Would The Future Power Forwards Please Stand Up...
In the words of Freddy Mercury: "another one's gone, another one bites the dust." The 2009-10 season ended on a partially high note and the Leafs concluded things the way they couldn't begin them by defeating Montreal in OT. While the game itself didn't really assuage the hopes of Leafs Nation, it did provide some interesting fodder for analysis when looking at the Leafs' forward situation in future seasons.
Besides picking up another meaningless 2 points while surrendering a far more meaningful singleton to the Habs, the game showcased yet another potential player who may fill the role of power forward in the future in Christian Hanson. Hanson scored his first 2 goals of the season in its last game - so he showed up a little bit late to the party - but he showcased some solid skills in his efforts. This was particularly obvious on his short handed rush in the third period where he used his speed and protected the puck well on the rush before firing a backhander under the glove hand of Jaroslav Halak.
Christian Hanson 2nd Goal - Leafs 3 vs Habs 3 - Apr 10th 2010 (HD)
The fact that Hanson skated through two Montreal defenders before potting the goal leaves some hope for the future that his hands are not in fact made entirely of stone. His first goal on the night also showcased some good speed for a big man as he outraced the Montreal D in order to beat Halak to a dump in that he swept into the net. Two goals and two excellent showings, more of which will be needed in the future. At this point Hanson is an RFA so Burke will likely re-sign him to a reasonable contract for $1 million or less per season based on his production this year.
Also scoring on the night was fellow NCAA product Viktor Stalberg. Stålberg has shown great flashes of speed and a solid shot off the wing with regularity in his brief work with the Leafs this season which saw him put up 9 goals on the year, which is solid work from a rookie. He also seems to be slowly figuring out that his size and speed are a huge asset on the forecheck as his physical play has kicked up a notch in recent outings.
Viktor Stalberg Goal - Leafs 2 vs Habs 2 - Apr 10th 2010 (HD)
Stålberg's goal against the Habs was more of a beautiful set up by line-mate (and roommate) Tyler Bozak but his finish was top notch. The Leafs lack forwards who seem capable of potting a one timer with regularity so if Stålberg can finish in that fashion in the future, he'll be more likely to push for a spot up front next season.
To finish up the year the Leafs now have Nikolai Kulemin (6'1", 225 lbs), Viktor Stålberg (6'3", 210lbs) and Christian Hanson (6'3", 202lbs) in the mix as well as Luca Caputi (6'3", 200lbs). Brayden Irwin (6'5", 215lbs) made a couple of appearances and down on the farm with the Marlies there are the likes of Ryan Hamilton (6'2", 219lbs), Alex Berry (6'3", 215lbs), and Robert Slaney (6'2", 204lbs). Also in the system are Kenny Ryan (Windsor Spitfires - 6'0", 200lbs), Mikhail Stefanovich (Quebec Remparts - 6'2", 202lbs), Joel Champagne (Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL - 6'4", 215lbs), and Jimmy Hayes (BC Eagles NCAA - 6'5", 210lbs).
That's a collection of 12 forwards who are 24 or younger all of whom stand at least 6' tall and over 200 lbs. They also boast another 10 forwards who are 6' plus and 200 or more lbs. Out of that group, five or six could legitimately be considered prospects to play in the Leafs top 6 forwards. Compare that with some of the top NHL teams including Brian Burke's former clubs Anaheim and Vancouver and you begin to notice something. The Leafs are making a huge push to get bigger, younger, stronger, and more skilled.
Detroit only has 3 roster forwards that are 6' or taller and over 200 lbs as well as another 4 players that big in the AHL (one of whom is Brad May). On Vancouver's current roster and in their system there are only 10 players who fit that mold. On Anaheim's NHL roster and in their system there are 13 forwards who fit that description. San Jose has 9 forwards who make that cutoff and another 4 in their system for a total of 13.
Now again, think about the fact that the Leafs currently have 22 forwards who meet those criteria, 10 of whom were playing in the NHL this season. This is a very explicit example of grabbing as much as you can of one type of player and hoping that one or two of them develop into something you need. That need is a power forward with net presence that puts the puck in the net.
The Leafs have a selection of smaller skilled players either already with the NHL club, or coming up through the ranks with the likes of Phil Kessel, Mikhail Grabovski, Tyler Bozak, and eventually Nazem Kadri, and perhaps Chris DiDomenico, or Jerry D'Amigo. Those guys aren't all necessarily small but they aren't likely to intimidate NHL defenders much from a size perspective.
This season Viktor Stalberg scored 9 goals and added 5 assists for 14 points with the Leafs in 40 games to go along with 30 penalty minutes as a 23 year old rookie. Christian Hanson had 2 goals and 5 assists for 7 points along with 16 penalty minutes in 25 games as a 23 year old rookie. Luca Caputi had a combined 2 goals and 6 assists for 8 points along with 12 penalty minutes with Pittsburgh and Toronto in 23 games this season as a 20 year old.
Nikolai Kulemin has been the most impressive of the bunch this season in his 2nd full year in the NHL. At the age of 23, the native of Magnitogorsk, Russia produced 16 goals and 20 assists for 36 points in 78 games along with 16 penalty minutes. He saw minutes on the top line along with Kessel and Bozak for an extended period at the end of the season and was far from out of place. His defensively responsible game and propensity to play cleanly, skate well, and work diligently along the boards will serve him well in the long run. Unfortunately he may lack enough of a roustabout nature to be a consistent shift disturber in front of the opposition net.
The Leafs are likely hoping that one of those four, or perhaps Brayden Irwin, Alex Berry, Joel Champagne, Ryan Hamilton, Jimmy Hayes, Robert Slaney, or Mikhail Stefanovich steps up to the plate in the future as a budding power forward. Unfortunately power forwards take an inordinately lengthy period of time to develop. Some of the most successful in recent NHL history didn't really hit their stride until they were at least 25 or 26.
Let us consider the likes of Ryan Malone, David Backes, Ryan Clowe, Ryan Kesler, Chris Kunitz, and Johan Franzen:
Malone played 4 years of NCAA hockey with St. Cloud State before jumping to the NHL with Pittsburgh, who drafted him in the 4th round, 115th overall. In his first year at the age of 24 he ripped off 22 goals and 43 points, but he was also a -23 player, and he was playing 18:54 in average ice time on a nightly basis. That's amazingly rare for a rookie, and the Penguins were so bad they could afford to let it happen. He has never greatly improved on those numbers and his best season was three years ago at the age of 28 during his final year in Pittsburgh when he produced 27 goals and 24 assists alongside Crosby and Malkin, playing 19:05 nightly on average and registering 103 penalty minutes. He has only broken the 50 point plateau that one season in his 6 year NHL career.
Backes was drafted in the 2nd round, 62nd overall by the Blues, and is currently 25. He has been playing in the NHL for 3 and a half seasons already. He played 3 years of NCAA hockey with Minnesota State-Mankato and spent part of two seasons in the AHL with the Peoria Rivermen. In his rookie season with the Blues he played 49 games and scored 10 goals and 13 assists for 23 points while playing 13:25 nightly. Last season in 82 games as a 24 year old he put up 31 goals and 23 assists for 54 points to go along with 165 penalty minutes while playing 17:41 nightly. He fell off a bit this past year scoring 17 goals and 31 assists for 48 points and only 106 penalty minutes.
Clowe played in the QMJHL with Rismouski and Quebec for 4 seasons before jumping to the AHL with the Cleveland Barons. He was a 6th round pick of the Sharks and he didn't crack the NHL until he was 23. He played 2 and a half years with the Barons and was slightly less than a point per game player in the AHL when he was promoted to San Jose. In his first 18 games in the NHL he only registered 2 assists and 0 goals. 2006-07 was his first full NHL season but due to injury he only played 58 games. He scored 16 goals and 18 assists for 34 points and added on 78 penalty minutes. His next season was ruined by a knee injury that saw him only play 15 regular season games but he made it back for the playoffs and in 13 playoff games he contributed 5 goals and 4 assists for 9 points. Last year he played 71 games and put up 22 goals and 30 assists for 52 points. Then this year he played a full 82 game schedule scoring 19 goals and 38 assists for 57 points. He also racked up 131 penalty minutes for a career high in the sin bin. He didn't really hit his stride offensively until he was 24 or 25 in the NHL and physically he wasn't quite ornery until this past season as a 27 year old.
Kesler was drafted by Burke and Nonis in Vancouver in the 1st round 23rd overall. He was a player in the US-NTDP and spent one season playing at Ohio State in the NCAA. He only put up 11 goals and 20 assists for 31 points in 40 games. He jumped to the Canucks for 28 games as a 19 year old but he only scored 2 goals and 3 assists for 5 points. The following year was the lockout so he suited up in a full AHL season for the Manitoba Moose and in 78 games he produced 30 goals and 28 assists for 58 points. As a 21 year old in his first full NHL season, he produced 10 goals and 13 assists for 23 points along with 79 penalty minutes in 82 games. The next season he only skated in 48 games due to injury scoring only 6 goals and 10 assists along with 40 penalty minutes. At the age of 23 he improved the following year putting up 21 goals and 16 assists for 37 points while taking on greater responsibility and averaging over 19 minutes of ice time per game. Last year at the age of 24 he broke out a bit, scoring 26 goals and 33 assists for 59 points to go along with a slightly more tame 61 penalty minutes. This year he finally came of age at 25 and put up 25 goals and 50 assists for 75 points to go along with 104 penalty minutes.
Franzen was another later round pick, being selected in the 3rd round 97th overall way back in 2004. He played in Sweden for Linkopings HC from the age of 22 to 25 before coming across to the NHL with the Red Wings in 2005-06. In his rookie NHL season, as a 26 year old, he produced 12 goals and 4 assists in 80 games to go along with 36 penalty minutes while playing 12:27 in ice time per game. Not so earth shattering. Each of the following 5 years have seen his ice time go up and his production has improved to match. He scored 27 goals as a 28 year old and then broke out the following year to score 34 goals and 25 assists for 59 points when he reached the age of 29 last year. He really hit his stride in the playoffs when the Wings last won the Stanley Cup though as he produced 13 goals in 16 games in 2007-08. This year due to injury he only played in 26 games but he scored 10 goals and 11 assists for 21 points in those games.
So where does that leave the Leafs prospects? Well Stålberg and Hanson both played NCAA hockey and both were roughly point per game players at the AHL level immediately. On that front, they're not dissimilar to the majority of those listed above. Stålberg as a rookie averaged 14:37 in ice time and as that increases his point totals likely will also. Hanson similarly only saw 13:22 in average ice time. His confidence and responsibility will likely improve with time. His offensive skill set is less apparent than Stålberg's but he has some skills in the offensive zone and good speed for a big man.
Caputi is not as good a skater as the other two but he is solid down low and appears more inclined to mix it up physically. He has a pedigree of point production in the OHL and AHL, producing a 50-61-111 season for the Niagara Ice Dogs and a 23-24-47 season in 54 games for Wilkes-Barre Scranton this year. He's also younger at only 21 years of age so he likely has more room to develop. With the Leafs at the end of the year he was averaging 14:38 in ice time nightly and that will likely remain at a similar level next season.
Of the group currently with the Leafs, Nikolai Kulemin is the most polished from a developmental perspective. He was selected in the 2nd round by the Leafs having already won a goal scoring title in the Russian Super League and playing alongside the likes of Ovechkin and Malkin. He has a history of playing well alongside other super skilled players. He skates extremely well, has no problem doing the grunt work and being responsible defensively, and his offensive skills are highly under-rated. He is 23 years old and his production increased noticeably this season when he was given more ice time. Going forward, he is likely to receive even more of an opportunity to display those skills and hopefully the Leafs will show progress as well.
Another promising prospect is Jimmy Hayes, who just won a national championship at the NCAA Frozen Four tournament in Michigan on Saturday playing with Boston College. He has only completed two full years of NCAA hockey and is still only 20 but in 42 games he produced 13 goals and 22 assists for 35 points as a sophomore on a team full of high end talent that won it's 2nd national title in three years. He had more points than any other 19 year olds on the team and will likely play an increased role with the team alongside top prospects Cam Atkinson, Ben Smith, Chris Kreider and Philip Samuelsson. It's fairly safe to assume Hayes will play at least another full season at BC before jumping to the NHL as there is no reason to rush the development of a power forward like him.
The Leafs may want to hold off on signing a forward to fill the breech in their skill set as it may stunt the development of the many prospects they have aiming for that gap in the line up. Unfortunately Brian Burke may not have the luxury of waiting on that development and the Leafs may make a move either way. I personally hope the development of these many Leaf forward prospects continues and am curious to see how it takes shape.
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I’m not sure why you think Kesler is a power forward… he rarely powers to anything, his game is based on his speed.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
Speed isn't really the point
The key indicators of a power forward to me in the NHL are hits, penalty minutes, and goals/points with high numbers in all three areas.
25+ goals, 45+ points, 100+ hits, and 100+ PIMs would put a player in the category from my perspective.
Kesler had 25 goals, 75 points, 95 hits, and 104 PIMs. He doesn’t hit enough to quite get there, but he’s more of a power forward than most of the guys on the Leafs.
Stalberg’s game could end up being quite similar. He had 9 goals, 14 points, 64 hits, and 30 penalty minutes in 40 games. Over a full season that would have translated to 18 goals, 29 points, 131 hits, and 62 penalty minutes. His game is also based predominantly on speed, but he showed a propensity to mix it up physically towards the end of the season as he got more involved in scrums in front of the net and even had a couple of fights.
Kesler’s game isn’t that dissimilar to the likes of Troy Brouwer or Andrew Ladd for Chicago, and I would call both of them power forwards.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just going from what I see, and Kesler is NOT a power player. He doesn’t shrug off players like Sundin did. He doesn’t stand in the crease and work hard for his goals. I also see no similarities between his style of play and Brouwer or Ladd, who I both agree with being power forwards. I think my definition of Power Forward just doesn’t match yours though. I see a power forward as someone who uses power to produce, like a Sundin, or a Penner. A strong guy who can shrug off players to do whatever they want. But from your definition, I see what you mean.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright
Well I grant you it’s relatively arbitrary on my part.
I agree with you that ideally a player in this mold will score from the front of the goal, with tip ins, and be a difficult to move force around the net and down low.
You’ve likely watched a lot more of Kesler than I have, so I’ll defer to your assessment. I would actually say Steve Bernier is more of a power forward on the Canucks than Kesler, but his production hasn’t matched his potential, and he was injured a lot this year.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Bernier has the potential to be a power forward, but he’s really stalled.
Burrows is almost the only power forward on the Canucks, really, and he’s rather small for a power forward.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernier's numbers over 82 games this year:
15G, 30P, 146HITS, 29PIM
He doesn’t seem to have enough jam I suppose, but in comparison to the other guys I listed above he isn’t that bad.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he hasn’t played 82 games this year, but yeah he was having a good year prior to his hernia surgery. But he’s still not the type of power forward I think the Leafs need. He’s a 2nd liner at best.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I’d still take him.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wouldn’t. I’d rather give Hanson a try, heck, I even prefer Mitchell.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell as a 2nd liner? I thought we were all in agreement he’s a 3rd/4th liner at best.
As for Hanson, I think he needs more time in the AHL, aside from the game in Montreal he hasn’t been that spectacular.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed, I would prefer to see Mitchell on t he 2nd line than Bernier. Bernier is a known commodity, he’s not very good, and while I hate Mitchell and never want to see him above the 3rd line again, this is how unimpressed with Bernier I am.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernier is not as bad as Mitchell at this point
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Given that Bernier hasn’t played a game in two months, yeah… he is.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You must really hate him.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i doubt Mitchell would play on the Canucks…..theyr pretty damn good
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I think given a larger role on a slim talent Leafs Bernier might surprise. That being said the only we can get him is from a trade. and I’m pretty sure this is tampering.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
they have Matt Pettinger in the line up currently.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity, I used Hockey References season finder
and queried this season for players with 25+ goals, 45+ points and 100+ PIMS (the site doesn’t give hit stats unfortunately) and got back 4 names:
- Burrows
- Malkin
- Perry
- Kesler
Checked these 4 against NHL.com’s Hits stats, and none of them have 100+ hits.
none of those names evokes the words “power forward” for me. I get where you’re coming from with Kesler, and as you admitted, the basis is rather arbitrary, but I’m not sold on the names that meet the criteria.
I think of Dustin Brown in LA, Morrow in DAL, Doan in Phx, Iginla or Ovechkin when i think of prototypical power forwards in the new NHL. Maybe the PIMs number is too high?
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be
but I think, upon further analysis, that the goals and point totals are the numbers that are too high.
Reduce it to 20 goals and 40 points and see who comes up.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the same 4 names
plus Steve Downie
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
you're missing guys like
Steve Ott, Rene Borque, Alex Ovechkin
As I said though, it’s a loose definition in the sense that some guys will be way over on the PIM side, but not score as much, and others will produce more offense but take less penalties.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn’t do the GPG, just flat totals.
seeing Brouwer et all now though…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I dislike Steve Ott
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the way Steve Ott likes it
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuckin’ Steve Ott
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. He’s in the Avery, Cooke, Hartnell, playersthatIhatecatagory for sure.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and do it on a per game basis
which means 0.24 gpg, 0.49 ppg… I used 65 PIMs just to get guys that didn’t play a full 82 game schedule also. Here’s who popped up:
Brouwer, Ryan, Downie, Ott, Guerin, Malone, Morrow, Getzlaf, Rene Borque, Chris Stewart, Perry
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kulemin is pretty much there already, he just needs to up his offensive game a might which I anticipate him doing next season (20ish goals and 55pts)
Caputi is still up in the air, Stalberg isnt so much power as speed with size, Hanson shows flashes but I dunno
the rest are long shots in the brightest of lights
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 12, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Ok
I guess what I’m wondering is do we include the likes of Alexei Ponikarovsky, or Chris Kunitz in the realm of Power Forwards?
What about Ruslan Fedotenko, Nik Antropov, or Marian Hossa?
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd put the likes of
Scott Hartnell and Steve Downie in that realm. Jarome Iginla, James Neal, Milan Lucic, David Clarkson, etc. also belong in there for me.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so here are the stats I'm referring to for all of the above based on an 82 game schedule:
Ponikarovsky: 22G, 53P, 146HITS, 65PIM
Kunitz: 21G, 52P, 184HITS, 64PIM
Fedotenko: 11G, 30P, 135HITS, 50PIM
Hartnell: 14G, 44P, 140HITS, 155PIM
Downie: 23G, 48P, 145HITS, 216PIM
Iginla: 32G, 69P, 86HITS, 58PIM
Neal: 28G, 58P, 183HITS, 67PIM
Lucic: 15G, 33P, 231HITS, 72PIM
Clarkson: 20G, 43P, 176HITS , 152PIM
Not all of them have 25 goals, or 45 points or 100 hits, or 100 PIMs… but as a general theme it seems to be a reasonably consistent set of measures.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
mmm…James Neal. He would look great in Leafs Blue and White. (Clarkson too, for that matter)
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate Steve Downie
He’s going to be a beast apparently. He’s like Sean Avery but more productive… too much sideshow for my taste though frankly.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
has he produced much sideshow this year? I don’t recall there being anything, but I don’t exactly follow Tampa.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
20+ goals
and I’m a huge Steve Downie advocate. I think he’s just what the Leafs need.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
his play was great this year, I meant if he did any of the stupid, distracting stuff…
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m sure he did, but oh well. He’s Tucker 2.0
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Stewart of the Av’s is a power forward in the making.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
sure is
and he isn’t going anywhere…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Durno’s a UFA again this summer.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
WE WANT DURNO!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny story
One of my co-workers injured Durno in a fight in elementary school… true story. I shall protect their name though.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with Blurr here. I’d take that downie as sideshow Cecil for sure! The leafs need more crazy, especially if crazy means goals. Downie would a team fave within weeks.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 12, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mainly the slewfoot on Crosby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHeh3tyUL10
Of course Crosby sold it like it was on sale. Otherwise, he has reigned it in a fair bit. Tocchet? Playing with some skilled guys?
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember when the bruins played Tampa, he had a dirty hit on Miroslav Satan, so Chara went to fight him, and Dwonie turtled. That’s all I can remeer. he scored two goals in that game to, BTW.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i care more about the two goals than the “turtling”
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He only had 8 fights
but he registered over 200 penalty minutes…
That doesn’t happen unless you toss in a few misconducts.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
4 misconducts + 1 full game misconduct.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
hrnm
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Downie is not a player that I like. borderline dirty.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Downie is not a player that I like.borderlinedirty.
There… fixed.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Darcy Tucker
had multiple seasons with ZERO misconducts.
Even Tie Domi never really had more than 5 in a season.
He’s got some sideshow to him… for sure.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but it’s a different NHL now, a lot more restrictive. You could argue for a number that Tucker probably deserved, and we still loved him. Plus, Downie is much more skilled than either Domi or Tucker.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
but I suppose if I compared him to Sean Avery… I should be looking at Avery’s numbers.
The penalty minutes and dirty play are what bother me. He also has a history of doing some pretty stupid crap with his own teammates in junior, let alone to his opponents.
Akim Aliu might have something to say about it…
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it really that bad, or is it just that it’s the only hazing incident we’ve heard about?
I dunno, I’m not defending him, but there’s a lot of bad crap t hat goes on in junior if rumours are to be believed.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Downie's history
includes a number of on ice blow ups also. He’s gone bonkers in the past… I just don’t think I’m a fan.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonnes that goes on…but that one blew up. And the rookie rarely fights back the way Aliu did.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he fought Ovechkin and Bradley in the same game.
I get that people don’t like him for past aggressions, but he can play hockey better than most NHL pests (argualbly, better than all current NHL pests)
If I had to look for a historic comparable player, Esa Tikkanen is the name that pops up in my mind.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he is a pretty good pest. I think he found a home in TB and they will retain him.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not like Downie. I would not want him on my team.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…too much circus. Hard for a player like that to find a good fit, and he seems to have found one in TB.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Bruins fan, I look at the Leafs and see a better team next year. I can see the Leafs competing for a playoff spot, but not getting in. Maybe a team simaler to this years Atlanta Thrashers.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
IMPROVEMENT!!!11
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I see improvement.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
there’s nowhere else to go but up.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t feel bad, you could be the Edmonton Oilers. :)
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If any of our players demand a trade out of Toronto, I’m going to be pissed (Not including Mayers or XLB, ’cause frankly, who gives a shit)
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 12, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll take Kessel back :)
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
XLB’s a UFA.. He’s no longer a Leaf.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya I just meant they did demand request a trade, but no one cared.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 12, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wondering; Do Leafs fans regret trading that draft pick, or are they happy with Kessel?
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
Happy with Kessel!
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting. I can say I am happy with the pick we have now, but I do wish the Bruins had someone like Kessel for scoring. I guess you can’t have both, though I wish Charelli replaced him with someone.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
well next year, if Chara has a better year, Rask takes over as #1 goalie, and Hall or Seguin steps into the line up, the Bruins should be fine.
Honestly, this year’s pick doesn’t bother me at all. I just don’t want the Bruins to draft high again next year.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of “winning” the deal, it won’t be known until the 2 picks are drafted and are playing in the NHL.
But happy with Kessel? Definitely. Needs more support though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 12, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree there. I’m hoping the Bruins go after Seaguin, he would advance to the top line right away. Him and Savard on the same line would be nasty.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
seguin and savard are both centres
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Seaguin was a wing? or was that Hall? I could’ve sworn it was Seaguin.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall is LW, Seguin is C.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure hall is a winger and tyler plays centre
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
OK. That changes my thinking. I want Hall now. They need a scoring winger.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
just make sure you trade him to us in 3 years
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure Charelli would do something stupid like that.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you're new
aren’t you?
;)
i think most fans are hopeful to see how it all pans out but certainly concerned. I mean, we came in 2nd last overall and dont’ ahve a high pick to look forward to for our troubles. Couple that with the prospect of maybe being in the same boat next year, and we’re in uncharted waters.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the lucic-savard-kessel line was awesome last season, the leafs need to get that power forward (potentially kulemin) and centre(kadri?) to play with kessel
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a great line. I loved watching it. Yeah, you need a power foward and a good center to play with him to get the best of his ability.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont really like seeing kessel carry the puck out of his own zone so much, he does a decent job of it but like don cherry pointed out on saturday they need someone to hit him with a pass at full speed through the neutral zone
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s waht made him so good with savard.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, but still he managed to score 30 without him in an injury shortened season with no training camp. its nice to see he can still do it without a ‘playmaking centre’ but i still beleive he needs one to get to the 40-50 goal range when he peaks at 25-27 years old
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bozak as his pivot + Bobby Ryan on the left (assuming Burke could make it happen) = Good Gawd
Also, the RBK line? The NHL would eat that shit up.
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bobby ryan… that would be sweet. but im not holding my breath on that one. Anaheim would be stupid to let him walk
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t see Ryan leaving Anaheim. A guy that might fit with you guys is Blake Wheeler. He’s a free agent this off-season, and I personally like him, but I doubt he stays with Boston at this point.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
burke does like the college kids
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake Wheeler is friends with Phil Kessel!
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil “cancer in the bruins locker room” Kessel? friends with a bruin?! get out of town
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s also friends with Savard, he tryed to convince him to not take the extension and sign with toronto in the offseason.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he specifically said “sign with toronto”, I think he just said “you should test the Free Agent market”
But I mean, it was obvious he was inferring that he should walk on the Bruins and cash in in Toronto. Hopefully taking a discount doesn’t bite him in the ass in a few seasons when he’s racking up 100+ point seasons again at 2/3rds what he could be making. (assuming he gets another sniper on his wing again)
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 12, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
if he did mention toronto it was probably something like “hey man, toronto is awesome, give it a thought”
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 12, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know a lot of players didn’t like him though. Shawn thornton hated the guy.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Shawn Thornton can win games all on his own, his opinion should carry a lot of weight…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Thornton. He’s had a decent year, and he was the only one to have the guts to stand up to Cooke.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, standing up to Cooke does not take guts…..the guy got ko’d by an 18 year old
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a team thing though….thornton deserves applause but its not guts IMO
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I’m just comparing him to the rest of the so called team.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Chara, leading by example…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
As in ex-Hab Michale Ryder? Quelle surprise.
by Wallin Apologist on Apr 12, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they went to college together.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe part of the reason Wheeler signed in Boston was because of Kessel.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think so to.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well than, welcome to Toronto Blake Wheeler
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 12, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can see that happening, unfortunutley. I’m a Wheeler fan, a lot Bruins fans are not, but I am.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Erm they did take Blake and Toskala in the SAME deal off our hands.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, but they dumped giggys slaary, traded toskala almost right away and blake has actually played well for them. Its not as bad from anaheim perspective as it seems
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness they traded him to Calgary, the NHL’s dumping ground, so that hardly counts.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
any more exleafs need a home after this season?….Exelby?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake has played just as well in ANA as he did in TO.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no
everyone keeps saying Blake played like crap here, when he never did.
The length of his contract was the worst thing about him. Otherwise, he was a good player.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he made $4 mill a year, which is actually right where someone scoring like he did should be
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The same could be said for Finger, if he was paid say, $2 Million less, he wouldn’t be a bad #6/7. But the fact is he was paid to score goals, and he didn’t perform at that level, unfair on him, but that’s how it goes.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I always like Jason Blake. Was he that bad in Toronton?
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Points-wise he did ok, attitude/learning-wise he was brutal. Same tricks, never changed his game or tried to improve it. That’s what bothered me the most.
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he also loved to coast back on D sometimes. Other times’ he’d backcheck hard. But Defensively he was overall pretty bad. Offensively as PPP said he was stale as hell just the same ol thing and he had a propensity for shooting right into the logos on the goalies.
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by Chuck Diesel on Apr 12, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
he was paid to put up points, and he did. two seasons of over 50 points.
if you think he was signed to put up goals, get mad at JFJ for thinking one season of 40 goals was the average, and not the outlier.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 12, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I said unfair on him.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with that. Boy, could the bruins use him right now….
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
power forward is kulemin, bozak is centre. it’s already shown to be super lethal when they play together.
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by Chuck Diesel on Apr 12, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's another thing to think about
By the time the draft pick is made, and the kid is in the NHL in a year, Kessel will be 23, will have almost 300 games of NHL experience, and will have already scored 96 NHL goals.
If Hall or Seguin can produce 90+ goals in their first 300 games in the NHL before the age of 23 then I guess things are comparable, but not a lot of players get that done. I’m witholding judgement.
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by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly, im still on the fence. Im still in wait and see mode
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, nice tagline.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
haha thanks. my friend told that to me once and i laughed as well
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Way off topic.
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I was just curious. Seeing I was talking to Leafs fans, I figured I would ask.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re new so it’s ok but general, random questions go in the morning links post so that we can keep the other posts on topic.
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OK, thanks. I just like getting other fans perspectives. Thanks for the heads up though, I don’t mean any trouble.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I know :)
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I’m happy with Kessel. If anything Boston getting a top 2 pick from this years somewhat weak draft (our prospect from the previous years draft is putting up a comparable effort to the top two picks of this years draft) makes the trade a bit more even.
Since I have no problem with even trades that work out for both teams (thats why trades are made) then woot.
Both. Seriously.
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by kidkawartha on Apr 12, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
For all we know
the Bruins get the 3rd pick overall tonight.
If they do, Leaf fans will breathe a large sigh of relief… even if Cam Fowler turns out to be a Norris candidate with regularity, we won’t hear about it incessantly for the next 5 years until the kids develop.
Actually we probably will no matter what, but Hall or Seguin would be more annoying.
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The lottery is tomorrow night. I hope the Bruins don’t get the third!!! That would ruin the deal for Boston right there. They need Hall or Seaguin. Either way, Charelli will likley scre it up.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, I love the confidence you have in your GM.
What do you think about Lucic’s contract?
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t hate it. Lucic is a good player. He was injured earlier this year, a high ankle sprain, and that slowed him down for sure. I think it will be a good deal in the end. it’s the Wideman and Ryder ones that bother me.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wideman had an awesome year last year though, didn’t he?
Yeah, that Ryder one was suspect the minute it was signed.
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Wideman was good last year. About as bad as you can get this year. He’s so bad, Bruins fans have started a campaign to replace him with a traffic cone. Not kidding.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. I could not stop laughing when I read it for real. He’s getting booed out of town. Even when he scores, bruins fans boo at his name.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
hes getting the larry murphy treatment
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 12, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
All I know about Wideman is that he sucks.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
waste of a draft pick for me…..i kept hoping and then i dropped him for stralman.
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Yeah, bad pick, lol.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
game vs. Habs wasn't meaningless
Besides picking up another meaningless 2 points while surrendering a far more meaningful singleton to the Habs,
Because the Leafs held the Habs to only the one point, rather than losing the game, the Habs ended up as the 8th seed and now face the 120 point Washington Ovechkins. They’re gonna get steamrolled in 4 games, just like last year.
by Peter de Chatham on Apr 12, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
why oh why isn’t there an edit button….
by Peter de Chatham on Apr 12, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a delete button.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 12, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I have one
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a preview button.
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, did everyone leave?
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
there’s a few other posts we’ve migrated too (also, come visit us in the Chatty Cathy, which is quiet today)
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by Karina on Apr 12, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
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by bestbostonsports on Apr 12, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Stålberg has shown great flashes of speed and a solid shot off the wing
disagree. he takes far too long to load the shot and his accuracy is at best average.
When he gets it off, like on that goal, it’s a pretty good shot.
Off the rush: like you said, not very good.
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Sweet feeds from Bozak can make anyone look good. But ya, he’s a big body that goes to the net on a rush… don’t think he’s figured out how to translate that into the back of the net though, the shots are always pretty weak and predictable.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 12, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps kessel can maybe teach him some tricks for a better release. There needs to be more peer mentoring going on.
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by Chuck Diesel on Apr 12, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Since the deadline he’s .55 ppg, which would be in the top 150 among NHL forwards over a full season.
By definition there can be no more than 180 Top 6 forwards in the NHL.
He’s a rookie. He has room to improve but I’m perfectly happy with his development thus far. I mean, Kule was only .42 ppg last year.
I know you’re not calling him a “bust” but a lot of people seem to have already given up on him and are casting about for much more expensive Top 6 guys who may not be any better in even the short to medium term.
by The '67 Sound on Apr 12, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like the team to give Stalberg
a shot at a full season in the top 6, playing roughly 15-18 minutes a game.
He’s defensively responsible enough to kill penalties, and he skates like the wind, so I’d like to think he could pot 20+ goals over a full season once he figured out how to use his size properly.
As for his shot, I will acknowledge that isn’t a Wendel Clark special, and his shooting percentage is a tad low, but that’s mainly because he’s firing from bad angles, and doing so with more regularity than the vast majority of the other guys on the Leafs.
If he learned to hold off on the shot, and either go down below the goal line to start the cycle, or perhaps cut into the middle with that big body of his, I think his goal totals would go up quite a bit.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
If he could play 82 games with (say) Grabbo and Kadri, get 15-16 MPG (2 on the PP) and go something like 20-25-45 I’d be delighted. And I see no reason to think he’s not capable of it.
by The '67 Sound on Apr 12, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
who the hell voted for Braden Irwin?
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Apr 12, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
his mom?
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Apr 12, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly
the vote appears to be purely an effort in familiarity checking.
If you look at the breakdown, Kulemin leads by a wide margin = longest serving leaf other than Kaberle. Next up is Caputi, Stalberg, and Hanson, in a virtual dead heat. All 3 are basically rookies who have played less than half a season.
Then you’ve got Hayes, the Leafs 2nd round draft pick from last year who just played on a Frozen Four champion, Champagne a 5th round pick who is in the QMJHL playoffs still, and then Irwin (fresh signing), Hamilton (Marlie who was injured half the year), and DeVane (tough guy but not much of a scorer as a prospect).
Frankly I might as well have been polling for popularity amongst Leaf fans… lol.
I’m honestly not sure that the vote will have any correlation to the final results in the NHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Apr 12, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But surely you’d agree Kulemin has the best chance since he’s already demonstrated he can be a successful “power forward” in the NHL in the sense of using his size and strength to get into scoring position, and using his skills to convert those chances. None of the others have proven it yet and frankly every one of them but Stalberg or Caputi are extreme longshots to ever be as good as Kulemin is today. None of them have ever been considered elite prospects. Hayes was 5th in scoring on BC and is older than 3 of the 4 ahead of him. Champagne didn’t crack the Top 10 in Q scoring despite being an overager. Irwin will be lucky to be a 4th liner—only cracked .5 PPG in the NCAA as a 23 yr old senior (and for what little it’s worth looked terrible in his cameo this year). DeVane? Give me a break. He’s a fighter, not a power forward. Career high of 17 points in the OHL. Ryan Hamilton turns 25 in 3 days and put up a whopping .53 PPG in the AHL.
I will be stunned if any of these other than Kule, Stalberg, Hanson or Caputi have any impact at the NHL level.
In short, I think the vote will have an awful lot of correlation to NHL success.
Or do you disagree? Who gets your vote?
by The '67 Sound on Apr 12, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think power forward is hard to define statistically
A power forward is a guy with good puck possession who bulls his way to the net. Keeps himself in the crease for garbage goals and digs in the corners well to put the puck to the talented players.
In my eyes there are 4 ‘star’ power forwards in the league:
Getzlaf, Perry, Iggy, Ovie.
Then the prototypical power forwards are guys like D. Brown. I have seen Kuleimin develop similarly to Brown with more defensive responsibility and I like it.
I think its reasonable to expect a 20-25 G 50 pt season out of Kulemin next year.
Regarding power forwards
Just going through the posts, one name not mentioned. Ryan Getzlaf. I would believe he fits the mold of a true power forward. 08/09 season. 25g 66a 121 pim 134 hits. played in 66 games this year. 19g 50a 79 pim 178 hits. over 82 games 23g 62a 98 pim 221 hits.
Ya’ll act like you’ve never seen a whit person before
Jaws all on the floor, like Pam…..
wait, sorry, got carried away there.
But the correct answer is Kulemin .
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 12, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions

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