If the Phoenix Coyotes make the playoffs, I’m very, very curious to see what the ninth-place owner in the West has to say. They deserve to get in, and if the team was actually run by a person and not the NHL, we’d all be saying, "There’s an owner who’s really committed." But everyone else is paying the bills, and is causing hard feelings among the other contenders.
Paying a ton of money to your competitors and watching them get a playoff spot would be really annoying.
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I heard some rich guy wanted to buy the team and move it somewhere profitable but no owner actually wanted that to happen.
I head that that guy was a total dick about it though so it wasn’t going to happen.
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What? A rich guy being a total dick? That’s unpossible!
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Its how you get rich. I guess travis hair should have added “Moreso than usual”
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True.
But at the same time, total douchebag.
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He also was a cheater. If you want to be a jerk, you have to do it borderline legally.
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Everything he did was legal in terms of the law, just not in terms of the NHL’s lame oligarchy.
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I'm a fan of Oligarchy then.
Buck Falsillie.
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far more interesting to me
The other was Darryl Sutter. No one had any issue with giving Matt Stajan four years, but let’s just say they were less impressed with the $14 million. "That’s going to make everyone else’s job a lot harder," one said.
The Phoenix thing seems to be a bunch of whining, to me. They’re not making the playoffs because they’ve spent to the cap to get the best players – they’ve been smart with their money, and play a good system. If the owner whose team ends up in 9th place is upset, he should replace his GM and coach with someone better than Maloney/Tippet.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions
Those quotes from GMs are funny. “Waaah you spent too much on a player which drives up the cost for everyone”.
That GM has to live with it. If Sutter wants to make that deal he should. If I was a GM trying to sign a player I’d point out that in the salary cap NHL being paid more than you’re worth could mean you end up in the AHL.
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haha
yeah it’s funny how there’s so much whining, since there always seems to be another GM out there who’ll pay the player what they want (unless you’re Dominic Moore).
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
It’s the same as people who complain that scalpers bought all the tickets to the game. There’s a market out there with people willing to pay top dollar for assets. You don’t get to complain that what you want is too expensive if other people happily pay the price.
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Ya know
This could have all been avoided had the NHL approved Balsillie’s offer to buy the Coyotes. But no, they rejected it and now you have infighting because the Coyotes don’t suck. Surely that’s much better right?
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This is a good point but I’m still waiting for some of you guys to catch on.
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The Leafs are paying pretty much all of their competitors?
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Just curious as to why there’s a furor over teams pitching in to help Phoenix and not a furor over Toronto shelling out to help everybody.
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Everybody hates the Leafs. They probably think they are entitled to it because we are annoying or something stupid like that.
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I get that we want the whole league to be successful, it just seems to me that having a strong market should be something that’s a positive for your team.
The argument that big money teams ruin sports somewhat glosses over the obvious fact that popular teams have more fans than unpopular teams.
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The argument that big money teams ruin sports somewhat glosses over the obvious fact that popular teams have more fans than unpopular teams
Isn’t one of the reasons you hate the yankees is because they buy championships?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Not that baseball is perfect but it probably makes more sense to have your biggest cities have competitive teams.
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Of course when the Leafs were spending top dollar they weren’t spending 40% more than the next closest team.
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Leafs payroll this season is awfully close to what the Leafs were paying players when there was no cap
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Other teams can afford to pay more though now because of profit sharing, etc.
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I figure everyone else already hates the Leafs, why not let us buy championships too?
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Again, it’s hardly a silver bullet. We spent like crazy for a long time and never won anything.
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And then when the salary cap was introduced, we had the fewest prospects/picks because we had never needed to rely on them to make the playoffs.
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yeah, so did the Rangers.
I’d still feel a bit easier about re-tooling under Burke were we allowed to spend as much money as we wanted.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I wish it was like the NBA and we could just pay a luxury tax, I wouldn’t mind if that money went to the welfare teams, as long as it meant we could sign their superstars for more than they could afford once they became FAs
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In the NBA, Tracy McGrady is the highest paid player. Let that sink in.
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by Belligerent Burkie on Mar 8, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
haha, tracy is a girls name
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 8, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
The NHLs highest paid player is Vinny… not great right now.
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isn’t it Ovechkin? Or am I missing something?
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
2009/2010 Salary/Cap Hit:
Ovi: $9,000,000 salary/$9,538,462 cap hit
Lecavelier: $10,000,000 salary/$7,727,273 cap hit
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ah
then yeah, Vinny is the highest paid player this year.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Vinny’s contract tails way off at the end to where he’s only making $6.5M over the last three years; 4, 1.5, and 1 respectfully.
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GM’s have made a mockery of the salary cap with deals like that…
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
It’ll prolly be fixed in the next CBA.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 8, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Since the lockout, Lecavailer has finished higher in NHL scoring than T-Mac has finished in NBA scoring. I think he’s a little more deserving of being the highest paid player.
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by Belligerent Burkie on Mar 8, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hey did you know that macintosh apples cost more than sunkist oranges?
Whats that, two different things? Oh that doesnt matter
Fairweather fans can go to hell
I’m not exactly sure how they’re different? Is it because T-Mac is like Wince Carter and gets hurt all the time?
These are two players who are paid a lot of money to either put pucks in the net or put balls through a hoop (that’s what she said). It would be apples and oranges if I were comparing T-Mac to Luongo, for example. But I think Lecav and T-Mac are pretty fair comparisons.
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by Belligerent Burkie on Mar 8, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I like apples more than oranges. There I just compared them. I don’t see anything wrong with comparing players from two different sports.
by CanadianMaple09 on Mar 8, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think they are all bad for either being ineffective or too strict.
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Also buying championships never worked for Toronto in the past. It’s still funny to read about how everyone’s angry at Phoenix for taking handouts when there are plenty of playoff teams taking handouts from non-playoff teams.
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by PPP on Mar 8, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
sure it is
the Coyotes are a much more marketable asset if they’re successful.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
They have been somewhat successful before and it didn’t help much.
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Not always. Chris Pronger left St. Louis when previous ownership gutted the team to facilitate a sale. A good team is going to have prospects due raises and those contracts are a liability.
In terms of securing financing to buy a team it’s a lot easier to buy a terrible team.
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hmmm that’s a good point, I forgot about the St. Louis sale. I was thinking more along the lines of finding an owner to keep them in Phoenix – if they’ve been shown that the team can draw well if it’s doing well, they might actually find someone.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
pheonix has the second lowest payroll in the league(lol NYI), and are barely at the salary floor. (they were probably below it prior to the trades they made)
The maple leafs are outspending the coyotes by over 37%.
just sayin’
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sure
but Phoenix has a smart GM who was working with what little he had left after stripping the team of most of their payroll.
Toronto is Burke extricating himself from bad contracts and filling in gaps with free agents (like Bozak, Hanson) and whatever warm body he can find.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I admit pheonix is definatly first in “bang for your buck” rankings.
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this year
I think Nashville’s been one of the better teams at doing that year in, year out.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
1. That Nashville GM/Coach combo is A talent.
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Barry Trotz is an alchemist. They’ve outperformed the reasonable expectation for their roster every year of their existence.
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by puckurgently on Mar 8, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
im just mad that people complain about the coyotes payroll being only slightly more than the minimum amount.
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who’s complaining about that?
You’d think more people would be complaining if they were near the cap limit, given it’s the league paying those salaries.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Alan Walsh was saying something about it on twitter.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 8, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
he complains about everything.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 8, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Something interesting to note about the Coyotes: Only 3 drafted players since 2005 are on the roster. (Hanzal, Yandle, Tikhonov). Mueller has been traded and Turris, Summers, Boedker, and Elkund-Larsson have yet to make an impact in the NHL. That team hasn’t been built through the draft. It’s been put together through UFA signing, waiver pickups, and smart trades. It’s amazing what savvy GM moves, good coaching, and great goaltending can do for a team.
Draft Shmaft.
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by puckurgently on Mar 8, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
…great goaltending…
What is a great goaltending?
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Remember CuJo, the first time around?
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
that was like, 1992, (oddly also the last year the habs fans think existed)
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SO many wrongs. Cujo came in 98, and it was 93 the Habs think was the last year in existance
Fairweather fans can go to hell
My memory before 2004 is a bit hazy due to my high school experiences. But yes, I think I remember the great Dog and Cat of 90s myth.
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you werent a fan of the tellqvist/Aubin combo?!
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I was
as long as it meant not trading Tuuka Rask for Andrew Raycroft
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by Back In Black on Mar 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Aubin DID have a sweet streak that got us out of the Draft lottery.
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Wait, we traded Toskala?
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I dunno what that is, but I’m familiar with Good Goal Tending.
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i realize competence in management(and goaltending) is still a foreign concept to you guys. Its pretty amazing stuff, though. You might actually have it now.
I also realize that whole JFJ/toskala/raycroft nonsense is burned into your memories forever as well.
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by puckurgently on Mar 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
It’s probably close to 95% goaltending.
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I dunno, I think it’s a lot of coaching, too. Bryzgalov doesn’t have to win those games by himself. They protect him well.
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by Karina on Mar 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Incorrect.
Bryz is turning into a great goaltender, but the shot quality that he’s facing this year vs. last is night and day. The d pushes the shots to the perimeter and he has all day to save them. He’s not getting guys lost in front of the next like the keystone cops anymore.
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Obviously Tippett has done a great job with the team and Phoenix has had a lot of unknown quantities step up big, and good for them.
But looking at the numbers, it’s hard to believe they’re not overperforming, at least a little bit. Their shots for/against and goals for/against are about equal, and as such their goal differential is pretty close. They happen to be 4th in the NHL in overtime wins, so we’re talking lots of close finishes. If I had to put money on it, I’d say goaltending and some luck here and there will do a lot in pushing an decent team to the heights they’re currently at.
I’m not saying that Phoenix doesn’t deserve to be up in the spot they’re in, or that in another year they wouldn’t be in the playoffs. But there’s a lot of reasons to suggest that there’s a bubble that they’re riding, much like last year’s Bruins, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it were to burst either this season or next and take a bit of wind out of their sails.
(woo mixed metaphors)
Sure there's some of that.
But having watched every game this year and every game last year and the ones the … you get the point. THere’s a tangible difference in how this team plays even if they’re winning 1 and 2 goal games and getting out shot. Bryzgalov is a big part of what’s been going on, but the majority of the time he doesn’t have to make outstanding saves, which he does, he just has to make a lot or routine saves that the team is happy to give up. When a large chunk of shots are coming from the boards without guys in the way so he can see it’s going to be fairly easy to stop.
That being said, I think that you’re somewhat correct in your assessment in that the Coyotes have got to find a way to get scoring. They don’t score nearly enough goals for my tastes. But They brought in Wolski and Stempniak (yeah I know he’s not a huge scorer) and they’ve looked good with the team so far even with a small sample size. For this season I think they’ll give anyone a run in the playoffs and shouldn’t be a surprise if they get to a final they look that good when they’re on. They do have a ton of UFAs this summer though so it could be totally different next year.
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Especially if they are still under NHL control. If they can find an owner before the UFA period begins, there is a chance at keeping this team together. Apparently Phoenix is about $1 million under budget. If that is true, I don’t think the NHL would allow for even a $40 million budget if they still haven’t found a worthy owner.
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by Belligerent Burkie on Mar 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. THat's the key
Ice Edge needs to close on this thing earlier rather than later. But they pretty much said when this started that the time frame looked to be right around playoff time to finish all the negotiations and other bs.
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