring a counter-attack. Other than Kaberle no one can make that pass. Even when Kabby does it the receiver can’t handle it half the time which leads to a turnover which leads to a goal. After we give up rebounds our players look like retarded headless chickens and we get scored on.
lastly 99% of the blame lies with John Mitchell who reminds the defense of the futility of trying to clear the puck because, alas, it will be Mitchell who eventually gets it and gives it back to the other team.
John Mitchell gets 1-game out of my bad books because of that shortside snipe on Elliot on Tuesday.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 18, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If he continues scoring a goal per game through the rest of the season, he will come out of the bad books…
I’m watching you, John F. Mitchell
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 18, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I still hate that giant ugly baby
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
(please note unrealistic expectations as condition for bad-book removal)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 18, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless John Mitchell turns into a first line 65 point player i will probably always hate him, even then it is a stretch
he just bothers me
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It is one dimensional to think Dion is a failure because he’s not Producin points. He brings alot of other variables to the table. Just by sheer effort and strength on ice he sets the bar higher for players in the room Improving overall performance as well as weeding out the coasters. He’s vocal and let’s his on ice play back it up. I’m also a big fan of the nasty way he plays the game. Big fan of the trade. Hockey is only as fun to watch as the players you’re watching.
by jmobes on Mar 21, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree—and, he’ll start producing again. His 0% shooting percentage is as unsustainable as Stempniak’s 31%. Based on career shooting percentages (and his shooting percentage with Calgary this year was above his career average, suggesting he hasn’t “lost it”) he’d have 3 goals with the Leafs—combined with his 5 assists that would be 8 points in 16 games. Which is just fine.
For all his “oops” moments the fact is not many people can eat minutes like he does and the fact the coaching staff keeps throwing him out there means something.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i never said any of those things about Dion…. i said he gets a pass. no positive or negative judgment
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Yeah, I was agreeing with you and adding on more positives. My comments more directed at some of the doubters.
Dion is not a sure thing but nothing I’ve seen so far makes me want to despair.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding Dion.
I think Dion has played rather well for the Leafs. The points might not be there, but the effort is. He’s defininately putting up the shots. The points will come. Besides, I think we won this trade by his play in his first game alone. Not to mention what he has done for the locker room attitude.
Barring a rediculous trade this summer, we also picked up our Captain for next year.
His biggest effect seems to be how the young players have responded to the changed attitude he brings. Being vocal, confident, and apparently rocking out harder to locker room music has brought some great confidence. Look at Luke Schenn since the trade, he’s looked great
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 28, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions

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