Devils at Maple Leafs
by Chemmy on Mar 18, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
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Last night the Devils pasted Pittsburgh to take over the division lead in the Atlantic. SkinnyFish and I watched them generate two breakaways 20 seconds apart while penalty killing to score a shorthanded goal. New Jersey shut down Pittsburgh and dominated them all night. That doesn't bode well for the Leafs.
However New Jersey swept Pittsburgh in their season series so they're nothing if not consistent. The Leafs and Devils play their final game of the season against each other tonight and the past three weren't terrible for Toronto. On January 29th the Leafs lost 4-5 in OT in New Jersey. Four days later Giguere shut them out at the ACC before the Leafs lost 3-4 to the Devils in New Jersey the next game. The Devils are second in the Eastern conference. Heading into this matchup at 1-1-1 against them means our boys have played the Devils harder than the Penguins. That's not terrible.
Jean-Sebastien Giguere gets the start across from Martin Brodeur.
Fredrik Sjostrom (aka Shoe Storm aka Sjobacca) returns from injury with his funny nicknames and excellent PK ability. From @MapleLeafs on Twitter Wayne Primeau and Jeff Finger are the scratches so it looks like we'll see more Garnet Exelby tonight. Toronto is now only four points behind Carolina who have a game in hand. Let's Flourish for Fowler (R)(TM)(Patent Pending)!
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going to the game tonight… first time ever with a set of 4 instead of 2. hopefully it’s not a gong show – one of the dudes joining me is a Devils fan. our record against them so far gives me a bit of hope, their performance against the penguins last night, not so much…
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I fucking hate games against the devils
but lets just hope that Brodeur continues to be weighed down by that gold medal he didnt earn
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
They're
4-1 in their last 5 games… not sure he’s been that weighed down.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
from the couple games ive seen, he has been kinda brutal, even in the wins, but then ive only seen 2
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's brutal
and he allows only 2 goals… I think most teams would take that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a .931
save percentage in the 4 wins also… I’m not sure how we’re defining brutal here.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's brutal
what the hell have Gustavsson and Giguere been? and why haven’t we strung them up yet?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Because whatever it’s been is still better than Toskala.
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see above.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and Toskala
has a .915 save percentage in his last 5 games… although two of those were in relief of other goalies.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
.944
since he’s been with the Flames.
Leafs D might have been part of the problem…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
someone has trouble getting more than one thought out at a time ;)
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I suffer from verbal diarrhea
it sort of pours out of me… plus I’m not as focused on the NCAA tourney as I was 20 minutes ago. Robert Morris let me down vs. Villanova.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
More likely small sample size
I’ve seen no convincing analyses that teammate effects can have material effects on SV%.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Blocked shots definitely would
If only because a team that blocks more shots reduces the number of shots on goal, which would alter the proportional impact of individual saves.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Then there's the issues of shot quality
i.e. shots from the perimeter vs. in close, with the shooting lanes clogged vs. open… etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The idea that the other players on the ice have zero impact on save percentage
is a bit weird to me.
It’s like saying a goalie should be able to stop shots with nobody on the ice just as well as they would with multiple guys skating around in front of them, distracting them, bumping into them, etc.
Obviously you aren’t arguing that… so the team mates do have a material impact.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the difference between an impact and a material impact. It may move a few percentage points but from the studies I’ve seen, it’s not going to account for anything close to the massive swing Toskala has enjoyed.
A lot of smart people have looked at this and found the “teammate effect” to be overrated IIRC.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so if you ignore the impact of teammates
You would chalk the differences up to mental impacts? focus? new goal pads?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well, Fleury did get much better after he tossed the banana gear
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Small sample size
Toskala had the occasional decent run for us too.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of like Giggy’s 1.000 sv% after two games with us.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes except
Giggy has played more than 2 games with us, and he has an .887 save percentage since those 2 games.
Recently he hasn’t played well.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my point
Toskalol will fall to earth (or to hell I should say) too.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I admit that
same goes for Giguere with us… I’m just saying that Brodeur’s “crap” play since the Olympics has been pretty damn good… as has Toskala’s… not sure we should anticipate victory because of anything like that.
I don’t think Toskala will suddenly become an all-star goalie in Calgary.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Brodeurs crap play is better than most goalies best play
(im gonna stick with this for no good reason)
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Giguere
.887 save percentage in his last 5 starts…. Those are almost Toskala like numbers.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
devils > Leafs
and Giggy has been….suspect at times
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
or the Leafs D has been
his numbers aside from those 2 shutouts have been worse in Toronto than they were in Anaheim.
Obviously the shut outs count, but it is still worrisome.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Giggy has let in his share of softies since coming to TO, but yeah, he like any other goalie behind the leafs has been hung out to dry
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What concerns me is the number of giveaways.
Phaneuf already has 10 giveaways in 14 games. That works out to 59 over a full season. Beauchemin is on pace for 63, and Kaberle is on pace for 62. That’s a LOT of giveaways.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Those numbes are ridiculously subjective.
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You mean giveaways?
as a stat? or my referring to them as worrying?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The stat.
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Yeah I will freely acknowledge that
And yet considering most players play an equal number of games on the road and at home, the variability would largely be due to home bias (positive or negative).
Even on the basis of anecdotal evidence from recent games, Phaneuf has handled the puck like a live grenade at times in the past couple of games… and that worries me.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This is one case where I’d put what you see about the stats.
And I agree with you on Phaneuf.
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Ok well for clarity
here are the stats that I think are subjective:
Hits, Blocked Shots, Assists, Takeaways, Giveaways
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I once read or heard somewhere that say if a Phaneuf shoots one from the point goes wide and the other team gets it, it counts as a giveaway. True/false?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
I believe they record it as a missed shot
not a giveaway.
Could be wrong though.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
something along those lines, been awhile. It was an explanation on why guys like Dion and Beauch had lots of giveaways
Fairweather fans can go to hell
no I think they have a lot of giveaways
because they give the puck away.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf
has 32 missed shots as a leaf, and only 10 giveaways.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Mind you
that isn’t an abnormal total for a puck carrying D man, but it’s bad that the Leafs now have 3 guys who are losing it at that rate.
Gunnarsson is also losing the puck at a comparable rate.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
Kabs, Beauch and Phaneuf are in the top 25 in giveaways among D-men. You know who is keeping them company? Among others, Hamrlik #1, Myers #2, Spacek #3, Green #4, Visnovsky #7, White #9, Rafalski #13, Boyle #16, Chara #18, Pronger #23, Doughty #24. That’s not guys who suck with the puck, that’s guys who have the puck a lot—some of the best D in the league. It’s like how Steve Nash usually leads the NBA in turnovers.
Guys I’d be worried about are ones like Gill, Phillips or Sutton, who are not supposed to be puckmovers but are still in the top 25 in coughing it up. Phaneuf, Kaberle and even Beauchemin carry the puck enough I don’t find their numbers troubling.
FWIW, Beauchemin is 15th in takeaways, Phaneuf #50 so (other than Kaberle) they’re making up for it.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's my point about Phaneuf
Kaberle doesn’t worry me since he carries the puck a lot.
Phaneuf doesn’t carry it as much… and Beauchemin really shouldn’t.
It bothers me that they’re holding on to it long enough to lose it, or headmanning it poorly enough that it goes directly to the other team. They shouldn’t be in the top 50.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ve got some good company. Not saying they’re as good as those guys I just think it’s a very limited stat and not one I’m going to worry about too much.
I think overall, however, they should not be paired together (DP and FB that is) and could benefit from steady presences paired with them.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Komisarek wasn’t particularly steady either though. He had more than 1 giveaway per game before his injury.
Schenn has less than 0.5 per game… he’s fairly steady.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think my views on Komi are well known. I don’t want to give blurr and leafer another aneurysm by going into it again.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Exelby and Finger are both pretty decent at not giving the puck away, but a lot of that likely has to do with the fact they play far less than the rest of the Leafs. On a per-minute basis I’m guessing Schenn and Beauchemin are the best on the Leafs… followed by Gunnarsson, Phaneuf and Kaberle.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Through the first half of the season, White’s giveaways were pretty high too.
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Part of me also wonders
how much of that is on the forwards for having poor gap control between them and the D.
If they aren’t where they’re supposed to be to recieve passes, they turn into giveaways.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Colin or Ian?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 18, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ian is playing pretty well for calgary, dion better be worth it in the long run. Whitey was awesome.
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 18, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
When you’re paying Hagman, Stajan and White $5M combined, it’s great.
When you’re paying Hagman, Stajan and White $9M combined, not so much…
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which is exactly the difference between this year and next, and why burke had to move them.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 18, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
In the 4 wins
Brodeur has a GAA of 2.00, and 2 of those games were against Pittsburgh.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I was looking over the Leafs schedule
for the remainder of the season.
I’m giving them even odds that they can pick up another 16 points over the last 12 games.
Two games against Atlanta, another against Florida, another against Carolina, another against the Rangers. I think they can win all of those. Then there’s a few others they could pull out.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
make that 2 against
the Rangers. And Montreal twice more on Saturday, and at the end of the year… and another game against Boston.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and cancel the Carolina game
I mixed it up with the Philly game… which maybe we won’t win.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
On a more positive note
I’m glad Sjostrom is back tonight. Who are they dropping from the Forward lines when he joins up?
crosses fingers hoping for Mitchell
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Jonas said Primeau.
Mitchell played his best game of the season against Ottawa
Fairweather fans can go to hell
yah, and Primeau has been pretty invisible other than that goal against the oilers
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 18, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell’s also been our best PK guy as this chart shows, going by GAON/60 at 4-on-5. Primeau and Kulemin are the worst among guys with over 1 TOI SH/gm.
Among D, Komi and Beauch—the guys brought in to stabilise the D—have had far and away the worst results on the PK. Exelby, Phaneuf and Finger, in that order, have been the best. Gunnarsson’s not far off. Schenn in the middle.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is an unfair assessment on Komi, all of his time here has been with Toskala in net and despite the numbers he has put up in Calgary in the 2 games he has played, he has been terrible. Also the team was in shambles in the beginning of the year. Next year we will be able to evaluate him. Although, I know you wont give him a fair shot.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Come on now, I’m trying to play nice (see comment above)! Note I said “worst results”, not “played the worst”. I give everyone a shot, just because I think it’s a bad contract doesn’t mean I don’t want him to succeed. I want every Leaf to succeed.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He may also prove us right.
His giveaway totals have nothing to do with Toskala particularly.
His decreased shot blocking totals don’t have much to do with Toskala either.
He’s not done much to blow anyone away yet.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You might want to look at the
QCOMP column. Mitchell has faced the lowest quality opposition which might have something to do with those results.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
especially when you include his
QTEAM…
Primeau’s QTEAM – QCOMP = – 1.484
Mitchell’s QTEAM – QCOMP = -0.744
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 18, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
were you looking at 4 on 5?
Surprised to see such a big variation for PK time, where usually you will always have a high Qualcomp and low Qualteam.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I do those things too, and I’m pretty sure I do get it.
But if there’s anything baseball has taught us it’s that people who just “play the game and watch the game” are often dreadfully wrong about who actually contributes most to winning or losing.
I am NOT launching a “stats vs. scouts” debate. They are both right. Both have legitimate roles to play in analysing and enjoying the game.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you there, both have legitimate roles. I think sometimes people look to into certain stats, such as +/- way to deeply.
I think when I pointed out Wozniewski was a +5 one year for the Leafs, it became apparent it is a flawed stat. I still stand by that.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Reply fail
+/- is a dreadfully inaccurate stat when looked at in isolation for a single year. behindthenet.ca provides much more sophisticated tools but even they can be highly misleading if looked at in isolation and without watching the games. Context is everything.
And I do hope I’m wrong about Komi. We need him to be good (since I can’t see how he’d be traded coming off this year).
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Numbers don’t move me like a damn fine narrative. I can argue with numbers for and against just about any issue, just need enough time to do the research. You can lie with #‘s just as easily with words. So spare me the dull stats. If I’m going to get “Bullshitted” blow me away with your command of the English language.
I’m sure you play, and watch…I’m sure everyone here does. This is all personal opinion
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 18, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, not meaning to attack anyone. Sorry if it came off that way. Not the point in the least. Maybe just fed up with statis a bit. Everyone here are damn fine people didn’t mean to attack or offend.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Mar 18, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, dull to you, but not to me. Feel free to ignore if we’re boring you!
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You can prove anything with statistics Kent, 85% of people know that.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 18, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignore any stats-based conversations then.
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MLM – I’d buy your argument if I could watch the games live, but so much of importance takes place out of the camera’s view that watching a game on TV doesn’t provide a sufficient look.
The stats help.
I wish I could get my hands on game film. Not sure that my wife and kids would like that idea too much though.
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Such a good point
Nothing beats sitting in the first few rows of the upper deck, centre ice.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 18, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So much of the important “little” things happen away from the puck.
Yes, wifey would probably leave me if I had access to game tapes.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Mar 18, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
further to that point, and it’s a different sport, but “Zidane” is a good movie to watch to appreciate the “little things” that world class athletes do. Artsy as fuck, and very anti-climatic, but worth watching for a good subjective analysis.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Mar 18, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually it does…
I guess I’m just waiting for a website to give me a nice qualitatitve anaylsis of hockey. Doesn’t have to be witty or any of that, just a damn fine description. Steve’s site there seems to balance quant and qualt pretty good.
Wendel Killer Joseph
by MapleLeafMole on Mar 18, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Number’s aren’t scary.
And I think a lot of ex-coaches and GMs prove that playing it and watching it are not nearly enough.
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+/- is a dreadfully inaccurate stat when looked at in isolation for a single year. behindthenet.ca provides much more sophisticated tools but even they can be highly misleading if looked at in isolation and without watching the games. Context is everything.
And I do hope I’m wrong about Komi. We need him to be good (since I can’t see how he’d be traded coming off this year).
how about Sjohorn?
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 18, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
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