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Who Could Use Tomas Kaberle?

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Let's be honest - the utterly dreadful season that we've just ensured, and the lack of a first-round pick has really limited the topics available to us as fans to talk about this season. As a result, we as a community have returned to a very sensitive topic time after time; what to do this summer with Tomas Kaberle.

I have noticed a few things about these discussions. First, there is no general consensus on this topic; the opinions pretty much run the gamut of emotions, from Chemmy at one end, who is likely to take another trip back to Toronto to help Tomas pack his bags, to Eyebeleaf at the other end who will likely go with Tomas to the airport, hugging him and crying for him not to go, and everything in between.

Second, the questions typically focus on two main questions: When will Tomas be traded? (Chemmy: Yesterday. Eye: NEVAR!!!1) and Why should we trade him? (Chemmy: He's terrible defensively, he's a free agent, etc, etc.  Eye: Best Leafs D Ever!!!1 Blurr: Carter and a 1st!)

However, for all the energy spent discussing these two topics, there is one question that has been neglected. What teams are a good fit for a trade with Tomas? The point of this fanpost is to generate discussion about who might make a good trading partner, and what we could expect back in such a trade. I'll offer my opinions on who makes a good trading partner, then open up the floor to you fine folks to make an offer on behalf of Burkie.

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*All figures per Capgeek.com*
Salary Committed for 2010-11 includes bonuses, cap space remaining is based on the projected cap of $57.7M

Anaheim Ducks
2010-11 Roster - 18 players, $37.9M committed, including bonuses (about $19.8M cap space)
Defence under contract: Lubomir Visnovsky, Steve Eminger, Nathan Oystrick, Brett Festerling
D Prospects: Luca Sbisa, Mark Mitera

Anaheim's an intriguing possibility, if only because of Burke's history with the Ducks, and the pending RFA status of Bobby Ryan. The Ducks are in a pretty good place cap-wise, but it's possible that they have to replace Scott Niedermayer, Teemu Selanne and Saku Koivu  We'll give them a MAYBE

Atlanta Thrashers
2010-11 Roster - 12 players, $33.8M committed (about $23.9M cap space)
Defence under contract: Ron Hainsey, Tobias Enstrom, Johnny Oduya, Zach Bogosian, Boris Valabik, Arturs Kulda
D Prospects: Ivan Vishnevsky

I don't see Atlanta being a prime candidate for a trade. For one, Enstrom and Bogosian are strong puck-movers and handle the PP duties. Second, those two plus Hainsey and Oduya form an adequate top 4, and all 4 make over $3M. Finally, the team is trying to rebuild after the loss of Kovalchuk, and may also need to replace Kozlov and Armstrong, possibly even Kubina. Adding a guy like Kaberle doesn't help that process along. I say NO

Boston Bruins
2010-11 Roster - 16 players, $51.8M committed (about $5.9M cap space)
Defence under contract: Zdeno Chara, Dennsi Wideman, Andrew Ference, Matt Hunwick, Jeff Penner
D Prospects: Cam Fowler

With only about $6M to sign 7 players, it's unlikely they'd use over 70% of that on one player, unless they sent a bad contract back the other way. Still, Kaberle would slot in nicely on the Bruins PP with Chara, and their strong defensive system would hide his deficiencies. Would Leaf fans be able to handle sending three picks and their best defenceman since Salming to Boston in a calendar year? Depending on the return, MAYBE

Buffalo Sabres
2010-11 Roster - 15 players, $45.5M committed (about $12.2M cap space)
Defence under contract: Craig Rivet, Steve Montador, Tyler Myers, Andrej Sekera, Chris Butler
D Prospects: Mike Weber

Another intriguing possibility. Lydman and Tallinder are UFAs, so room and cap space are available to fit Kaberle in. Buffalo's another team with a strong defensive identity that could mask some of Kaberle's deficiencies, and a very young team could use another veteran presence (albeit a quiet one). I think depending on what happens in the playoffs, Buffalo could possibly see Kaberle as a player to push them to the next level next season. And Buffalo lights us up anyways, so it's not like having Kaberle on their team will change anything. YES

Calgary Flames
2010-11 Roster - 17 players, $53.8M committed (about $3.9M cap space)
Defence under contract: Jay Bouwmeester, Robyn Regehr, Cory Sarich, Steve Staios, Mark Giordano, Adam Pardy
D Prospects: Tim Erixon, John Negrin, TJ Brodie

Let's be quick. A team without enough cap space to fit his contract in, with over $10M tied up in its top 2, and in complete disarray pretty much ever since the last trade they made with the Leafs is not going to be lining up to trade for Tomas. NO

Carolina Hurricanes
2010-11 Roster - 13 players, $41.2M committed (about $16.4M cap space)
Defence under contract: Joni Pitkanen, TIm Gleason
D Prospects: Jamie McBain, Brett Carson

Carolina's in the midst of a pretty big overhaul of its roster, especially on the back-end with only 2 D under contract and 2 young D expected to step into the lineup full-time next season. Carolina's no stranger to having a Kaberle on its blueline, employing Tomas' brother for several years. The question is whether the presence of offensively-minded defenders PItkanen and Gleason will scare off Carolina from making a move for another one. We'll give them a MAYBE

Chicago Blackhawks
2010-11 Roster - 14 players, $57.6M committed (about $0 cap space)
Defence under contract: Brian Campbell, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Brent Sopel
D Prospects: Dylan Olsen, Nick Leddy (neither appear to be close to ready)

Wow. Chicago's offseason is going to be tremendous to watch. They already have spent to the cap and have 9 players to sign, including RFAs Niemi, Ladd, Eager and Hjalmarsson. I can't see Chicago's need for Kaberle with puck-movers like Campbell, Keith and Seabrook on board, and they're going to be looking to dump bad salary. I'm going to say NO, just because I can't conceive a trade involving Kaberle that gets them under the cap and actually makes sense on both sides.

Colorado Avalanche
2010-11 Roster - 13 players, $31.5M, committed (about $26.2M cap space)
Defence under contract: Scott Hannan, John-Michael Liles, Kyle Cumiskey, Ryan Wilson
D Prospects: Kevin Shattenkirk, Stefan Elliott, Colby Cohen

The good news: Colorado has a good amount of cap space, a need for a puck-moving D, and a number of young prospects that Burke could ask for. The bad news: A chunk of that cap space could be eaten up by RFAs Mueller, Quincey, Stewart and Porter, and UFAs like Chris Durno. We'll say MAYBE

Columbus Blue Jackets
2010-11 Roster - 18 players, $48M committed (about $9.6M cap space)
Defence under contract: Mike Commodore, Rostislav Klesla, Fedor Tyutin, Jan Hejda, Kris Russell, Marc Methot
D Prospects: John Moore

The Jackets seem to have the majority of their roster in place, although considering their finish this season that may not be a good thing. A trade for a big-name could really shake things up, though I don't know if Kaberle is the guy for them what with a full complement of D already signed, plus RFA Anton Stralman and 2009 1st round pick John Moore (who from what I've read is as one-dimensional as Kaberle). With all those puck-movers, I'd say NO

Dallas Stars
2010-11 Roster - 16 players, $39.7M committed (about $18M cap space)
Defence under contract: Stephane Robidas, Trevor Daley, Karlis Skrastins, Mark Fistric, Philip Larsen, Jeff Woywitka
D Prospects: Larsen

Dallas is currently in the middle of a big change in direction, with mainstays Turco, Modano and Lehtinen all set to leave. They have cap space, and the only RFAs of note are James Neal and Matt Niskanen. A power-play with Robidas and Kaberle would be really something to watch. The question is whether the Stars decide to reinvest in the forwards and goaltending first. Are they a possibile destination? YES

Detroit Red Wings
2010-11 Roster - 12 players, $39.9M committed (about $17.8M cap space)
Defence under contract: Brian Rafalski, Brad Stuart, Niklas Kronwall, Jonathan Ericsson
D Prospects: Jakub Kindl, Brendan Smith

Another team in transition, the old guard of the Red Wings is nearing its end, wiith UFAs Nik Lidstrom, Tomas Holmstrom and Kirk Maltby all in their late 30s. I doubt Detroit feels Kaberle is its primary target wth Rafalksi, a better version of kaberle, under contract for 2 more seasons. I will say NO

Edmonton Oilers
2010-11 Roster - 14 players, $42M committed (about $15.7 cap space)
Defence under contract: Sheldon Souray, Tom Gilbert, Ryan Whitney, Ladislav Smid, Taylor Chorney
D Prospects: None of note

I doubt Edmonton really considers Kaberle a viable option. They're trying to rebuild again around Eberle, MPS and Hall/Seguin, they're dealing with yet another vet who wants out, and a team that was even worse than the Leafs defensively probably doesn't need an all O/no D defenceman. NO

Florida Panthers
2010-11 Roster - 19 players, $50.4 committed (about $7.3 cap space)
Defence under contract: Bryan McCabe, Keith Ballard, Bryan Allen, Dmitri Kulikov, Keaton Ellerby
D Prospects: Jason Garrison

Florida's made no effort to hide the fact they are interested in blowing things up, so adding a puck-mover isn't high on their priority list. They also have Keith Ballard and promising rookie Kulikov in the fold. Too bad, Kaberle could use some sun. NO

Los Angeles Kings
2010-11 Roster - 15 players, $46.6M committed (about $10M cap space)
Defence under contract: Drew Doughty, Rob Scuderi, Matt Greene, Jack Johnson, Davis Drewiske, Peter Harrold
D Prospects: Thomas Hickey, Vyacheslav Voynov, Colton Teubert

LA's building a very nice foundation and has an absolute stud in Doughty. They have a raft of prospects that could start moving in in the next two years, so I don't see them going out and acquiring somebody like Tomas that might mess that up. NO

Minnesota Wild
2010-11 Roster - 17 players, $48.4 committed (about $9.3M cap space)
Defence under contract: Marek Zidlicky, Brent Burns, Nick Schultz, Cam Barker, Greg Zanon, Clayton Stoner
D Prospects: Tyler Cuma, Marco Scandella

Minnesota might see a PP specialist as something they need to help re-establish themselves in the West, especially as they try and shake off the long-time tag as a defence first, second and third team. Although I don't know if the presence of Zidlciky and Barker will affect that, or whether they'll use their cap space to add up front. MAYBE

Montreal Canadiens
2010-11 Roster - 13 players, $44.9M committed (about $12.7M cap space)
Defence under contract: Andrei Markov, Roman Hamrlik, Jaroslav Spacek, Hal Gill, Josh Gorges, Ryan O'Byrne
D Prospects: P.K. Subban, Yannick Weber, Mathieu Carle

Let's see. $13M available to sign 10 players, and they have to try and re-sign Plekanec and both (one?) of their goalies. Barely play defence as it is, so adding an offence first guy doesn't help. 6D already under contract, and they probably want to make room for Subban. About the only reason it would make sense for Montreal to acquire Kaberle is so that he stops lighting them up every time he plays against them. This is a NO

Nashville Predators
2010-11 Roster - 16 players, $42.4M committed (about $15.3M cap space)
Defence under contract: Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Kevin Klein
D Prospects: Ryan Ellis, Jonathon Blum

The cap space figure is completely meaningless for Nashville, since they aren't a team that spends anywhere close to the cap limit. Hornqvist and Franson will take up a lot of Nashville's remaining budget, and that's before even asking what they do with Dan Hamhuis or Dan Ellis, both potential UFAs. At least one of Blum or Ellis should be with the club next season, and Ellis might end up being a better version of Kaberle. I don't see Nashville breaking open the piggy bank for a guy like Kaberle. NO

New Jersey Devils
2010-11 Roster - 15 players, $41.3M committed (about $16.3M cap space)
Defence under contract: Colin White, Bryce Salvador, Andy Greene, Anssi Salmela
D Prospects: Matt Corrente, Alexander Urbom

Hard to read what New Jersey is on the market until we see what happens with David Clarkson (RFA), Ilya Kovalchuk (UFA) and Paul Martin (UFA). Jersey's another one of those teams that play such a rigid defensive style that they could hide Kaberle's defensive deficiencies. But if they decide to pay Kovalchuk $10M, they may not have the money to take him on. Still, Kaberle teeing up Kovalchuk for one-timers on the PP? Yikes. MAYBE

New York Islanders
2010-11 Roster - 16 players, $36.1M committed (about $21.5M cap space)
Defence under contract: Mark Streit, Radek Martinek, Anton Klementyev, Bruno Gervais, Andrew MacDonald, Jack HIllen
D Prospects: Calvin de Haan, Travis Hamonic

Another team for whom the cap space figure is meaningless. The Islanders are completely committed to building around their young foundation, and aren't in a position to add a vet with Kaberle's skill set, especially with Mark Streit running the PP. NO

New York Rangers
2010-11 Roster - 14 players, $45.2M committed (about $12.5M cap space)
Defence under contract: Wade Redden, Michal Rozsival, Matt Gilroy, Michael Del Zotto
D Prospects: Derek Stepan, Bobby Sanguinetti

Much of the cap space will be tied up in new contracts for Dan Girardi, Marc Staal and whatever insanely overpriced free agent Sather picks up this summer. More importantly, would any sane GM try to acquire Kaberle when the four defence he has under contract are all offensively minded? Then again, Glen Sather is not a sane GM. MAYBE

Ottawa Senators
2010-11 Roster - 19 players, $51.1M committed (about $6.6M cap space)
Defence under contract: Filip Kuba, Chris Phillips, Jared Cowan, Erik Karlsson, Brian Lee, Matt Carkner
D Prospects: Karlsson, Cowan

Foligno, Regin and Volchenkov (assuming he re-signs) tie up most of the cap space. Karlsson should be taking on a more prominent role next season, including more PP time. Plus, it's Toronto and Ottawa. What are the odds of them ever getting together on a trade? NO

Philadelphia Flyers
2010-11 Roster - 16 players, $49.2M committed (about $8.4M cap space)
Defence under contract: Kimmo Timonen, Chris Pronger, Matt Carle, Oskars Bartulis
D Prospcets: Kevin Marshall

Other than Bryadon Coburn, the Flyers don't have to resign anyone of real consequence, except for their never-ending search for a #1 goalie. So there is potentially money available to make a deal. But with so much money tied up in Timonen and Pronger, adding Kaberle could make their cap headache worse. Philly does like to make a splash. MAYBE

Phoenix Coyotes
2010-11 Roster - 14 players, $31.3M committed (about $26.4M cap space)
Defence under contract: Ed Jovanovski, Jim Vandermeer, Kurt Sauer, Keith Yandle
D Prospects: Oliver Ekman-Larsson, David Schlemko

Phoenix's biggest cap challenge is going to be adding enough salary to hit the cap floor. Wolski, Upshall and Hanzal are all RFAs, and they have several UFAs to decide whether to resign. There's uncertainty surrounding almost every facet of this organization that it's hard to read what will happen, but Kaberle could be an effective addition if Phoenix needs to add salary and solidify its place in the competitive West. MAYBE

Pittsburgh Penguins
2010-11 Roster - 15 players, $45.5M committed (about $12.2M cap space)
Defence under contract: Brooks Orpik, Kris Letang, Alex Goligoski
D Prospects: Simon Despres

The Pens don't have any RFAs to worry about, so if the Pens decide to let some of their UFAs walk, they might look to the market for replacements. If Gonchar, Eaton and Leopold all leave, there could definitely be room here for Kaberle, although is Pittsburgh interested in replacing Gonchar or transitioning his PP time to Letang and Goligoski? MAYBE

San Jose Sharks
2010-11 Roster - 12 players, $37.7M committed (about $20M cap space)
Defence under contract: Dan Boyle, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Doug Murray, Kent Huskins, Jason Demers
D Prospects: Nick Petrecki, Demers

The Sharks have a number of key free agents to try and re-sign (including Marleau, Pavelski, Setoguchi and Nabokov) along with about half their team, and they don't have that much money to do it with. A failure to go far in the playoffs might lead to calls to move in an entirely new direction. They also already have a player in Boyle who does everything Kaberle does only better. This is not an option. NO

St. Louis Blues
2010-11 Roster - 12 players, $30.2M committed (about $27.5M cap space)
Defence under contract: Eric Brewer, Barrett Jackman, Roman Polak
D Prospects: Alex Pietrangelo, Ian Cole, Jonas Junland

David Perron, Erik Johnson, Junland and Chris Mason need to be resigned. Tkachuk is retiring, and if Kariya comes back it will be for significantly less. There's definitely money for St. Louis to play with. They'll certainly bring Pietrangelo up for good next year, so they might not be in need of one year of Kaberle. It depends which of the last two years they view as the aberration. MAYBE

Tampa Bay Lightning
2010-11 Roster - 13 players, $45.5M committed (about $12.2M cap space)
Defence under contract: Andrej Meszaros, Mattias Ohlund, Victor Hedman, Matt Walker, Matt Lashoff, Matt Smaby, Scott Jackson
D Prospects: Lashoff

They have just over $1M/player avaialble to fill out their roster.(and 5 forwards under contract) They have 7 defence already under contract, and I've only heard of 3 of the ones they do. They have a ton of question marks, and adding Kaberle makes zero sense at this point in time. NO

Vancouver Canucks
2010-11 Roster - 17 players, $49.1M committed (about $8.6M cap space)
Defence under contract: Kevin Bieksa, Sami Salo, Alex Edler, Christian Ehrhoff, Andrew Alberts
D Prospects: None of note

They have the core of their roster all locked up, and have a little bit of money available to add depth. This is another team that depending on what happens in the playoffs will influence their decision. Perhaps Vancouver feels it needs to acquire an elite puck-mover to compete against the likes of Detroit, San Jose and Chicago, all of whom have one. MAYBE

Washington Capitals
2010-11 Roster - 13 players, $36.7M committed (about $21M cap space)
Defence under contract: Mike Green, Tom Poti, John Erksine, John Carlson, Tyler Sloan
D Prospects: Karl Alzner, Carlson

Much of this cap space will be earmarked for Backstrom, Fleischmann, Fehr, Schultz and a replacement for Jose Theodore. More importantly, does a team with Green, Poti, Carlson and Alzner need to spend precious cap space on Kaberle? Only if they're trying to win 8-7 every night. NO

So there you have it, that's a capsule look at every team's situation for next season, and whether Tomas Kaberle could fit into that picture. By my count, half the league won't pick up the phone to call Burke, 12 teams would think about whether a deal works for them, and 2 teams would seriously consider it.

Now it's your turn to have your say. Have at it in the comments.

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Nice break-down….now I’ve got to scroll up and read

by WendelMadeMe on Apr 14, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

rec’d cuz its a hell of a lot of work…..good breakdown and seems like very few teams could actually use him.

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by LeafFan1989 on Apr 14, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Phoenix?

I don’t think so. We don’t want your garbage. Re-Signing everyone should bring us into cap compliance, and we may not be a cap floor team next year with Reinsdorf involved.

by canadaiscold on Apr 14, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

did you just call Kabba garbage? flagged.

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, well we don’t want your garbage either
so neeeeaaaaaah

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stemps was our “Garbage” who somehow managed to get a ridiculously high shooting percentage when he got to phoenix

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by LeafFan1989 on Apr 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

must be the lack of fans that make it seem like practice in Toronto

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by LeafFan1989 on Apr 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one in the western conference realized that a ninja was playing for phoenix. they had no idea he was even scoring goals.

in toronto… we cant keep anything a secret

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 14, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean

Like Lee Stempniak?

Yeah, you wouldn’t want to make any more trades like that.

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by Archimedies on Apr 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I’d trade with Buffalo. They seem pretty savvy.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I like this rebuttal because it also makes fun of Montreal.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint: Dominic Moore for a 2nd round pick.

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by jrwendelman on Apr 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

way to notice 6 days later

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by Karina on Apr 20, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless their first or Luke Adam is coming back, I want no part of a buffalo deal

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

tyler myers!

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 14, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i bet he wants to play with Schenn again!

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

WIth his Vezina credentials, Myers might help to solidify the Leafs’ goaltending situation.

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by mf37 on Apr 14, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we’ve really been weak there, since Ian White was traded.

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by JP Nikota on Apr 14, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is some outstanding work. I don’t really know other teams enough to question your analysis of needs, so if we look just at Buffalo and Dallas and assume we’d want a Top 6 forward/prospect:

Buffalo: don’t see anything there I’d want other than Derek Roy, whom Kabs would never land given how good and cheap Roy is. Vanek and Pominville are both good but those contracts are not. I’m not aware of any forward prospects of note.

Dallas: Eriksson and Neal are the obvious prizes here, but again Kabs isn’t worth that much.

Bottom line, I’m consigning myself to expecting no better than a late 1st/early 2nd plus maybe a fringe prospect.

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Mid first good prospect is my feeling.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that an “and” or an “or” implied between “mid first” and “good prospect”?

If you’re saying “and” I’d be nominating Burke for Sainthood; “or” I’d still be happy.

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is absolutely no reason that we can’t get about the same value for Kaberle that Buffalo got for Brian Campbell.

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by JP Nikota on Apr 14, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Campbell was more highly regarded then than Kaberle is now. No one would think of signing Kabs to a $7MM deal. Back then at least one team did for Campbell (and OK, maybe it was only one team).

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s true. Kaberle’s $4.25MM is waaaaaay under market value. He’d be a fine player at $5.5MM on a good team, it’s not crazy to think some GM offers six and then you’re not that far.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends what he does next season. If he throws up 50 points, he’ll get 6mill

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by clrkaitken on Apr 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh he’s going to put up 50 points, EASY. He’s going to a playoff team, where there is a power play that works SOME of the time. Absolutely no problem there.

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by JP Nikota on Apr 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell, he did 49 points on the 30th place leafs PP

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

And even if he goes to some defensive team that doesn’t use him to his full offensive potential, the improvement that we’ll see in his defensive stats will totally counter-balance any loss in production – which really should be nil, given how bad our team was this year.

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by JP Nikota on Apr 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chemmy, are you pulling an “mc79 on Ethan Moreau”, totalling pimping a guy you hate to boost his trade value?

I will make a bold prediction that Kaberle’s next contract is for less than his current one.

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will humbly disagree with you but for one caveat – if he signs with the Leafs that just may happen.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 15, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see why Kabby would sign for below market without an NTC. I certainly wouldn’t.

And we know Burke isn’t doing NTCs.

It will be very interesting to see what Kabs fetches. I think a very wide range is in play.

by The '67 Sound on Apr 15, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work!

I asked if some one would prepare this kind of analysis about a week ago. Saved me the trouble of trying to figure it all out myself.

Respect for including Cam Fowler as a Boston’s prospect haha

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

And I was waiting for someone to notice the Fowler thing

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by clrkaitken on Apr 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really can’t see the Canucks making a move for Kaberle, they already have an incredibly soft defense, and he’d just make them even softer. Still… Hodgson isn’t playing for their AHL team in the playoffs due to more “back issues” so I’d be in favour of it if he was included in the deal.

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Despite the rumours of Hodgson being available, I think that we have a better shot at getting our own 1st round pick back from Boston than getting Hodgson.

(this should be read as: No chance at all)

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m really starting to think he’s available at the right price. There’s some really weird stuff going on.

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the D they have can’t move the puck to save their lives. That was a big reason they couldn’t handle Chicago’s forwards.

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by PPP on Apr 14, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

for whatever reason, i can easily imagine kaberle in a vancouver jersey….. maybe its because mats went

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s why they got Ehrhoff, who’s skill set is quite similar to Kaberle’s.

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a great start.

My feeling is, based on absolutely nothing, Kaberle is likely going to go to a playoff team that needs a little bit of scoring from the back end to get to the next level.

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by mf37 on Apr 14, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

This is my thinking too, because Kaberle is really a luxury that a rebuilding team can’t afford. Which is why he’s available in the first place.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 14, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats why I think Jersey is the most likely destination, should Martin walk and Kovy not break the bank that is
but then they dont have a first rounder

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes me wonder if Burke would take a 1st in next year's draft.

The thing is, the time it takes to properly develop said player and bring him into the fold may not coincide with the timing that Burke in mind has for being competitive. Of course, that is not to say that Burke isn’t planning to have talented players after the Kessel contract expires, but he definitely wants good players sooner rather than later.

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by JP Nikota on Apr 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

depending on the team he might take next years 1st, if he thinks there is a good chance of it being top 10

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

But between a first this year and an equivalent first next year + an OK prospect, I wonder what he’d go for. Obviously, his decision would hinge on the quality of the prospect, so I guess my question is: how good a prospect (in this particular example) would it take to make Burke wait an extra year for development?

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by JP Nikota on Apr 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

how sweet would it be to acquire someone elses pick and have it end up being a lotto pick.

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 15, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Bostone D Prospects: Cam Fowler”
nice

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I should read through first

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done. I’m thinking this post will be referred to a few times over the summer.

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

This is an interesting post.

Glad that you’ve done this, because most of us have thought about this exact question, and have just been too lazy to look into it any further.

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by JP Nikota on Apr 14, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember of course that the Leafs are willing to take salary. If a team has dead weight they need to clear to grab Kaberle we’ll take it.

Something like 1st + good prospect + 2nd + bad salary for Kaberle.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s a good point Chemmy.

Edmonton has a boatload of bad contracts they need to get out from under and they’re likely to deal Souray this summer, creating an opening for a bit of offense on the back end.

I wonder what Quinn would have to say about a Kaberle reunion?

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by mf37 on Apr 14, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think teams are more willing to move bad salary as part of a larger trade. Say Kaberle’s valued at a 1st and a decent prospect. Teams are likely to bump that prospect and throw in another pick, the old upsell.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well its what do the oilers have that they would be willing to part with that the Leafs would want
their first is definitely off the table, i doubt they would move MSP or Eberle
maybe a riley nash plus their 2nd and a bad contract?

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Nash has signed a contract with Edmonton yet. There’s been some chatter that he won’t remain in EDM.

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by mf37 on Apr 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, well other then the other aformentioned prospects they dont really have anything in the pipe that interests me all that much
Sam Gagne is pretty good, but small and soft

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cogliano, Moreau and a first?

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

throw in their 2nd and they can have a couple of our 7ths

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Horcoff would be the big contract they’d like to shed. Maybe Moreau too, although he’s only carrying a $2M cap hit.

Here’s a good list of top Oilers prospects

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by mf37 on Apr 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wideman? Ryder?

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler, Ryder leafs 2nd bostons 1st

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deal.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would we really need to take Wheeler and Ryder? Who are they a clear upgrade over?

I’d just take the picks frankly.

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHeeler has tons of potential and I think he could turn it around
Ryder would be the salary dump (one year at 4 mill) to get the leafs 2nd (32nd over all)

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Wheeler. I just think he doesn’t know how to use his talent. He passes waaaaaay to much for my liking though.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t Wheeler being shopped? And didn’t he sign with Boston because he is boys with Kessel?

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes and yes

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

he can also do this

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was pretty awesome :)

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s an upgrade over Wallin or JFM i’d take him.

Keep Kessel happy. Last thing we need is having a disgruntled superstar.

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda. I don’t remeber him being shopped. I’ve heard rumors about him signing beacuse of Kessel, it could very well be true.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler is a 2nd-3rd liner. We have a bunch of those guys (or guys who project that way) already. Stalberg, Hanson, Caputi, DiDo, D’Amigo, D. Mitchell… our guys are just 1-3 yrs behind the developmental curve. Why block them with a much more expensive guy when next year should be a building year anyway?

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

because im pretty sure Kabby wont be able to get much better

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I’d rather take the picks or prospects. Forget established NHLers since we’re not landing a Top 3 guy.

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but out of Boston, the only prospect that interests me is colbourn, and I dont see them moving him

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

marchand and boychuck are pretty good

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marchand would perk up my ears, but im wary of boychuck

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 15, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, only really watched him against toronto this year and he played us hard. not sure how good of a year he had overall

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are NOT getting Boychuk.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 15, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love Kaberle. What are the Leafs looking for? (No, not the draft pick :) )

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Blake Wheeler, the leafs 2nd back and your 2nd

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t do that even if I knew Kaberle walked as a UFA.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charelli would. He has this weird thing with Kaberle, he really wants him. He almost traded Kessel for him back at the draft. Thank God he didnt, the Bruins are gonna get a better player.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Bruins would have Kaberle and Kadri (or MSP who i think they would have grabbed) instead of Seguin/Hall

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blake Wheeler blows.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t go that far. He’s still young.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

buh-looooows

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, no. I think he has talent, but doesnt know how to use it. Think, JD Drew.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

BA-LOWS

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by PPP on Apr 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

JD Drew knows how to use his talent.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh. I like Drew, many people don’t. I feel the same way about Wheeler.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love JD Drew. He’s a lot better at baseball than Wheeler is at hockey.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Just demenor wise.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler’s a fifth overall pick who’s 24, 6’5" doesn’t hit and is a 20 goal scorer. He’s an arbitration eligible RFA this summer already earning almost $3M.

No thanks.

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by Chemmy on Apr 14, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine then
Colbourn and the leafs 2nd

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’ll even take ryder if you throw in your 2nd!

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmmm. Ok.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree Wheeler should hit more. Almost like an overgrown Miro Satan.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cap hit was just under $3m last season, but that included bonuses. ($820,000 without)

His next contract won’t have performance bonuses, and do we really think he’ll get a $3m contract based on those stats?

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

whose? Ryder?

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blake Wheeler as per capgeek

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa, i did not relize Wheeler was making that much.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

EL contracts are a bitch.

Taylor Hall will be $3m too next year too if he makes the squad by the way. And you can’t use the performance bonus cushion in a year before a new CBA agreement.

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hall will be worth it. Wheeler is not worth $3 mm. $2 mm maybe, but not 3.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saying, Boston isn’t in the greatest place either for cap space, 7+ RFAs to re-sign + 3m for Taylor Hall, and you’ve already committed $50m to 16 players.

Going to be an interesting off-season for a number of teams methinks.

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should be, especally with stuart, Seidenberg, and Boychuk must-resigns. I’d like to keep Recchi too.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recchi should be dirt cheap

He is going to be a ? every season considering retirement. I can’t see him going anywhere else though. It is either Boston or retire.

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martin St Louis

Wants out of Tampa Bay.

Cap hit of 5.2

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by Archimedies on Apr 14, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d hit that

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

too old

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comes off the books

in 10/11

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by Archimedies on Apr 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

er

AFTER the 10/11 season.

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by Archimedies on Apr 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

does he have an NTC or NMC at all?

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't tell you

I just got an email passed along to me that he wants to play elsewhere.

“For a winner” it says.

Not sure how this applies to us, but a guy can dream.

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by Archimedies on Apr 14, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I saw a post on Kuklas’ about that. The “for a winner” is why I asked about NTC. To capgeek!

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

he has an NTC

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

St Louis on crosbys wing….yikes

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

book it

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by Karina on Apr 14, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa, before we shoot this down...

s-o-m-e-t-h-i-n-g has got to give in TB, hmm, Vinny? blockbuster Kabba, Bozak, and The Human Eraser for Stamkos?
there are wierd rumors out there that things are not well in the Bay.

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by Maniel Darois on Apr 14, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I’d trade our whole team for Stamkos.

Unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to happen.

by The '67 Sound on Apr 14, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

also NO to that trade
I will take two cap friendly kids in Bozak and Schenn over Vinny and his back breaker contract
dude is on the hook for a 7,7 cap hit till 2020

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

he said for stamkos

Leafs season is over, no first round pick. Time get my fill of lose from the Jays.

by AkiSchennberg on Apr 15, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

i love love love Bozak

and I’d pack his bags personally if it meant the Leafs got Stamkos in return

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by blurr1974 on Apr 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I misread, Stamkos, in a micro

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

sooooooooooooooo good though

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

St Louis – Bozak – Kessel

oh yeah

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUT what would he cost us

Too much methinks.

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably, and he would be a closer to finished piece to add with his age and all that

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Tamp deals St.Louis for Kaberle.

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by bestbostonsports on Apr 14, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post

I’d love to see James Neal in Blue and White, he’s from Durham and is exactly the type of player we need.

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by AkiSchennberg on Apr 14, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Ain't happening

I can’t see them moving Neal, Lehtonen (b/c he was just traded for), Robidas, Erickson, or Grossman

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me thinks Morrow would be a good piece

And coming off a bad season. Me likes…The only thing is he is there captain and I think they (the fans at least) really like him

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously doubt we’d get Morrow out of Dallas, though maybe if we through in a prospect/young gun like hanson with kaberle.. at which point i don’t think it’s worth it for us

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by AkiSchennberg on Apr 15, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's coming off a pretty bad season

But I am probably just dreaming anyway…

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Leafs could use a good Thomas Kaberle. Not the one whos playing right now.

by BlindSight on Apr 15, 2010 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I was hoping I'd be the first to notice the Fowler thing

Stupid studying distracting me while others got here first!

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Phoenix

Seems to be doing fine in the offensive D-Man department. They need forwards. Their % of offense coming from D must be off the charts

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking last night that Kaberle belongs a puck posession team. Or at least a team that wants to be a puck posession team but can’t be right now because of the lack of a great puck moving defenseman.
The Sabres seem to fit the bill, there.

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by Karina on Apr 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

As you can see I just don’t know much about Buffalo.

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding though

Is that they seem to have a really good Goalie prospect they are probably looking at moving. Jonas Enroth or something like that.

There sure are a lot of G prospects that will probably be moving soon (stuck behind great starters). Off the top of my head there is him, Harding, and Schneider. On the other hand look at Rask stealing it from Thomas this year (I always thought it was kinda ridiculous to give a big contract to a guy who’s career year was in his mid-30s)

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke Adam and their first
signed sealed delivered

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 15, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

His numbers made me look at stefanovich

And I realized that Stefanovich got the Q Top draft prospect in ’08. HOw did we get him in the 4 th round?

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

 terrible work ethic and enigmatic personality

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude is crazy skilled though, if he had kadri’s drive he’d be on the Leafs 1st line next year

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The risk with so many of these European guys…

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by clrkaitken on Apr 15, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

over 40 goals in 65 games

Even in the high scoring Q, I loves it.

From what I hear, he is assumed to be on the AHL next year and fighting for a spot.

I hope he pans out…

by BCapp on Apr 15, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, as an over ager he has to make the marlies or go to the ECHL I think

he really should have stuck with the marlies last season, but whatever

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 15, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably got pushed out with all of the College kids taking the top spots down there.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 15, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that and, from what I heard, he was playing with no drive and floating a lot

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 15, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

congrats on the Cougar hit, btw

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 15, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. I saw him with the Marlies when they came over here. He didn’t look good at all. At the time I said there was a possibility he’d go back to junior. Right now, I think he’s a pipe dream. I would like to be wrong, but I don’t think he’ll ever suit up for the Leafs.

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by article1 on Apr 16, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great work.

I imagine Burke has Nieuwendyk’s number on speed dial…

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Unfortunately, Burke’s still on hold with Chiarelli.

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Damn that Chiarelli!

Doesn’t Burke have another cell phone or something?

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by stucky on Apr 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get the man a second line! I don’t care if it breaks the pension plan budget!

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by Wan Ihite on Apr 21, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

My men’s league rec team could use Kaberle

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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 15, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

do you have a 1st round pick to offer us?

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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 15, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kabs to the West...

Kaberle will never be traded anywhere in the east. Its not Burke’s style, plus we don’t want to play someone like Kaberle 3-5 times a season.

Out west, the bottom feeders of the PP were Phoenix, Calgary, Nashville and St. Louis. Calgary won’t want to return our calls, and Nashville is out of the running, which leaves Phoenix and St. Louis. I also could see Dallas or Minni get mixed up in this. I think at the end of the day, Burke won’t be able to get a 1st and top 6/prospect. He will have to choose, and unless he can draft an immediate impact player, he might just go the top 6 route, and have to pay a little extra (mid level draft pick) to get it.

by snatch on Apr 17, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

If Darryl Sutter isn’t fired, don’t count out Calgary.

I really don’t think it would happen, but Sutter has made stranger decisions.

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by stucky on Apr 19, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

For Eyebeleaf and Blurr

Why isn’t Toronto on this list?

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 17, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m pretty sure it’s logically impossible to trade Tomas Kaberle from Toronto to Toronto, and the fanpost discusses possible places he could be traded to. So, yeah..

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by clrkaitken on Apr 17, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus we’d want their first, and they already traded it to Boston.

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 17, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

guess you missed the tongue-in-cheek

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 18, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if one of your criteria is “available cap space,” you’re assuming we’re not getting a top 3/6 forward back (in which case we’d be probably taking back at least as much as we were sending)? They only need cap space if we’re taking no salary back (i.e., picks & non-bonus-laden-prospects).

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by Wan Ihite on Apr 18, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody is probably reading this anymore but...

Hockey’s future is releasing their analysis of team’s prospect pools.

Dallas is rated 29th, and while Buffalo is above average (13th), their forward pool is not deep. They have Ennis, Luke Adam, and Z. Kassian.

Ennis is probably untouchable the way he is playing, and with their lack of grit I can’t imagine them moving Kassian. I know Jared has a hard-on for Luke Adam, but do we really think they would move him, with so little beyond those three?

by BCapp on Apr 19, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Buffalo even trades. Ever.

Their whole M.O. is developing from within. I really don’t see Burkey trading Kabs within the division either.

I’m looking forward to Weds when Hockey’s future releases 1-10. (We’re on there somewhere!)
I’m assuming they still consider Bozak, Hansen, Stalberg, and Gunnarsson prospects though. (maybe even Gustavsson still)

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 19, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think burke gives a rats ass who he trades with (see Kessel deal) he will trade who ever to whoever as long as the price is right
saying that, I dont think the Sabres will pay the pricetag

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 19, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke Adam 56games – 49 goals – 90 points – 75 PIM
I know its the Q, but Schwing!

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 19, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it all back. The Canucks need Kaberle to QB their PP.

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by Karina on Apr 20, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Raymond, Shirokov and their 1st and its’ done.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 20, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

throw in Hodgeson, just to piss off nucks fans,
then we can flip him for something else, just to piss off nucks fans

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 20, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vancouver won’t give up Hodgson.

Raymond’s a very good-third liner, Shirokov is Jiri Tlusty West, and Vancouver’s pick will be around #20. That’s a pretty fair deal for Kaberle.

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by clrkaitken on Apr 20, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was kidding of course, switch Grabner for Raymond and I do it, I have no interest at all in Raymond for some inexplicable reason

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 20, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we get Raymond Burke won’t feel compelled to overpay Colby Armstrong or Raffi Torres

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by clrkaitken on Apr 20, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair point
I’d still rather get top 6 talent though

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 20, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raymond’s played 2nd line minutes all year and scored 25 goals

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by Karina on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but he bothers me

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

why? I’d prefer Grabner too, and I think Gillis would more readily package him than Mason, but I wouldn’t mind one or the other.

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by Karina on Apr 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea why, he just does

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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him.

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not Edmonton? They clearly need some defence, Kaberle is a favorite of current coach Pat Quinn, I’d say add one of those other “young D” prospects to the package, we get the number 1 overall pick….

I know I’m dreaming, but seriously don’t you think Burkie was salivating over this possibility…. Any one else??? I am.

by jimmyvan17 on Apr 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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by PPP on Apr 21, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would certainly be good for us, i don’t really see any appeal for Edmonton. They already have a (now disgruntled) offensive defensemen in Souray, and they are in full rebuild mode like the Leafs. A great puck-moving D-man like Tomas is more likely to head to a contender or some one close to contending.

I don’t see Edmonton giving up any of their awesome prospects (Which includes Taylor Hall/Tyler Seguin)

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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 21, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edmonton’s weakness is defense right? Why would they need a defenseman who can’t play defense

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