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Steve Simmons: Lazy Reporter, Laziest Reporter, or Something Sinister?

What evil hides behind those glasses?

As the sun set on the 2006-2007 season, Steve Simmons wrote a story that set of a bit of a firestorm in Toronto alleging that story that Mats Sundin's career was in jeopardy due to impending hip surgery:

Mats Sundin's future in Toronto — and his future as a National Hockey League player — suddenly is in question after it was learned yesterday that the Maple Leafs captain requires hip surgery.

According to a source in the medical community, Sundin needs surgery almost immediately to repair a hip problem, complicating his still-to-be determined contractual status with the Leafs.

Of course, that article can no longer be found on the Sun's website so you'll have to take the word of those that remember reading it that "Chicken Little" is an apt description of the one of the article. The timing of the article was suspect in itself as Mats had just completed a 20 game run that saw him put up 19 points in yet another failed bid for the playoffs. Thank God that the Globe (article not present either) did a bit more digging:

The medical source said the surgery can be postponed indefinitely and could be done after Sundin, 36, retires from hockey if pain becomes an issue.

In the end however, it was clearly the end of the line for the classy Swede though as he put up anemic offensive numbers (32-46-78) with a terrible plus/minus (+17). Or wait, what's the opposite of 'over'? Oh yeah, he was freaking awesome again. And that flashback to previous Simmons shenanigans brings us to his latest 'scoop':

The historically quiet and almost non-combative defenceman has told old friends he "can’t stand playing for Wilson" and as much as he has loved playing for the Leafs and living in Toronto throughout his National Hockey League career, even through five straight seasons out of the playoffs, he is prepared to move on because he is unhappy with the manner in which Wilson coaches the Leafs and the lack of respect he shows for the players.

"He’s had enough," a good friend said. "He’s at his wit’s end with the guy."

- Steve Simmons, March 31, 2010

 Needless to say, there was some skepticism when he announced the upcoming story on Twitter last night. More after the jump on why you should take this story with a massive grain of salt:

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It all started when I noticed that Kukla's had a link to Simmons' story which was then taken down. I can only assume that The Sun goofed in publishing it early because incompetence seems the most likely excuse. I headed over to his twitter page to find this teaser:

My column tomorrow - the quiet feud between Ron Wilson and Tomas Kaberle. Don't miss it.

Being the anonymous smartass that I am I wondered if there was actually anything behind this 'feud':

@simmonssteve Is this going to be like Mats Sundin's hip? Or an actual feud?

Surprisingly, Steve replied. He struggled early with twitter but he's slowly figuring it out although he still sends out tweets that are clearly meant as replies to everyone and still DM's people by accident.

@mlse Mats Sundin had a torn labrum in his hip. He saw the world's leading hip surgeon for a consult. If nothing was wrong, why do that?

The doctor Sundin saw was named Marc Phillipon. He has practiced in both Pittsburgh and Colorodo. Many athletes see him ....

Junior didn't think that this was a very good explanation:

@simmonssteve @mlse Is that seriously what that story was based on? That he saw a doctor? Isn't it possible that he saw a Dr. for the (1/2)

@simmonssteve @mlse ...same reason I see a doctor, namely "to find out if there's anything wrong"? Far cry from "retirement ensuing".

And it really wasn't a good explanation for writing a story slanted towards the worst possible outcome. He did, at least, explain a bit more about about where he received his information:

simmonssteve my source said he required surgery. that's what i wrote. my source was right about the injury, wrong about the diagnosis.

There's some sort of internet speak for the outcome that resulted from trusting just a single source and running with the worst scenario and being proven wrong but let's just agree that it's one more example of why anything reported by Simmons has to be taken with a grain of salt. "Old Friends" are probably the worst sources of information as mentioned in the good discussion in this morning's FTB. Of course, there's always the option available, at least to reporters that still attend practices and speak to the players, to ask the main players directly:

Kaberle says he's never had trouble with a coach over 10-plus years in the league.

- Chris Johnston

Wilson on Kaberle: I think our relationship is fine...Never had any issues with Tomas.

- Jonas Siegel

During Kaberle scrum Wayne Primeau played role of reporter, holding a "phony" mic - his hockey stick. Players having fun with this story.

- TonyAmbrogio200

Tomas Kaberle asked if he wants to remain Leaf next season if Ron Wilson is coach. He said "yes." This response to column he hates Wilson.

- TonyAmbrogio200 

It's created such a firestorm that even Wayne Primeau is trying to get in on the action along with Jamie Lundmark. These veterans probably have a good eye for ginned up stories.

Sure, Kaberle could just be playing the PR game with his answers now but knowing what little we do of Kaberle's character and demeanour what seems more likely? That he is kvetching to loudmouth friends in an attempt to...piss Burke off and get traded to Edmonton? Or that he is taking everything in stride? Why would a player that says he wants to stay in Toronto and never leave suddenly decide to begin the process of burning bridges?

All of those questions do not even begin to address the ridiculousness of the rest of the article that looks at how a sad Tomas Kaberle could diminish the possible trade return. Keeping in mind that Brian Burke absolutely refuses to allow teams to negotiate contracts (and he nevers goes back on his word) with Leafs players before making trades leaves Simmons' supposition that trading Kaberle to a team he chooses will result in a new contract and a higher return looking foolish. If Tomas Kaberle is moved he'll go where Brian Burkes thinks he can get the best return regardless of whether Kaberle is happy or not.

Of course, there is something else that could be behind another one source story. Rumours have abounded in Toronto about who might be feeding Simmons information. One commonly heard one is that none other than Larry Tanenbaum has been Simmons' best source of story ideas primarily as a way of destabilising Richard Peddie. The Sundin story also came out at a time when the Leafs were trying to negotiate a new deal with Mats in order to lower his cap hit. Wonder if starting a story about his deteriorating health could have helped? Now the Leafs are possibly looking to move Tomas Kaberle. What better way to cushion the blow of moving a top 10 offensive defenceman [Edited To Add] for less than expected than to begin a campaign making it look like he was uncoachable? Of course, this is all essentially baseless speculation but one good turn deserves another don't you think?

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Steve Simmons is ______________.
A Lazy Reporter
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The Laziest Reporter
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Something Sinister
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I dunno, my ire has passed now from Simmons to Paul Hunter.

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by Karina on Apr 1, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Simmons might as well start writing about Dion Phaneuf’s affair with Kate Gosselin.

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by Shield on Apr 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Now the Leafs are possibly looking to move Tomas Kaberle. What better way to cushion the blow of moving a top 10 offensive defenceman than to begin a campaign making it look like he was uncoachable?

As we all know, nothing increases the value of a player you’re looking to trade more by leaking rumours he doesn’t get along with his coaches.

Can we get some more real reporters to follow the Leafs? Mirtle, McGran and Friedman do great work, but they’re still outnumbered by all these dopes like Berger, Simmons and DiManno.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I should edit that to expand but one thing that might make sense is if it’s a way of lessening expectations on any possible return.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

True nuff

I’d hate for Kabby to be seen as a bad dressing room presence, only to get dealt for a crappy package like, I dunno: Stajan, Hagman and White? only to go be a stud on the team we dealt him to. Maybe Simmons IS sinister

by theothervatican on Apr 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please. He probably can’t even think 2 moves ahead in a game of Connect Four.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real reporters

Don’t follow the Leafs.

:(

by unavoidable on Apr 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI, Burke is on the FAN just lighting up MacLean for even discussing this. MacLean’s backpedaling like crazy.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

MacLean’s backpedaling like crazy.

Water is wet.

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by puckurgently on Apr 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn’t brought up Rick Nash or Steve Mason once the whole segment. We’re closing in on a record right now.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simmons doesn’t do very much homework… You ever notice how Simmons jumps to the next baseless idea instead of answering criticism?… The tears of Steve Simmons are probably as delicious as a sandwich from Zoulpy’s… I can see Tattersall Sound from my office!

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by puckurgently on Apr 1, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

About ten minutes after I joined PPP in going after Simmons on this supposed feud, (as set out above by PPP), his response was….nothing.

I tweeted him again: “@simmonssteve (sound of crickets chirping).” Still nothing.

I don’t get it. I would expect a legitimate reporter who reported factual inaccuracies as a result of erroneous information received from a source to stand up and defend his integrity. All Simmons says is that his source was “right about the injury”. I asked him a direct question – did you base your story on the mere fact that Sundin visited a doctor – and he’s not replying. I doubted this “feud” story immediately, and Simmons’ silence on the Sundin/hip thing speaks volumes to me about his credibility as a reporter.

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by jrwendelman on Apr 1, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simmons is going to be on the Gameplan in a little bit. It should be interesting if not laughable.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is this:

legitimate reporter

As in, Simmon’s, and the Sun’s writers in general, aren’t legitimate.

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by Pamplemousse on Apr 1, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted lazy reporter

Because while his stories are bullshit, I don’t think he actively makes shit up like some people we know. Also, he doesn’t outwardly voice his opinions, flip flopping on how he feels/what he says depending on whether he took his meds or not.

Conclusion? A big idiot writing for a shitty newspaper. Nothing too surprising there.

As a side note, I always thought Simmons looked like the tortured cop in Reservoir Dogs. Kirk Baltz.

by lordosis on Apr 1, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with every word of this.

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by puckurgently on Apr 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I voted lazy too.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i voted lazy, because “laziest” gives him an air of superiority over all other lazy reporters, and I don’t even think he’s very good at being lazy.

something sinister just gives him too much credit all together…

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Apr 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Sinister is Rosi DiManno

by theothervatican on Apr 1, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss her stalkerish Sundin articles :(

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by Karina on Apr 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i miss sundin :(

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

“All of those questions do not even begin to address the ridiculousness of the rest of the article that looks at how a sad Tomas Kaberle could diminish the possible trade return. "

I didn’t get that part of the article either. That whole paragraph from the Simmons article seemed straight inflammatory.

However, this controversy is how Steve Simmons stays relevant. Look at all the eyes pointing in his direction right now and how many people will read his follow up articles.

Relevance over integrity

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s a parody of himself at this point.

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by puckurgently on Apr 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, that’s a rec’n.

Too close for missiles, I'm switching to dead raccoons.

by puckurgently on Apr 1, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

(I don’t get it? Someone fill me in)

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhhhh yes the invariabale “…” effin’ Simmons

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less than or more annoying than Jack Todd’s &&&&&? I guess you guys don’t read the Gazette, but yeah that’s Todd’s thing. Annoying.

by Leaf in Habland on Apr 4, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 words

Slow news day

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Continuing with the theme of shitty reporters breaking probably untrue stories, according to MacLean, Mike Brophy is going to break a story today that the Sedins have been switching jerseys during the game

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re the real Killer B’s!

Actual size.

by Sergei Puckizin on Apr 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just knew a sedin could never reach 100 pts on his own ;)

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

They assist on all of each other’s goals. If one scores, the other one is almost certainly going to register a point. I don’t see what it accomplishes.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun, Humour, Awesomeness?

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by Shield on Apr 1, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

daniel missed like 30 games this year

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which was the final push

that it took for them to realize they were excellent without the whole Siamese Dream thing happening every other night.

Now that Henrik has realized how good he can be on his own, the two of them have kicked it up a few notches.

They’re pretty awesome. Just saying.

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by Steve Burtch on Apr 1, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I have to laugh at the people that were wondering if they were elite last year.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that’s a late April’s Fools but I would respect the Sedins more if they did it.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

favorite rumor

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfair

To bring Tony Ambrogio into this.

Tony’s, you know, a REAL reporter. Simmons has no chance.

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by Archimedies on Apr 1, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Definitely not a fair comparison. Like comparing Apples to rotten apple cores.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really just take a look at the guy. Do you think he knows anything worth knowing about hockey? Doubtful.

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by SkinnyFish on Apr 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not defending Simmons here. I repeat: I am not defending Simmons.

But, if you were a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist and a source that you trusted came to you and said that a prominent player was unhappy with his coach would you run the story?

I probably would. It’s your job to get a scoop and to get eyeballs on your pages.

With that caveat out of the way, there is certainly content here worth questioning, especially his notion of how to maximize the return for Kaberle. Three of the last four paragraphs don’t hold much water.

Sadly, his conclusion is likely spot on:

The likely end for Kaberle as a Leaf is coming soon. Just how soon is anyone’s guess.

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by mf37 on Apr 1, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

sadly, or happily? depending on the return

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go with sadly.

It’s a shame to see a long-standing player like Kaberle play so poorly.

His poor play also likely means a diminished return when he finally gets traded.

It’s also a virtual lock that Kaberle will undergo the Stempniak/Carlysle/Bradley effect and put up 60 points next year.

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by mf37 on Apr 1, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh guaranteed

and there’s no way we’ll get back what a 60 pt defenseman should get, but I’m resigned to the fact that he’s leaving anywyas.

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by Karina on Apr 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, if you were a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist and a source that you trusted came to you and said that a prominent player was unhappy with his coach would you run the story?

Yeah, I get why he would do it. Still speaks to the shoddy level of work that he would and it would be acceptable.

And yeah, Kabby’s going. We’ve had all year to make our peace with it.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just how soon is anyone’s guess.

I can guess. Sometime between July 1st and August 15th. After that it stops being “soon”.

by general borschevsky on Apr 1, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can be traded by June 15th I believe.

by birky on Apr 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

my guess is he is gone june 25th around 2pm

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have a trade to announce……..

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by SkinnyFish on Apr 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

and this year, we don’t have a 1st round draft pick to get everyone confused! YAAAAY!

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by Karina on Apr 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

… yet.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

you ruin my joke :(

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by Karina on Apr 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think mf37 pretty much nails it. If Simmons has a decent source on this, then it’s news and he should report it. Of course only Simmons knows who his source is — if he’s eklunding this one, that’s a different ballgame. But I don’t think he is.

And we shouldn’t just assume the story is wrong because Kaberle and Wilson deny it. For one thing, it’s been well-reported in the hockey world that Wilson can be a dick to his players and that the Sharks hated him by the end. So him not getting along with somebody isn’t really surprising.

And the story here is that Kaberle is talking about Wilson to his friends. So the fact that Wilson doesn’t know anything about it is meaningless, and the fact that Kaberle denies it doesn’t tell us much.

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by Down Goes Brown on Apr 1, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think it’s odd that Steve Simmons is the only one to hear about it.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily. The story is based on one source, not a press conference. Simmons may be the only reporter that particular source knows and/or trusts. Or maybe he’s just the only one he happened to talk to about this yesterday.

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by Down Goes Brown on Apr 1, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with the story, though, wasn’t the facts being reported. It was the speculation and hyperbole afterward.

“Mats sees noted hip specialist” = solid reporting job. “Mats sees noted hip specialist – OMG CAREER IS OVER IT’S JUST LIKE MOGILNY” <> solid reporting job.

Also – don’t forget:

“Mats puts house up for sale” = statement of fact. “Mats puts house up for sale OMG OMG HE’S GONNA LEAVE HE HATES TORONTO AND ALL OF US” = addle-brained nonsense.

It’s not the facts that kill his stories – it’s the speculation afterward.

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by 1967ers on Apr 1, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s probably a fair point. Although I’d argue that “Kaberle’s time with the Leafs is coming to an end” isn’t really speculation so much as it’s stating the obvious.

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by Down Goes Brown on Apr 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure – of the lot, it’s probably the most-supportable conclusion.

Part of the problem, too, of relying on unnamed sources is that if said unnamed source is spreading a load of you-know-what, it’s the reporter who takes the hit. And Steve has taken a few.

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by 1967ers on Apr 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, although as you know that’s part of the game sometimes. Reporters will use a source they’re pretty sure is lying because, hey, it’s a source and the story will get some attention.

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by Down Goes Brown on Apr 1, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly – relevance over integrity sometimes

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

All attention is good attention!

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by 1967ers on Apr 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even bad publicity is still publicity.

If you’re a Leafs beat reporter – this is the type of story that could make you relevant again (in the world of journalism). If it pans out of course

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s that Simmons is reporting it, Kaberle didn’t take an out that was available, both sides are denying it, and no other reporter has heard anything.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle not taking the out is what has me thinking it’s false. If he was really that hard up about Wilson, he would have bolted at the first chance. Now, he may have his feathers in a tizzy because of Wilson, but it’s clearly not that bad, since he wants to stick around.

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by Karina on Apr 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

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by jrwendelman on Apr 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Bitter Leaf Fan

You may be correct in wanting to print a sensational story such as Simmonds has but I would hope that like many real journalists (much like the ones I personally know), that once you get your “scoop”, you follow up on it to verify it in whole or in part. If Simmons’ source tells you Kaberle and other players hate Wilson, well you will have to confirm that allegation with at least one more person and it doesn’t have to be Kaberle but some one else to collaborate that allegation. If you don’t you might as well write that Wilson is the antichrist because your source told you he saw his horns and tail on a few occasions.
The article should never of been printed before the FACTS were confirmed. This is just another sad attempt of a sad man trying to prove that he is a real reporter where in fact he’s just a hack through and through. And like I said before, whom does he write for??? Oh yes that paper not worthy of lining my bird cage.

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by BlueBuds on Apr 1, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad that you personally know real journalists. Must be a real treat.

Simmons obviously felt his source was a good one and he went with it. For what it’s worth, I also believe Wilson is the antichrist. It will all be in my upcoming book: Antichrist: the legend of Ron Wilson.

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by mf37 on Apr 1, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicely done, PPP.

Good for you for calling Simmons on the feud story. This was well written, and I’m not trying to take anything away from it, but it’s at times like these that I miss Cox Bloc. Rec’d.

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by jrwendelman on Apr 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too

I wanted to get some wrasslin’ references in as a proper tribute but I couldn’t think of any.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Syndication doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot

Either way, there’s a few issues that need to be addressed without the mud slinging.

Kaberle is deserving of criticism for his play over the past two months. He’s a power play quarterback on the worst PP in the NHL. If he isn’t scoring then he isn’t doing anything because he’s been pretty atrocious defensively.

Ron Wilson, by most reports, is a slave to the numbers and his efforts to improve overall play tend to rely on a lot of statistical and video analysis. Kaberle is often out of position and soft on the puck, he also makes a lot of quesitonable decisions when he isn’t carrying the thing up ice.

Wilson probably has a huge log of evidence built up over the past half season of a guy who hasn’t been getting the job done at either end of the ice. He has great vision, but he’s so soft in his own end, I don’t think it matters at the end of the day.

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by Steve Burtch on Apr 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Beauchemin and Phaneuf seem to be the first powerplay unit for the last month with Kaberle and Gunnarsson coming on as the second unit.

Kaberle isn’t leading the attack any more, but appears to be under specific instructions to move the puck to the forwards sooner. Since the Great Overhaul, Wilson and Kaberle have been employing a different style of attack that doesn’t depend on one player to carry the puck through the nuetral zone. Instead, Kessel, Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Kulemin, Bozak, and Schenn, are being given opportunities to lead the offence and generate scoring chances, meaning less points for Kaberle beacuse he isn’t the one engineering the offence. It’s as simple as that really. The Leafs know what Kabby can do and they need to see what others can do and Kabby is graciously assisting the coaching staff to better assess the talent.

And finally:

“Kaberle is not picking his teeth out of the glass all night (anymore). I’m excited about that. There’s some notion that everyone has to be tough on a hockey team. They don’t. You have to surround your skill guys with enough size and toughness that they can play their game. And I think that’s what we’ve done.”

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by general borschevsky on Apr 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s been my observation as well. Kaberle used to sift through the neutral zone all the time. Now it seems the Leafs are looking to make a quick short pass to the forwards coming out of their end to get some speed through the nuetral zone.

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by mf37 on Apr 1, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of that’s on our secret Defence of Tomas Kaberle podcast session.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that you mention it, I cant remember the last time I saw a Leaf defenseman who wasnt Phaneuf drive the puck out of their own end, Schenn and Gunnar used to do it once a game or so as well

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

phaneuf is like a rover out there, plays alot like kubina did the last 2 seasons

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

…he is prepared to move on because he is unhappy with the manner in which Wilson coaches the Leafs and the lack of respect he shows for the players.

On the off-chance this is actually true (I know, I know) maybe the players should do something to earn some respect? Maybe Wilson’s style is abrasive, but it’s not like the team deserve better. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt after 5 losing seasons.

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by article1 on Apr 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s the timing of this that really irks me. Ron’s been here for almost 2 full years. Tomas should really know what he’s all about by now.

If he’s THAT sick of playing for Ron, he had the opportunity to ask Burke to trade him last month.
If he’s THAT upset about Ron correctly calling out his veteran D to play better, my sympathy for him is lacking.

Ron called out Beauchemin too (who’s been having an even worse season than Kaberle). Interesting that none of Francois’ “friends” have been chatty.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

All Beauchemin’s friends speak French, Simmons doesn’t

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomas should really know what he’s all about by now.

Which is part of why I don’t believe Tomas is complaining. Doesn’t seem like his style.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle

In the Star:

"I’d like to know who said it … but it’s fun to read that kind of stuff in the papers. If that (dislike of Wilson) was the case, I’d of asked for a trade out of Toronto."

by general borschevsky on Apr 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll buy that Tomas might complain. But unless Tomas is actively trying to piss people off, what does complaining now accomplish?

If he really doesn’t want to play for Wilson anymore, he could have been gone a month ago. Why put up with another 6 weeks with a guy you hate so you can get traded when you have far less control over where you end up? It doesn’t make any sense.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure doesn’t.

Maybe it’s an old story Simmons was bribed into holding onto until after the trade deadline??? (tin foil hats and all that)

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

However

It wouldn’t suprise me if half the team thinks Ron Wilson is a dick. I know I would if he was my coach. Sometimes it works. Bring the players together, by their mutual hatred for the coach.
Doesn’t necessarily mean you would want out though.

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve had a few coaches I thought were assholes personally.

Still liked playing for them.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 1, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, me too. Didn’t mean I wanted out

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I play with a very good player on my indoor soccer team. Sometimes he yells at me. When he does, it’s because I’ve done something wrong. I try to correct it and then he’s nice to me.

Ron Wilson as a coach follows that path. Unfortunately, Kaberle hasn’t raised his game during Wilson’s time to get to the praise part of the program. If he’s around next year and starts off + 5/10 I bet he gets the praise.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

same can apply to a band. Im in a band with someone who is quite the general, if he hears one wrong note he will stop the song and start over. It pisses us off but it makes better in the long run.

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t suprise me if half the team thinks Ron Wilson is a dick…Doesn’t necessarily mean you would want out though.

This is what troubles me about Simmons reporting the feud story supposedly from Kabby’s friend. Simmons is the guy that (it would seem) jumped from “Mats Sundin is seeing a hip doctor” to “Mats Sundin’s career is over because of an untreatable hip injury.” I don’t trust Simmons to recognize that in reporting the friend’s remarks, he’s dealing with hearsay – the friend’s version of a statement to be attributed to Kaberle – responsibly, accurately and without hyperbolic speculation and conclusory nonsense to follow.

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by jrwendelman on Apr 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

but then for all we know it might be the friend who is a tool, Kabby might have told his buddy that "Wilson is kinda a dick sometimes’ to which I have no doubt, there are many people I know who would blow that out of proportion when telling the story to someone else

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 1, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly my point. Simmons seems to me like the kind of guy who doesn’t ask the necessary questions of these “sources” of his to make sure he’s writing about actual events instead of made up stuff.

In my experience, there are plenty of people who are peripherally connected to events in the news that are willing to say just about anything about it to a reporter because it makes them feel important. Telling somebody the “inside scoop” makes them feel like a bigshot, when the reality is that they now jack shit.

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by jrwendelman on Apr 1, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simmons seems to me like the kind of guy who doesn’t ask the necessary questions of these "sources" of his to make sure he’s writing about actual events instead of made up stuff.

Remember when journalists were held accountable for determining if their “sources” statement’s were based on facts, rather than just a story they could spin? I miss that.

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simmons likes to take a quote or source and run with it. I’m sure he weighs the two: Facts vs Eyeballs.
Eyeballs win.
I get the vibe he wants to put his own spin on the likely Kaberle trade this summer and look like a smrat guy for “calling it.”

Honestly, he does write for the Sun. No offence.
Let’s do our part and NOT read any Simmons articles for a bit.

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

*oops “now” = “know”

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by jrwendelman on Apr 1, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bartender: You sure you want another? You’ve had quite a few already….
Simmons: Yeah, I need a drink right now. Slow time at work. People just don’t seem to want to read about the Leafs when their season is pretty much over.
Bartender: Leafs reporter, eh? Ya know, I met Tomas Kaberle once. Seems like a good guy.
Simmons: Ya don’t say…
Bartender: Yeah. Don’t know how he plays for Wilson though, that guy just keeps ragging on him lately.
Simmons: Hmmm…… keep going….
Bartender: I don’t know. Just sayin’, I would think Tomas is probably a little peeved.
Simmons: You willing to go on record?

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by seankelly on Apr 1, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

OMG

how’d you record that?

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by Karina on Apr 1, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, but I wish the bartender would stop yapping BECAUSE I’M STILL WAITING FOR MY BEER OVER HERE

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by jrwendelman on Apr 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hate steve simmons with a serious passion. Can’t believe this douche sits at the same table as dave hodge in the reporters. I hate his glasses too, theyre stupid.

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by pesianator on Apr 1, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Cox also sits at that table…. eww

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 1, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they’ll still both sit at that table after Cox broked to code and ripped Simmons on twitter tonight.

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by Down Goes Brown on Apr 1, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol did he, thats hilarious. I hope they both dont come back i’ll give a thumbs up to that.

Kool as KuKumbers Kulemin.... I don't believe in C's, just like Ron Wilson.

by pesianator on Apr 1, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding

That was pretty brazen.

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by PPP on Apr 1, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and comedic

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 1, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t have to be April 1st for Simmons to be a fool

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 2, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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