Monday's Back
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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Well it's back to the routine of everyday life for everyone today. For some, that'll be really sucky, as it seems everyone who managed to make it to Toronto for the big meetup was very reluctant to leave (note: more pictures are required. I'm sure you're all sufficiently recuperated from your hangovers to humour me today). Me, I'm not so sure. Keiko was not feeling well this weekend, and I was very worried. She slept a lot more than usual, and was hardly playing, which meant we took her to the vet on Sunday afternoon. He said she's fine, but she is on some antibiotics for a rash on her tummy, and that they are probably making her feel poor. Yesterday she was doing better at least, a little more playful, and much less sleeping, so I feel good going in to work today. Well, aside from the fact that I have to go in to work. But we can't have everything, can we?
Links after the jump
- Leafs beat Montreal in a shootout
Vintage Leaf Memories reviews Saturday's win, and argues that it's time to get rid of overtime during the regular season. - Monster mashes Habs
budBlog's reaction on Saturday's win over the Habs, and the play of three Leafs - Gustavsson, Kessel and Phaneuf. - Leafs 2 - Habs 1 (SO) & FHF EXCLUSIVE
Beware, this one is from Four Habs Fans, but I found their photoshop worthy of linkage. - "Old" Leaf games worth watching from years gone by
Vintage Leaf Memories recommends some past Leaf games that are worth watching if you ever have the opportunity. - Jonas Gustavsson living up to early promise
NHL.com has a feature article on our very own Monster and his excellent play of late. - Them Blades at Mitzi’s Sister
jrwendelman has his recap of the other PPP meeting that happened on Saturday night - at Mitzi's Sister. - Maple Leafs Chat: Betcha Can't Eat Just One
LD has the latest Leafs Chat for you, featuring a visit to Hooker Harvey's! (Ah the memories). - Hamilton scores twice, including OT winner as Marlies rally to beat Heat 2-1
This game was televised on CBC yesterday, but here's a nice little recap for those of us who couldn't watch it. - Brittanie's legacy
BlueJacketsXtra with a heartbreaking tale about Espen Knutsen and the accidental death of a 13 year old girl in attendance at a BJ's game that had the misfortune of being hit by his slap shot.
MORNING UPDATE:
Great article from Bruce Dowbiggen about why Elliotte Friedman deserves more facetime on HNIC.
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Still in TO
I think beta has most all of the pictures, so they’ll be a little delayed still, but we’re leaving in about 40 minuteish so maybe by tonight? Not entirely sure.
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no worries. the pics on my iPhone are mostly blurry outside Phil’s doppelganger
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 22, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It was his birthday!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He bought us a round of the maniliest shots of all time!!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 22, 2010 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OH MAN those were good. So good, I looked up a recipe:
It’s Half Sour Puss, and Half Banana Liquor! I’m keeping that shot in mind for future birthdays.
"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."
To Mats.
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 22, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
did you guys seriously toast mats? that’s making me a little weepy just thinking about it.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
yes, and the shots were delicious
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The drink
Was ‘Swedish Berries’ so we needed a Swedish toast.
“To Stalberg” doesn’t quite work yet.
Always follow the Crown Trools
to Goggles?
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if it was a non-alcoholic shot.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 22, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
we’re like 2/12 in our swedish experiments
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we are of the Mats generation
Salming is a close second though
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Jonas Hoglund is a close 14th for me
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometime over the weekend
I lamented the loss of Alex Steen to someone.
Always follow the Crown Trools
they say never give up on young players. Even tho I hate JFM it would be dumb not to resign him. I also lament that trade even though maybe I forgive Cliff a little bit after seeing what Lee is doing in phoenix
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Koopakid put my head back on by making some very logical statements involving Matt Stajan’s name and I agreed, but I still really liked Steen when he was here.
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I kinda thought about it lately. He had a child around the time he was slumping. And it did seem that his head was out of it. But I admit I was sour on him by the end of it same with Carlo but that trade worked out horribly for us
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Me!
I miss him too :(
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 22, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHA
Good thing your wife was there to confirm that there was nothing untoward about that.
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Mrs. DGB had a great time, by the way. Then again, what could be more fun for a sober woman than talking to a bunch of drunk sports bloggers…
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 22, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, now she knows what your dating life would have been like if the internet had been invented back then.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Best comment though, when DGB walked in:
“Funny, I don’t even see the collar”
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Thank you, thank you. You’re far too kind.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
it was one of those moments where something was actually too funny to laugh at
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Mrs. general borschevsky was very thankful to have Mrs. DGB there to talk to. Sorry we couldn’t stay longer.
Oh, and congratulations on the new addition!
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
How was the fancy dinner?
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 22, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It was really fancy
Our gift certificate was for 50$.
The bill came to 139$.
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to hear it!
You guys were absolutely excellent company.
It was a pleasure to meet you.
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as far as I’m concerned you’re a celebrity GB i’ve been reading your blog before ppp and I hold you in high regard.
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Gosh…
PPP and DGB were my daily reads long before I started blogging so credit for any success should go to them. Not to mention He Score He Shoot, Cox Bloc, Darcy Tucker Fan Club, Loser Domi, Die Hard Blue and White, Bitter Leaf Fan, and Sports And The City.
Just happy to be a part of the Barilkosphere. Lots of other great blogs out there too now, like Handsome Man’s Guide To Life, Hungry Leafs Fan, and Bloge Salming, just to name a few.
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
definetly but to me you loser domi and dgb were the OG’s and forever will be.
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re welcome but thank you. Barlikosphere gave me what I was looking for
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In other playoff news...
All four top seeds lost in the first round of the PPPPP Playoffs. Damn!
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 22, 2010 7:47 AM EDT reply actions
Effing Ryan Miller.
I played him over Halak on Tuesday night; Miller gives up three goals on five shots, Halak wins and has a .950 SV%. I play Halak and I win the week, instead of losing on a tiebreak.
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Pekke Rinne had a beast of a week. 3W, 2SO, .968 SV%
The rest of my team… not so much. I lost every other category.
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Playoffs is just beginning it PPPPP2. Haven’t managed my team after the Olympics but I’m still third! I hope my goalies can pull it together this week…
by Hungry Leafs Fan on Mar 22, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Maw, puppy looks sad.
Her green devil eyes scare me, however.
"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."
she just looks confused. Like “daddy…why?”
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all of us have green eyes
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by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you pick Keiko so she’d be co-ordinated with you?
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haha
we didn’t know what colour her eyes were when we first got her. Even now they just look dark, no colour, you have to look close to tell they’re green.
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by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope the puppy is OK now!
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
yeah she’s been feeling a lot better, but the vet said to expect her to be a bit up and down because of the antibiotics.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So the 'Yotes have won 9 straight
and are almost top of the Western Conference. Can anyone tell me about them, what kind of game they play? Ive only seen them a few times, and from what I know they have a Vezina goalie and play a disciplined well executed team game. Do they trap? Are they fast? Great PP/PK? Tough like the Ducks? Who are they go to guys?… They’re a cup contender but I know nect to nothing about them
Go to
The big man in charge goes by the name Travis Hair, aka OdinMercer, aka The Desert Godfather, aka Cactus Jack, aka TravisHair.jpg, aka @TravisHair on Twitter.
He’ll answer all of your questions and then some.
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I thought of that but it looks like they get about 1 comment per fanpost so I decided to ask here first. Ill give it a try though, thanks
you'll need this
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
That's hilarious
but Im at work right now so cant save it. You should head on over there and post it
There’s only one Cactus Jack.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 22, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
BANG BANG!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly!
Besides, Truth or Consequences is in New Mexico, not Arizona.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 22, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They play the “Ilya Bryzgalov is really good when it counts” style of game. It works for them.
by Bower Power on Mar 22, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re something like 17 for 21 after regulation and their goals for vs goals against don’t suggest their record should be as good as it is.
Phoenix’s production looks largely unsustainable. Also unsustainable: Lee Stempniak’s 31% shooting.
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The fact that he scored 9 goals boggles my mind. This guy couldn’t hit the net with a beach ball while he was playing here.
I keep flashing back to the game here in Vancouver where he had a clear cut breakaway and missed the net by about 5 feet.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, their GF/GA suggests an 87 point team, not a 97 point team. Going 17-5 in SO/OT will do that for you (Leafs 6-12 even after 5 SO/OT wins in a row).
Bryzgalov is also having a career-best year. Not way off, but a .921 vs. his career average of .914 means about 13 goals over the year, which converts to about two extra wins I think.
Good for them, they’re playing to their strengths. But I would not bet on them repeating it next year. Sorry Travis.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah they’ll have to improve personnel to keep it up next year. I do think Bryzgalov’s stats are helped by Tippet’s defensive system, though.
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by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I plan to document my TO invasion. Plus my camera has video capabilities.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 22, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
yay!
We can always count on you, wrap.
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by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I do what I can. If only I had one of those awesome FLIP HD cameras.
As per new community rules; all signature tags on PPP must contain the word "truculent".
(843): the red head has a bf
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
so
the Stars are looking for a scoring defenseman, it seems…. I see a destination for Kaberle!
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by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Never gonna happen. Though their 1st rounder, or their 2nd and 4th………
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I dunno, I’d throw in Hanson with Kaberle to get Neal maybe…
I am a bit wary of trading with Niewendyk, though.
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by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Gelanie and their first!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Glennie even
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i’ll take a first for Kabby.
Wow my expectations have been lowered.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I was talking with PPP at the game, and we’ve come to the concensus that the days of a 1st for Kaberle are long past. It’s all about a high 2nd rounder now. And that’s it.
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I’ll take it, we can get the next: Shea Weber, David Booth, Patrice Bergeron, Elias, Loui Eriksson, David Backes, Duncan Keith, Paul Martin, Mike Ribeiro, Derek Roy or Tomas Fleischmann.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I still think he brings more than that, but not much more
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And only because of his underpaying contract. Thank God for that contract.
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exactly, if he was making north of 5.5 he’d probably be hard to move for anything better than a 3rd
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I love him and respect his long service, I think we need to face the reality that one could make an argument Kaberle is no longer underpaid. If he were paid $5.5MM we might have to chip in picks to convince someone to take him for a full year.
With 20/20 hindsight, the move last offseason probably should have been to trade Kabs, not Kubina (whose contract expires this year anyway). Kaberle probably could yielded a #1 + last year, and starting next year our D would consist of Phaneuf (no reason that trade couldn’t have happened again), Beauch, Schenn, Komi, Gunnar and some combination of Aulie/Mikus/Oreskovic/cheap UFA X. With Finger on the Marlies.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if the Phaneuf deal is as much of a slam dunk as you’d think.
If Kaberle’s gone, White would have started the year as the de facto puck-moving defenceman. He would have inherited some (probably not all) of Tomas’ PP minutes, and that probably would have caused a slight uptick in his offensive numbers.
With Komi, Beauch and Schenn already in place, Kubina expiring and Gunnarsson developing, it might have made more sense to keep White.
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Maybe
All crazy hypothetical anyway. But I do think we’ve missed our “sell high” window for Kaberle.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Carter and a 1st. And yes, that’s way the hell gone now. Although that is as much a function of the shift in the market as it is a decline in Kaberle’s value. 1st rounders are insanely valuable now. You need to be getting a true stud back.
Like say, a 22 year old 30+ goal scorer.
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I don't buy it.
Crazy what a 12 game drought will do to the value of a guy who formerly lead defensemen in points, and is now stuck in the oh-so-low 7th place (boasting fewer points on the power play than everyone in front of him (save Enstrom)). And it’s madness that his game might shake when the guy is getting more questions about his future than his game. And when he’s given an entire new team to work with, asked to adjust mid season.
Second rounder? I could understand a late first, or a second and a strong prospect, but even with 1 point in the last 12, he’s holding more points than Gonchar, with the supporting cast of…uh…the Leafs.
Ditching the 1st rounder expectations, in my opinion, is a little alzheimer-esque. Kabby may never fit in with “the new leafs,” but even in this season he’s shown to be a talented player, and would be a great lock for a lot of other teams. I’d rather have this drought all in one block, than lowered point production over the whole of the season.
Is this team better with Kaberle in the line-up? I don’t think so. He’s already lost minutes to Phaneuf and Gunnarsson this year. He’s currently playing the 4th most minutes amongst the D, surely dropping to 5th next season when Komisarek returns. If you’re talking about a player who can’t be replaced in this line-up, it’s certainly not Kaberle.
Is Burke going to pay 4.5 million for a 3rd pairing defenseman, especially when there are pressing needs to get better players into the top 6 of the line-up?
A closer look shows us that Kaberle scored 17 of his 47 points (more than 1/3rd) in October, including 12 on the powerplay. Since November 1, he has 30 points over 5 months, and only 13 points on the powerplay.
Going back to his last multi-point game, which was January 5th, he has 10 points in 29 games. This isn’t just a post-olympic slump. He was well into the slump before he even left for the olympics. He’s also been a -9 during that stretch.
Kaberel was a minus 6 through the first 5 games back after the Olympic break. So if we excuse those five games, his plus/minus from Jan 5th is minus 3. Yet Kaberle was a plus 2 for the entire month of December, so you could say then that his plus/minus – with the exception of the 5 consecutive games immediately following the Olympics – is only a minus 1 since December 1st.
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
An even closer look
Games 1-10: 1G, 10A, -7
Games 11-20: 1G, 10A, +3
Games 21-30: 0G, 7A, -3
Games 31-40: 1G, 5A, +1
Games 41-50: 2G, 4A, -3
Games 51-60: 1G, 4A, even
Games 61-70: 0G, 1A, -7
Games 71-72: 0G, 0A, even
Basically if you disregard his great start and take his play from games 21 on out to be his normal pace for a season; he looks like an 8G, 35A, -10 defenseman.
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Nik Lidstrom 8 goals, 35 assists
Scott Neidermayer 8 goals, 34 assists
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nik Lidstrom/Scott Neidermayer = 7 combined Norris trophies, average age 37.5
Kaberle = 0 Norris trophies, 32 years old
Lidstrom – 7.45mil
Neidemayer – 6.45mil
Kaberle – 4.25mil
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but they are (or at least were recently) as good defensively as they were offensively
Kabby, not so much
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. I thought we were just comparing Kaberle’s offensive numbers.
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
shouldn’t we have a ruler out for that?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And if you disregard 20 games of the regular season for every defenseman? Their best 20 game streak, at that?
“If you disregard” just seems a little silly. I understand that they’re not dependable points, and that you can’t plan on poni being some 60 point defenseman, but those were points he still put on the board. 20 games is a long hot streak.
Also of note, in the first 20 games he had a 5 point game in a 6-3 win at Anaheim, and a 4 point game in a 4-5 OTL to Montreal.
Take out just those two fluke games and his numbers become.
Games 1-10: 0G, 6A, -6 (excluding game, 9)
Games 11-20: 0G, 7A, +1 (exlucind game 12)
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I could understand taking points out of a score run-up (6-3), but again, ignoring a 4 point night in a tight game doesn’t make sense.
And, for the record, I’m not saying he hasn’t been a streaky scorer this season, or that this isn’t a front-end loaded season for him. Just that, well, those points count, too, and with rarely any score run-up games on this team (contrary to, say, the Caps), I think it’s fair to say that he’s still a skilled offensive defenseman, and that’s worth something.
In that 5 point game, all 5 points were on the power play. Two of the points in the 4 point game were on the PP.
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Sorry, then, maybe I missed something. Are we looking at just kabby’s even strength point production, or his all around? Also, that only makes me sad; remember when we had a power play?
Also, thread over for me. I found out there’s a place around here that has all you can eat wings for $9 from 5 to 11pm on monday.
So. Excited.
if you’re going to take away his best games, you should take away his worst games as well. if you do that and only look at his stats for games 21-50, those 30 ‘average’ games would put him on pace for 8 goals, 44 assists, 52 pts, -12.
and how many players stats wouldn’t look worse if you removed their best 20-game period? or their 2 best ‘fluke’ games? this is a silly exercise.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
The question isn’t “is this team better,” it’s “is any team better?” I’m not making an argument to keep him, I’m making an argument that his trade value is higher than some might credit him around here. I don’t think he fits in well with this team anymore; the kids are too fast, they pass the puck reasonably well between themselves (especially that top line), and, well, they’re not Matt Stajan, Jason Blake, or Poni. But it doesn’t mean he can’t generate points somewhere, and as long as that’s the case, he has trade value.
i’m not saying he doesn’t have trade value, but you’re looking at a player who has regressed over the 2nd half of the season. You only get him guaranteed for one season at that 4.5 mill price tag, which doesn’t look as fantastic when you consider the numbers above
Yeah, I’m glad you looked into the distribution of points, because I (stupidly) assumed it was fairly even. The October-dependence is interesting, if not scary, though it still makes him ~.5 ppg defenseman for over half the season at 4.5m.
I guess it just depends on whether or not we can “Sutter someone”, especially someone who believes they can make the October Kaberle the March Kaberle. Toss in a late round pick, and I irrationally hold that you could steal a mid-to-late round first.
Veteran D making $4-4.5MM
Hainsey, Hannan, Komi, Brewer, Kaberle, Liles, Streit, Regehr, Zidlicky, Meszaros.
For those who watch more of other teams than me: compared to this group, is Kaberle overpaid? Underpaid? Fairly paid? He’s obviously the top point producer of the bunch and plays more than all but Streit and Zidlicky (though he’d be near the bottom of the bunch based on his TOI post-Phaneuf).
I’ve excluded guys on RFA contracts like Keith because they obviously get paid below market.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, looking at that list… yes, Kaberle is still a good deal. Hannan, Brewer, Komi, Regehr are all straight stay at home D. I’d take Kabby over Hainsty, Liles and Meszaros. Zidlicky and Streit are better than he is, IMHO, though.
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by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, I feel better. First rounder!!!1
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But take away the “!!1” because you’re right about this, and not just being sarcastic.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
I’d call it “skeptically hopeful” rather than sarcastic.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it’s never a bad idea to protect your heart when talking about potential trades, let alone anything else involving our team. But I think he’s a lock to get a first rounder. He nets us a 1st rounder, EASY.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
he’s still a really great piece to a team going somewhere. The value is set by the other team more so than us. I don’t know who couldn’t use him. He just can’t be a defensive stopper but on the PP or in general to improve your breakouts he’s money. He could still net us a lot if Burke finds the right time and team.
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by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That really sums up the Leafs’ dilemma. They have 6 guys making Top 3 money.
Only 6 teams other than the Leafs have 4 or more D making $3MM+. Only 2 (Vancouver and Atlanta, plus the Leafs) have 5. Only the Leafs have 6.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf
Kaberle
Beauch
Komi
Finger
??
Proud supporter of Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.
by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s including Schenn’s bonus salary.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct
Same for Bogosian in Atlanta.
For all we know Schenn will hit his bonuses. They’re a black box to the outside world.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and he may not, also teams are given a bonus relief on the cap
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not next year though unless they get a new CBA.
Either way I don’t think it changes the basic point much.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah it really doesn’t. I think it’s clear the Leafs need to move salary on the back end.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
well Finger is all but gone to the Marlies and will be used as a vet for the kiddos and emergency call up and i am still pretty convinced Burke will trade Kaberle
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
gotcha.
Proud supporter of Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.
by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 22, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's a lot of money on the blue line, but...
Imagine our defence had such depth that the 4th and 5th defenceman could handle top-line minutes depending on the style of competition they face? Imagine not relying on the same 3 players to get the job done night after night but instead being able to rotate the pressure and responsibility based on who performs the best in any given situation? Imagine an injury to a key defender doesn’t mean praying to God that Wozneiwskis, Stralmans, Oreskovics can handle playing in the NHL?
by general borschevsky on Mar 22, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a luxury any other team in the NHL has decided it is worth paying for in a salary cap world. We have no money to pay for any forwards when the time comes to compete (I know, next year it’s moot).
And Vancouver doesn’t pay any D over $3.75MM. We’ve got FOUR GUYS making more than their top paid D. Your model might make sense if you’re not paying any one (let alone 4) guys $4MM+. Sharing the load doesn’t make sense when you’re paying guys that much.
Atlanta is not a franchise I want to emulate.
Finger and one other must go. We can sign a veteran UFA for $1MM or less as a #7 D if we’re worried about depth.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Vancouver’s model is not one I’d like to follow. They seriously NEED one defenseman who is actually work $3.75MM. I’d rather have a higher priced defense core and a goalie who counts for less than $5MM on the cap.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumour in TO Star
FWIW, Paul Hunter writes that there was a rumour at the trade deadline that had Washington offering Alzner, Fleischmann and a pick for Kabby. First I’ve heard of the rumour, but if true…OMG. One would have to assume that Burke would have been all over that if true.
by Bag O' Pucks on Mar 22, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t trade one Tomas for another it’s against CBA rules
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by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard something about Alzner and a pick… we assumed that Kaberle vetoed it.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s allergic to contending teams and washington is 1st so makes sense.
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by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I love this gif
and it has nothing to do with the leafs at all, but LOLRANGERS
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 22, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
This is a pretty sweet gif, though it has nothing on the Rolston slapshot gif
Cheers, Complaints, homerism and bashing of mediocre pop musicians in 140 Characters
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 22, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that last link is heartbreaking
If you haven’t read the story yet, do yourself a favour and check it out. Remarkable that the family of the girl who died has been able to live without being angry at Knutsen. The bit about Doug MacLean’s decision to prevent his players from attending the funeral would be genuinely amusing if there weren’t a real possibility that his incredibly poor decision may have contributed to ending Knutsen’s career as a result.
Well worth the read. Thanks for the linky, Karina! Rec’d for wonderfulness.
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
yeah usually I don’t post much non-Leafs stuff, but that story was so overwhelming, I thought everyone needed to read it.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Mar 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to think MacLean’s decision was meant to protect his players from the insane media coverage (as the story says) but considering the guy’s personality it just smacks of the kind of attention-grabby look-at-me attitude he’s always exuded.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Mar 22, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s fair. MacLean didn’t want his team to go through the emotional burden of seeing a little girl buried and he decided to go on his own.
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He may not have wanted them to go through it, but the players aren’t children. They’re adults and are entitled to make their own decisions on issues like this – only they would know how to handle their own grieving process.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I’m just saying I think his intentions were honorable and not for the purpose of stroking his ego.
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever the reason, it’s brutal (you’re right though, the story does say that MacLean was hoping to “protect” his players from the media). I just don’t see how that’s wrapped up in them actually going to the funeral; if the players wanted to go – and I assume from the story that they did – no way should he have prevented them from doing so. If he wants to protect the players from the media, there are ways to arrange that too. But don’t prevent the guys from going entirely.
That’s just an obviously bad choice, in my view.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Also interesting in this article is the implicit suggestion that it was the media shitstorm that really compounded the suffering of a grieving family. Something to think about the next time you’re watching the eleventh hour of CNN coverage of some disaster during which all they do is stick microphones in the faces of victims’ relatives.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
does anyone else find it odd that at the top of the "Four Habs Fans’ webpage it show what appears to be 4 penis heads wearing habs jerseys……..?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
odd? not really. Different? yes.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 22, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess it makes sense….
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Mar 22, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Im enjoying watching these Leafs so much that these 2 day breaks feel so long.
I have no idea how Im going to wait 6 months….
Well they don`t have the best pitcher in the world anymore so probably bad but TONS of rookie pitchers and so great looking prospects coming soonish so:
DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!1
yay leafs 2.0
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So pretty much the Leafs then =P
I want to be happy as a Toronto sports fan again. Ill watch the Jays, go to a couple games, but I hate how restrictive the MLB playoffs are. Its practically impossible for the Jays to get in when were in a division with New York and Boston. We need a dream team just to qualify.
Jays just simply can’t win because of NY/Bos
Argos can’t win because .ummm.. they pay to much on their stadium lease?
TFC is just ugh
Raptors are forever softies
Leafs are going to be awesome next year lol
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so. I just can’t get my expectations high. Thats happened too many times since the lockout.
I just want Leafs Playoff hockey again.
Though I’d rather not get into the playoffs then get steamrolled in the first round a-la-Montreal.
I felt confident in the mid years of the pat quinn era. I clearly remember 1989-1992 and how little hope I had. I remember the 10 game winning streak to start 1993 I wasn’t really sure how to react. The nick beverly/Mike Murphy eras I remember losing all hope again as Fletcher went bat nuts and started making weird trades. I remember hating Quinn at first cuz he gave away Jason Smith and Sullivan for nothing and I still had no hope. I got hope back for the mid years of Quinn and since then it’s been nothing but despair. But I really do honestly feel some serious positive energy from this team.
1. Kulemin is so good, you guys don’t even know (of course you do) but he is a beast and will get even better and will score 30’s each year just watch him.
2. Kessel is a talent that’s rare and he’s got balls (no pun intended) and grit and he might have moments of coastyness but he generally gets in there and tries.
3. The kids are all looking ok after that. Schenn is looking much more confident and he is a smart good kid he’ll be great.Bozak looks like a cocky dynamo. He could turn out to be a great dangler. Phaneuf is also rare.
4. Our D is stacked
5. Our forwards are hyper gritty and fast
6. We have Brian Burke leading the ship and Peddie hasn’t been heard from in what seems like forever.
good things ahead boys and girls
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets hope we don’t hear from Peddie until Burke has taken us through our golden years of 5 straight cups. If Burke doesn’t follow through then we’ll never hear from Peddie again.
I hope burke punches him in a moment of truculence
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
TFC is still young and we have Phaneuf. I`ll say it again. Never dreamed in my wildest dreams that Phaneuf would be a Leaf much less a potential captain.
I still get confused about how that happened. Where is someone to compare our record after this trade to the one after the Gilmour trade?
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
I’ll do it
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
20-18-2
So yeah, doing behind in this trade than the last one in the current year. This must mean an improvement on the 92-83 season.
STANLEY!!!1
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
9-6-1 since phaneuf.
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
and so are the flames coincidentally
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Glenn Anderson led the team in scoring with 57 points with a defenseman, Ellett, second with 51.
Kessel and Kaberle are on pace for 58 and 52 respectively.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
Matt Stajan is Gary Leeman. Ian White is Michel Petit, Jamal Mayers is Craig Berube and Nik Hagman is Alex Godynyuk . Toskala is Rick Walmsley (Sorry rick). It all makes sense now!
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
shoe storm is dougie?
Who wants to go to the Olive Garden?
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 22, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf is Macoun, Shoestring is dougie. Lundmark is Manderville
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Low stick
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the awesome Leafs club had me rollin even more
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“that’s twice that ponikarovsky fell on his own, there must be something wrong with his skate” – Versus Announcer in the Wings/Pens game
lol something wrong with his skates. Wonder what he’d think of Jason Allison. “Jim this guy must have a broken back here… This guy is a warrior!”
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
TSN Just Cock-Teased Me
With their photo of Kulemin. It came up before the headline and I was already going “5 years, 15 milllliooooon”.
Columbus: It's amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.
Or the Leafs season: either one works
lol don’t worry we’ll lock him up. You have to be a blind monkey not to see that dude’s skill
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Mar 22, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Same thing happened to me!
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 22, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=11685
CHL ranks Kadri as second best in league behind Hall
I like how TSN`s 4 overall pick for the draft has only played 12 games this year…
I kind of lean towards TSN’s rankings, just because some of the guys there are getting feedback from GMs
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 23, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
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