The 5 Reasons I love hockey
The deadline to write a fan post about this ended on Tuesday, but I thought you all might still like to read my 5 reasons. I think #5 is unique to me! If you don't really care about this, just scroll down and click the jump to read today's links.
5. Hot, Sweaty, Sexy men: This one ranks lowest to me because, well, I'm a bit ashamed of it. But it's still there - I find men in hockey gear to be extremely sexy. When I first started dating my now-husband, I went to see him play a game and he was decked out in full Washington Capitals gear (the old style eagle jersey) and pleasantly reminded me of a young Pronger, and I was hooked. Things like the cover of Men's Fitness featuring Mike Modano , Markus Naslund in an ad for Harry Rosen and well, pretty much any picture of Vincent Lecavalier get me excited. Especially so when they can go out on the ice and look just as sexy scoring a goal.
4. Athleticism and Speed: When I was much younger, I was a baseball fan. My brother played baseball, my dad coached baseball, and by the time I was 6 I could list off stats and knew every single phrase involved in baseball. I lived and died by the Jays. And then they had a lockout, which gave me time away from baseball to find other sports. And I never went back once I found hockey. When the NHL had their lockout, I found other sports too - but it wasn't the same. The athleticism and speed in hockey far surpass any other sport and a year without it was hard. Once it came back, I embraced it like never before.
3. Sibling Bond: My love of baseball was really rooted in it being my brother's primary sport, but I was very lucky that he was also a Leafs fan. At first, I would watch Leaf games with him just to be with him - I didn't really know what was going on, nor did I care. But that time with him was great - neither my dad nor my other brother really cared that much, and my mom certainly didn't - so Leafs games were time that my favourite brother and I spent together. This effect slowly made the Leafs more and more important to me, leading to me loving hockey in general. As an interesting aside, my neice loves watching hockey with me for the sole reason that it is with me, so I am confident that I can translate a love of hockey to her, as well.
2. Regional Pride: As I mentioned above, I really embraced hockey post-lockout. Prior to that, I had mostly been a fringe fan, paying some attention during the regular season, and full on bandwagoning during the playoffs. In university, I started to get more into it, but my 4th year was the lockout year when I realized I really missed hockey and that I wanted to know more, everything I could, about it. It became a running joke among my friends after graduation that my secondary career would be a sportscaster, because I suddenly knew more about hockey than everyone else. Then, I moved out to Vancouver and began to embrace the Leafs as a piece of my identity, and to do that I needed to learn still more about hockey. Facing fans of the Vancouver Canucks on a daily basis, who had all inexplicably grown up hating the Leafs, they demanded that I defended my fandom at every turn. When I think back on it now, I wonder why, because now that I know the history of the Canucks franchise, I really should have been demanding they defend their fanhood, but despite that, me being proud of being from Ontario, and the GTA in particular, is one reason I really grew to love hockey.
1. Mats Sundin: There's not much to say about this one. I love Mats Sundin. Mats Sundin is really what made me fall in love with hockey. His power, dominance, how he could take over a game on what seemed like a whim. Seeing him out there, in the Leafs uniform, behind the net... it was magical. The calls to trade him made me sad, even though I saw the logic of the situation. Gillis' obscene offer of $10 million dollars a year for two years to play for the Canucks made me rage in a way I have rarely ever done. Seeing him put on a Canucks uniform broke my heart. The only benefit to that was that it finally gave me the opportunity to see him play in real life. I was at one of his first games as a Canuck, against the Phoenix Coyotes. If I remember right, the Canucks lost, and Sundin looked old and slow out there. But it didn't matter, I finally saw my Mats play in person. I'll forever be indebted to him for showing me how beautiful hockey can be when played by the best.
Well now that I'm done with that, here are your links!
- USA Hockey to honour Brendan Burke
USA Hockey has founded an internship in Brendan Burke's honour. - Maple Leaf media memories
Louis Cauz wrote in to Dave Shoalts to tell him what it was like to cover the Leafs back in 1967 - Leafs now guaranteed to finish bottom three
Mirtle tells us something that I think we've all known for a while... - Top 10: Games lost to injury
The Hockey News looks at which teams were hurt the most by injuries this season whether injuries effected their ability to make the playoffs. - The NHL’s top defensive defencemen
Mirtle took a look at the best defensive defensemen in the NHL. Unsurprisingly, there's not a single Leaf defensemen anywhere near the top 30 - but I do think you'll be surprised at the age of the top two defensemen. - As he retires from NHL, why we appreciated Keith Tkachuk
Keith Tkachuk announced last night that this year is his final season in the NHL, so Puck Daddy took a look at what he appreciated about Tkachuk. - Unlikely Hero Christensen Carries Rangers to Win
NHL fanhouse takes a look at last night's game. - Howie Meeker would like to do your taxes
Vintage Leafs has some new photos, starting with this timely one of Howie Meeker. - The MSM Vs. Blogger Debate AGAIN
TSM has his take on Eric Smith's blog about MSM vs. Bloggers. - Ignore the Ranger loss: Would you rather be a Flames’ fan?
Vintage Leaf Fans muses on last night's loss and takes a look at what Flames fans have to look forward to.
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I have a question: on capgeek.com it says that the Leafs will be over the salary cap by about 1.5M this year. How does that work? Is that just a glitch in their calculating system? Is there something in the CBA that allows a team to go over a certain amount, or a be over for a certain amount of time?
are they including bonuses or excluding them? because when I looked it appeared that they were below the cap.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 8, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
If you do the “daily tracker” feature it says they project to being $1.5m above. With one game left, I’m not sure how that wouldn’t be the case. I don’t know about bonuses. I thought they automatically counted because the CBA is not renewed? Or is that only for next season? Maybe that’s the thing.
by Leaf in Habland on Apr 8, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Link here to their calculations.
While I appreciate their efforts in keeping it up-to-date, there are a few things I question in terms of the final number
- Komisarek isn’t listed as on the IR at all
- I believe their “projected final” number is exactly that – an estimated projection based on average cap hit and # of days on the roster. I doubt the NHL would let us finish $1.5M over cap.
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I really enjoyed your 5 reasons. “Sibling bond” definitely resonated with me; my older brother is one of the main reasons I’m a Leafs lunatic today, and when I think about hockey, I think about him.
And, of course, that Mats Sundin guy. Best Leaf Ever.
Cheers.
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I agree
And, of course, that Mats Sundin guy. Best Leaf Ever.
:D
by Marc Pilgrim on Apr 8, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
DUH
The Flames have 4 more years and 14 million dollars to longer forward to with Matt Stajan as their #1 center.
so Leafs games were time that my favourite brother and I spent together.
I’m telling your other brother on you.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 8, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
he knows.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 8, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
nah
it’s not like that, but it is extremely difficult to explain
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I tell my sis she is my least favourite sibling all the time nut then she is my only one so it’s a tight race
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 8, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
My sister is definitely my favorite sibling but similarly she has pretty stiff competition from nobody else
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 8, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
my brothers are 8 and 11 years older than I am, and the one who is 11 years older than me basically spoiled me endlessly until I got married.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
my brother is 3 years older, and did basically the same thing.
that is, if by spoiled you mean tortured mercilessly
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by blurr1974 on Apr 8, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I am the older brother.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 8, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too!
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if by tortured you mean
Buying gifts, taking you out past your curfew because if you were with him you wouldn’t get in trouble, taking me to concerts, theatre, offering to help pay for university, and telling all of his friends that you’re perfect, then sure, we have the exact same experience.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re missing this: 
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 8, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
anytime
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 8, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
my dad and I are hardcore leaf fans, my younger sister is my favourite and only sibling…yet she did not inherit the blue and white. Instead she cheers for the s*ns and Habs just to piss us off.
Younger siblings…they’ll do anything just to be different.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Those who say
“i hate the Leafs, they suck”
And I ask “so who do you cheer for?”
insert random team…..
I then ask them to name 6 players on that team, or where they are currently in the standings or how many games they watch a year…
They can’t answer the first two questions and answer less than 10 on the third, I tell them their opinion means shit because they aren’t hockey fans and are hating for hate’s sake – sad, sad people.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 8, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like you’ve spent time in Ottawa.
by general borschevsky on Apr 9, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I was lucky.
My first Leafs game I went to the Leafs lost to the Sens 8-0. That sucked.
My second Leafs game I bought an away Sundin jersey before the game started and immediately put it on. This game was against Ovechkin and the Caps so I didn’t expect much but in the last minute of play with the score tied 2-2 the Leafs go from end to end with a huge rush and Sundin scores the winner with 30 seconds left. Best moment ever. I <3 Mats and miss him every time I watch the Leafs.
Video of that goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHVanBPLyxA&playnext_from=TL&videos=_CNyfxo8CLY
I was in attendance at MSG for this late Sundin game winner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6cK1gQxpMo
When Ian White hit him with the home run pass I stood up with my arms over my head and Sundin buried it much to the chagrin of the Rangers fans all around me.
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Thing about Sundin is that you could usually count on him to bury those chances. We don’t really have someone who does that on the Leafs right now. Kessel needs to learn to take advantage of those chances because I dont think ive seen him score on a breakaway yet.
Phil Kessel ≠ Mats Sundin
Kessel’s good, Sundin was great. As eyebleaf succinctly reminds us all above; “Best Leaf Ever”
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by blurr1974 on Apr 8, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish we had them both
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 8, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
well ya
with a younger, healthier AlMo playing the other wing…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 8, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
and prime Potvin in the pipes
le sigh
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 8, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I miss Gary Roberts.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
funny thing about these "5 Reasons" posts
I agree with just about every single reason in every one of them. Oddly enough, Karin’as #5 doesn’t resonate with me so much…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 8, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
except for Luke Schenn of course
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 8, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
blurr would love some Schenn babies
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
like you wouldn’t…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 8, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
when they all turn pro, they could buy dear old dad a nice house
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
That’s my Freedom 55 plan
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by eyebleaf on Apr 8, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if its been talked about yet,
but the Toronto Maple Leafs of Calgary are officially elminated from the playoffs. Anyone got the over-under for when Sutter gets fired?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Which one?
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First one, then the other
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I’ll bet GM Sutter gets the can before May, and coach Sutter sometime around training camp.
I am the truculence that flaps in the night!
I say they both go at the end of the season. Why keep the coach when the GM’s gone? Playoffs start, end of the Sutter era in Calgary.
At least, that’s what I’d do if I was the owner.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
GUESS WHAT DAY SATURDAY IS?!?!??!?!
DANIEL ALFREDSSON DAYYYYYYY
….http://www.ottawacitizen.com/City+honour+Sens+captain+with+Daniel+Alfredsson/2777935/story.html
Sad news
I wish the Leafs would honour him before he dies.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
hard time reading these burns articles
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
holy crap I love commas
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
I used 7 in one sentence.
SEVEN
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I tended to use them a lot in my papers in undergrad; I’m not ready for this sentence to end dammit!!!
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
why is everyone so worked up after a couple of bad games? the team has played pretty well since the trade deadline and some players have shown some real promise. but they’ve apparently run out of gas / motivation. even great teams have off nights or bad stretches, certainly we shouldn’t be surprised that the youngest team in the league, eliminated from the playoffs, and playing teams that are fighting for a playoff spot, doesn’t look so great. (that last sentence, and it’s gratuitous commas, is for you Karina).
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
is someone worked up?
I’m not. None of this matters.
Except my love for commas.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not you. there were some sour sallies after last night’s game though…
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Piss poor efforts over the last two games.
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If I were on the Leafs, I’d be thinking about my vacation, not the game last night.
It’s a job. They’ve checked out. I don’t blame em.
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if you don't blame them
for checking out, that’s pretty damn zen of you. It’s not far down that slippery slope to “oh, they lost, but they suck anyway, so i dont blame them. go flyers!”
I’m still bitter that despite the many downs and few ups of the year, we ended the season up exactly 1 spot from where I knew we would be after the 0-7 start — second to last, and facing the prospect of giving up up TWO lottery picks for the privilege of being so.
Every time they got close, with 1-2 points of moving up in the standings, they would shit the bed. Time and time again.
they got my hopes up, is all.
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ah
see I think I feel good because I didn’t watch.
Also, I’ve worked on being so mad after a Leafs loss because I see how mad my husband is after a Canucks loss, and it’s not worth it. Not when you know the team just isn’t up to par, at least.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The effort last night was pathetic. There have been some doozies this season, but I think last night takes the cake.
I am the truculence that flaps in the night!
We’re finishing 29th in the league no matter what. What would you try for?
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Why bother moving McCabe and Kubina if that’s going to be the team’s attitude?
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good point.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
why do anything? why trade for phaneuf? why jettison blake and toskalol?
the “oh who cares lets just play out the stretch in silence” is not exactly a good thing to endure.
this team owes us SOMETHING for the season we’ve endured, far and away the worst in my 20+ years as a Leaf fan
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this team has played well down the stretch (ie after the trade deadline). they had the best record in the east after the deadline going into saturday’s game against boston i believe. they’ve shown pretty consistent effort despite the fact they knew they were going to finish bottom 3. i’m not ready to give up hope on a bunch of young players that have showed plenty of promise because of a couple of crappy games.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Ignoring the purely philosophical debate over whether this team actually owes its fans anything, if the team owes us something then I would rather receive it next year.
Going out and curbstomping Montreal on Saturday really does nothing to placate me as a fan. It’s nice to beat a rival, but it doesn’t wash the stink of this season off, just because in a completely meaningless season finale you beat a team that will almost certainly be resting a few key players for the playoffs.
This season was an unmitigated disaster. There’s no other way to put it. Disaster. If these guys have any sort of pride in their livelihoods, they will spend this summer saying to themselves “There’s no effing way that is happening again.” That’s what this team owes its fans. The Leafs hit rock bottom this season; Now what are they going to do about it?
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by PPP on Apr 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont care about beating montreal
when it was still a mathematical possibility, i wanted to win because i wanted to finish as high as we could. i want to win every game regardless of standings.
before that i wanted to make the playoffs by going on a ridiculous 20-5 run.
yes, obviously i want to win next year. But winning as many games as we can NOW makes me more confident that will actually happen. Not to mention reduces the odds I have to spend the next 20 years hearing whoever replaces Damien Cox make hackneyed Tom Kurvers metaphors
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But if these guys have pride in their livelihoods it’s unlikely they’d mail in their last five games.
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Solid point as well
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Effort > Skill
Skill + Effort > Effort
Philly and the Rangers both showed up to play because their season was on the line.
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Except last night was Skill + Effort > Jonas Gustavsson
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You were there in person, and I didn’t watch it, so I’m in no position to argue.
How the team looks in Game 1 next season matters infinitely more to me than how they look in Game 81 of a clusterfuck of a season.
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I’m sure you got a fine view on TV. The Leafs gave up 14 shots in the first nine minutes.
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Last night was a bad bad game.
Given it’s better than an 8-0 loss to Ottawa but it was bad.
by BlindSight on Apr 8, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was in the second row.
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eh you get a mulligan
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’ve been at every Leafs game at MSG for the past four years so:
09-10: 7-2 L 5-1L
08-09: 0-1 SOL 3-2 OTW
07-08: 4-1 W 6-2 W
06-07: 2-1 W 7-2 L
4-3-1, except those three losses have been a combined 19-6.
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so you were actually doing ok prior to this year. shitty that you had to waste money on two stinkers like that.
i ended this year 4-4-1 at live games. 3 of the 4 regulation losses were one goal games (including the game in chicago), and besides the game against philly on tuesday, the only other game I went to that sucked was the 2nd game of the season against the sens (the infamous high stick + penalty shot game). of the four wins, i witnessed a toskala shutout (and bozak’s first nhl goal), a game where toskala and blake were the heroes (against the isle), and a shootout where the leafs scored on all three attempts. considering the team’s record this year, i actually lucked out pretty good i think.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
but you saw them beat the habs at the ACC on a saturday night. that offsets the other 3 a little bit, no?
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I would have blown up a building if they had gone 0-4.
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i wouldn’t blame you.
what was the 4th game? it wasn’t that sunday afternoon one against the isle was it??
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
that was kind of a stinker too, no? leafs only scored with a couple minutes left?
maybe you should only come to games in Toronto from now on.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I wouldn’t have gone last night except the tickets were a gift.
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Probably going to talk about it in the podcast tonight: almost no Leafs fans at MSG last night.
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Normally there are tons of Leafs fans, at least 20 in any section.
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defensive defensemen
is noone else surprised that Marc Staal, at 23 years old, tops this list??? And Roman Polak of the Blues at #2?
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
Staal played an entire WJHC without a goal scored against him at EV. I am not too surprised that he’s hit that threshold. He’s been in the league a while now too.
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I think Staal’s an excellent defensemen, but I never would’ve guessed top in the league. He gets no press at all.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet NYR likes it that way. Keep him below the radar.
Excellent young player.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 8, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
with all the crap the team’s going through, it’s probably the best for them
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 8, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierre LeBrun talked to Doug Gilmour about Pat Burns. Good story.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
From said article
“He always deflected any issue away from us,” said Gilmour. “When he talked to you guys [the media], he always put it on himself. He never pinpointed anybody, he never blamed anybody. He really took care of his players. You guys saw how he was with his hard-ass side, but away from that, he wasn’t like that. He’s just a great guy.”
I know the Leafs sucked the past 2 years for sure. But maybe Ronnie Wilson could take a page out of Burns’ notebook here.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i just don’t like ron wilson. i laughed when they mentioned, during yesterdays games, that the last team to finish 30th in powerplay and pk were the ducks also under wilson. then i cried, because they were talking about the leafs and how much we suck.
by ShahofToronto on Apr 8, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the light at the end of the tunnel is very dim, but at least theres still light
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
I don’t like Ron Wilson much. I never did – going back to his SJ days. It’s his personality. I won’t bother to comment on what type of job he’s doing as coach of the Leafs – too much turnover and a couple of weak rosters.
He thinks too highly of himself. Bit of a pompus douchebag. 500 wins and no cups is great and all, but your shit smells too Ron. I wouldn’t want to play for him.
/ducks for cover
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no need to duck for cover
i’m very much inclined to agree. He has 500 coaching wins more than i ever will, but he’s the absolute embodiment of the “oh, if you’ve never played the game, you don’t understand” BS argument that I abhor from old school hockey guys.
I’m reminded of a basketball stat I love. Lenny Wilkens has more NBA wins than any other coach in NBA history. But he also has more losses than anyone else.
Longevity does not equal talent. The PK in particular is almost 100% coaching (and as we’ve learned, not having a sinkhole goalie helps) and they’re dead last in both.
If we get off to a start even approaching this year’s horrid start, I don’t see how there’s a way Wilson can still be coach by Christmas.
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i’m hoping we don’t have to wait that long.
by ShahofToronto on Apr 8, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
how is the coach of a team that missed the playoffs by a country mile both seasons he’s coach and nearly set a record of futility in a number of statistical categories allowed to walk around like he invented hockey.
Ok, i’m done ranting now. Bring on July 1st, because cuss if I’m paying attention to anything draft-related.
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Because our media sucks. When Ronnie rips on them they should go figure out why his PK stinks, compare it to other PKs, maybe talk to coaches with PK success. Instead they whine about Ronnie picking on them.
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by PPP on Apr 8, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
its not his media act that i dislike
if we got wins, i wouldnt mind if his pre-game ritual was to take a dump on my head and make howard berger eat it. IF HE GOT WINS.
Which he hasn’t. For well over 100 games as a Leaf coach now.
Dealing with the media is a side-product of being an NHL coach. I dont care how you motivate players and coach systems. Good cop, or bad cop, whatever works. Winning’s the thing.
But at some point, he’s out of excuses. If they’re much below 500 after, say, 20 games next year, i dont see how he cant take some blame. Special teams especially.
Wasn’t expecting to run into WIlson apologists so early after the season’s funeral
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I’m not being an apologist. I think Ronnie and his staff have some big flaws. I still have some faith because the team he inherited is basically gone and at least one aspect (the PK) has improved massively since the pretty big overhaul.
I imagine Burke will give him until Christmas to get going.
My point about the media was referring to your issue with Ronnie not getting called on his bullshit.
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by PPP on Apr 8, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
it's the players
or did you not realize the Leafs were this crappy…?
Take a look at the 2001/02-2005/06 Penguins. Guys like Lemieux, Kovalev, Gonchar, Crosby, Morozov, Malone etc. and their highest winning percentage was 0.421. That’s with 4 different coaches.
Wilson, with far, far, far (FAR) less talent has only two years in TO, and his lowest winning percentage is this season at 0.444.
But ya. Let’s fire him. It’s his fault the Leafs are an injury or two more away from being a complete AHL level team.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 8, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn’t Cujo have the most losses of any NHL goaltender in history?
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i hadn't heard taht
but i’d be surprised. He wasn’t an NHL regular until he was about 23 or 24 or, so i’d doubt he’d have played enough games
never mind the fact that he didn’t suck :)
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Nope it’s true…check the record books, like 4th in wins, 1st in loses or something like that
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s true. Most losses in NHL history.
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by PPP on Apr 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a fact – most career losses by a goaltender in league history. He had a great mask though.
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right you are
although he seems to be tied at 352 with Gump Worsley. At least if Wikipedia is to be believed.
that’s hilarious
A good PK is Club Truculence's cover charge
I mean it would make sense, it’s almost entirely “Burke’s team” now….Now it’s up to the coach to get results from the roster assembled by the GM. I think, If the Leafs play like dump next season, Burke will wait untill the offseason – give Wilson the full year to get results.
Maybe Ron’s 500 wins will change something with Burke’s roster next season
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think losing is a reason to fire a coach.
Losing because the team doesn’t look like they give a shit is.
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I don’t imagine Ron is long for the job if next season starts like this one.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 8, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t imagine Ron Burke is long for the job if next season starts like this one.
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Honestly if Burke doesn’t get two more years with this team I would consider giving up on the Leafs.
Seriously.
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Same, he’s a magician as far as I’m concerned. And our best hope right now at creating a contender.
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It’s not about my faith in Burke. It’s that constantly firing GMs for not seeing success is stupid if they can’t execute their full plan.
If Burke presented a five year plan to MLSE and at the end of year five had nothing to show for it then fine can him but realistically he came into a team with no assets at all. We’re an expansion draft team no questions.
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I imagine his leash is longer from MLSE. Remember, Ron wasn’t Burke’s hire, so he’ll go first. Unless you mean we lynch him.
Patience is something few Leaf fans truly comprehend.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 8, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I’m all for giving Burke multiple years to do as he pleases because I see the improvement and effort on his part. I believe that he is the guy that can turn this team into a winner. I just don’t think Ron Wilson will contribute anything to that. I just think he’s a bad coach. Its just opinion of course, and mine won’t have any bearing on what happens, until I buy the leafs. (I have been saving my spare change)
by ShahofToronto on Apr 8, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Ronnie was a good hire for where we were at. We needed a culture change and that was aided by Ron being a dick.
Now that most of the flotsam has been jettisoned I think we’ll need a change.
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I don’t think we need a change only because of the turnover that’s taken place this season.
If an entirely new batch of players doesn’t respond to Wilson next season and we suck just as badly, it’s time to reconsider Wilson’s place.
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It’s worth giving Ron Wilson a full season with a Burke compiled roster. That’s my take too.
And Burke should really be allowed the lenght of his contract to turn this team around.
I do think it’s more likely that both Wilson and Burke are allowed the length of their contracts to turn the team around
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The only coaching failure I’d hold against Wilson is the PP.
The PK and, to some extent, the Leafs W-L record is all on Toskala.
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the only reason I have a hard time being really upset with Wilson for the PP is that I suspect it’s a personell problem as well.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know about that. Kessel on the side wall hasn’t worked for 60 games and yet they’re still running it.
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What’s Kessel like in traffic?
Maybe they need to have Kessel move 15 feet to his left and try a cross-crease move.
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He doesn’t let people merge and never checks his blind spot.
Oh. You mean. Nevermind.
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by Chemmy on Apr 8, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Kessel seems to me to be a bit of a “rover” lately – he moves down to the net, behind the net, up to the point, wherever he feels like, really. It mostly looks like he has no idea what he’s doing. I suppose that would speak to a coaching problem though.
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by Karina on Apr 8, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they are just saying “do something different because eveything else isnt working”
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Also of note: replace Toskala’s .870 starts with a goaltender giving us a still crummy .895 and I bet we’re not handing Boston the second overall pick.
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So If a team finishes 29th, but gives a good effor every night, the coach keeps his job? Not often
It’s also not often that a team brings a consistent good effort every night, and finishes in 29th.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible teams have two choices, fire the coach, or fire the players. Most GMs don’t have the security or the stones to fire the players, so they fire the coach. Burke fired the players.
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he sure did.
And next season when it’s all his players, IF the team blows again – who’s head will roll?
…
wait for it
….
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Odds are the players again.
After the deadline, Burke was on McCown’s radio show, and he basically said: “I want 20 players who care about winning as much as I do, and I’m going to keep making moves until I find them.”
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It’s a hypothetical exercise, and pointless. I’ll just hope the Leafs do better next season.
I just don’t like Wilson. Never have. All coaching ability aside – I think he’s a smug prick.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say – If Burke completes 2 major overhaul’s of his roster in 2 seasons, I’ll be quite impressed.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If that team’s roster sucks, yes.
If the Penguins give “good effort” and lose every game no.
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I see where you are going with this.
If Burke can bring some talent to the table, and Wilson gets nothing out of them, then….
On the other hand, if the roster stands pat (doesn’t look like it will) then it’s out of Wilson’s hands, as its the players that suck.
hmmm…makes more sense that way.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The PK’s improvement since the deadline shows just how important personnel is. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit. The PP problems are a massive problem because in theory the talent is there.
Ron Wilson’s an asshole but frankly, I don’t know that having a soft touch would be helpful either. The media and fans aren’t going to ease up on the team so why should he handle them with kid gloves?
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by PPP on Apr 8, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I’m not really judging him as a coach just yet. A couple of really shitty opening day rosters. I’ll give him another flyer this season. The team sucks – but he likes to use the media as a tool a little too much i think. Anyways, I just think he’s a total asshole. he was in SJ with a good team, he was for Team USA this past February.
I wouldn’t want to play for him, or drink beers with him – knowwhatimsayin?
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
*I’ll give him another flyer this coming season
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that when he does take off the kid gloves the media blows it out proportion.
Remember when he got after Kessel in practice about only scoring once in 10 games? And Berger ran with it and it fueled talk radio for the whole afternoon.
As long as the media report like they’re high school girls gossipping about the cool kids, there’s no possible way for a coach of the Leafs to win.
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Fuck the media
I’d like to see Wilson and Burke take a 2 week hiatus from talking to the media. never gonna happen
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it would lead to 2 weeks of cheapshots because they won’t defend themselves.
MSM are cowards. The pen is mightier than the sword because you can’t fight back.
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Fuck ‘em. Let them take their cheap shots. I mean it’s Howard Berger – who really respects that guys work.
I’d see at as admirable, if done properly.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If we see a season next year that resembles the one we just witnessed this year, as in finishing 29th and giving boston a top 3 pick, do Wilson and Burke keep their jobs?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
depends on a lot of things, does the goaltending dig a hole they cant get out of? do the players mail it in? do injuries cripple the team?
if not, then probably wilson is gone
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 8, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Was gonna say, same thing.
Lawyer answer: It depends
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, i guess im too far ahead of myself already. Its hard to shake the doom and gloom right now…. the thought of being this bad again and giving boston another top 3 pick makes me sick to my stomach.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
No worries, I was getting ahead of myself a bit too.
I gotta think they’ll get better next season. I have too. For sheer sanity purposes. It can’t possibly be this bad again. I can’t see Burke letting it happen that way again. Just can’t. I think he learned a bit. The goaltending is evidently better and that’s a fine start.
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by MapleLeafMole on Apr 8, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the two biggest question marks going into this season were goaltending and the PK.
While neither appears to be spectacular, an upgrade to just “average” would likely yield much better results.
Challenge for next year will likely be supplemental scoring.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Apr 8, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a chance at knocking the Habs out of the playoffs.
If we win saturday, the rangers win both their final two games (one against Philly) and Philly wins their other game then the Habs don’t get in.
Actually all Philly needs is a point against the Rangers. Rangers and Philly play each other twice.
If Rangers win both, one in OT, Boston gets at least one more point, and we beat Habs, Habs are out.
6-Rangers 88 (39 wins)
7-Boston 88 (37 wins)
8-Philly 87 (40 wins)
9-Montreal 87 (39 wins)
Would be nice, haha.
by Leaf in Habland on Apr 9, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a long shot but there’s a chance for now…
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by PPP on Apr 9, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
With the way this year has gone
This could be our Stanley Cup
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Agreed
I want to continue to watch him score at a rediculous 2.5 PPG pace.
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