Farewell *rustles through papers* Leon Stempniak. Lee. Sorry.
by Chemmy on Mar 3, 2010 3:14 PM EST
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Lee Stempniak has been traded to Phoenix for a couple of late round draft picks. We've successfully converted two first round picks in Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiacovo into a 4th and a 7th rounder. Really it's no wonder why Toronto never wins games.
Lee Stempniak is a victim of his sophomore campaign that saw his shooting percentage clear 14 as he potted 27 goals on a promising young St. Louis Blues squad. Since that season Stempniak's shooting percentage has been a steady eight point oh and people have called him a failure.
Stempniak wasn't as invisible as everyone would like to claim he was; he was a steady two way player for Toronto that rarely did anything completely retarded. Might as well move him for anything but you have to think that the Steen / Carlo trade looks terrible eighteen months later.
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Humph.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions
I like Stempniak but what am I going to say? “His minus ten and inclusion on the league’s worst ever power play unit make up for his lack of goal scoring”.
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by Chemmy on Mar 3, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m going to miss the gimmick more than the player. Give me a while and I’ll be ok
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Yeah, I’ll definitely miss Poni a lot more
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Ask Lee Stempniak was probably the most popular and fun to write series I’ve ever done. It’s also the longest lasting “show” I’ve ever given a player, but like all the others, he is traded/gone.
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Ask Lee Stempniak make Sergei happy.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 3, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
interesting.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I like it because we get another pick for pretty much nothing.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
For realsies?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
What’s with them and taking our crappy goalies?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Mac is an upgrade on toskala and pogge, not saying much
he still has to clear waivers too me thinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
well, they traded two of them away today, so clearly they needed to refill their quota…
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1 of them to Sutter’s Flames. Comedic gold
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
seriously funny, couldn’t have made this up myself…
Sutter is hilarious!!
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If I were Flames fan I would go ape. But then again I did survive throughout the JFJ-era.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Funny
In the press Conference Burke said he wasn’t going very far away. Despite going to the city furthest from Toronto on the map.
So maybe he was trying to move Zezel close to Toronto back in the day.
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Actually...
It’s because Anaheim doesn’t have an AHL affiliate, so their players play wherever. So Mac stays with the Marlies.
by leafsfan4life94 on Mar 3, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
another pick is good. So does that mean Mac stays on the Marlies due to anaheim not having a farm team?
Nope, they traded him to Carolina
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
But they gave us a conditioal draft for him didn’t they? just because they traded him doesn’t mean they don’t owe us that pick
It was conditional on how many games he plays
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we do
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
That’s dependent on games.
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
c’mon, someone cut Cam Ward again.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine he backs up Hillier.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think he backs up Hiller and Machilenny goes to the A
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Burke’s gonna be honing on the Waiver wire methinks
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
the trade does not look terrible
The Blues have been trying to trade Coalaicovo for weeks and couldn’t get ANYTHING for him.
Steen’s contributions have been a wash, at best.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions
2001 1st #17
2002 1st #24
are now
2010 4th
2010 7th
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sure. But those 2001 and 2002 picks have names, the 2010 picks don’t.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
That’s more of an indictment of our drafting/player development than the trade itself.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
so you agree that we’ve successfully turned potential into “worse potential”
I’m glad we agree
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We bought some lottery tickets with money we were going to give away anyway.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
That post is 75% inaccurate.
The blues were trying to move Coalaicovo, yes, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been servicable in his time in St. Louis – he’s actually been pretty solid for the most part. It’s just that he’s an UFA after this season, and since we have a few blueline prospects due to crack the big club next season (Pietrangelo, Ian Cole, for example), he doesn’t seem to have a long-term place in our plans. That said, there’s still a chance the Blues re-sign him this summer.
As for Steen, while it might speak more to how we’ve underachieved this year, there have been stretches of games where he’s indisputably been our best forward period. He’s usually apart of our most consistant shutdown line in years with Jay McClement and B.J. Crombeen, and when he’s been bumped up to the 2nd-3rd line, he’s played like he belongs there most of the time. He’s even played on the point on the power play from time to time and looked like he belonged.
While Blues fans really liked Stempniak, it’s clear the Blues pwned the Leafs in this deal.
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by J-Mill on Mar 4, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
These picks might turn into something guys, you never know… Keep in mind that our very own Tomas Kaberle was an 8th rounder…
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Too many threads. I’m going to make a sandwich.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Now, Stemp
At least it’s something for a guy that was leaving but yeah, 0-20-0 to end the year
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I don't get this
aren’t we better after the Giguere/Phaneuf trades?
Why would losing Poni and Stempniak make that big of a difference?
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
2-8-2 in last 12
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
So there’s 2 wins in the last 12… which equates to no wins in the last 20???
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Because we’re straight up losing bodies for nothing and getting worse in the short term.
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that was the plan all along, though.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think the plan was to get at least one 1st or 2nd round pick this year. Didn’t happen.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
sure that’s fine, but having those picks doesn’t effect how many games we win/lose for the rest of the year.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
NOBODY is giving up 1st round picks
They just don’t seem to get traded anymore. 2nd round picks are more of an enigma.
I think there was a trade for some Kessel guy that saw some first rounders move.
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Well who ever made that deal, now must feel like they have egg on their face.
Wait a minute…
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather stock up on prospects, the marlies need an overhaul
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
The Marlies are probably going to have 10 new players next year
Resident Capologist
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They should, throw out all the career AHLer’s
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t show up on the Marlies.com Roster.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ling
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We were a bad team.
Then we traded away a lot of players and got 7th rounders for them which makes us a worse team.
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a lot?
I count two.
Neither of whom were anywhere near capable of winning games by themselves.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Like who?
Tim Brent?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Can you all take a deep breath and explain how anything you’re posting in any way approaches my point of “we’re going to lose every game for the rest of the year”?
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yea, I don’t see any way to refute that.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 3, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I understand why we made the moves.
We should have made the moves because that’s the only thing that makes sense.
We’re still a worse team on the ice today than we were yesterday.
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I agree, in hindsight that may have sounded sarcastic.
We’re probably worse than we were yesterday.
Unless Poni and Ninja were beating the shit out of the rest of the team in the locker room before each game.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 3, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well, no, it’s just… we lost 5-1 to carolina last night. When weren’t we going to lose every game for the rest of this year? The short term damage is very short term, and isn’t particularly significant in the grand scheme of the rebuild.
Well the record for winless streak is 17 games by the Sharks in their second year. I am not convinced that this team is record-breakingly bad. I watched that Sharks team, and I don’t think we’re that bad. Bad, but not historically bad.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Mar 3, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
We have historically bad goaltending which is probably even worse if adjusted for league averages.
We have a historically bad penalty kill.
We don’t have anyone at all who can score.
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Losing twenty games in a row has never happened.
Not by any expansion team.
Not by the Jets.
Is this the worst team that the NHL has ever seen?
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by My Poor Friend Me on Mar 3, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Almost
Realistically, 5-15-0 is more likely.
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
No overtime loss?
You sure? That’s one of the few things we’re good at!
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Well
10 pts. Any combo
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m willing to put down cash that says we finish under 59.5 pts.
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Sweet. At this point we need to win out to drop to 3rd in the draft lottery.
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COME ON.
We have enough people coming on here posting idiotic CRAP without you setting the example like this.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
Good point. However, Chemmy’s also using facts to back up that sad feeling.
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
what facts
state we’ll lose EVERY GAME for the rest of the year?
We suck more today than yesterday, yes. Losing 20 games in a row? Extremely unlikely.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
We have two wins in our last twelve, traded away our top scorer and lost 5-1 to Carolina last night.
Better post something happy in direct opposition to all of the evidence so I don’t upset anyone.
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We still have heart? Except maybe Gustavsson…
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Don’t tell that joke around Pilar or Vorobiev.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
we suck
and we suck more than yesterday.
We still won’t lose 20 games in a row.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
WE TRADED AWAY KESSEL?!?!?!?!?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
haha they’re tied in points
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but
if you factor in games played… :P
i know what you’re getting at, just yanking your chain.
5-15, 0-20, 15-2-3, 7-7-6
whatever it is, we got more picks. in the long run this should help organizational depth.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. We made the right moves today.
Doesn’t mean I want to watch the Leafs play now.
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On the bright side...
You don’t have to worry about that annoying “Leafs make a needless push right after they get eliminated” thing they always do.
Willing to trade humour for cash, straight up.
by Archimedies on Mar 3, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Better post something happy
Beer still exists.
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Nor is Steve Tambellini.
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But we are the fans who can drink it and feel better.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Over value much?
Maybe those players that were 1st rounders were over valued and their true value is a 4th and an 7th round pick? Maybe 2001 1st #17 + 2002 1st #24 = 2010 4th (#100+) + 2010 7th(#200+).
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Something wierd shows up on my screen
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Its screwed up… basically I was implying that both the Leafs 2001 17th pick over all and 2002 24th pick overall were players that one might say are really players that are equivalent to a low 4th rounder and 7th rounder…just mocking.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
which makes little sense for a team that has no first round pick
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Sens_Suck
You know, as a Leafs fan who wants the Leafs to win the cup, not to mention make the playoffs, i feel disappointed about the trades we made.
He thinks the Leafs are winning the Cup this year. For reals.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
maybe the Leafs will win a cup in beer pong this year. maybe
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I hear the Coyotes are way ahead of them.
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
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I dunno the coyotes might actually make the playoffs this year
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Yea, but did you see the story on the Yotes that they played Beer pong against some local college kids?
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
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Beer pong is a required course to graduate from Arizona State.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Mar 3, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Who’s his dealer?
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Sutter.
The Luck of the Irish Leaf: Because when the Irish are short on luck, at least there's tons of booze.
He doesn’t give up until the last game… even when the team is mathematically eliminated. I don’t think he knows how to do math.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
love this
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
weird
@sbnation Fredrik Modin has been traded to Vancouver.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
Yea LA, as per TSN
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 3, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
yup
SBN messed up.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a joke but gag trades should likely be tagged as such on deadline day
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Sutter is on a run of crazy
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
For the future make it something like
Darryl Sutter trades Jay Bowmeester to VAN for Kyle Welwood, Andrew Raycroft, and a dime bag.
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cussing Althouse.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 3, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Big trades coming in now, something with the Sens too.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
This one confuses the hell out of me.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Nm, it clears $5.6M off of Edmonton’s cap for next year as Whitney is a pending UFA.
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Huge Huge
That’s a lot of dough for Tambellini to blow
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
$1.6M saved for Edmonton
Ryan Whitney, not Ray. Clicked on the wrong guy.
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Oh
NICE WORK!
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
THANKS!!!
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Well Heatley’s biggest problem with going there was his well-founded fear of icy roads.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
fuck me
wrong whitney. nm
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Pleeeeeeeeeease Sens acquire Redden for future consideration???
Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Bryan Murray is apparently about to have a press conference
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Big deal, he’s holding a press conference to say why he didn’t do anything other than Cullen.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
/Rubs eyes, rolls out of bed
YAWN!
Did I miss anything exciting today?
Willing to trade humour for cash, straight up.
TURN ON YOUR TV NOW!
Burke on tsn talking about the stuff he did.
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he just said that Tomas gave him a “couple” of teams that he would waive his clause to be traded to. And that he normally only expects a list of a minimum of 10 teams, but since Kabby is a special player, that he considered looking at the possibilities but that nothing came of it…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
Damnit stuck in class!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
In class
If he says something awesome, please update!
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He thanked Poni for his play, and Stemp “for the same.” Rehashed what we already know. Reporters asking about Kabby, go figure.
Poni
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by PPP on Mar 3, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
They turned down a 2nd and a 4th (from another team) to take the Caputi and Skoula (now Jersey’s 5th) deal. Good choice, imo.
lol, he was asked who the other team was, and he said it was “another team”
Burke is awesome…
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Caputi’s clearly better than Pittsburgh’s second rounder. Any deadline deal pick is going to be bottom 15 in the round.
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Burke says “My inclination is to do nothing with the defense. Someone’s going to have to blow me out of the water to get me to move [one of my defensemen].” And they’re willing to talk extension with Kabby, “when the time comes.”
Don’t hurt to ask how much he wants.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to go nuclear if Kaberle wants more than he’s currently making.
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Really?
I’m sure he can make $5-6M in the open market.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
but the leafs can’t afford that… not with our other blue liners…
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Then trade him @ the draft. Easy peasy lemon sqeezey
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
yes really
he clearly wants to stay in Toronto very badly.
He should prove it with his extension.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
this situation seems very familiar...
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TIME WARP
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I WANT TO STAY IN TORONTO I’LL NEVER WAIVE
HEY I’M A UFA SEE YOU LATER
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you can see the future.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
THEN HE SHOULD GO TO THE FUCKING OPEN MARKET AFTER HE WAIVES HIS GOD DAMNED NO TRADE CLAUSE SHOULDN’T HE
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by Chemmy on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ur cap r on, btw.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
that’s actually really interesting of him to say… most of us just assume that Kabby is done with the leafs come draft day, but who knows… really…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
True, but I still think he tries to trade Kabby then… even without him, our D is fine, but our forwards for the most part are atrocious. Kabby provides the best chance to quickly improve that and I’m sure Burke knows this.
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He just confirmed that he got a list from Kabby… 3 teams
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Nephew of former New Jersey Devils standout Mike Peluso… Mike Peluso was New Jersey’s 10th selection, and was the 190th player taken overall in the 1984 NHL Entry Draft; played 192 games for the Devils from 1993-97, scoring 9-35=44 points
I liked that line – apparently 192 games and 44 points means the guy was a ‘standout’. huh.
Peluso
32P in 110 GP (.291 PPG) in the USHL
36P in 121GP (.298 PPG) in the NCAA
At least he’s consistent……ly bad.
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At 5’10" Peluso will bring the physical edge uhhh goal scoring… fuck.
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According to hockeydb.com
Dude is 5’11", 180, 24 yrs old and has no offensive abilities whatsoever. Former 7th round pick. What the hell? Keep the 6th.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
This trade baffles me.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
He’s also studying nursing
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Hockeys Future:
History
Yet another player picked directly out of high school and another offensive minded player, Chris Peluso is the nephew of former NHL enforcer Mike Peluso. The Penguins scouting staff has been aware of Peluso for nearly a decade, as he was around the arena in previous years when they first started to scout at Brainerd.
2007-08: Peluso in his sophomore season helped the Bemidji State Beavers to the CHA Finals where they lost 3-2 against their arch-rivals, the Niagra Purple Eagles.
Talent Analysis
Peluso is a puck moving defenseman who can create both of his own rushes and from making a long outlet pass to break out the forwards quickly.
He’s undersized right now for a defenseman, which isn’t necessarily a problem for the type of game played by Peluso, but it certainly wouldn’t help him make it to the NHL. However, the Penguins think he isn’t done growing yet, hoping the size in his family was passed down to him
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
And he most have had some seasoning before college because he was born in 1986. Dude is not growing any more.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Summary
Chris Peluso:
Defense
5’10
190 lbs
24 years old
4 years at Bemidji State
124 games
ONE goal
35 assists
Wade Belak’s replacement?
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
No one can replace Belak’s role in “Wade a Minute” NO ONE!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt he would have TV segments that are nearly as fun as “wade a minute”
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Wade a Minute was good times.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
What a joke
If offense is supposed to be this guy’s strong suit he’s in big trouble. Based on stats I figured he had to be a shutdown defender. Apparently not… Just baffling.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
Can you do anything but laugh? If you get stressed out about these things you’ll be near suicidal come June when the Bruins draft Hall/Seguin
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Not stressed
Just baffled. I mean, why bother? I’m perplexed.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not you in particular just Leafs fans in general.
A Nation of Masochists Waiting is the hardest part.
Let’s just hope we’re out of the lottery next year
A Nation of Masochists Waiting is the hardest part.
Oh god
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
How deep is next year’s draft supposed to be?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
We don’t have a first so it’ll be the deepest ever.
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Yeah magically this year’s draft is gonna be epic, you know once we traded our 1st.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
This I'm stressing about
Our lineup next year looks like this so far (making some reasonable RFA assumptions:
PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT
FORWARDS
Phil Kessel — $5,400,000
Tyler Bozak ($2,850,000) $3,725,000
Mikhail Grabovski — $2,900,000
- Nikolai Kulemin — $1,487,000
- Christian Hanson — $1,100,000
Colton Orr — $1,000,000
Viktor Stalberg ($65,000) $850,000
Luca Caputi ($265,000) $833,333
Fredrik Sjostrom — $750,000 - John Mitchell — $550,000
Jay Rosehill — $512,500
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf — $6,500,000
Mike Komisarek — $4,500,000
Tomas Kaberle — $4,250,000
Francois Beauchemin — $3,800,000
Jeff Finger — $3,500,000
Luke Schenn ($2,100,000) $2,975,000
Carl Gunnarsson ($170,000) $800,000
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere — $6,000,000 - Jonas Gustavsson — $2,000,000
BUYOUTS
Darcy Tucker — $1,000,000
LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS
NONE
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 20
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $54,432,833
BONUSES $5,450,000
CAP SPACE $6,627,167
In other words we have one established offensive talent (two if you include Grabs) and negligible cap space (we can’t use space tied up with bonuses next year).
Burke is going to have to work some magic by July 1.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Finger won’t be on the team next year. One way or another he’s gone.
You’re missing at least 2 forwards as well.
I know I'm missing two forwards
And we don’t have cap space to sign anyone good.
I’m less confident re. Finger than everyone else. I don’t trust this organization to eat dollars. And (Toskala/Blake trade notwithstanding) I have trouble believing we can deal him.
I know (hope) the roster will wind up looking nothing like this by next year. But this is some real chicken shit we’re hoping Burke can turn into chicken salad.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
This season atleast but who the fuck knows for next
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 3, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
i think next year might be as bad as this, i feel like burke is making a run at 2011-2012.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
i dont even want to think about giving up another potential 1st overall next year as well…..
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
As good as Kessel is
there’s no way in HELL he’s worth two first overalls.
Pumps out more male with one thrust of the pelvis than the United States postal service over the last 146 years.
firsts overall?
weren’t they two first round toronto picks?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Where you pick is based on where you finish
You finish last you pick first. So yeah the 2 picks you gave up will mean Boston your Division rival probably picks the 2 best players for the next 2 years.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
So, I guess we should just forfeit all 82 games next year since the Leafs will obviously be last, right?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 3, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You should atleast try....
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
no
last 5 teams are entered into the draft lottery, with the worst team having the highest chance of winning the lottery.
no guarantee though
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
oh duh
That is correct. Edmonton is gonna finish last anyway. Looking towards next year though, which teams are gonna freefall past the leafs in the standings though.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
we’re only 5 points ahead and we just traded away our 2nd and 3rd goal scoring leaders, our 3rd and 4th in points. Poni also had the team’s best +/- (ok so it’s only +5 but him and Gunnarsson are the only positives for the team).
The Oilers are tanking though too
This year I still think the oilers are gonna be the worst but next year im worried about you guys, not sure how well your going to stand up to a second season of this.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
We're Leaf fans
we will take it up the ass, complain, then turn the TV on again.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 4, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
But...
that’s my point. Until the pick is fact a 1st overall you really cant make your argument for this year or next. You can argue a 1st rounder (2 in this case) and most wont add up to a single Kessel
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I flip flop internally on this:
The picks are gone and it doesn’t matter where they are. If we made the playoffs twice and gave up the 16th pick two years in a row or if we stunk it up and gave up thr 1st pick two years in a row it doesn’t matter. It makes Boston better but if we anti-tanked somehow we’d just make other teams better. We’re not drafting and those players are going somewhere that’s not here. If they go to Edmonton instead of Boston they’ll never be Leafs either way.
On the other hand giving up two #20s feels a lot better than two #1s but we didn’t know we’d stink this bad (I thought this year would be better than last year and so did almost everyone else). What happens if we leave this deal on the table and then make the playoffs and say “Shit we could have Phil Kessel for #20 this year and our first next year. Doh.”
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If you were offering
The leafs draft pick for a player today who could you have gotten? Maybe a player you needed, maybe some lower firsts, maybe schenns brother. The picks have a ton of potential value now that they are this high.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
True...
But I think the idea is that at the time the deal was made the general consensus was that the picks would not hold that much value.
Turns out the prognosticators were wrong but they’ve been wrong before and they’ll be wrong again.
Water under the bridge at this point.
Being a fan is as wonderful as it is irrational. Or vice-versa.
What scares me is we have one established talent up front. The rest are just hopes for the future.
On D, Kabs has only one year left. The other 4 highest paid D all have underperformed their contracts this year, ranging from “do you wear a mask and carry a gun when you pick up your paycheque?” (Finger) to “You’d better shape up next year or we’re screwed” (Phaneuf, Komi) to mildly disappointing (Beauch).
At least we didn’t trade our 1st rd picks for the worst two years the team has had since the 80s. Oh wait…
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
everything that could go wrong this year, went wrong
the likelihood of that happening AGAIN next year is low
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
We didn’t lose a ton of games because we were unlucky. We lost a ton of games because our bad players were poorly coached and let down by bad goaltending.
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What insane is how well Ron Wilson coached the USA team. What message is he delivering that’s not getting through to the Leafs?
Are they too bad to play his system?
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Is it literally a case of enormous goaltending covering up a lot of mistakes?
Has Buffalo’s D always been pretty crummy?
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I am not saying we lost becasue we were unlucky.
We lost because the free agent signings went bust – Beauchemin’s trouble adjusting, Komisarek’s injuries. Every move Burke made, nothing panned out. That won’t happen again.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Komisarek could still have injury trouble. Beauchemin could still be a non factor.
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Yes but Burke can make other moves, and the likelihood of them failling too is low.
Who pissed in your beer?
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
What moves can he make? Doubt anyone is interested in our defense’s bloated salary.
I’d ask who pissed in your beer. I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to look at the facts surrounded this team’s assets and salary cap situation and not be impressed.
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You don’t have to be impressed.
You also don’t have to be a huge pessimist.
Your negativity wears on me.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I’ll be happy so that you don’t get upset.
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yeah, 'cause that's what I'm saying
write your own friggin’ FTBs.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
i just can’t believe that edmonton could unload staios, grebshkov, and lubo. those are BIG salaries.
finger’s not THAT much worse than staios is he?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
yeah he is! plus staios’s contract is only 2.2 mil.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 3, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs did last night
The last two games the opposition shorthanded has outscored us over the entire frickin game, 3-2. That, my friends, is a massive dump in our collective beers.
I’ll feel better if we win a few.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Its 3-1 actually. Ugh.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 3, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel’s a player on par with what Hall can be I think.
It’s going to be that second pick…
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yup
When he made the deal I guarantee Burke thought we were a playoff team next year.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
If we can even pick 10th next year we have a good shot at this being ok.
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i hate trying to justify that kessel trade…. especially after his performance at the olympics…. i barley noticed him and i watched every USA game except for one.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Patrick Kane scored two goals. Kessel scored one. Not worried.
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tru…. he just seems really soft to me…. must be patient i guess.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
He is soft. He’s a goal scorer.
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What’s the cap penalty again? Having the cap deducted by the same amount the following year?
I can’t imagine many teams aren’t going to be struggling against the cap this coming year with the CBA expiring and it affecting bonuses.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
If I understand it usually there’s a cushion where you can go over the cap with bonuses; if the bonuses are achieved, you deduct from your cap the next year.
Next year is the last year of the CBA. Since there’s no further “next year” to deduct bonus overage from, you must be below the cap INCLUDING bonuses, regardless of whether they are achieved or not.
Bottom line: we currently have no cap space (since the little space we have will go to filling the last few roster spots with low salary guys).
I hope I got this right, PPP or Chemmy pointed it out to me a couple months ago.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
on the other hand maybe we’ll dump the salary cap in the next CBA
sigh
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That sounds right to me
From what I understand of it, at least.
I guess I’m wondering what has to give. I see so many teams with either cap issues, or internal caps set. The market in general just seems very… unstable, with regards to player salaries, it’s almost deflationary in a way.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
This is my only hope. If we trade Kabs and dump Finger, we’ve got both cap space and cash and can pick up a real building block from another team lacking one or both.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not Truculent
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it is
he can help out people like Van Ryn when they’re injured.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
he can only make Van Ryn more comfortable, not cure him
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Like Wallin is to Gustavsson
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Thank god for smart phones or I would have missed puluso!
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I hate you and your Blackberry/iPhone/Android/whatever.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
My iPhones feelings are hurt
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 3, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
There’s an app for that
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
After putting it that way [ Stemp vs. Steen/Coliacavo], anyone else feel like we’re going in circles with all these trades??
At what point do you stop refining; rebuilding and finally work with what you have?
Well those were before Burke, he is working with what he inherited.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
z
Burke says Poni wanted a 4-year extension, Burke wasn’t interested in signing that long.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Burke RULES!!
Reporter: Do you think Caputi will thrive in this market?
Burke: No we think hes going to struggle horribly in it
haha
@RealKyper NHL trade. EDM Staois to Calgary for Aaron Johnson & 3rd
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
Edmonton trading with Calgary? Up is down, black is white, dogs living with cats, mass hysteria…
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
It’s Sutter.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Darryl’s finally lost his shit.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
True Say
… and the Leafs are at the bottom of the Standings…
At what point do you stop refining; rebuilding and finally work with what you have?
I laugh
because one of the only pending UFAs to NOT get moved was the one who asked for a trade.
Poor Useless XLB
Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I feel like I’m missing something here. Wasn’t it Burke that asked him to start looking for trades, not the other way around?
He wanted out, Burke said to his agent to look for trades.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
no
he asked Burke for a trade. Then his agent was given permission to try to find a trade himself.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
XLB should start looking for decent beer leagues to play in for next season.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Or worse Atlanta.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sunk Costs
You can’t evaluate the Stempniak trade based on what you paid for Stempniak. It’s sunk costs. The question is, did we get enough for the asset we possessed? I still think it’s a little low, but it’s better than nothing.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
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That’s today’s mantra: it’s better than nothing.
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Did anyone watch the video of Leaf staff sitting in a boardroom trying to look busy?
The questions for Ulmer that ran on the ticker were some of the funniest things I have ever had the pleasure of reading.Seems there are some fans out there who thought the Leafs might be landing Nash and/or Cammelleri today.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I try to look at those fans as the insane younger sibling that you can’t help but love.
I fail at it, but I still try.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
We’re a team with all of its money committed to defense and goaltending that gives up the most goals in the league.
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That sums it all up. We probably spend the most in the league on D/G and have the worst results. And Burke said the team was built from the back-end out. I’m starting to seriously doubt him.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s been true for three or four straight years. But more importantly, are you surprised Burkie didn’t package Exelby, Van Ryn, Gunarsson and a 5th and a 6th for the Sendins?
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10:56 [Comment From ToddTodd: ]
I don’t really get how you rebuild a team by getting rid of all your top points players. Bring back JFJ
11:14 [Comment From B-dawgB-dawg: ]
Hey mike, great to see you’re on all day. Here’s my question. DO the leafs have a HINT of a chance of getting brayden schenn for luke? if not, will they trade Luke? The reason I’m asking is because Burke drafted the sedin twins, so i was wondering if he liked the idea of having brothers.
lol
His name is Jonathan Jonathan.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
all of them are like that
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 3, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
probably just how it copies out or something.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Liking brothers?
that was actually one of the better slashfics I’ve read. Pretty raunchy, though
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I don’t think i’ve ever been less excited about the remainder of an NHL season before. Is it baseball time yet?
srsly
i <3 romero
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Jays vs. Tigers today I think.
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 3, 2010 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clearly I shouldn't be a Leafs fan
I’m gonna go jump off the Lion’s Gate bridge so I don’t have to deal with all this crap.
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by Karina on Mar 3, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions
but who will post the FTB?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 3, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
it's mine!
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, we’re all just cranky because as much as we knew it was far-fetched, I think we all secretly held out some small hope of a miracle Kaberle trade which (predictably) did not happen. And now we’re sitting here looking at our team and knowing this is what we have until the offseason. And it’s a little depressing.
Plus our beloved team has played two of their worst games of the season in a row and we can look forward to another 18 months of the media reminding us we have no first round picks.
Keep up the good work, we appreciate it. I’m saving a lot on therapy bills by coming here instead to commisserate.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m wit cha bro.
Proud supporter of Leafs/Flames trades since 1991.
by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
This is going to be a very interesting off-season for the Leafs. Burke said the team is set in goal and on D. Lots of vacancies up front and not a lot of UFA talent out there.
I don’t have big expectations for this team next year, but I am very intrigued to see how Burke handles things.
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Am I the only one happy about today's trades?
I mean other than Kaberle not waiving so we could get Nash + 3 1st round picks, the only reason people are mad is because expectations were wayyyyyyyyyyy too high. Poni for ANY 1st was never going to happen.
Free picks for pending UFAs, youth movement in the Leafs, asking for patience from a fanbase…. these are all things I thought we wanted going forward? Am I missing something?
Yes we will be bad this year, and probably next – but so was PIT, CHI, etc. for years. The missing draft picks suck, but doomsday – no.
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Poni deal was good. Aside from that we got a bunch of really late picks and didn’t move out Exelby.
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Stalberg Bozak Kessel
Caputi Grabovski Hanson
sjostrom Mitchell Kulemin
Orr Primeau Lundmark
Wallin
Phaneuf Beauchemin
Schenn Kaberle
Gunnarsson Exelby
Finger
Giguere
Gustavsson
This is depressing for the rest of this tear (and next?)
haha
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Expect one of Kaberle or Finger gone during the offseason.
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Grabovski isn’t back yet.
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Toronto also got D Matt Jones from Phoenix in Stempniak deal
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
who the fuck is Matt Jones?
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…must be related to Tim Brent.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
This guy
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=62916
He’s played in the AHL for the last two years and sucks. And he’s an UFA come July 1st.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
so, not this guy??
Fuck!!
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
Combined with Peluso, apparently Burke is stockpiling D-men with no offensive capabilities (or NHL prospects, really) whatsoever
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
His strategy is so sneaky, not even HE knows the point of those trades.
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then why give up a 6th for Peluso?
Never mind having to take back Matt Jones in the Stemp deal, I’m ok with that, but why trade a 6th for Peluso? I don’t understand…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
Burke is taking on expiring contracts and picks to get rid of the trash.
I don’t know why everyone’s pissing and moaning about the returns Burke is getting. Did you see the game the Leafs played last night? There isn’t much value in a team that has been mismanaged in one fashion or another for the better part of the last 5 years.
There’s not a single player on the Leafs that Burke wants to trade, who is worth all that much, including Kaberle. Burke is trying to set the market and drive up interest for Kabby and others in the hopes of a bidding war, because the fair market value for anybody not named Kessel, Schenn, Bozak etc. is jack-squat.
Tough pill to swallow, but that’s the truth. I say this as a huge Leafs fan, just not one high on most of the guys wearing the uni currently. Kaberle will never net a first round pick again. First round picks are too valuable for most teams in the cap era (and I realize that statement opens up a whole “Kessel’s not worth it” discussion, but whatever. I think he is…)
anyhoo, just my two cents. Not meant to be negative so much as level setting. I don’t think many folks here would find this to be shocking.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
i’m not so negative about the trades themselves, i’m just saying there is very little to be excited for in terms of watching this team this season and possibly next.
I know it wasn’t fun before, but it’s even less fun now.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Let’s just hope the kids show some promise and competitive drive. We won’t win much the rest of this season but if we see something from Bozak, Stalberg, Hanson, Caputi and so on, it will provide hope for the future. Then we’ll see what happens in the offseason.
It may not be much, but it’s the best we got.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
My concern is that other than Toskala/Blake for Giguere, I can’t point to a single person Burke has acquired that I can confidently put in the “good move” column. Phaneuf trade? Maybe. But only if he regains previous form. If status quo prevails, that’s a disastrous contract. Komi/Beauch signings? Only if they play a lot better than they have. Kessel trade? Only if the Bruins whiff on what are likely to be two top-5 picks. Stralman trade? Not a big deal but he was probably better value than Primeau this year. Gustavsson? Bozak? Hanson? I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but these were no-brainers made possible by our lack of depth.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak
had his choice of over 20 different teams.
Gustavsson was highly sought after by multiple clubs as well.
As far as the “good move” you’re looking for, did you miss the part where I said the players available aren’t that good? It’s no wonder he hasn’t been able to move much, a bigger wonder he’s done as much as he has.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
And we won them in part because they had a chance to compete for a job right away. That’s not Burke’s fault, it just tempers the credit I give him.
I guess it’s the Komi/Beauch signings I keep coming back to. It looks very much like he overpaid and that made our cap situation worse. The rest I’ll agree is just deckchairs on the Titanic.
And I’m terrified of Phaneuf’s contract. That deal could prove a steal or a disaster. As a Leafs fan I’m conditioned to expect the latter.
by The '67 Sound on Mar 3, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
everyone is conditioned to the latter, which makes days like this hard for Leafs fans.
I understand the frustration, on both sides, but to me, the long and short is that there are very few good NHL caliber players on the Leafs that Burke wants to part with. There are even fewer promising prospects.
That said, in just over 12 months time, he’s done a far more impressive job than the previous GMs. He’s got 4 years and a few months to go. I imagine if you were expecting a magic bullet (a la trading Kaberle) to suddenly turn the Leafs into a powerhouse, then you could be disappointed.
Thankfully, Burke is stocking up for the long term, and not just the short term. Those short term moves are what so many of us have criticized the Leafs for in the past, and now he doesn’t make any, and all I read is bellyaching.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
And we won them in part because they had a chance to compete for a job right away. That’s not Burke’s fault, it just tempers the credit I give him.
How in the hell does this make any sense? You seriously expect these guys to wilingly put their careers in a worse position? 99 times out of 100 they’re going to choose the team that a) offers them the most money, b) gives them them the best opportunity to play meaningful minutes, or c) all of the above.
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I think you’re agreeing with him. They had the best opportunity to play in Toronto because we have bad players.
We won’t be able to sign players like this in three or four seasons when the Leafs are good.
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We won’t be able to sign players like this in three or four seasons when the Leafs are good.
/knock on wood
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Yeah it’s a good problem.
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I’m disagreeing with the second part.
That comment that he tempers the credit he gives Burke makes it sound like he wants Burke’s degree of difficulty to be HIGHER.
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I guess. I think he’s just saying it’s not like Burke moved heaven and hell to sign these guys; there weren’t a lot of teams those guys were interested in.
We don’t really know though. I know Nieuwendyk had a hand in them.
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We won where 29 other teams lost. (Some may not have played, but you get what I’m saying.)
This to me is the same thing as people discrediting Burke’s contribution to the 2007 Ducks. At the end of the day, it’s Burke’s name on the Cup, and it’s Burke’s name on the contract. I could care less how or why.
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Backscratching according to hfboards
“If Toronto got a pick for Skoula, they would give a pick one round later to Pittsburgh. Just to get the deal done.”
“He just said it right now on the Fan590. Says he has no idea who Chris Peluso is.”
so optics
make the league feel better about it. Burke is trying to dump salary in a way that they’ll find agreeable.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Kaberle could pull in a first rounder. He won’t pull in a top ten pick and a can’t miss prospect but a pick in the 20s isn’t in any way out of the question.
Calgary moved their first last year for Olli Jokinen who’s way less valuable than Kaberle.
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As I sorted of scanned through the deals and lurked the site (damn corporate access bs) and feel that people aimed high and are shocked at the return. The last 20 games were and still are going to be rough. Poni and Stemp were always leaving and as UFAs they were never going to net us anything big.
Every fan wants a king’s ransom for their team’s players; reality teaches you that fans rarely understand market value. Sometimes you need to dynamite the foundation before you really rebuild.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 3, 2010 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
“Matt Jones hasn’t played hockey this year and may not ever again”
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Huh. Well that’s weird.
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Can someone list potential ufa for this summer so we can debate about which ones we can get, so ultimitely we will all want to kill ourselves july 1st when none of them sign with us.
bookmark it please
http://www.capgeek.com/contracts.php
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by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Burke says the Leafs project to have 6.5 million in cap space for July 1st, and potentially more if he bury’s money in the minors.
so we will have 10 million – bye bye finger
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 3, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not enough made of Toskala going to the Flames
First off – if he thought getting out of Canada would be bad – try getting by the Flames fans at the airport.
Second – It’s going to take the Ducks longer to wash the stink of failure out of the dressing room than it took for Toskala to wash the blue and white out of his equipment.
Third – if you think our current players have it bad, how would you like to be Stajan, White and Hagman when they find out they are one Kiprusoff groin injury away from having Toskala as their starting goalie again.
Also – STILL fuck Toskala in his stupid head.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 3, 2010 6:42 PM EST reply actions
did Toskala actually suit up for the Ducks?
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still
that horrible goaltender stink is really hard to wash out
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 3, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
My biggest question is whether they told him about this, and made sure he didn’t spend money on getting a new paint job on his mask (I’m sure the pads and mask itself were paid by the team or sponsor, but the paint jobs are up to the goalies)
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
if he did
I would laugh even harder
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But
He could probably sell it for a SHITload on ebay… a Vesa Toskala Anaheim mighty ducks mask… pretty valuable to collectors since he never even played a game for them
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
it would be like a 2009 Detroit Red wings championship shirt or something like that.
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Dunno if we confirmed this but he hasn’t played since 1/30 against Vancouver.
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By the way….Colo is a free agent this year.
So we could just resign him and then it would just be Steen for a 4th and a 7th if it makes you feel better =D
Sometimes
Chemmy sometimes makes things out to be simpler than they are – I assume out of frustration because he usually is pretty accurate and succinct with his statements.
Saying ‘we traded two first round picks for a 4th and a 7th’ is a huge misrepresentation of the facts. We traded two former first round picks for a 4th and a 7th – big difference.
Which round you picked someone becomes completely irrelevant after that player establishes his worth in the NHL. At the moment you picked Carlo or Steen, they were exactly worth a first round pick(at least to the team that picked them) but their true value to the team and league will bear out after a few years in the NHL.
Think of it this way – after 2 or 3 seasons in the NHL will either Hall or Seguin be worth trading for a first round pick? Who knows, maybe or maybe not. If either of them can play as well as Phil Kessel, then they may be worth more than a first round pick.
Either way, those picks are gone and we will have success or failure with that decision. Picks aren’t for shit unless the player you get can contribute to your team in a meaningful way and when it counts.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 3, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even really mind moving Cola and Steen for Stempniak. Stempniak was as valuable as Steen ever was and Colaiacovo never played.
In the cap era I don’t care if you have Mario Lemieux if he only plays 10 games a year it doesn’t matter if he scores 20 goals he’s not in the lineup enough to justify a contract since you’ll need to replace him with a warm body for 60 games.
We drafted poorly and covered our mistakes with spending and goaltenders who stole games every other night or so. We had a generational talent in Sundin.
Our problem was we let Sundin, McCabe, Kaberle, Kubina and Tucker sit on their NTCs (well the first problem was giving them all NTCs) and saw our core walk away from the Leafs leaving us Mike Van Ryn and Garnet Exelby. Those big name UFAs all had huge value as rentals and could have helped the Leafs out. Instead all of those guys helped themselves.
I don’t want the same thing to happen with Kaberle. He’s a great option as an offensive defenseman even if I personally hate his game in our end. He’s just not a player needed by the Leafs right now and he has trade value. Our window isn’t next year, it’s probably not the year after that. If we draft well (oops) and develop our prospects well (Kadri, DiDomenico, Champagne, Stalberg, Bozak, Hanson, Paradis, Caputi, Ryan, D’Amigo) maybe we’ll be in decent shape to grab a few UFAs in three years and make a run.
Until then this is an ugly team. We’re eight points behind the 28th place team with 19 games to go.
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But.....
we no longer have Toskala or Blake, and will be without XLB by July 1st. ALSO, we have Dion freaking Phaneuf. And we might be able to use some of these late round picks in packages for higher round picks (Kaberle + a 5th is a lot more likely to get us a pick in the teens than just Kaberle)
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Dropping Toskala, Blake and Exelby gets us $9M. Adding Phaneuf reduces the savings to $2.5M. No Poni so we’re up to $5.5M but man our roster’s looking thin.
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Yeah… but we have DION PHANEUF! Also, we don’t have Toskala… and he sucks… so not having him is like, good.
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the leafs need to add at the very least one capable scorer in the off season or its another lotto pick for the bruins
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 3, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Totally. We also need to dump most of our bad contra-… wait, we already did that didn’t we. So now we have room to trade Kaberle for a forward or sign a FA
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Seriously, think about how much more space we’d have if Burke was around a year sooner, he would have found a way to unload Tucker and Raycrap without buying them out
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
We need to add a PK unit and figure out what’s wrong with our defense.
That’s what makes me feel sick: we keep pulling pieces out of our defense and replacing them with ostensibly capable players and they still suck.
Komisarek Kaberle Beauchemin Phaneuf Schenn is fucking stacked (and expensive) and we have NOTHING to show for it. I was thinking it was coaching but Wilson’s system looked good at the Olympics. What’s wrong with our defense?
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Meh, I think a fresh start next season will do some good. I also think getting rid of Kaberle will allow guys like Mikey, Dion, and Franco to step up and lead the corps.
In terms of PK, I really like Sjostrom as a PKer and quick 3rd line grinder. I can see one or two of Hanson, Stalberg, or Kadri becoming top-tier Pkers too
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LUNDMARK!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
What about Hanson or Stalberg suggests PK ability?
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Stalberg has speed and Hanson is defensively responsible (well not totally but he has potential)
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The Defense thing bothers me as well – much better on paper than how they are playing
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 3, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
And really, we got two years (almost) of Stempniak, and a 4th round pick, and a 7th rounder. Personally I would rather have Stemp for this time than Steen (who definitely hasn’t done much since leaving), and Coli probably wouldn’t be played most nights for us this year anyways.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
Still as a closed loop we took two late firsts and grabbed players that through mishandling we ruined and we traded their broken bodies to St. Louis for a guy who played sort of ok on a bad team and only netted us a 4th and a 7th.
I didn’t think we’d get anything huge for Stempniak but I certainly thought it’d be more than a 4th, a 7th and a bad contract from Phoenix.
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Isn’t he a UFA though at the end of the year, and injured anyways? Big freaking deal. Obviously there was no market for Stemps, and rather than hold on to him and maybe win what… 2 more games than we will now (if any, he’s not much of a game-breaker), we trade him for some more minor-league property.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
But we should have taken a 4th from Phoenix just for a bad contract. Stempniak’s not useless. :\
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He is to a team with no hope of making the playoffs. Pretty much everyone is useless for anything other than playing games so people pay to watch. Its nice to hope we get out of a lottery spot so Boston’s pick isn’t as high, but is Boston getting a 7th overall pick instead of a 2nd really worth giving away our own late picks (which is what would happen by not dumping some of these guys)
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
I agree entirely he was useless to us, just that in the trade we gave up Stempniak for a 4th, 7th and useless salary.
You’d think with all the players PHX signed today they’d toss us a 4th just to take some broken guy to avoid hitting the 50 person SPC limit. Stempniak should have returned us more.
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I’m still thinking that we probably had something in the works that was better, but the other team backed out or found a better deal for someone else, meaning Burke had to scramble to make this one last minute.
Phaneuf Phever, an upgrade in skill and alliteration!
We should stop worrying about who Boston gets because it has absolutely no impact on our team anymore. It is in the past. The only people who care are Damien Cox et all. Get over it.
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 3, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m over it but given that we still hear about Niedermayer and Luongo the odds of this EVER going away if the players turn into anything meaningful are slim.
Kessel is a much better return than the Leafs received in either of those deals but good luck arguing that point with anybody who is already hellbent on making the Leafs look like complete morons for trading away the pick.
Being a fan is as wonderful as it is irrational. Or vice-versa.
I know you are over it. I was more yelling at Cox etc. Sorry, this discussion bothers me. We have Phil Kessel, that’s good. We won’t know exactly what we gave up for a while so let’s talk about something else…
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 4, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh...
Look where a bit of light humour gets you nowadays…
Im sure you guys are pretty bummed about losing stemps
So I decided to to cheer you guys up.
Smile party!
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Philthy phil kicking it off
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
worst photobooth session ever
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agreed
he also looks like he needs to lay off the pizza a bit. But scrolling up from 3rd to 2nd made me giggle a bit
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And now im tapped out
feel free to add your own!
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He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Luke Schenn AND Phil Kessel!
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Wait im not tapped out!
I was saving this for a special occasion. For some reason it moves really fast for me, not sure why.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
That she is my friend
I hope to see her again real soon.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Id just like to point out
Raffi Torres whos only slightly better than Stempniak statistically and wasn’t playing on a line by himself got a second round pick and a salary dump player.
Same for Belanger.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Stempniak
has the lowest Goals for per 60 minutes played of those three, and the highest Goals Against per 60 minutes played for those three.
Also, Stempniak played every line imaginable. Hard to state he played on a line by himself when he was playing with Poni or Hagman for most of the season
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by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
In his GA defense
That does count PP goals though doesnt it? I remember seeing him mostly on your third line so maybe I was mistaken about playing alone.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
at one time
he was on the first line. he runs hot and cold.
and Goals Against is defense.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Erhm yeah I meant him on the PK
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
sorry
per 60 minutes 5 on 5
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by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Caputo anyone?
I don’t like youtube videos of players but some folks do and have no idea if anyone cares or if this has been posted here or not but those that wish to take a peek at what we got: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6OMy4fib50&feature=related
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
I don't know....
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Burke was handed crap, and it will take him a while to turn it around. Here is some minor hope:
1) Beauch and Komisarek had flashes of really good play;
2) if Giguerre does not work out, we only have to watch him for one more season—he won’t be as bad as Toskala;
3) Kadri will be one step closer to the Leafs while playing in the Marlies next year;
4) Kaberle will almost certainly be dealt—not for as much as he could have yielded at the deadline, but we will surely get a strong forward for him;
5) Finger buried or traded;
6) Use our money to get something Burke will surprize with this summer; and
7) if the bulk of the moves are done, we may get a chance to gel a little more—everyone knew the sword of Damacles hung over the team and it made them jumpy as prison bitches.
True we will probably be painful to watch for a while, but we could be pleasantly surprised this fall, and, while probably not making the play-offs in 2011, I expect us to see all signs pointing to Burke knowing what he is doing, and that works for me.
Patience! :-)
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by blurr1974 on Mar 3, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
well said.
i’ve heard leaf fans ask for a ‘rebuild’ or at least a ‘youth movement’ for years. well, we have it now. unfortunately that means watching stinkers like last night’s game once in a while. patience is right – burke knows what he’s doing (i hope).
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
the “crappy” part of this youth movement/rebuild is that we don’t have the one thing that makes those rebuilds worth suffering through: lottery picks.
In the past three years the organization has blown chances to get Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene and now Hall/Seguin and whoever is the top rated pick in 2011.
I know we can’t change that but it still kills me that we didn’t tank when we should have and now we are tanking when we shouldn’t be.
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by The Meatriarchy on Mar 3, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
lottery picks aren’t the magic bullet. i won’t bother arguing the point, i’ve spent way too much time doing that already. some people are convinced you can’t win without lottery picks, so be it.
there are 3 possible scenarios that will play out in the next 2-3 years:
this team with kessel is better than it would have been with the picks it gave up.
this team with kessel is no better and no worse than it would have been with the picks it gave up.
this team with kessel is worse than it would have been with the picks it gave up.
it will be impossible to know for sure, but at this point i don’t think any one of those scenarios is any more likely than the other. i’m hoping it’s one of the first 2.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I agree that lottery picks aren’t a magic bullet but a first overall pick is a closer bet to a magic bullet than not.
Consider the Draft that allowed Pittsburgh to get Crosby – the second overall was Bobby Ryan who while good is no Crosby. The difference between the two is the difference between Superstar and Solid Top Liner.
One is a generational impact player the other isn’t. Kessel is a fine player and I like him. But you know what – I think Stamkos will be better and we could have had him if the mgt at the time had done what Burke did today.
Unless we get something huge for Kaberle this summer I don’t see anything in the free agent market that resembles a top line franchise player save for Kovalchuk and Burke has already made his feelings known on him. IE – he ain’t coming.
Of course the flipside is that we are now the youngest team in the NHL which certainly has upside potential. But if we play like we did last night for the rest of the year how can anyone expect to tolerate that for very long?
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by The Meatriarchy on Mar 3, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Good points, re: difference between a first overall and everything thereafter, even the second overall pick. But I honestly don’t think we will have to watch yesterday for even the rest of the season, and certainly not next season. If it continued like yesterday Burke would not stand it either and do something drastic like fire his friend, Wilson. I like Wilson, but who knows? Maybe he is a decent coach with a bottom feeder team, but a great coach only when he has some real talent. Regardless, i can’t see Burke watching yesterday’s performance for the next five weeks.
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I can’t see Burke watching yesterday’s performance for the next five weeks.
It’s not like Burke has much in the way of options.
He can waive Finger or Exelby, but that’s not going to suddenly supply some talent up front or improve two below-average goalies.
He’s not going to fire Wilson. Long-time friends, partners in a silver medal performance, massive outstanding contract.
I have no idea if the Leafs are going to continue to stink it up, all signs certainly point to yes, if they do Burke really doesn’t have any options other than grimacing from his private box.
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You may be right, as he did say early winter that he would replace the team if they stunk it up rather than the coach, and he certainly made many moves on that front.
Maybe it is because I have only been a fan for seven (?) or so years—I understand everyone’s anxiety, and I feel some of it.
But mostly I think it will all come together soon, and maybe that just proves I am a Leafs fan now, as every new season hope springs eternal.
Seriously, though, I am not on any meds to wash away the pain, yet I still think good things are on the way; slowly at first (i.e. some stink involved) but then leaps and bounds….
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 3, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
better keep on keepin on then
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 3, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
BTW First overall picks from the past 13 years look mostly like magic bullets to me:
Joe Thornton
Vincent Lecavalier
Patrik Stefan
Rick DiPietro
Ilya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc-Andre Fleury
Alexander Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
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by The Meatriarchy on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Thornton - perpetual playoff choker
Vincent Lecavalier -- cup winner; 4th on team scoring when they won; no playoff success since
Patrik Stefan - bust;
Rick DiPietro - made of papier mache
Ilya Kovalchuk - 0 playoff games won lifetime
Rick Nash - 0 playoff games won lifetime
Marc-Andre Fleury - cup winner; doesn’t happen without crosby and malkin
Alexander Ovechkin - one playoff series won lifetime
Sidney Crosby - cup winner
Erik Johnson - too soon to call; unlikely for playoffs this year.
Patrick Kane - too soon to call
Steven Stamkos - too soon to call; unlikely for playoffs this year.
John Tavares - too soon to call; unlikely for playoffs this year.
also, the 3 previous first overall picks were jovanovski, bryan berard, and chris phillips.
these are all fine individual players, no doubt. but i don’t see anything here that suggests first overall picks lead to team success.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I’m not overly-taken with the fine player Kovalchuk, but didn’t Burke just say he wouldn’t pay a ridiculous amount of money that Kovalchuk said he wanted (maybe all talk just to get out of hellhole Atlanta—if he really wants that money he will go to the KHL this summer). I think an agreement could be made, as Kovalchuk wants to play in a market like this, would get endorsements up the ying-yang, would be a hero and these reasons could make him change his price for a desired location. That said, I hope we don’t try to get him.
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Burke said he wouldn’t a long term deal for Kovalchuk.
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Well if he did say he would, Mike Gillis would be faxing tampering papers in no time. I’m pretty sure he has Leafs TV.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that sucks—no way to ‘big’ that up. I agree that ‘tank for picks’ is not a good way to build a fighting team spirit, but we seem very capable of putting in an effort and still not doing well. Burke gets lots of players for the future, though. Most won’t be great NHLers, but some will be. He will go through the colleges again, where our reputation for ‘doing the right thing’ for players is sterling, so we can expect more top players from there, some wise late draft picks, a free agent with some upside, and something for good for Kaberle. Who knows, could be Schenn for Kaberle, straight, or something equally exciting. I have a feeling that Burke is planting all these seeds, and many will take to the soil….
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Giguere probably won’t work out, but he’ll at least mentor Gustavsson and got Blake out of the locker room.
I still think we should take a run at a Dan Ellis type guy.
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There’s many silver linings to this: the Leafs can play the kids with zero expectations. The next 20 games are theirs to get used to the NHL. That’s not something to simply piss on: it means the young guys will be coming in with a knowledge of what intense games are all about next year.
Whatever Burke says, take with a grain of salt. He likes a well-built defense, but I guarantee some d-men move at the draft.
With the current player market and cap situation, its bad news for all mediocre teams. I know no one hear wants to hear about the habs, but there was lots of desire to move Hammer and Spacek at the deadline. The problem is deals like those (and XLBs, etc.) are a pain in the ass to get rid of. Everyone needs cap space, and even if a player is reasonably skilled at something, no one wants to overpay. Burke did what he had to: he dumped underachievers, got a few picks, and ate some other teams’ salary which is off the books next year.
Kulimen – Bozak – Kessel
Hansen – Grabbo(IR)/Mitchell – Stalberg
Caputi – Wallin – Sjostrom
Lundmark – Primeau – Orr
Kaby – Phaneuf
Komisarek(IR)/Beauchemin – Schenn
Gunnarsson – Exelby/Finger
Giguere
Gustavsson
/weeps.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 3, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Its a lot of pain for 20 games...
But the upshot is you got the young guys leading the team, where they belong. They won’t spend 3 years playing on the 3rd/4th line. I know throwing young players into the fire can be rough, but Kuliman, Bozak, Hanson and Stalberg aren’t around to be defensively responsible Primeau’s. Might as well see what they got, with low expectations and a defense corps that can back them up.
by westcoasthabs on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
But the upshot is you got the young guys leading the team, where they belong. They won’t spend 3 years playing on the 3rd/4th line
That to me is the downside of this. I see no harm in sheltering younger players on the 3rd and 4th lines and rewarding good play with soft minutes and some PP time.
So long as it’s a 20 game evaluative stretch, I’m cool with it. But I think it’s a high-risk way to develop players.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 3, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hear that…but it depends on how you do it. You don’t throw kids out there and scream at them when you don’t make the playoffs. You throw ’em out there, let them make mistakes, develop a system around their skills, and get ready for next season.
by westcoasthabs on Mar 3, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think rushing players can be far more damaging in other sports, particularly baseball.
I’m not going to get my panties in a twist over getting to watch our young guys play meaningful minutes.
Hell, we bitched about the opposite when Quinn ran the show so we got our wishes.
(For anybody who feels differently I’m using the Royal “we”)
Being a fan is as wonderful as it is irrational. Or vice-versa.
How long have you been a Leaf fan? I could give you an A-Z of Leaf prospects rushed and ruined.
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He’s right. I checked Wiki. The Leafs have never had a player whose first or last name began with an X.
Ok, I’ll double dip on “y” – thanks to every Leaf player having the laziest nicknames ever.
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shit…I see your point after taking a hard look at that lineup…kessels the only vet worth following in that lineup right now…and that`s not something you want to hang on him…
by westcoasthabs on Mar 3, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
You also have no depth
Incase one of your kids goes down or gets shell shocked and needs to spend some time on the bob marlies.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Kessel is not a vet. He’s a 3rd year pro and he’s 22. I am in favour though, the way the NHL is now, kids run the show.
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
But I’m thinking in the 20 game sample stretch, not long term. However, what can end up happening if you don’t give guys a consistent shot is that they simply don’t end up providing the offense that you drafted them for (I’m a little biased, seeing as we just traded a former prospect away today)
by westcoasthabs on Mar 3, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
The other side of the coin is that someone needs to play minutes because we’re out of players. Throwing a prospect to the wolves might be the first time that player has ever not been one of the best players on the ice. You can wreck a kid’s confidence and that’s it.
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Hmmm…fair enough…
I dunno. Its really tough, because it seems like an opportunity to basically start the preseason early, but I see your point.
by westcoasthabs on Mar 3, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
While it’s less than ideal, I think it might be a good evaluative tool for Wilson and Burke.
I certainly don’t think it should be an organizational objective.
When you look at clubs with a strong history of developing talent, none of them have a “play the kids” mentality.
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I was so going to make that joke earlier
Your top line consists of Kaberle, Kessel, and Phaneuf. Then I realized that actually sounds like a badass first line.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
XLB
just park his a$$ in front of the net and have Kessel and Bozak shoot.
by westcoasthabs on Mar 4, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Accidents Happen...
this is where i insert the toothless picture of tkachuck
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Hey, it actually worked for Washington with their Bondra-Simon combo that one year….
by westcoasthabs on Mar 4, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Not trying to be a dick, I just took another look at the lineup here and at the overall depth chart….I see what your saying…there’s just no veteran presence at all…which is super risky.
by westcoasthabs on Mar 3, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
one hell of a kickass AHL team tho.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Mar 4, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Again, Abysmal
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
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