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Bad History and Bobby Orr

Bobby - you were this close to being a Leaf....

Aside from being absurdly busy on all fronts of late, I've also been struck by a case of writer's block about the size of my grandmother's old Pontiac Laurentian.  (For those who never heard of/saw such a car, they were stinkin' big.  Comfy, though.)

It's got to the point where if I don't break it with something, I have no idea when I'll write anything again.

I had started down the road of the great Leaf teams of the 1940s - the ones that set the standard for every champion between 1942 and 1967 - and how they came to be what they were.  I'll probably still tangle with that.  Just not yet.

Star-divide

I write about the things that I do for a number of reasons.  The first is that it's stuff that's of interest to me.  I like history in general, I like learning about the game of hockey, the people who were part of it, and what they were all about.  Whenever I do a post, I can pretty much guarantee there's something new I learned while researching it.  There are very few things I can do purely off the top of my head, so each post is a chance for me to learn something even as I present it.

The second is that it offers an opportunity to look at things a little differently.  If Luke Schenn is struggling early, I can write the 7000th post about it, or I can talk about Gary Nylund and tie it back.  There's very little under the sun that is truly new.  We can always look at how things went the last time around and see whether it relates to what we are seeing today.

The third is that I see no other team for whom history is so repeatedly abused as is that of the Leafs.  We, as fans, are continually beaten around the head with the history of this team, yet most of us don't really know it, and most of those who try to beat us with it really don't know it either, or at least don't really understand the things they do know.

One of the tendencies I find particulary galling is the out-of-context factoid - something that may be true in and of itself but would be seen rather differently in its original context.  Remember the bit in Leafs Abomination about the stupid Leafs failing to protect a 25-year-old Gerry Cheevers in the 1965 Intraleague draft?  About how they were so short-sighted they wouldn't hold on to a Hall-of-Famer because they'd have to expose one of their aging starters?  We dealt with that.  It sounds awful until you consider that a) those aging starters were the defending Vezina winners; b) Cheevers didn't establish himself as a regular until 1967-68, which would have left the Leafs with just half of an NHL tandem; c) they won the 1967 Stanley Cup on Sawchuk's wonky back; and d) other than 1969-70, no Leaf team struggled in net until 1972-73, by which time Cheevers had already bolted to the WHA.

At any rate, there's another one.  I've even mentioned it before, but I've never had the full text of the relevant letters available to me until now, so here it is.

If you don't know this, you should:

The Leafs had first crack at Bobby Orr, and turned him down sight unseen.

This isn't as bad as the Rangers, who actually had Gordie Howe in camp and told him he'd never make it in the NHL, but it's pretty damning.  The Leafs also had Brad Park in their back yard and managed to miss him, but Park was no Orr.  Try to imagine Bobby Orr making those dazzling rushes wearing blue and white.  How many more Cup banners would hang from the ACC?  How would Bruin fans deal with a drought stretching back to 1939?  How could the Leafs be so stupid?

Well, let's read the letters:

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Pretty harsh to see it in black and white, isn't it?  Should Bob Davidson's name be cast into the fires next to Pal Hal's?

I've long thought so, but let's try a little exercise.

First - read the first letter again, but this time, let's switch the name.  This letter stands out because we all know who Orr became.  But instead of Bobby Orr, let the name in the first letter read Melvin Klumpf, or something. 

In and of itself, is there anything remarkable about this letter?  It describes a 12-year-old kid from a backwater town playing against relatively nondescript opponents.  It says nothing about his play, what makes him remarkable and why it's so important to look at this kid three years early.  The system deals with kids of 14 or 15.  There is no mechanism for dealing with a boy of 12.

If you're the head scout of the Toronto Maple Leafs, what would you do with young Melvin Klumpf?  The letter itself doesn't really say a lot.  To me, whether I took it seriously would depend on a number of factors.  Who is A.A. Gilchrist?  Is he someone I've dealt with?  Does he have a good track record of finding talent?  Is he the boy who cried wolf?

More importantly, as Bob Davidson, how many of these letters do I get?  Is this one of one, one of ten, one of a thousand?  Does every parent with a kid who can skate send a letter to the Toronto Maple Leafs saying, "Come look at my boy?"  If you get a significant number of these, how can you possibly distinguish the one that you should be jumping at?  You can't possibly follow up on all of them.

Hindsight says the Leafs needed to take this letter seriously and move heaven and earth to get this kid under their control, and they didn't.  Hindsight, as always, is 20/20.  But in the spring of 1960, did this letter stand out in any way, shape or form?  Does anything say, "in this case, the normal rules don't apply?"

I find myself unable to really condemn Bob Davidson for this one.  Boston clued into Orr the same way the Leafs found Salming - by accident.  They were at a tournament to watch someone from Gananoque and their eyes bugged out at a player they'd never heard of.  They had a scout - Wren Blair - who then glued himself to the Orrs for years to make sure they'd sign once Bobby was ready.  The Leafs never saw Bobby Orr.  They simply got a letter saying "It might pay to have one of your men look him over" and didn't realize what it meant.  Them's just the breaks. 

Maybe now, though, if they get a letter addressed to "Brian Burk" containing a tip on some kid from a backwater third-tier college who the writer says is a combination Sidney Crosby/Nik Lidstrom, they'll take it seriously.

Or, more likely, they won't. 

Just don't let the bloody Bruins get him again, though.

h/t to Sports Card Forum, who had the images of the letters.

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Wow..I’ve never read about this situation the way you put it. it’s always been exagerated and damning of the Leafs.

You put it so…..rationally.

Weirdo.

by elseldo on May 10, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Great write up…Yeah I read about that little mis step a few years back… I think we can all sit back and thank our old pal “Punch” for this one… ok maybe it wasn’t all his fault but if your a GM you have to be in the know on all players you can pick up, and it would seem that by 1967 he was sure was letting his fair share slip by.

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by ScottLaScott on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d read the second letter all sorts of times. I’d never seen the full text of the first, and just couldn’t believe how weak it was.

The craziest thing the Leafs did in the late sixties was to sell off most of the farm system. The only explanation I can come up with is that Stafford/Pal Hal thought the entry draft was going to make their farm teams redundant.

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by 1967ers on May 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a function we can use to keep certain posts extremely handily available so the next time this topic comes up, we can link to it without having to do a search?
Because this would be the first one I’d use.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on May 10, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Stuff Once Again

I am spending my summer working in Parry Sound. Apparently there’s an A Gilcrest who lives around the corner from where I work, what are the odds it’s the same guy?

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on May 10, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Unlikely sir, as they spell and pronounce their names differently.

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by pevans on May 10, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a typo. It actually is A. Gilchrist.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on May 10, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’d have to be at least 70, probably more. That letter is 50 years old.

I’d bet on 80+.

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by 1967ers on May 10, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still possible. I’ll go knock on his door one day demanding an apology for creating the myth.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on May 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, go over and kick him in the Sami Salo for not being a little more persuasive…I don’t care if he is in his 80s.

by Paper Bag Leaf Fan on May 11, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a much more agreeable option.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on May 11, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys!

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 10, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Hush, you.

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by stucky on May 10, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fascinating read. Posts like these can be our own, Leaf-centric version of “Mythbusters”.

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on May 10, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

now when I picture him 1967ers will look like Jamie

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by JaredFromLondon on May 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

walrus moustache!!

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by Sergei Puckizin on May 10, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is adam? PPP or Chemmy? Maybe “Say plan the parade” or Forbes for old leafs fan crotchetiness?

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by Sergei Puckizin on May 10, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely Forbes

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on May 10, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, he doesnt strike me as wacky enough

I am definitely tory though

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by JaredFromLondon on May 10, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a bigger, cooler

version of Grant, except I can’t build robots…. yet.

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Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on May 10, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disclaimer*

*Being cooler than Grant is not that difficult

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on May 10, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, even 1967’ers is cooler than Grant!

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by Sergei Puckizin on May 10, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks?

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by 1967ers on May 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be Kari. Except if I was, you’d never see me because I wouldn’t leave my room.

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by Sergei Puckizin on May 10, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steve from Blues Clues might be the best approximation. That’s what my daughter used to think. I don’t really see it. Might just be mannerisms.

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by 1967ers on May 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is brilliant.

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by Karina on May 10, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I was thinking of “Memebusters” as a subject header for this place.

Seriously.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on May 10, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would make for a great series of posts.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on May 11, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a great idea

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on May 11, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good to me!

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on May 11, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 100 teams do the same thing 100 times in any given season.

And that’s really your best argument, if you feel inclined to argue the point with an idiot. Anyone hockey fan with half-a-brain should know better and can probably point out a similar situation related to their team.
If they can’t, send ’em back to study their own teams history before shoving yours down your throat.

Unless you’re talking to a 14 year-old who got the info second hand from his dad. In that case, save your breath and don’t take it personally…

BS

by MapleLeafMole on May 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

A similar story NOT about the Leafs:

Back in the late 70’s, my dad was a teacher at St. Mary’s College in Sault Ste. Marie, and on graduation day, the Detroit Red Wings staff would visit the school – lots of good players came out of this school, including Ron Francis, who my dad taught.

Pat Nardini was a Phys Ed teacher there at the school at this time, and in his day he was an industrial-league goalie. He knew hockey well enough, and obviously had seen some great talent walk through the Sault in those days.

So come a graduation day in the late 70’s, my dad is standing around listening to Pat Nardini yelling at the Detroit Red Wings scouting staff, Phil Esposito, and Ted Lindsay – and they were LAUGHING at him. Nardini just couldn’t believe they wouldn’t snap up this kid that he watched every game with the Greyhounds – Wayne Gretzky.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on May 10, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

this is spectacular

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by Karina on May 10, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like stories like this – esp when they are about the Red Wings.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on May 10, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don’t let the bloody Bruins get him again, though.

I can’t imagine how that would happen in the year 2010. (Sorry, low-hanging fruit.)

Anyway, I too love the history of the game, and I always enjoy getting the full story behind some weird little factoid that seemed impossible to believe. How could the Leafs have indeed been that stupid? It’s Bobby Fucking Orr! Except when you actually look at the primary sources, you realize that there’s not really anything remarkable about this situation, except for the fact that this particular kid turned out to actually be a generational talent, and not just the biggest fish in a small pond. Hindsight’s a bitch, but what can ya do?

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by Doogie2K on May 10, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

don’t hire JFJ for one

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by JaredFromLondon on May 10, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

HITMEN, FTW!!!1

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by Sergei Puckizin on May 10, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine how that would happen in the year 2010. (Sorry, low-hanging fruit.)

That’s why my example is a college kid…. :)

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by 1967ers on May 10, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orr rules

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by bestbostonsports on May 10, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

indeed he does

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on May 10, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a great book.

The complete first letter isn’t really shown in its entirety, though.

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by 1967ers on May 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even included as an appendix?
The historian in me is horrified by that.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on May 11, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key bits are there, but I find you really need the whole thing, including the typo, to get the proper sense of it.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on May 11, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

For sure. Seeing the whole letter gives you a much better sense of the tone of it.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on May 11, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great book.

Funny how nobody ever talks about the night Bobby went batshit on Charlie Conacher’s nephew. Sounded like a pretty thuggish scene. Almost to the point where it makes Quinn’s KO seem like more of a preemptive strike than a cheapshot.

Warning: Grammar and spell checking is foreign concepts to me...

by Peanut Butter Rally Time on May 10, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

If that story hasn’t already been part of a Leaf of the Day, it will be. I have Brian Conacher scanned.

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by 1967ers on May 10, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

www.nomoreorr.com

I can’t decide if that’s satire or if it’s meant to be on the level.

by The '67 Sound on May 11, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is crazy.

I think they’re serious. Did you see the adjusted stats thing? It doesn’t even say what it was adjusted for or how.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on May 11, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they’re serious, they’re stupid.

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by 1967ers on May 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the hate male is rather hilarious!

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by JaredFromLondon on May 11, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

adjusted to meet the speed and ability of players in todays game and the penalties for clutching and grabbing!

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by JaredFromLondon on May 11, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that

Following their argument to its conclusion, no one should ever be in the HOF because the next generation is always comprised of better athletes (a dubious claim given how well elite players can hold up over 20 year careers—are athletes better now than in the early 90s even though Lidstrom still rules?)

Dumb on so many levels I thought it had to be satire.

by The '67 Sound on May 11, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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