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How The Toronto Media Welcomed Past Captains

The naming of a captain for the Toronto Maple Leafs is, as Brian Burke noted, always a big deal. Despite the Harold Ballard years the Toronto Maple Leafs are still one of the NHL's most important franchises even if it's just for the financial support they provide the majority of the league. The process has become much more complicated than it was in the past. Coordinated press conferences featuring former players have replaced simply hanging a sweater with a freshly sewn 'C' in the new captain's stall.

What has been clear with the Maple Leafs' recent captains is that when the team was ready to name a captain there was little doubt who would earn the honour. In the case of Mats, Dougie, Wendel, and now Dion there was never any doubt that they, through their level of play and their personality, were the right men to lead the Toronto Maple Leafs and bear the burden (and lift) of wearing the 'C'. I don't think that it is controversial to say that all three immediate predecessors lived up to the raised expectations and provide excellent guides for Phaneuf during his term as captain.

After the jump, we'll look back at media coverage when Mats Sundin, Doug Gilmour, and Wendel Clark were named captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

A special, special thanks to Fergus30 for helping with the research without which this post would not have been possible.

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Dion Phaneuf - June 14, 2010

The appointment of Dion Phaneuf was obvious to one and all that were paying any attention to the Maple Leafs at the end of last season. For every anecdote/rumour that disparaged Phaneuf after his departure from Calgary we've been exposed to an anecdote about Phaneuf's leadership skills. Whether it's welcoming rookies like Luca Caputi to the team, barking at Brian Burke to get better players, or taking the lead on the team's music he's been a whirlwind during his time with the Maple Leafs.

Bkblades is bang on with his assessment of Dion Phaneuf's captaincy: he is a proxy for Brian Burke. Burke cannot be in there barking at the players to improve or pushing them all to improve but it sure looks like Phaneuf is the kind of guy that will push his style of play and desired culture on the rest of the club. 

The following excerpts certainly offer a different picture of the appointment: 

But whether Phaneuf gradually opens up more to the public over time won’t decide how he is perceived as a captain.

It will come down to how he plays individually and how the team performs. If he gets back to the Norris Trophy-calibre rearguard he was two years ago and the Leafs make the playoffs, he’ll be saluted as a great leader.

- Damien Cox, Toronto Star, Monday June 14, 2010

He’s not afraid of 10 seconds of silence while he mulls over his answer, and will just as often as not ask for some sort of clarification on the question. It was fitting that among all those who spoke at the formal part of his introduction as 18th captain of the Maple Leafs, he was the only one on the dais who spoke from a prepared statement.

In an all-chat all-the-time sporting landscape where people have little more to say than a vuvuzela, Phaneuf’s cerebral approach is refreshing.

- Kevin McGran, Toronto Star, Tuesday June 15, 2010

Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment killed three birds with one stone on Monday: naming Dion Phaneuf captain and reaching once again for its fans’ pockets by unveiling a new jersey for the diehards and launching a new dining establishment for swells on the west side of the Air Canada Centre – right across from Real Sports Apparel. One MLSE executive looked at all the gleaming metal in the bar and remarked the revenue generated might be akin to a 10-per-cent increase in attendance. He was smiling, as well he should: Happy hour never stops when you’re MLSE unless it comes to winning titles.

- Jeff Blair, Globe and Mail, Monday June 14, 2010

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Wendel Clark - August 8, 1991 

The interesting thing is that there were not any columns available. It was just straight reporting on Wendel's appointment as the 16th (or 14th depending on which paper you read) captain as well as the highest paid player in club history. Wendel's appointment to the captaincy was the logical conclusion to his voyage which started with being the first overall pick in the 1985 draft. While he had struggled with injuries over the previous three seasons Wendel was still undisputably the Maple Leafs' beating heart.

His first season was not quite the success he would have expected but the disappointment set the stage for the trade that would bring his successor to Toronto. The Globe PDF is great because you can also read about Kelly Gruber's impending book, a basebrawl at the Pan-Am Games, and the opening of the Team Canada training camp in Toronto.

You can read the full Toronto Star articles here or the Globe articles here.

The native of Kelvington, Sask., becomes the 16th captain in Leaf history. The low-key Clark, however, said he doesn't plan to do anything differently despite his change in status.

"Right now, I'll just go out and play it by ear and be the same person and do the same things I'm doing now," the six-year veteran said. "There's no reason to be changing anything."

Leaf head coach Tom Watt said he believed there were three main criteria for a team captain: He must have the respect of his teammates, maintain his composure under pressure and have a thorough knowledge of the rules. He said Clark qualified in all regards, particularly the first.

 - Randy Starkman, Toronto Star, August 8, 1991

Clark's signing has been one of Fletcher's main priorities since taking over the Leaf operation July 1 and it will finally put to rest the incessant rumors that Clark might jump to the Saskatoon franchise of the fledgling Continental Hockey Association.

The new deal would be a tremendous coup for Clark, a 24-year-old Kelvington, Sask., native who managed just 18 goals and 34 points in 63 games last season, but who is still regarded as the club's emotional catalyst.

 - Mark Harding, Toronto Star, August 8, 1991

"I think too much has been made about his back," said Toronto coach Tom Watt. "We have confidence in him for the captain has to be respected by his teammates as well as opponents. I feel Wendel will be a popular choice with the fans. I think they see him as a fellow who gives all he's got."

- David Naylor, Globe and Mail, August 9, 1991

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Doug Gilmour - August 18, 1994 

 Dougie was named captain as the league was on the verge of locking out it's players in a labour dispute. As with Phaneuf, his presentation came as he was flanked by former captains. The Leafs were coming off of back-to-back failures (ie Conference Final appearances) and the monumental Wendel Clark for Mats Sundin deal had been completed just two months prior. However, the magic was gone. The team had begun to be dismantled as Steve Stavro ran into financial difficulties and the quick decline would soon set the stage for one of the greatest players in franchise history to assume the captaincy.

At the time of the announcement Major League Baseball was in the midst of their disastrous strike, the English Premier League was on its way to leaving it's hooligan culture way behind as the Spion Kop was phased out, and friend of the site William Houston was reporting on Molson cheating the Maple Leafs in their television deal.

The full Toronto Star articles can be read here and the Globe page here.

Later, after all the hilarity had subsided, Gilmour said the additional shoulder embroidery won't suddenly cause him to alter his demeanour and become a "Ra-Ra" guy in the dressing room.

"My game consists of going out and working hard each and every night," said Gilmour, the Leafs' scoring leader last year now entering his 12th NHL season. "I'm not that vocal in the dressing room. At times you have to be at the right moment, but we have 20 other guys on that hockeyclub in the dressing room that are all character people who are going to have a chance to speak at certain times."

- Robert MacLeod, Globe and Mail, August 19, 1994

Yeah, it's corny. And we shouldn't look to athletes for heroic inspiration, or model behavior, or as substitute ideals for parents and teachers and wise counsellors.

But, if you were looking for admirable attributes in a jock, is there anyone more fitting than Gilmour, he of the satanic face and the angelic (off-ice) disposition, and the against-all-odds success? Gilmour willed himself into the National Hockey League, willed himself to superstar status, and damn near willed this Toronto club into the Stanley Cup finals for the last two seasons.

- Rosie DiManno, Toronto Star, August 18, 1994

One of these days, the Maple Leafs will get around to confirming something everybody has already figured out. Their somewhat redundant announcement will say Doug Gilmour has been appointed to succeed Wendel Clark and become the 15th captain in the team's 67- year history.

The decision, in the cards since Clark was traded in June, is what's now termed a no-brainer. This means the move is so obvious it requires no thought on the part of either Cliff Fletcher, the general manager, or coach Pat Burns. Where the dictionary defines captain, you will find a picture of Killer Gilmour.

- Jim Proudfoot, Toronto Star, August 3, 1994

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Mats Sundin - September 30, 1997 

Mats Sundin's tenure as captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs featured similar circumstances to those that Dion Phaneuf is currently facing. Aside from being the club (and the NHL's) first full-time European captain, the team was coming off of a disastrous season and a purge of veteran players. The obvious difference lies in the team's financial and managerial situation. While Ken Dryden and Mike Smith personified an inability to make a decision, Brian Burke has proven to be the complete opposite. Behind the bench Mats has Mike Murphy, the anti-Canucks conspirator, while Phaneuf has the benefit of a proven coach in Ron Wilson.  Not to mention that the Leafs' youth movement in 1997 was fuelled as much by Steve Stavro's continued problems as by the need to rebuild the team.

While he stepped into chaos he instantly provided the stability that the team was lacking. He would become a fixture in the Maple Leafs' record books over the next eleven seasons and an example of professionalism to every player that donned the blue and white. If Dion Phaneuf can have half of the impact that Sundin had on the club's history we're in for some very good seasons.

The full Toronto Star articles can be found here and they highlight just how dysfunctional the Dryden-Smith partnership really was. The first Globe page which features articles on the upcoming NHL participation in the Nagano Olympics and the impending Yankees World Series can be read here. The second page, found here, features Don Cherry's reaction to Mats' appointment "Way to go Mats" 

When the Leafs open the season tomorrow night against Washington, there could be as many as eight players in the lineup who weren't there when Toronto limped into an early spring after finishing 23rd over-all.

Take it a step further and you'll count 13 new faces from a year ago when then GM Cliff Fletcher predicted a 90-point season.

Falling 22 points short of that goal led to the new-look Leafs.

This group of 24 players, including one Czech, three Russians, three Swedes, and four Americans are younger, faster and more aggressive than the folks who wore Leaf jerseys in 1996-97.

Undoubtedly they will be more exciting; whether they prove any better remains to be seen.

- Alan Adams, Toronto Star, October 1, 1997 

Dryden said that naming a captain can be a destructive process if not done smoothly. He noted that when Jean Beliveau was named captain of the Montreal Canadiens, it left Boom Boom Geoffrion in a deep funk.

``These things have a way of resolving themselves,'' said Dryden. ``In terms of captaining, of leadership . . . it emerges. The answer becomes clear in watching, listening and feeling.''

Many in the organization, including Sundin, downplayed the issue yesterday, and Murphy said Wendel Clark would likely operate as an ``ad hoc'' captain. But Murphy maintained the official appointment is an important one.

``It's a symbol of your team,'' said Murphy. ``He has to be the guy who kind of becomes the conscience of your team.''

Sundin skated yesterday with wingers Derek King and Sergei Berezin.

- Damien Cox, Toronto Star, September 11, 1997

To the Maple Leafs, C doesn't signify captain. It stands for confused.

Moments after giving Mats Sundin another endorsement to fill his club's vacant captain's position yesterday, Toronto head coach Mike Murphy said it was ``absolutely'' possible no player would wear the C this season.

The hesitation in naming Sundin captain - an honor he both covets and deserves - fits the pattern of a Maple Leaf regime that earned a reputation for dithering over the summer. But it's a controversy Toronto doesn't need as Murphy tries to cobble together a cohesive unit during training camp.

- Paul Hunter, Paul Adams, Toronto Star, September 10, 1997 

The role of captain can best be compared to the role of governor-general of Canada. It's a nice title, you get to attend some dull parties in uncomfortable clothes, but ultimately it doesn't mean anything. Making any more out of it than that depends on the player.

"It's more of a ceremonial function, so that representative of the team is more visible," Leafs president Ken Dryden said. "The captain's role is, by definition, important. It can become very important depending on the captain. There have been important captains in the past and not-so-important captains. Mark Messier is obviously an important captain. Wayne Gretzky has been an important captain. Others pretty much just wear the C."

- Dave Shoalts, Globe and Mail, October 1, 1997

One final note, pretty funny to see the governor-general position have such a huge impact during the Prime Ministership of Stephen Harper.

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Jim Proudfoot deserves some sort of award for using “67” in a positive connotation while talking about the Leafs.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 16, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

The pieces by Rosie DiManno and Damien Cox are interesting for their positivity and straight fact reporting respectively.

It’s a style I’m not used to from either. Not to say Cox doesn’t use facts, but that his pieces feel more op-ed than news.

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jun 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a great post, nice work PPP and Fergus.

Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 16, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Not sure just how far Ferg’s archives go, but the interesting parallel would actually be Rob Ramage – the hard-nosed offensive d-man parachuted in from Calgary and appointed the captain after a two-or-three-year stretch without one.

Personally, I thought it worked – the first year, at least.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the dougie parallels better

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 16, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ramage being awesome after getting whacked in the eye and a lesson as to why the NHL is more careful with its microphones these days.

youtube link

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was excellent. 1:23 – “You can’t skate, you can’t do f**k all!”

by Bower Power on Jun 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll Check

It could make an addendum. Do you know what day he was named?

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by PPP on Jun 16, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would have been shortly before the start of the ’89-90 season.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Traded to the Leafs June 16, 1989. Could well have been named captain the same day. It was fast.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was named in Early September, I’ve found. I think PPP will write something on this later.

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by Fergus30 on Jun 16, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article

I had a lot of fun reading old articles about the Leafs in the Star archives.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 16, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Glad someone put this together. Rec'd.

I don’t know what it’s worth, but there definitely seems to be more hesitation from the media to praise Phaneuf than any of the others. I guess I wouldn’t put much stock in what say, Rosie Dimanno says anyway, but at least we can see that there was a difference in the way the new captains were received.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the parallel to Wendel
…a 24-year-old Kelvington, Sask., native who managed just 18 goals and 34 points in 63 games last season, but who is still regarded as the club’s emotional catalyst.

Replace the age, birthplace and point totals, and sounds a lot like Phaneuf.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

So basically, this is what is common between Wendel and Phaneuf:

regarded as the club’s emotional catalyst.

by Oafijev on Jun 16, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

AND both coming off what media perceived as “poor seasons”.

Young (24 vs 25), Western Canadian (Sask vs. Alb), poor season, emotional catalysts.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

What I really like about this is that we could do this for all sorts of things (Ferg has nothing else to do, right?).

What was said about Fraser in 1993?
What did they say about the Sundin deal?
What was the reaction after the passing of Ballard?
On and on and on.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I like your thinking.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Idea!

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by PPP on Jun 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which columnists thought that the acquisition of Mike Craig was a good idea?

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you have a chance to read the links they are talking about the arbitration for Mike Craig and how Mike Ridley (!) is going to give the Leafs’ depth at centre.

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by PPP on Jun 16, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah – the Ridley deal was supposed to be something special.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Ridley was good at the time. He did put some good numbers up in Washington.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah!

Let me see what I can pull up regarding these – I’ll look when I get home from work.

What would really make my job easier is to have specific dates surrounding all of these. Makes everything go quicker.

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by Fergus30 on Jun 16, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sundin pic made me lol

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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

great post

well done guys.

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by daoust on Jun 16, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Even though after all that Ms. Jean has done for Harper he decides to send her to the opposite side of the world as his representative, when any of his cronies could go on, her last Canada day. Oh and the Queen, her boss will be visiting on that Canada Day. What an absolute ass.

by BlindSight on Jun 16, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I would really hesitate to even hope that Dion lives up to half of what Mats’ did for the franchise. But I am extremely grateful that we have a player that is the unanimous choice for captain (at least, among sane people). Doesn’t mean he’s without his flaws, but it seems that Wendel was perceived to have some flaws as well when he was named captain.
I look forward to seeing the info on Ramage.

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by Karina on Jun 16, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s probably not that exciting. I think it was just taken as odd that this team that hadn’t had a captain since they took the C from Vaive (’86ish) suddenly had a captain that had never even played a shift in blue and white.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

it does seem like something the MSM would’ve been up in arms about.
I wonder how different the media was back then.

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by Karina on Jun 16, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was 19-odd years into the Ballard reign. Things got a Spockian eyebrow at best. :)

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love looking back through old articles/columns. You never know when something strange will jump out at you.

Like this:

Take it a step further and you’ll count 13 new faces from a year ago when then GM Cliff Fletcher predicted a 90-point season.
Hey, remember when a 90-point season was considered a good thing, not a bare minimum to even get into the playoff picture?

Ah, the integrity of the standings, how I’ve missed you.

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by Down Goes Brown on Jun 16, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Did you see where Fletcher predicted Mats could get 130-150 points?

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by PPP on Jun 16, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t have been unthinkable had scoring not gone into the toilet. He had that 114-point season as a kid.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrific post

It was fascinating to see the reactions and comments of those that were witnessing these historic announcements as they unfolded. I was very young when Dougie and Mats were named Captain and have no recollection of it, myself, so I really appreciated this.

by the cat's meow on Jun 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Same

I had no memory whatsoever so it was fun for me to read all of these articles.

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by PPP on Jun 16, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good post!

Wow…even in 1994 I hate Rosie DiManno… for those who dislike cox (and with good reason) she is worse. Except sometimes she tries to write on things even more above her league than hockey. The Star should have sent her to the ECHL a LONG time ago!

by Parkie10 on Jun 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

Rosie is the worst, but at least she doesn’t offer suggesions of what the Leafs should do to improve the team that are completely asinine (Sign Hamhuis and trade one of the defensemen we already have!). She just comments on players’ hair styles and stalks (stalked?) Mats Sundin.

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by Karina on Jun 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favourite was her comment on Dougie’s hair at the end of her article.

"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."

by Fergus30 on Jun 16, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

she tries too hard to write about hockey with some sort of literary genius. She also tries too hard to cover non-mainstream hockey topics like hair. I find her super annoying.

October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin

by Chuck Diesel on Jun 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

other tidbits

Clark’s record breaking salary was $550 000. That’s how much Tim Brent’s cap hit is if he’s called up.

Secondly, the quote which made me slightly angry and nauseous at the same time

Sundin skated yesterday with wingers Derek King and Sergei Berezin.

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by furcifer on Jun 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

lol, i saw that and thought poor mats. how he ever produced that consistently is still a mystery to me

by ShahofToronto on Jun 16, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Top 2 Leafs wingers post-Gilmour

97/98: Mike Johnson, Derek King
98/99: Steve Thomas (35 y.o.), Sergei Berezin
99/00: Steve Thomas (36), Jonas Hoglund
00/01: Gary Roberts (34 y.o.), Berezin
01/02: Darcy Tucker, Alex Mogilny (32 y.o.)
02/03: Mogilny (33), Nikolai Antropov
03/04: Roberts (37), Owen Nolan (31 y.o.)
05/06: Tucker, Alex Steen
06/07: Alexei Ponikarovsky, Tucker
07/08: Antropov, Jason Blake (33)

In other words, two past their prime stars (Mogilny and Roberts) and a big pile of “meh”. How he put up the numbers he did is amazing.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 16, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is even more horrible when laid out like that

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 16, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stumpy was still awesome, though.

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by 1967ers on Jun 16, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until the knee injuries, Nolan looked fantastic in blue and white.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 16, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

:(

/sigh

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by Karina on Jun 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that as well. When you hear the MSM here in toronto bash dumb leaf fans for obessing so much on line combinations in practice remember this is where it started.

The media became obsessed with the fact that Sundin didn’t have wingers and they started speculating who the coach would try with him for upcoming games. Hence the Sundin skated with …. (insert player) in practice became a regular feature in their reporting.

Fast forward 10 years later and it is now presented as if it iwas something that us mindless leaf fans came up with.

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by The Meatriarchy on Jun 16, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was great

Thanks guys, for the trip down memory lane.

I love you both.

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by eyebleaf on Jun 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

HUGS ALL AROUND

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by Fergus30 on Jun 16, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article. Fergus you’re a champ for going to the archives.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely

Fantastic job by both PPP and Fergus on the amalgamation on the use of resources and analysis. What a site.

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by bkblades on Jun 17, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

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